AMD K8L ES coming in December

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Originally Posted by Poodle

Amd is the innovator. :)

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Too bad they didn't invent things like the x86 ISA for example.

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Originally Posted by Grayfox84

Don't know much about AMD aye? Can you say, embedded Silicon Germanium, with THEE Dual Stress Liner, and Stress Memorization technology. (Cu) (CMOS) on (SOI) wafers, with the use of dielectric constant gate K insulators on 65nm with considerably less leakage make K8L's FAB process far more superior then your fandom is thickheaded by 40%! (15% faster in process improvments including the 2x FPU, ALu, dual 128-bit SSE123 and SSE4a later, 256-bit cache, 128-bit wide points, 20% clock for clock, and 5% when adding clock boosts.) Thad be the magic 40% faster # we have a winner... Keep on topic, this is about K8L not the CON. :stick: Your not the only one who knows there shEtz wolf boy!

Fox of few words...

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Too bad their process with all those expensive toys isn't producing transistors on par with Intels' bulk SS process.As for the rest ,all those bring it on par with Conroe.

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

Well, the original 40% faster (than K8, 20% faster than C2D) figure was speculative based upon our knowledge of Rev H's (AMD's official name for K8L - which was coined by Intel engineers, ironically) presumed improvements.

ONE of those presumed improvements was a 4th complex decoder. However, AMD's recent disclosure of the improvements in Rev H indicate that this most likely is false, and that Rev H will have the same 3 complex decoders that Rev F/G have (most likely tweaked). With this improvement now lacking, that 40% number looks to be on the high side, but we will not know for sure until ES chips are benched (probably Dec - Feb, depending on who is the first one to sneak one through NDA).

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Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

HYPOTHETICAL example: CPU-A 1 SSE unit. CPU-B 2 SSE units. CPU-B faster? What if CPU-A clockspeed is higher? What if CPU-A executes SSE instruction in 1 cycle, and CPU-B executes in 3. With equal clockspeeds, now CPU-A is faster, right? But, maybe CPU-B can pre-fetch more intelligently, and has wider decoders. Thus it wouldn't matter how fast CPU-A can theoretically execute the instructions when CPU-B can process them faster... and even if you factored in all dozens of factors, you're still just left with hypothetical synthetic numbers. In actual applications/games and drivers with optimizations, the performance could be totally different than expected.

Bottom line: dozens of factors. Speculation is just speculation. Need real test with real hardware running real games to actually measure which is faster. Nobody cares if their video card has 8, 16, or 1024 shaders... if it cant run 60 fps in Quake3.

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Just wait and see ;)

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Originally Posted by savantu

Too bad they didn't invent things like the x86 ISA for example.

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But they did improve on Alpha's designs to create the K7, K8 and HT bus. Not to mention 3DNow! and their only really noteworthy contribution, x86-64.

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Originally Posted by PallMall

There is no doubt about the fact that K8L will wipe the floor with conroe, get over it lol.
As said already the release chart from the models says enough 2.0Ghz upto 2.9ghz later upto 3.5ghz.
You ain't releasing a cpu almost a year later at those clocks knowing it would be slower .:rolleyes:

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You must be either the world's leading authority on cpu die photo performance interpretation or just another clueless AMD fanboi to make those statements. :slapass:

sorry newbie...but im amd newbie

AM2+ is current AM2 socket? k8l 65nm with ht3.0 no problems in current boards so?

AMD does not even have a 65nm CPU the we have seen benched, nothing!

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Originally Posted by RangerXLT8

AMD does not even have a 65nm CPU the we have seen benched, nothing!

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come back in a month ;)

brent...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...amd-k8l_3.html

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Although the decoder of the K8L processor may not be able to decode 4-5 instructions per cycle, just the way Conroe can do it under favorable conditions, it will not hinder programs execution, because the commands are on average executed at less than 3 commands per cycle. K8 usually decodes one x86 instruction into fewer macro-operations than Conroe CPU would do. This, as well as the 32-byte fetch set, make its decoder highly efficient.

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while having 4 decoders would be nice for those cases where more than 3 per clock are issued, it's not gonna help THAT much

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

Please do your homework and then come back. AMD has made no announcements that their 65nm node will include SiGe. Their 65nm process will be just like their 90nm, SOI wafers (with improved gates).

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Yes they did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_germanium
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32322
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...103048,00.html

There are some roadmaps as well... somewhere on XS. I just got to sift through my posts. But yeah you can google it all you want on your free time, SiGe is in 65nm AMD's no denieing it. I think you should do your homework before you prech to somebody. The FX-64 and later will also include that on the new 90nm SOI-3 witch has SiGe in it also. They are trying to correct the FX-62's poor OCability with new fab processes. Unfortionatly the FX-60 was the best OCer people forgot about. It does more then a FX62 can ever dream of. Thats why a FX-60 is common to reach 3.5ghz and others 3.9ghz. The FX-62 most of them anyways are no better then my X2. Its rare to see a FX-62 to get over 3.2ghz. Thats about the limit for windsors but not for other cores. Most of the older cores perform much better. But at the cost of getting a opsolete platform.

http://badhardware.blogspot.com/2006...y-rainier.html

Here is the artical that talks about the 3.5ghz speeds K8L will later have somebody tryed to show before but a direct link doesn't work. This was released by mobo manufactuers and is required to reach a hyper transport BUS of 2.6ghz in the chipset.

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...96#post1720996
*Quoted Cooper*
Both FX-64 and FX-66 will be on 90nm tech but on SOI-3 which will add germanium into transistors to increase switch speed.

http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

Found what I needed, the road maps. Thank you very much. Do your homework indeed.

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

Hey SERGE84 - we're still waiting on those BENCHES!!!! ;)

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I'm getting a new board tuesday to get rid of the bloody voltage limits that plauge my X2 with the Tforce so I'll have no more issues soon and I can pull the real limits out of my chip. I'll prob have to redownload vista.

Anyways check out thoes links above. Hope you find them intresting. :D And I'm sure you wouldn't want to challange coopers intellagence now would you about THAT fab process. :fact:

Makes me laugh how all the Intel fanboy's have crawled out of there holes with Conroe on release... and they are bricking K8L like mad.

Intel is massive up against AMD.. technically they should have wiped them out by now.. but the saddest thing is.. they had to copy them.

Funny as f*ck, really.

But what would be even funnier.. is of nVidia's new CPUs next year will spank AMD + Intel, Lmao.. now that would be a sight to see.

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nVidia's new CPUs next year will spank AMD + Intel

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Need I say any more :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Gag3

Makes me laugh how all the Intel fanboy's have crawled out of there holes with Conroe on release... and they are bricking K8L like mad.

Intel is massive up against AMD.. technically they should have wiped them out by now.. but the saddest thing is.. they had to copy them.

Funny as f*ck, really.

But what would be even funnier.. is of nVidia's new CPUs next year will spank AMD + Intel, Lmao.. now that would be a sight to see.

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not so much as copy but rather give up a dream (50Ghz CPUs) and go crying home to Pentium3. Which actually was a pretty good design

Oh yes, I forgot.. I have 38 posts..

Views dont count for sh*t unless your a pr0 @ XS it would seem, shame.

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

Well, funny thing is it is EASY to go back and read all 39 of your posts, and there seems to be a theme.

Rampant threadcrapping and fanboism.

Closed-mindedness will get you far, I'm sure. ;)

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Coming from a man of such experience one can assume :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

Well, funny thing is it is EASY to go back and read all 39 of your posts, and there seems to be a theme.

Rampant threadcrapping and fanboism.

Closed-mindedness will get you far, I'm sure. ;)

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Closed-mindedness?

Rampant threadcrapping and fanboism.

Sure your not talking about yourself?

Becareful.. you might not be able to maintain a decent overclock if your head grows any bigger.

Amatuer.

Nearly every thread here is poorly moderated.. and you spend your time sniping at people.. you REALLY need to look around and pull the curtains once in a while.

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

WTF???

Why don't you go fondle your DDR3. :D

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Next person with an offtopic post is getting the axe :D

Don't care if your post count is 38 or 3800. (as long as its not more then mine? heh).

Perkam

so "Barcelona" is going to be a K8 tweaked in as many ways as they can? i heard that no part went untouched...so this should be pretty good.

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Originally Posted by breakfromyou

so "Barcelona" is going to be a K8 tweaked in as many ways as they can? i heard that no part went untouched...so this should be pretty good.

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It is more looking like a very large redesign of the K8.Since it taped out,AMD is confident it's pretty much finished product and we might see first server parts in Q2 '07.
And by the look of things,it's going to be killer platform(not just awesome CPU,but awesome possibilities for 8 core enthusiast systems,with support for both CF and SLI,HTX dedicated accelerators-ie. physics,DDR3 compatible IMC,coprocessors...).

We might as well say that if K8 is 3/5 core,then RevB is going to be almost 5/5 :D :D

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

Great. Took you what? week + to get the benches?

Just remember, I've got an EASY 400MHz left in my E6600. So if need be, I can pull out 3.6GHz ;)


PS - Got anything NEWER on SiGe? AMD has been almost too quiet on this front for a while now. Either something spectacular is coming, or they are having problems like when they moved to SOI.

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Yeah sorry about that, but I needed the upgrade. I would have bought the DFI infinity Matx if it was out yet, but I had to go with a Tforce6100 at the time, now all that has changed. About time a matx board came out that can OC like a $250 DFI and half all the features like one. Ok my next limit is heat. I maybe able to post higher Ghz on CPUz but I wouldn't bench for long on something like 3.2ghz on air... but then again my heatsink will be reseated into this new mobo so the temps will be better. I beleave I just have crappy seating and airflow... ya know I'm doing this all in a small mATX case.

May just bench it out of the case and use abunch of fans. Wish I had water or bough those 160+ airflow rated fans. I'll see what I can do. But if I was on phase I just wonder how much I could get out of 2.15vcore... wow I don't think I'd ever be that extreme to use this board with no limit.

Well AMD is always too quite about stuff. Almost makes you wish they would show off like Intel but we really have no idea how K8L will perform only specualte about how its arc is similar to conroe in its own unique ways so we should atleast expect it to perform like one atleast. But I think the debating gets a little hot headed at times and a little overboard.

What company doesn't have problems at 1st? But once it comes out and matures it will be a hell of a lot better then the current AM2's sad the 939's are better OCers. SOI-3 is sipose to change that. They are sticking with the 90nm FX's because they can still clock higher then the 65nm parts at the moment. But the new FX's won't be the same, SOI-3 was only ment for 65nm but they wanted the FX's to have them because it makes faster transistors. So hopefully the new FX-64 and 70 series will turn AMD around.

FX-64 should be $600 by then since the 70 series is the FX replacement (Sold in pairs btw.) I seen price cuts down to $300 in the last 3 months in the FX's is amazing $700 for a FX62 now. So I would say AMD is doing pretty good. Specially in the opterons new mass priceing cuts. I think they are getting ready for the change is why prices are getting so low for one reason. They are wanting to get rid of all the past crap and make room for the new. Also they must have found a way to make fab manufactuering costs cheaper.

They gane proffit with massave volume sales and increaseing demand. Its never been better for AMD since sales are happening like mad.

Still waiting Serge84, lots of hot air, no action. In other words, you are full of crap and BS about all your magical non existing things. :slapass:

still waiting for what? you're waiting for an ES product to be released, illegally brought to the "tester's market" and then dispersed amongst people who have no clue as to how to utilize the processor?

geez...this thread is running on a :banana::banana::banana::banana:load of hot air already; no need to add more.

dave

wow thats hot I need an X2 first

God Why Must Conroe be Dragged EVERYWHERE

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Originally Posted by nn_step

God Why Must Conroe be Dragged EVERYWHERE

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probably because it is the fastest cpu ever made, just like the x2 once was and you done a far bit of "dragging" with that, you should understand yourself though because of how strongly you defend the merits of ddr3 in every thread:)

Also why do some have a problem with people talking about Conroe? It seems to follow a pattern where someone would ask about an upgrade and some one would correctly point out that Conroe is the fastest atm then would be flamed by people for mentioning it.

Hopefully these are not just Intel fanboys though and will be just as happy to advise buyers what is best if k8l does a bit of ass whooping

And sarge, if you really think the avg oc for a fx60 is 3.5-3.9 its time to pass the pipe brother:eek: