Lets talk breaking the HTT 230 limit on k10 here

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12-11-2007, 11:54 PM
KTE

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukija

I wonder what is the location of clock generator? You can always check its registers. I tried to look at SB600 papers but there are only clockgens fro USB,SATA etc etc...

Yeah, there's an RD790 PWM controller, internal HT 3 link controller and a chipset clock generator for sure. Just don't know their locations. :(

There is supposed to be a system base timer which runs at 3.6MHz, correct?
12-19-2007, 03:38 AM
Emperor

i am maxed out at 230x11 or 235x10

HTT multi = 05
CPU FID - 6 (for 230HTT)
CPU DID - 0
NB FID - 4
NB DID - 0

i am already running vcore at 1.463 and vram at 2.1. is there anyway i can break 230 or 235HTT??
12-19-2007, 09:26 PM
dehx

OK, boys, if you have a Gigabyte DS5, check out the thread labeled DS5.

I just got the F3b bios, it lets me set the NB multi down to 6x, so now I can hit 250+ HTT Pics are there to prove it

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hp?t=169215#17
12-20-2007, 12:48 AM
saaya

what was the max you could get before with what nb multi?
12-20-2007, 01:40 AM
dehx

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

what was the max you could get before with what nb multi?

Before this BIOS update, I couldn't change the NB multi.

The max seems to be 250 HTT tho.. I've tried voltage adjustments to CPU and chipset, thriottling multis down to 5x and even dropping my memory.

I cant get stability over 250x11 (I even tried 255x10).
12-20-2007, 03:08 PM
KTE

dehx, your CPU score is very low for the MHz, very similar to 2.42GHz/single channel. ;)
12-20-2007, 04:27 PM
Brother Esau

Hey, wheres Big Toe at:D
12-20-2007, 06:26 PM
dehx

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTE

dehx, your CPU score is very low for the MHz, very similar to 2.42GHz/single channel. ;)

KTE, I have my HT and NB link set very low.

I changed em, so now they both run at 2 Ghz.
I updated the pic. I believe my latest 3d mark was over 14100. Cpu score was 3600.
12-21-2007, 02:37 PM
Stefan Payne

Ahm, guys, forget the CPU-Z shots, CPU-Z doesn't really work with a Phenom, sometimes it's kinda wrong.

The only thing that really 100% works is the rivatuner but chrystalcpuid may be ok.
12-21-2007, 10:18 PM
KTE

We found this out a while ago Stefan Payne. ;)

AOD/EVEREST/CrystalCPUID work best. AOD has never been wrong yet.
12-22-2007, 04:23 PM
Viper666

Some will probably loose it on this post, but wouldn't it make sense to use a real mainboard in these tests? Not Cheep crap ! After 20 years working on pc's one thing I know without a doubt, if it doesnt say Asus on the box its not a real mainboard. My guess would be the Asus board works fine and will probably be the best over clocker, since over the past 15 years 99 times out of a 100 it has been. Did IC up there a Phenom at 3ghz hung with the Yorksfield, hum !So the next AMD stepping might just slap the big dog? Many people Intel fanboys like to think AMD is stupid. It appears thats just not the case.There have been some problems, but I believe the answer to the Core and beyond is here.Yorksfield is just a die shrink.
Thanks
Very Happy AMD Fan Boy !
12-22-2007, 04:47 PM
Brother Esau

You're Kidding abot the ASUS deal right:rofl:
12-22-2007, 05:43 PM
KTE

Viper666, honestly. Rethink the first 3 lines of you last post because you're very wrong if you believe in that.
12-22-2007, 07:51 PM
QuietIce

Viper -
I've got one ASUS board I really like (A8N32-SLI) but even it had problems at first. By the end of s939 it was one of two OC boards I trusted.

The other would be DFI (not that Gigabyte is bad, either) ... ;)
12-22-2007, 08:44 PM
muzz

Bah- Asus is Overpriced, and over hyped.

They have poor bios support, and their boards struggle to meet the top contenders in the Amd arena.

And it's been that way for a LONG time.

There, I came out and said it... you guys need to grow some ballz!!
I will NOT buy the MVdeluxe/wifi/yourmotheristhebest board anytime soon...

heheh
12-23-2007, 01:44 AM
Emperor

just ran 3dmark 06

225x11
HT = 1125mhz
NB = 1800mhz

3dmark06 cpu scores is 3657,

normal or too low?
12-23-2007, 02:37 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor

just ran 3dmark 06

225x11
HT = 1125mhz
NB = 1800mhz

3dmark06 cpu scores is 3657,

normal or too low?

Normally good :p:
If you crank NB a bit and/or memory timings/clock you can get even better (~+30/+100).
12-23-2007, 02:49 AM
Brother Esau

Wow thats all you guys are getting with 3DMARK 06:confused: Sounds like another instance of where the software is not accommodating the new architecture of Phenom:( Because that just cant be possible for a Quad Core CPU man!
12-23-2007, 04:30 AM
KTE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor

just ran 3dmark 06

225x11
HT = 1125mhz
NB = 1800mhz

3dmark06 cpu scores is 3657,

normal or too low?

About right I would say. This is 55MHz more on CPU, 2.07GHz NB and HT: 3723

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/666/2k6tr0.th.png
12-23-2007, 05:44 AM
Emperor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightman

Normally good :p:
If you crank NB a bit and/or memory timings/clock you can get even better (~+30/+100).

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTE

About right I would say. This is 55MHz more on CPU, 2.07GHz NB and HT: 3723

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/666/2k6tr0.th.png

I will try raising the NB and HTT clocks with the multis again later. if i raise it too high it will end up downclocking my HT link and crystalcpuid will give me weird readings again..

i realised i cannot have HT link and NB both running at the same speeds because it will either lockup or refuse to post.
oh well...
12-23-2007, 05:59 AM
KTE

I think you might be able to. ;)

There are some settings where it works and some where it won't work.

Can you bootup at 225 or 230 HT ref.?
If you can, do so, leave NB multi default and set the HT multi to 9x 1800MHz. Raise CPU volts. See what you get with AOD. ;)
12-23-2007, 06:08 AM
Emperor

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTE

I think you might be able to. ;)

There are some settings where it works and some where it won't work.

Can you bootup at 225 or 230 HT ref.?
If you can, do so, leave NB multi default and set the HT multi to 9x 1800MHz. Raise CPU volts. See what you get with AOD. ;)

i am using 225x11 now. 230 is ok too...but installing apps and moving files locks up the system. have no idea why.

what's the default NB multi? shouldnt HT be below or equal to NB?

i am already at 1.575 or so volts.

i cant use AOD, instant lockups. it puzzles me out.
12-23-2007, 06:35 AM
KTE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor

i am using 225x11 now. 230 is ok too...but installing apps and moving files locks up the system. have no idea why.

Instability/more cooling/chip limit. Any one of these. :)

Quote:

what's the default NB multi?

9x

Quote:

shouldnt HT be below or equal to NB?

Yep.

Quote:

i am already at 1.575 or so volts.

That's near the max you can go. Looks like you'll need higher volts/better cooling/lower speeds for higher NB clocks.

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i cant use AOD, instant lockups. it puzzles me out.

Which version are you using and platform?
12-23-2007, 09:42 AM
MR.Q

I wonder about.......

AOD shows HT speed as default running at 1000Mhz. I thought this speed (like ddr memory) was double pumped to an effective speed of 2000Mhz? It also displays your memory's actual speed 400Mhz as opposed to it's effective 800Mhz for example.

So when AOD shows NB speed as default running at 1800Mhz, is this speed also meant to be "doubled" or is this the effective speed of the bus and it's actually running at 900Mhz? Or does it simply not work like that with the NB?

If it does, or doesn't.....I wonder why the default speeds of these buses on AM2+ mobo's are 1000mhz for HT (2000Mhz) and (1800Mhz for NB) when the HT speed is never supposed to run faster than the NB??? :confused:

Perhaps someone can shed some light?
12-23-2007, 10:29 AM
KTE

In AOD report; HT is actual speed (duplex is effective), RAM is actual speed and NB speed is also actual speed just like CPU speed is actual speed. All are worked from a base clock and a multiplier/divider. Effective speed of DDR2 still doesn't make it the actual speed the memory bus runs at, its used simply to display the apparent potential of the speed (double the real value).

Default speed of HT link for Phenom is 1800MHz AFAI experienced.

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