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This is where we disagree. Ian is essentially calling vkbms an 'idiot' by saying PEBKAC is he not? In my neck of the woods that will get you a 3 day vacation. I NEVER call someone an idiot or personally attack them. I challenge data and ask for proof but I never in a round about way tell someone they are stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Baleful
No, I'm not saying that. He made a generalization that I don't feel is accurate. But I also don't think that warranted your comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Can't we just get along? It isn't a life or death situation if one guy likes one block over somebody else's favorite or whatever.
so whats the performence like with this ?
Then I guess we agree to disagree. Well in all honesty it looks to me like vkbms did screw up the GTX. It was fine before he took apart right, then he put the O-ring in it, now the threads are off? Am I missing something? That would mean Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.... right? If this is the case, that vbkms screwed up the threads on his own, he shouldn't be downing the construction of the GTX.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
Unless i'm just missing something here......
Have you seen the photos i made?Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Top is in awful condition (i can do better with a dremel)...
The threadS in base just rip off.....
In addiction in the last reply, Swiftech said that thay don't change the block....
There's something else to say?
Nothing else to say.....
Especially of your behavior.... :shakes:
I'm not here to create flame ....but to give my contribution to this forum....
Bye, Swiftech fanboy.....
(sorry at all for my english)
I've simply unscrewed the bolts.....Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Baleful
The o-ring for bow is still in the box....
he threads remain attached to the bolts.....Simply unscrewing it
I don't think to be the problem.....i'm noot a noob....i can unscrew a bolt....
:shakes:
I'll bring this to the attention of Swiftech and let Gabe Rouchon himself respond.
Vkbms i believe you with the latest GTX shipments. Im hearing quite a few posts of people noticing the finish on the GTX not up par.Quote:
Originally Posted by vkbms
Iany when you and i both got it, near launch, each was perfect, and absolutely flawless.
Nealh on the other hand, got one terrible Messed up. I believe vkbms has the same issue. If two blocks now are showing f'd up, i think gabe should do some ass kickn at the production line.
But I have to agree with iany on some aspects. Swiftech makes some of the nicest stuff you'll find in the industry. But they are still operated by human. That means human error is evident. At least there great with the RMA's.
Even so, this looks like more like an isolated case of a bad block, rather than "GTX build quality being horrible". Just because you've got one screwed up GTX dosn't mean "omg they're all crap". Look at how many ppl have bowed GTX's and this is the first i've ever heard where the screws have been stripped out.Quote:
Originally Posted by vkbms
Several people including myself have asked the same frustrating question.
When will these blocks be available in North America ?:down: and why in hell would they release it in Europe first ?:shocked:
well if the base was on for the test and not leaking..... then i don't think the threads where poorly made at the factory. IF there was enough pressure to get the threads to just rip off originally how the hell did the base miraculously stay on for the testing? even if they were poorly made threads taking off pressure from them wouldn't break them. if they were going to break it would be when you applied pressure to them, so it looks like someone turned the screw the wrong way by accident and stripped them.Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Baleful
John at Jabtech asked me what to do with this block. My initial assessment, later confirmed by John, is that this is a "first generation" top. We had CNC issues cutting the angle. Costmetics suffered because we had a hard time cleaning up the edges. This only affect blocks that we made many months ago, and has not been an issue ever since.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
The stripped threads is another story. This would be the first time such thing is reported. I cannot explain one way or another.
In any case, I told John to RMA the block no questions asked. I do not know what happened after that, this was only two days ago.
It is incredible what my eyes are watching! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by vkbms
Really poor quality materials and manifacture really bad! :down:
I think is a question of single faulty sample, it is quite impossible all samples are like this one!
If all samples would be like this one would be better not buy from this company!
I hope Swiftech will support very well and as soon as possible the guy who had this problem, replacing immediatly the sample with a good one.
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Originally Posted by v_parrello
I feel like there some sort of propaganda going on here. Both complaints are from Italian citizens. What's going on, over supply of EnzoTech products on your shelves?:shakes:
Il sig. Rouchon già ha detto che il blocco dovrebbe essere RMAed via Jab-Tecnologia senza le domande fatte. Capisco che l'inglese non è la vostra prima lingua, ma il relativo un alberino giusto sopra il vostro.
Sorry, pardon my Italian.. it is definitely not my language :)
I really don't want to create this mess with my post....
I can't explain myself correctly....
I've contacted via pm Gabe....I haven't buyed the Apogee from Jabtech but from Chilled Pc Uk.... so maybe he's mistaking person...
I'm waiting for his reply....
If moderators want to clean up this thread no problem for me.....
I really don't want to make a war to Swiftech.....but call me idiot seems a bit too much for me.....
You are going off the right road, and your offensive behaviour is not appropriate in a public forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Think
Do you really think some Italian citiziens are making complaints about these products just to make some form of "propaganda"? Do you think we are stupids and dishonests just because we made a complaint?
I made an observation based on what I watched with my eyes in some photos, you could disagree but you can not call dishonest every people that not agree with your opinions.
Please, be polite and serious! Before you write something think about the meaning of your speech!
P.S.: at the end I could say the some thing for you: are you making propaganda for Swiftech? I do not think the question is in this way!
I don't own a swiftech product but I plan to carry the line as well as Enzotech if they get there act together so there's no bias on my part.
Just to chime in, I had a Swiftech Stealth that had very bad threads for the stand offs around the core.
The one post just spins around, I had not over tightened the unit because the thermal paste had not even touched the core yet. It was spinning around in it's thread as soon as the screw made contact with it.
Every product has a percentage of duds, sometimes they unfortunately slip through the QC net.
so whats the performence like with these ???
i second that...forget the problems with that guys gtx screwing up...who cares???
Gabe told you the guy can get an RMA no questions asked so lets drop it and talk about what the post started out as, I came here to learn about a new block not some stupid dud of a block. Obivously this is not a real issue or concern for anybody buying a new waterblock from anywhere or any manufacturer. How many times do you hear about this type of thing? Not many, so every company makes some duds and sometimes they get out, RMA.
How many times have people bought corsair ram and right out of the box it is screwed, a lot more then waterblocks, so quit this crap and lets here some info on the block, or move this screwed block thread somewhere else so knowbody else has to come here wanting info on a new block and getting a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: fest.
Anybody else agree?
Yes
Back on topic plz
Ok, I've just made some fast screens. In reading them you should consider that I haven't technical instruments for temperatures measuration.....
Another important factor to consider is the position of the radiator : on the bottom of the case it is extremely disadvantaged , but my priority is the complete integration in the case...
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...191413_rad.JPG
The temp in Rome at the time is 16° C.
Refer only to the value "CPU" ; Core 0,1,2,3 are completely wrong" :)
FULL --> http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...zotechfull.JPG
IDLE --> http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...zotechidle.JPG
I think you have the pics switched, the first one is full load and second is idle.
Also, something wrong with those core temps in speedfan, no way they can be 13C idle in a 16C room... 16C room??? that's cold!
Could you repeat using the latest version of coretemp please? :)