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06-22-2008, 10:04 AM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

nop!
You can t compromise the safety of a platform for the good of the OC community... Make sense, no?

who?

I m confused about two things. You speak from the proverbial "we" when you talk from intel. Are you part of intel... or do you speak for them?

Secondly, criticizing overdrive, in that it could be a virus... is pretty ridiculous logic. We better take down riva tuner, because someone might over clock our gfx and melt them.. or lock all hardware because they may make our harddrives spin so fast they melt...
but the AOD being a tool for virus.. what would happen.. change the multi to 200, and it wouldnt boot. And all that would happen is you would reset, and go into bios and put it back to default , if it didnt do it already... So i don't really follow that logic. How nehalem is a Safer chip...
06-22-2008, 10:15 AM
BrowncoatGR

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Originally Posted by villa1n

I m confused about two things. You speak from the proverbial "we" when you talk from intel. Are you part of intel... or do you speak for them?

He works for Intel.
06-22-2008, 10:17 AM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

He works for Intel.

in what capacity... as that virus comment... demonstrates little understanding of cpu clocking..
06-22-2008, 10:32 AM
bowman

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

now, think about the concequences of allowing the change of frequency under windows ... a "bad" hacker can find it funny to modify the multipliers to 200x ... what happen then ... :shakes: The best Virus ever? :eek: :eek: :eek:

That is a cool but deadly feature :shrug:

Just some of my personal thinking ...:cool:

who?

Well, if that's the case.. Then any software overclocking tool ought to be buried.

I'm just talking about in general, whether changeable in BIOS or otherwise.
06-22-2008, 10:44 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by villa1n

in what capacity... as that virus comment... demonstrates little understanding of cpu clocking..

IMHO it is unlikely as well. Be warned though, not impossible. The hack he's talking is while the computer is running, not while it is shut down.
06-22-2008, 10:47 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by bowman

Well, if that's the case.. Then any software overclocking tool ought to be buried.

I'm just talking about in general, whether changeable in BIOS or otherwise.

I have mine on my Gigabyte disabled. My Foxconn has one that runs in Auto-mode better than the one on my old ABit.
06-22-2008, 10:49 AM
BrowncoatGR

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

IMHO it is unlikely as well. Be warned though, not impossible. The hack he's talking is while the computer is running, not while it is shut down.

You could do the same with any bus on the system though. And i dont think anything worse than a hard lockup is likely to happen in either case anyway
06-22-2008, 11:15 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

You could do the same with any bus on the system though. And i dont think anything worse than a hard lockup is likely to happen in either case anyway

True!
06-22-2008, 11:41 AM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

IMHO it is unlikely as well. Be warned though, not impossible. The hack he's talking is while the computer is running, not while it is shut down.

Oh, I dont think it isnt possible, I mean you could theoretically pull off that hack, background launch the app, and change the multi's.. but he s saying that a x200 multi would kill the computer.. and i just don't see how. Maybe if you could change the voltage, and also disable all the safegaurds, but computer would just powerdown before that happened, and reset in bios. So i dont see how that is the most dangerous virus ever, or what the point of it would be. There are many more effective ways to disable a computer. And the advantages to having cores being clocked that way far outweigh that disadvantage, I know for myself, i sure wish i could clock my cores with a tool like that :) but i digress.
06-22-2008, 11:46 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by villa1n

Oh, I dont think it isnt possible, I mean you could theoretically pull off that hack, background launch the app, and change the multi's.. but he s saying that a x200 multi would kill the computer.. and i just don't see how. Maybe if you could change the voltage, and also disable all the safegaurds, but computer would just powerdown before that happened, and reset in bios. So i dont see how that is the most dangerous virus ever, or what the point of it would be. There are many more effective ways to disable a computer. And the advantages to having cores being clocked that way far outweigh that disadvantage, I know for myself, i sure wish i could clock my cores with a tool like that :) but i digress.

Again, true. Sure the X200 is unrealistic but I don't he meant X200 literally. As was already said and I agreed with the computer would lock up or even reboot if nothing else.
06-22-2008, 12:14 PM
FlanK3r

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

Those Wprime benchs are really impresive, compare to a QX9650 below:

So your 2.93GHz (with dual channel?), beat my result at 4.2GHz with Dual Channel (by a fair margin)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7...24m4200id4.jpg

this Nehalem is going to be a monster in multi-threaded apps even if it only does 3.6GHz on air.

wprime is good benchmark for multicores CPUs.
watch here:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...24&articID=809

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3...rocepu6.th.png
06-22-2008, 01:42 PM
mstp2009

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Originally Posted by Movieman

You bring the chips, I'll find the boards..;)

You find me a WORKING board that can boot these, to keep, and I'll give you one.

No joke.
06-22-2008, 01:53 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by mstp2009

You find me a WORKING board that can boot these, to keep, and I'll give you one.

No joke.

Nice deal I must say ;)
06-22-2008, 02:00 PM
perkam

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Nice deal I must say ;)

You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here :p:

So who wants to guess how much the X58 Asus Maximus will be :eek:

Perkam
06-22-2008, 02:04 PM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by perkam

You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here :p:

Mmm, I don't care? :p: :D
06-22-2008, 02:15 PM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by perkam

You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here :p:

So who wants to guess how much the X58 Asus Maximus will be :eek:

Perkam

dont worry next game he will see plenty pics of russians. :D

hmm i dont think X58 will cost more then current top of the line enthusiast mobos.

250-300€ max. (maybe some über limited special editions will go beyond the 300/350€ mark)
06-22-2008, 02:29 PM
bowman

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Originally Posted by perkam

You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here :p:

So who wants to guess how much the X58 Asus Maximus will be :eek:

Perkam

And how many diddly bobs will it have? Maybe it will come with an add-in soundcard the size of an 8800GTX and a glow-in-the-dark bobbing head doll on the northbridge cooler. :lol:

I want something simple and clean this time.. I'm tired of all these ultra-expensive 'enthusiast' boards that really offer little but trinkets. What happened to affordable boards crammed with actual useful features?
06-22-2008, 02:49 PM
DMH

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Originally Posted by bowman

And how many diddly bobs will it have? Maybe it will come with an add-in soundcard the size of an 8800GTX and a glow-in-the-dark bobbing head doll on the northbridge cooler. :lol:

I want something simple and clean this time.. I'm tired of all these ultra-expensive 'enthusiast' boards that really offer little but trinkets. What happened to affordable boards crammed with actual useful features?

They are extinct :(:p:
06-22-2008, 03:05 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by mstp2009

You find me a WORKING board that can boot these, to keep, and I'll give you one.

No joke.

Let me see what I can do..:up:
06-22-2008, 04:10 PM
Drwho?

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Originally Posted by villa1n

in what capacity... as that virus comment... demonstrates little understanding of cpu clocking..

well, this is a risk to take ... I am not ready to take this risk.
you see that from a OC point of view. with this feature enable, you are 10 lines of code away from freezing. You may dissagree on use of this API hook, but I totally dissagree when somebody write a virus, it does not stop them from doing it ... grrrrrrrr

I am looking at ways to do it safely, like a push button has to be pushed to make the hardware change its ratio via software. When you have an product like Core 2, you don t want to expose yourself to one hacker in his garage, do you understand my point?

It is not showing "little understanding" to put priority into safety.

I am the extreme guy, i try my best to find compromise, I just can't give a loaded gun to a hacker ...

Please see the big picture, it make sense!

Francois Alias who?
To answer an other post, I always speak for myself here, not for intel.
06-22-2008, 04:37 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

well, this is a risk to take ... I am not ready to take this risk.
you see that from a OC point of view. with this feature enable, you are 10 lines of code away from freezing. You may dissagree on use of this API hook, but I totally dissagree when somebody write a virus, it does not stop them from doing it ... grrrrrrrr

I am looking at ways to do it safely, like a push button has to be pushed to make the hardware change its ratio via software. When you have an product like Core 2, you don t want to expose yourself to one hacker in his garage, do you understand my point?

It is not showing "little understanding" to put priority into safety.

I am the extreme guy, i try my best to find compromise, I just can't give a loaded gun to a hacker ...

Please see the big picture, it make sense!

Francois Alias who?
To answer an other post, I always speak for myself here, not for intel.

I think what you have to understand here at Xs is that there are many personalities and ways of seeing things.
People will ask you questions that for different reasons you may not be able to answer.
I think the best way to deal with those is to just say "I'm sorry but I can't answer that at this time" and people then understand to drop the point.
I have friends that work for Intel that I ask questions of but I have set it up with them that if I ask a question that would put them in an uncomfortable position to just say " I can't go there"
No one's feelings are hurt and the friendships continue.
I know I don't take it personally.
The only time you get a bad feeling is when someone answers you with an evasion. Better to be honest and say "sorry, but I can't" and let it die there.

Now, where's the pics of a dual socket Nehalem working at 4000mhz?
C'mon, I know you got one..:rofl:
06-22-2008, 04:39 PM
Drwho?

Can't be as bad as the AMDZone posting .... hehehehe

Francois
06-22-2008, 04:41 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

Can't be as bad as the AMDZone posting .... hehehehe

Francois

No, here you get Xtreme Curiousity, there it's Xtreme Whining..:rofl:
06-22-2008, 05:16 PM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

well, this is a risk to take ... I am not ready to take this risk.
you see that from a OC point of view. with this feature enable, you are 10 lines of code away from freezing. You may dissagree on use of this API hook, but I totally dissagree when somebody write a virus, it does not stop them from doing it ... grrrrrrrr

I am looking at ways to do it safely, like a push button has to be pushed to make the hardware change its ratio via software. When you have an product like Core 2, you don t want to expose yourself to one hacker in his garage, do you understand my point?

It is not showing "little understanding" to put priority into safety.

I am the extreme guy, i try my best to find compromise, I just can't give a loaded gun to a hacker ...

Please see the big picture, it make sense!

Francois Alias who?
To answer an other post, I always speak for myself here, not for intel.

I understand what your saying its a vulnerability for an exploit that could, cause a system halt. But so would any tuning software, riva tuner for gfx etc...as well, like BrowncoatGR said, the same could be done by altering FSB. And 10 lines of code can just as easily block it, if someone were to create that malicious code, as well, the OS is more a vulnerability, than that. A virus that shut down the comp, would be annoying yes, but easily detectable, and not sure on the bio's but could easily be blocked by adding some bios code, to block that function, if it were to happen, simple on off switch in the bios. The advantages to clocking systems in that way, is useful, especially for the average user, and for system boosts. I use intel currently and with nehalem approaching, will most likely continue to do so, but if nehalem had this feature would i complain..not on your life, that would be amazing. A cpu the tests its max stability, then dynamicly changes multis based on load would be amazing.
Again, i understand the vulnerability, and I was ahead of myself in questioning your knowledge, Je suis désolé.
But with a million exploits out there, and the main motivation since the advent of mainstream internet use being, to make money, not havok, I see this as a very very low threat vulnerability, verses, lets say, the good ol backdoor days ^^
06-22-2008, 06:46 PM
MnM

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Originally Posted by perkam

You might want to change your sig, I think we have members from Italy here :p:

Do you dare do that!! That pic is beatiful plus revenge is sweet - Buffon from hero to villan!

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