Phenom II info leaks out, AMD hints at something

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11-18-2008, 02:24 PM
Sparky

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

Yeah, although I wouldnt care about that too much though. With speeds like 3Ghz I think an unlocked multiplier isnt needed that much anymore. If it's there, cool, if it ain't then not.

You'd only need a HTT of 267Mhz to reach 4Ghz:rolleyes: Only thing to worry about is the motherboard allows good use of 8x multipliers for NB/HT (my motherboard didnt:shocked:).

And still Im wondering what FX will be about:p:

Well when I tinkered with a 9600BE (not my first one since it was borked) I couldn't really get anywhere with the HTT, had to use multi to do anything. But then, that was on SB600 and B2 too, could be different now.

Hmm, FX.... dual quad core CPUs overclocked to 4GHz... :slobber: I can dream right :D
11-18-2008, 02:43 PM
Shintai

The FX concept seems dead. And it still is for the 45nm. Hence the reason there is a BE.

The 940 BE is the top CPU in january. The 945 BE will follow later and be the top CPU until Q4 or longer.
11-18-2008, 02:48 PM
Sparky

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Originally Posted by Shintai

The FX concept seems dead. And it still is for the 45nm. Hence the reason there is a BE.

The 940 BE is the top CPU in january. The 945 BE will follow later and be the top CPU until Q4 or longer.

How do you know 945 BE is going to be top until Q4? Did I miss a chart, I didn't see any BE for AM3 :confused:
11-18-2008, 03:12 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

How do you know 945 BE is going to be top until Q4? Did I miss a chart, I didn't see any BE for AM3 :confused:

Me neither, could you please enlighten me Shintai?
I sure hope they won't kill the BE concept, but they probably wont unless they have the better performing CPUs and I don't see that happening for quite a while.
11-18-2008, 07:10 PM
lxq_ikrana

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

How do you know 945 BE is going to be top until Q4? Did I miss a chart, I didn't see any BE for AM3 :confused:

http://publish.it168.com/2008/1114/images/1237345.jpg

There. 945 on top until Q3 '09 at least.

Rest of those "leaked" slides are here:
11-18-2008, 07:15 PM
Sparky

Odd... no X2 3Q09? That doesn't seem to make sense.
11-18-2008, 07:24 PM
Bgriffs

http://publish.it168.com/2008/1114/images/1237347.jpg

That would be the slide with the proposed x2 chips for the next year.
11-18-2008, 07:28 PM
lxq_ikrana

btw, I just noticed, what's an athlon x2 5800 and 5400?

The athlon x2 brand is going to get sooo confusing.
5xxx/6xxx = A64
7xxx = Phenom
2xx = Phenom II
11-18-2008, 07:28 PM
Sparky

Ah ok. So, according to those, it looks like no Deneb/Propus based dual cores, and an ever-decreasing number of available K8 dual cores, all using DDR2? I thought it would make more sense to convert over to deneb/propus based dual cores and get everything on the same memory type and socket instead of being split between two types :shrug:
11-18-2008, 07:48 PM
lxq_ikrana

Things are going to get confusing... And what are they going to do with so many SKUs? Look at Q2. 28 SKUs? If the P2-940 is going to retail at around the $300 mark, that's a heck of a lot of cpus to put between $0 and $300, almost one for every 10$ :s
Thankfully at least there will be no AM3 boards until Q4 '08/H1 '09. I guess they will phase out good ol' K8 by then, so that there's no question of anyone trying to plug a K8 into an AM3 board.

edit : Actually it probably is $10/cpu, since I can't imagine a cpu selling for lower than 20-30$

Of course, maybe amd has an ace up it's sleeve and the performance of the P2-940 may propel it into higher territory.
11-18-2008, 08:01 PM
Apokalipse

Maybe if Deneb turns out to be great enough, we'll get motherboard makers paying more attention to the design of AM3 boards
11-18-2008, 08:41 PM
G0ldBr1ck

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

And still Im wondering what FX will be about:p:

I tend to believe that AMD cannot afford to sell a overpriced CPU in there current shape and by overpriced I mean the price tag's that FX flavors always had. If they were to use the FX branding on a less than $300 CPU it would damage the FX name for future implementations.

just my guess :shrug:
11-18-2008, 08:41 PM
Shadowmage

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Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Not necessarily, but I can say that having read posts from Donnie and other users I know they're well educated in the subject and respectful towards other members 99% of the time.

Seniority shouldn't be some all encompassing "shield" against blame, but I think users who have somewhat "grown" XS from a relatively small niche forum into an increasingly relevant one deserve some credit.

All I'm saying is that people (myself included at times) need to tone down the rage a little bit. Bickering jokingly or whatnot can be fun, but when arguments carry on page after page and involve insults, the line may be crossed.

Ha ha, I remember the good ol' days on XOC forums in 2003-2004, where Donnie and I would constantly flame each other and argue about ATI (me) vs NVIDIA (Donnie). Then we both ended up on XS. Watch out, Donnie is more experienced than you can imagine in this area :rofl:;):up:
11-18-2008, 10:08 PM
Zytek_Fan

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Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck

I tend to believe that AMD cannot afford to sell a overpriced CPU in there current shape and by overpriced I mean the price tag's that FX flavors always had. If they were to use the FX branding on a less than $300 CPU it would damage the FX name for future implementations.

just my guess :shrug:

FX priced cheaply could make it more popular.
11-18-2008, 10:10 PM
Brother Esau

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

FX priced cheaply could make it more popular.

i7 Priced more cheaply could make it more popular as well
11-18-2008, 10:13 PM
Zytek_Fan

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

i7 Priced more cheaply could make it more popular as well

True, yes, but hasn't there always been a premium on the fastest?
11-19-2008, 02:27 AM
prostoman

If you think about it in the long run, there is room for a Deneb at 3,4 GHz out of the box. After that, there is no more names in the 9XX series.
P2 945 = 3GHz
P2 965 = 3,2GHz
P2 985 = 3,4GHz

May be everything else that is higher than 3,4 will be FX? That is if there will be anythig to come out clocked above 3,4.
11-19-2008, 02:38 AM
Nedjo

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Originally Posted by prostoman

If you think about it in the long run, there is room for a Deneb at 3,4 GHz out of the box. After that, there is no more names in the 9XX series.
P2 945 = 3GHz
P2 965 = 3,2GHz
P2 985 = 3,4GHz

May be everything else that is higher than 3,4 will be FX? That is if there will be anythig to come out clocked above 3,4.

well 995 could be 3.6 Ghz ;)
11-19-2008, 02:56 AM
sergiojr

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Originally Posted by prostoman

If you think about it in the long run, there is room for a Deneb at 3,4 GHz out of the box. After that, there is no more names in the 9XX series.

It seems that gap between 920 and 940 is 20, only because they need both room for AM2+ and AM3 versions and possibility to introduce 2.9Ghz model between them in future.
Actually they have 10 for 200MHz (look lower clocked models for example). So there is room for up to 3.9GHz (they skip 950 for 3.1 Ghz, after that 960 for 3.2 Ghz - 995 for 3.9 Ghz).
And if AMD will be able to push Phenom II to 4Ghz stock, that proc deserves FX name. :)
11-19-2008, 03:53 AM
awdrifter

If the 45nm K10 can really hit 4ghz, a 995 @ 3.6ghz and then maybe an FX model at 3.8ghz would max it out. When 32nm comes they'll name it Phenom III. So it could work out.
11-19-2008, 04:25 AM
Hornet331

lol at everyone dreaming about 3,6ghz stock for a quadcore. This never gona happen on 45nm, maybe on 32nm.

Even Intels highest bin on 45nm for a quad is 3,4ghz with 150W TDP on a HKMG 45nm process.

And thats a server processor... for consumers that binning would be north of 160W. :p:
11-19-2008, 04:32 AM
George_o/c

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

lol at everyone dreaming about 3,6ghz stock for a quadcore. This never gona happen on 45nm, maybe on 32nm.

Even Intels highest bin on 45nm for a quad is 3,4ghz with 150W TDP on a HKMG 45nm process.

And thats a server processor... for consumers that binning would be north of 160W. :p:

Oh he is right ;) 3.6GHz stock for a quadcore is just a dream :(
I hope that new amd quadcores can at least, hit @ 4GHz, that would be a great start for AMD :)
11-19-2008, 06:00 AM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by Nedjo

well 995 could be 3.6 Ghz ;)

And 999 can be 4,0GHz. Yep, that sounds good.

:rolleyes: :ROTF:
11-19-2008, 06:12 AM
Sparky

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

lol at everyone dreaming about 3,6ghz stock for a quadcore. This never gona happen on 45nm, maybe on 32nm.

Even Intels highest bin on 45nm for a quad is 3,4ghz with 150W TDP on a HKMG 45nm process.

And thats a server processor... for consumers that binning would be north of 160W. :p:

Hey we can dream right? :p: People used to think 2GHz was a dream too.

And if I am remembering that article correctly, AMD's new 45nm SOI is pretty darn good, nearly as good as intel's HKMG 45nm process. Or maybe I'm not quite remembering the article right, but either way it is really good. And tbh, saying since intel's fastest is x chip at y speed doesn't neccessarily mean AMD's fastest couldn't be faster. Typically intel's CPUs have had higher clocks but that can always change. I'm not saying it will, just saying it is possible.

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