I'm getting X2 3800+ tomorrow, should i update my BIOS?
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I'm getting X2 3800+ tomorrow, should i update my BIOS?
no, unless it's from early 2005...
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Originally Posted by TEDY
I'm running 406BTA, before than 1105. Yea. unless it's an early bios, no need.
i have 618-2 as in my sig.
Anyone know anything about this particular stepping?
LDBFE 0626GPMW
All who have ordered from the shop get the same stepping it seems like, so I wonder if it's any good?
I managed to grab a LCBIE 0621 VPMW
and it is dual priming at 260x10 auto volts.
I'm a little concerned about heatsink contact and temperatures.
After 30 minutes of priming core temp shows 40C and 52C while smart guardian shows 43C.
Which range of temps would you recommend with this chip?
Mainboard is an DFI Ultra-D, Cooler is Freezer64 (doesn't get warm at all, which could be because of the large surface area).
This chip is awesome :) just want to make sure not to break it with a bad heatsink mount.
little update on LCBIE 0618EPMW
dual Prime stable 3020mhz @ 1.568v air:banana: :banana: :banana:
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5...9hrszc7.th.jpg
nice job. i'm at 2.8 at 1.35v but am having heat problems. you pop the top to hit that, or you still have the IHS on?Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeyefan
Good god, my 4400+ is struggling for 2800, and temps are Prescott like. Newer rev.'s do look a little stronger, but are still not hitting 3ghz regularly. AMD Is in t.r.o.u.b.l.e.
I wish my 0618EPMW does as good as yours, hawkeyefan! Mine is @ 2.70ghz v1.375... phobe reads v1.39 tho. @ 2.75ghz, its crashed after 6hrs of play WOW.. so I guess I need some burn in...
had to pop the top...apparently very poor contact with IHS:fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by douirc
could not stabilize above 2970mhz previously, now looks as though 3050mhz @ ~1.6v is not out of the question
almost 10C drop in temps, versus ~3-5C drop on my Venice E3
now you are making me want to remove the ihs i did it on my 3200 and didnt help me any
seems to be making a bigger difference on the X2 in terms of mhz & temps imhoQuote:
Originally Posted by Console
good times w/ this chip. best SP1M @1.586v= 3130mhz :hehe:
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/9...sp1mre5.th.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=117300
10C drop with the ihs removed wozers! oh, a big typhoon also. Can you double check that? I thought it was only 1-2c diferrence with it removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeyefan
seriously, it was hitting ~53-54C full load 2970mhz @ 1.54v with the lid on, and Core1 would fail Prime instantly at anything above 2970 regardless of voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter949
now it loads between 42-44C (less if the A/C is on) plus the extra mhz:banana:
how is that possible?Quote:
almost 10C drop in temps
the big typhoon will crush the core firstly, and im guessing u dont have a shim
:confused:
No, it won't crush it. The cores can take a lot of weight, as long it is well distributed.
I had a big typhoon on top of a naked winchester, and now on top of a manchester, and with the case in the vertical.
My temps also droped 10C (on the hottest core)
How is it possible? One layer of thermal interface removed, potential bad contact between core and ihs and potential convexity/concavity of the ihs removed out of the equation.
Also, one of my cores were running 5C hotter than the other one and failing first. Now its even. Don't know if it still fails first though. Still testing.
no shims, just wrenched down as tight as possible with stock hardware. You can basically make the BigTyphoon crossbar bend without crushing the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by rpg711
I did the exact same with my Venice, horizontal mount both of them. all the benching and testing was done in a closed case in the vertical position, like armbg. Stock fan and mediocre lap job on the BT.
i actually put masking tape on the bottom half of my cpu to help the bigtyphoon sit properly. it wasn't making even contact before i did that. i probably could have screwed it down tighter but was affraid of crushing it. i just use fingers to make it as tight as possible.
i was just about to buy a 4400+ before i saw this thread! now i'm thinking one of these would do me better if i found a decent clocker. if it does well i doubt i'll really miss that extra 512k L2 per core.
aria in the UK identifies its stock as Toledo core (http://www.aria.co.uk/productinfocomm.asp?id=19392), and they just received a new batch today :).
i just dropped them an email trying to get any information regarding stepping out of them. im hopin for the best :).
Scan has manchester 3800s in stock at the mo - I have just brought one :D
2.8GHz @ 1.36V. not as lucky as others, but i think it's my AB0 holding me back. going to replace with an expert...should make the diff.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5...2800qp6.th.jpg
why you guys whining 2.8 at 1.36v ? my manchester craps out 2.65 with 1.36v.....
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Originally Posted by TEDY
I'm at 2.75@1.43 with my Manchester........I'm not complaining.
It's all good!
:toast:
Just buy the X2 3800, you will not be sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
:slap:
here's my x2 3800+ toledo under freezer 64 pro :)
http://membres.lycos.fr/starostise/L...z_1.29vmin.JPG
if you look at the toledo post above me, then you'll understand my gripe. that seems to be the norm with toledos, where as i have to up the voltage just to get to 2800. (but again, i think it's my mobo)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
nice job :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by starostise
nice, starostise. where are people picking up these LCBIEs? they're :O. is everyone getting them pre-tested from a contact or is anyone getting them retail?
found mine at a local MicroCenter. all they had were 2 LCBIE 0618epmw, i grabbed the one with the lower batch #:banana: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
i ordered mine from e-bug europe website, they differenciate manchesters and toledos :)Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
now it's hard to get one, all shops are out of stock :(
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Originally Posted by douirc
AB0 are bad boards?
y, the AD0's are the oc'ers board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gak
Well... I've got and AB0
:stick:
Never had any complaints.... However my TCCD are kinda picky... Could it be related?
:confused:
not all mobo are built the same (like cpus). some get machesters (AB0) that do 2.8 on air while most toledos (AD0) do 2.8 on air. if you had the choice, you'd pick a toldeo (AD0) over a manchester (AB0).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gak
(hope the analogy makes sense).
latest update...2.9GHz @ 1.424V.
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6...2900tv0.th.jpg
I know every component is different. Just like two brothers. They are alike but not equal.Quote:
Originally Posted by douirc
What i didn't know was that AB0 revisions sucked...
'sucked' is too intense a word. generally 'not as good' would be more fitting. if you had a machester that does 2.8 on air, would you say that sucked? if you had to choose between an AB0 and AD0, would you choose the AD0? it's luck of the draw...but i'd take my chances on an AD0 over an AB0 anyday.
I have a Toledo wich does 3Ghz at 1.4. Never tested for prime stable though cause of temps...
That's why im studying which components to buy for WC...
Hope to get things up and running next week or so...
That's one heck of a chip you got there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gak
:toast:
http://imagedump.no.sapo.pt/superpiaqua2.jpg
LCBIE 0622
T Chip
Cheers bud - cancelled my scan order and ordered an toledo from aria :)Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
Have to see how she does under a freezer 64 pro and on my foxconn 6150 :)
When will people learn that what you seen in CPU-Z is NOT actual voltage?
Like in many screenshots I see here, take GAK for example. No offence.
Sounded a little over zealous to me also.Quote:
Originally Posted by v0dka
:stick:
Do you want me to take a picture of it with a DMM reading vcore values?Quote:
Originally Posted by v0dka
The board voltage values (and PSU also, have been read with the help of a DMM) are coeherent with what CPU-Z is showing in this case.
If you somehow need any more confirmation i welcome you to my pm box. Or anybody else.
i don't think anyone's denying that there could be a diff between what cpuz reads and what's actual at the cpu...but we all need a point of reference...and since cpuz offers a voltage reading and we all use cpuz, we pretty much all use that as our point of reference. but agreed...it's not scientific, therefore is a poor point of reference...but for most of us...that's all we got.Quote:
Originally Posted by v0dka
I just used you as an example, maybe a bad one - if so I'm sorry. ;) 1.45v or 1.4v, it's one hell of an OC for that little voltage. Anyway I dont know what MB you have but a few posts above there's a guy with a DFI and smartguardian showing 1.42v and he claims to run only 1.42v.... DFI's voltage sensors are fubared and it's common knowledge, so BS.
Is it really that hard to understand?
I dont know what zealous means but I'm guessing you think I'm jealous? Let's just say that if I cared about spanking people I'd have a nice Conroe setup by now. And I have a nice 3Ghz stable Opty under water here crunching 24/7 so I dont know waht I should be jealous about actually?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
Not you vOdka, the 3ghz at 1.4 sounded a little fishy to me, I was just agreeing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by v0dka
:toast:
Heh whoops, language barrier I guess.
(And me too lazy to get an online dictionary) ;)
Zealous is not a bad thing;Quote:
Originally Posted by v0dka
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Zealous
whoa whoa whoa...easy man...
first, it wasn't my post you were originally refering to, it was GAK's. More importantly, no one is arguing with you, so don't feel like you need to defend yourself.
second, raybo's comment about being overzealous was in support of your comment. i.e. he's in agreement. he believes 3.0 @ 1.4v sounds a bit 'ficticious' if you will. i see you're from the netherlands, and perhaps not everything translates equally, but no worries man...we all hear you loud and clear and we're all on the same page. it's all good. :)
As u may have seen CPU-Z is shoing 1.408, wich is at bios 1.275x113%.
So to completely exact this cpu runs 3Ghz with 1.41 volts at bios, +/-1.408 real voltage...
As i've read some pages ago, someone was building up some theory that those small letters and the bottom of the cpu, "N" or "T" could have something to do with this...
And if im not in mistake this is the case also. I've had a N chip and now i have a T chip and their voltage/mhz relation is completely different.
That's my new word of the day now. :fact:
I'll take photos with my DMM as soon as i get things back up again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
I've had some problems with the board lately (as you may have seen by my other thread in this section) and now im hoping to build my WC this week, so things are just kind of ripped apart at my "work" table.
http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2900un8.jpg
A friend of mine with same stepping.
Just let it go, I was venting some frustration because of all to many people (and even reviewers) using software readings as the truth.
Guess on some motherboards it can even be pretty close, but on DFI's it's just way off. Or do you have one that magically reports accurate? If so, bring on the pictures!
I've got a DFI Ultra-D revision AB0.
ditto, as with virtually all of them, mine reads approx .02-.03v lower in software than what is set in bios. and the board actually overvolts a tad from the bios setting, adding to the discrepency, as can be measured with digi MM. this is also very typical of the DFI UT LP NF4s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gak
I don't think vOdka is trying to be a jerk or anything, just pointing out that this seems to be a near-universal truth with these boards:stick: you may very well have one of the very few that is closer to accurate :fact:
Or then, both DMMs that i have owned are just crap.
My board works just like you have described.
Seems AB0 revision does have some good things...
:fact:
I have a DFI and the bios is set to 1.475 for my CPU, my guardian says it's only 1.43 for my 2.75ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by v0dka
I can see where you are comming from......BTW the original poster has not posted any shots of stability.
I still say 3ghz@1.4 is amazing, but i'm still doubting it's anything but Windows stable.
:toast:
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Originally Posted by Gak
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Originally Posted by Gak
Hope this answers...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gak
Nice, but how's about a double Super Pi 1m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gak
:stick:
A 2X 32m Super Pi might make me convienced, you gotta use both cores.........STABLE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gak
:toast:
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Originally Posted by Gak
0618epmw...obviously SP1M single instance not stable...
SP1M @ 3150mhz :stick:
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/5...sp1mpa2.th.jpg
this is stable: 3030mhz ;)
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5...9hrszc7.th.jpg
Honesty is the best policy.......nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeyefan
:toast:
Hey hawkeyefan,Quote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
Do you think I would be better off using the 3X HTT multi instead of the 4X multi?
I'm to lazy to try it, I just want your opinion.
:toast:
yes for sure and that si maybe the casue of instability @ higher speeds
This as sounded to me pretty much like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
Gak is a liar...
:confused:
Language barriers, i guess?
my c-19 sli is waaay offQuote:
Originally Posted by v0dka
i set at 1.525, and it reports as 1.2...
but this is a intel-nvidia sli board
Awesome man, glad i could help. I doubt aria will bother telling me, so if you would, get back to me about the stepping etc. Use my PM box if you like m8. Good luck with your chip :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Firelord-OCHW
I'll post results once i get the cpu (tuesday/weds I can imagine)
Hopefully get a decent clocker as I have a X2 4400 CCBWE 0529 RPMW at the mo that tops out at 2.6GHz 1.57v (all the board has to give!) and core0 fails quickly on prime at even 2610
my 0619 toledo with the DFI RS482 doesnt clock so well.
1.55v for 2.8ghz..
but i think its the board and the insanely crappy mATX psu i have.
i have an ultra-d coming next week so i'll know for sure what its capable of.
Thanks man, i'll be waiting! Good luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Firelord-OCHW
x2 3800+ toledo WR... normal aircooling with freezer 64 pro 1.65v vcore
http://membres.lycos.fr/starostise/L...W/cpu-3428.PNG
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=117864
max htt @ 404MHz @ +50°C with coretemp and 43-44° with smartguardian
http://membres.lycos.fr/starostise/L...MW/max-htt.PNG
Geeez starostise, i'm impressed with just the screenie. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by starostise
Is it Prime or Super pi 32m stable?
:wave:
Good clocks bud :) can't wait to get mine under my Freezer 64 Pro now :D
hi all...
someone knows where to find a Toledo core 3800+ X2 in an european e-shop that accept credit card payment ???
I tried ebug but they are out of stock...
thank you
Roberto
Its arrived - LDBFE 0620VPBW is the stepping
What did your N chip do in comparison to your T chip? My 3800 has just arrived and its marked N on the corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gak
Not looking great at the moment :( Not sure whats holding me back but core0 fails very quickly again like my 4400+ does. This DC stuff has me stumped
unless you're under extreme cooling, it doesn't matter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Firelord-OCHW
Maybe aria didn't update their system when the new stock came in, but isn't that a Manchester core?!!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Firelord-OCHW
I just CTRL+F'd my way through 15+ pages of this thread and really didn't find out much about that stepping. There was a small amount of info, but it wasn't very positive.
Can anyone vouch for their similar chip performing decently?
Sure its an ADA3800AA5BX (will double check when back from work. Think it might be heat related so gonna chuck my dual core opty hsf w/ silverstone FN82 back on instead of arctic freezer 64 pro.
Think this cos whipped panel off and running no case side and rather than fail in a few minutes its failing after like an hour with two instances running (of P95 not orthos as that crashes straight away)
I order a x2 3800 LDBFE 0614 WPMW is that a good stepping?
Well mines not clocking very well at all so think gonna switch back to 4400+ @ 2.6GHz cos of the extra cache (this 3800+ seems to run hotter!) Not sure if its my board or CPU giving in.
Never mind man. What was the most you got out of it?
Well currently doing 2.7GHz 1.5v but core0 gives up way before core1. Core temps under load is about 55-57c.
Think gonna sell the 3800 and grab a OEM 3800 from scan for under £100.
Well thats really kinda hot, do you have adequate cooling?
No point getting another CPU if it's also gonna be 55+ degrees at load - get the temp down and that clock would most likely be stable.
Arctic cooling freezer 64 pro with AS5. Strange thing is is that the 4400+ I was running at 1.57v seemed cooler running than this 3800. It's actually an E4 revision as well not an E6 :(
helk on stepping please...I unseccesfully checked on google...
ADA3800DAA5CD (this is good - Toledo ones)
LCBBE 0629 GPMW
it looks like no one has this stepping...:(
y got one of this, still testing, but i reached 2800 1.42v, not 100% stable but i think with 1.475 will be stable at 2800mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostMaster
Just a note of interest, I got my x2 3800 to 2840 from 2800 by changing the MAL/RP from 8/6 to 9/6.5 respectively. Thats as high as she goes tho, as Core 1 peters out at 2850. Not bad for a $150.00 chip tho :)
I've just built a new budget rig with an X2 3800 in it.
LDBHE 0601TPEW stepping. So far I'm Orthos stable at 260 * 10, 1.35Vcore on an Asrock 939Dual-VSTA.
I am however a bit worried about temps. Speedfan has Temp1 at 37C, Temp2 at 62C, Temp3 at 60C and Core at 60C. These are whilst running Orthos by the way. It's also substantially higher than the hardware monitor in the BIOS shows. What gives? I'm using a Thermalright SLK948U with um... a big fan that I can't remember what it is. I haven't put on fresh Arctic Silver since I reseated the heatsink though, so that probably accounts for a degree or two.
I do think my biggest enemy here is heat. At 1.4Vcore, I couldn't last in Orthos for more than a few minutes at 263 HTT. 14 minutes the first time; when it failed I just started it again and it failed quicker. Just supposition though. I might do the Vcore mod and see where that gets me. If that doesn't help then I might try taking off the IHS.
I still have a 0601TPEW
it run REALLY hot but clock awesome ;)
It was your results that encouraged me to go for that stepping.
What sort of cooling did you use?
TT BT with Panaflo U1A and Sanyo denki (depend with BT i used)
the hard thing is controlling the toasty pwmic
Hi all, this is one of the first tests with my new x2 3800 socket 939:
CPU is one X2 3800 939 LDBFE 0614 WPMW
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1...tledkq6.th.jpg
im still testing to 2800 a 1:1 .:D
I'm hitting 56C load at everything stock setting with my BH-E4 chip on a Zalman CNPS7700, should I be as confused as I am? :mad:
What motherboard?
What are ambient temperatures like?
What about case temperatures?
Asus A8R32-MVP Deluxe (Which I'm gradually learning through experience is a crap board.)
As far as judging temps, I'm kind of ill-equipped in a dorm to get much in terms of accurate readings. Speedfan has kind of been my sole resource for temperatures recently.
As far as that goes currently, if it helps at all:
Temp1: 38C
Temp2: 37C
HD0: 39C
HD1: 36C
Core: 40C
I'm literally dumb as to temperature sensors for this board so far, so I'm not entirely sure which parts the first two indicate.
I'm not sure, you'll need to do a bit more research on it. But I imagine one of them is the chipset.
At stock settings that does seem a bit high given the heatsink you have, but I'm no expert. Could just be high ambient temps and not brilliant contact with the IHS.
@Supertim0r: did you ever remove the IHS? What has been your final results and temperatures?
Still testing new X2 3800 Toledo
LCBIE 0619 RPMW
2.8GHz @ default voltage
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4236/x22800gx7.th.jpg