This, i can ask.:rolleyes:
Do I have to provide admin login and password to setup an smp?
Would SMP be a great gain over 2 regular cpu client?
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This, i can ask.:rolleyes:
Do I have to provide admin login and password to setup an smp?
Would SMP be a great gain over 2 regular cpu client?
hi everyone, i have a old acer aspire 5520 with a amd turion 64 x2 @1.9ghz ( might try overclocking it if i can find some tweaked bios) with 2x512kb of cache, 3gb of ram a gefore 7000m and i want to run folding@home on it, should i run it on linuz and also with smp client and gpu client should i run on it ?
I think it needs admin, yes. But it has been a while since I ran it. Like well over a year - at that point, SMP was a touchy thing and I got fed up with babysitting it constantly.
I'd be concerned about heat. Laptops don't have the best of cooling for constant load like that, although some do handle it OK.
As metal mentioned, F@H generally doesn't like mobile GPUs. But you could give it a shot. Again, I'd be worried about heat....
Smp is worth trying as it should give more points.
I too have not done SMP for a year or so but I seem to remember getting 2 lots of around 2k2ppd on a q6600 @ 3.5 ish
apparently there is a newer SMP now that produces even more but I am not sure of its requirements
Edit: what rig are you wanting to use
i haver took off the motherboard of my notebook specially for heat problem. Ill will try it out for a couple of hour and see what happen and if temp are too high, i can go get a normal heatsink. Warranty is finished and i dont give a damm about this notebook, all my friend have comp so none need one and i have a couple of other rig i can use. So i can just go format, get ubuntu and f@h try out the gpu client and call it a day ?
While I'll not go into great depth about my project because it's legitimity has been questionned, they are e8400, no OC possible, and I guess I need to setup the client as a service. It would really be nice if I could setup a SMP because the file system would be simpler and the maintenance would be easier.
I estimate running time at 8h of logged time every day, and they probably run 24/7, if not they are shut down at night.
Response to both WFO and OldChap : The problem is that the login system is built by Novell and that means the password I use to login is not the real user password, but it only gives me acces to a certain file system that is centralized somewhere else.:shrug: Nonetheless, I'll try by wednesday! I'm in a really long weekend
Give it a go but u might want to consider some other options, NAS, file server, web server, firewall, blablablablablaaaaaaaaaaaa. Scavaging the HDD is another option :D
If you're not concerned about your electricity bill AND that your power adapter is sturdy (24/7 use will make it DAMN HOT, strap a fan on it), fah is a great option. REAL nice option:clap:
on linux the smp client is awesome. windows i haven't gotten it to work ( 1 attempt while drunk )
on another note, i've been folding for less than 30 days how am i orange already :O
for the moment my 500gb hdd is enough, so dont need nas, file server or web server, i also dont see the need of a firewall and the hdd is 1.8" 250gb so i better just let it stay there and use it for folding. just need to wait for my external drive enclosure cause the dvd is the notebook is broken to install linux and fah.
As for linux, i just go get ubuntu or any other linux, get the driver and fah and i am good ?
i have very basic knowledge for command, script and stuff like that,i would like it to be as simple as possible so i can explain to other people how to do it also. Still i have to wait for April 13th before i can set it up.
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Folding@home
i have not upgraded to 6.29 yet, but this guide for arch ( one of the better distros IMO ) worked great for me.
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=11852 foldingathome 6.02-2
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=11964 foldingathome-smp 6.29-1
To those who do linux, :bows:
I can't seem to wrap my head around it. I use it a little bit for some stuff like drive cloning and whatnot, but other than that, I'm useless with it. Guess I've used windows far too long :p:
Err... guys?
I came back over here because someone over at WCG mentioned that FAH now works on 5870 cards.. so I downloaded the 6.23 systray client, but at startup it says "your GPU is not supported".
Do I have to add something to the shortcut? I forgot what it was.. been a while...
Edit: NVM.. check http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=248938
Any input appreciated. Claiming at the insane rate of 4500PPD :p:
Poor HD5870... 3 Teraflops at 1Ghz core and it still sucks on FAH.
Hello not sure if i should post here or in a new thread but erring on the side of caution
I am lucky enough to have gotten an i7 980X and wanted to give it some folding to do
I installed the SMP2 MPICH client following the instructions here ]
when i run the client i am getting about 8% CPU usage (in win 7 task manager) and it looks like only 1 CPU core is being used which is not what i expected
so my ultra-noob question is, in order to get multi-core folding going, do i need to install the client multiple times? or are there other additional steps to take?
from the instructions it sounded like the 1 client could run multiple folding threads but that does not seem to be happening for me. i did note that in the initial install.bat run to configure the client, it properly identified the 12 CPU cores (6 X 2 hyperthreading)
any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Sounds like something is wrong with the config or flags but I am out of my depth with recent cpu folding....If no-one else has Ideas I will take a look after work
With a single Windows SMP2 client you're not going to saturate your rig, it scales not well enough and the points you get for watts used are mediocre at best. You need to run either purely on a3 Wus, a mix of a3 Wus and bigadv, or two bigadv at once.
To be able to answer whats best for you we'd need to know a few things here: Do you have at least 12gig of ram installed? Is your chip overclocked, if not do you plan to oc it?
At the moment I have it OCed to 3.66 with plans to push >4ghz+ once I figure out how to OC an i7 system properly (last rig was P45) (and reseat my heatsink (air)).
I have 6GB memory at the moment, may get another 6.
I also was planning to fold on my GPU (ATI 5870) on the same rig if possible.
Thanks for your help.
Okay, since you're lacking memory let's try and get you set up with a3 Wus.
You seem to have installed the right client, what arguments did you pass on to start it?
(as reference, go to step 15. See that -smp flag? Instead, put in -smp 12)
Further, for receiving a3 work units, you'll need a passkey. Go here. You need to put that in the configonly step. Now you should have a working a2 installation. Once you have 10 a2 units on that passkey, you should receive a3 units which receive bonus points based on return times per wu.
Does the client use at least more than one core now with the smp flag?
thanks again for the help
got a passkey, put in -smp 12
in windows task manager "processes" tab, looks like i've got
1 fah-mpich.exe *32 running (that's what i renamed the executable)
and 2 mpiexec.exe *32 running
weirdly, the reported cpu usage in win taskman for all three processes is 0 but the fah client is reporting progress and the "performance" tab in taskman shows what looks like 8 out of the 12 cores at 33-66% usage--assuming that's right it's definitely in the groove, or at least more than before. the only difference from before was adding the -smp 12 (i had a passkey already)
i've never seen a discrepancy like that from taskman but i don't often run cmd as admin--could that explain it?
also i originally had -advmethods but i removed that when i added -smp 12
should I re-add that flag?
thanks again
Yes, you can add that flag again. Without it it's possible that you might get a1 work units which are even worse for your rig. See any Fahcore_XX processes? Can you post your Fahlog so we can see what's going on?
My idea is that once you're running a3 Work units, we'll see about ram usage, and if it's possible we could add a VM with bigadv work to the mix to get those 12 threads really loaded up.
i must have gotten credit for some sporadic folding i've done over the years because the 2nd wu i got with the smp client was an a3--and it's using 100% of all 12 cores:
http://www.angrypedestrian.com/images/folding.png
now it's time to reseat my hsf and add that 2nd fan because this thing is cookin
if i wanted to add a gpu client on top of this what is the best practices for that?
thanks for the help
Very good, looks like it's working just fine. :)
When adding GPUs to the mix on everything else but XP you'd be well advised to run WinAFC64 to sort your affinities. Let CPU folding hog everything from thread 0-10 and let the GPU run on the last thread, that way you'll max out production on both.
If you upgraded to 12GB you could try running 4 threads for Windows a3 threads, a 7-thread VMWare VM for bigadv and the last thread as always for GPUs, I'd be interested in seeing what that could produce. (For Folding on virtualized Linux for bigadv always run VMWare, everything else will put penalties on your avg time per %)
i think you answered my question but why does bigadv need to run in a VM? is it because it is linux-only?
I got into folding too :) . Started yesterday and ill try to keep it up and running :up:
Great! :D
just breached the 3k+ mark :O got my ps3 quad 771 and my desktop running 1/2 way there
i seem to have angered the folding gods--after about 15 work units with a3 core my last work unit on SMP client is a 59-point WU on fahcore_78
is this because i missed a "preferred" deadline (but still made the final deadline) (wife slept the PC overnight)?
also even at my best, the 980X seemed to max out on <1000 ppd while i know people are getting 2300++ with this cpu, i must be doing something wrong
not OC'd (well mildly, 2 CPU multiplier steps up, so CPU freq is around 3.7ghz )
i'm also using GPU client on my ATI 5870 but that's on 1 core only (using WinAFC) per p2501's suggestions), so 10 or 11 cores are SMP
could be a reporting error, i suppose--i use fahmon and look at the ppd it shows in the main window--is that standard or is there a more reliable way to see PPD?
There must be something wrong if you get only 1k PPD, 11 threads @ 3.7GHz should produce something entirely different, even without bonuses.
Do you have the box folding 24/7 or some hours a day? Checking taskman, is it really always pegged at 100% on all threads? Is it properly cooled (i.e. could it be that it's running into thermal throttling)? Do you run some CPU-heavy apps beside folding?
Besides, the PPD reported by FahMon are pretty reliable.
I haven't checked to see if fahmon has been updated to properly show the bonus points on a3 WUs, but I do know hfm (hfm.net) does.
lol it would be funny (with my apologies for wasting your time) if this came down to my wife sleeping the PC every night. . . i will have to look into that.
but i note that FahMon lists the GPU at 4500+ PPD even if i run it only a few hours a day, so intermittent folding with the SMP should also show a more or less instant PPD rate, corrrect?
but regardless, CPU was pegged at 100% on all threads except now it is not because of my core_78 work unit (at 12% or so, with 5 of the 10 cores idle). strangely, the 1 thread dedicated to the GPU client is running 100%.
I'm gonna re-check my settings and run SMP alone without GPU for a day or two and see what WUs and PPDs I get.
// edit : thanks Sir Loin, will try hfm instead of fahmon
OK so I restarted the SMP client and it discarded the core_78 WU and I got a massive a3 wu in its place
it turns out if I run SMP on all 12 threads (it maxes all at 100%) HFM gives me a PPD of ~20,000K -- fantastic, if true
so then I add my GPU client on one of the threads, reserving 11 for SMP and 1 for the GPU client.
it seems that adding the GPU freezes up the SMP client--taskman still shows all 12 threads at 100% but there is no progress reported in HFM or in the SMP log file. before I started the GPU, the SMP was racking up 1% progress every 7-8 minutes but with the GPU, 40 minutes go by with no progress, even with 12x100% CPU usage. on top of this, it takes a full reboot to get to a point where the SMP client will run and report any progress, i.e, simply shutting down the GPU client and restarting SMP doesn't work, it just picks up where the last cycle stalled and stays stalled.
If I get the SMP client running and let it run alone, it continues the 7 min/1% rate of progress, apparently indefinitely.
i am thinking this is either due to a conflict in the way i set up the clients or something is overheating or throttling which locks up the SMP client but apparently does not otherwise affect stability.
realtempGT shows CPU temps in the high 60s, sometimes pushing up to 73C or so, but mostly less than that, which I think should be safe,
and the everest "northbridge" sensor reports <65C at max loads.
try rerunning the -configonly flag and set your priorities. Since the ATI card won't produce nearly the pointage of the smp (if the numbers from hfm are correct), set the smp client to LOW and the gpu to IDLE. Be certain each has a different machine id as well (1 and 2). If this doesn't help, try unlocking the gpu from a single cpu core.
I've run these two clients simultaneously on a few linux boxen, so I'm thinking you should be able to. :)
Okay, it seems temps aren't the culprit here.
Did you set -smp 11 and sorted these 11 threads together with one free for gpu or did you just set -smp? I f 12 processes are sorted to 11 threads maybe it results in timing issues between them. Leave out the GPU at first and try to get 11 threads maxed with actual production... then report. :)
New to the forums and an avid Folder. although I fold for another team # we are all on the same team in a sense. Hopefully we can learn from each other and all gain from helping each other.
My many thanks for the advice I have received thus far. And hopefully in the future I can return the favor. I am currently building a portable Folding Farm that will be going out to trade shows and events to raise the awareness of Folding at Home. A project like the one I am currently working on takes allot of time, money and effort. Through this process I have made quite a few contacts that can be quite helpful in this sort of project. I am not telling you this to brag but to enlighten you to the fact that you can get sponsors to help offset the costs of building and running such a setup. FoldingForTheFuture is a non-profit org working towards bring awareness to the cause. If there is any way I can help anyone here just speak up.
Folding For The Future
EG
I'd like to be able to run F@H and BOINC at the same time. Anyone care to tell me the correct way to make this happen? :shrug: I'm using the machine listed in my sig file. Thanks all. Currently I'm running BOINC/WCG @ 100% cpu.
oh shoot noob error UE! I thought Folding was GPU based. I guess it's CPU based so I should just stick with BOINC instead of running both BOINC and Folding right? TY
Hi Frogeye! :wave:
FAH is actually CPU and GPU based - they have a client for each. I run WCG on my CPU and FAH on my GPU right now :)
I believe there is some little trickery you gotta do to get the radeon 5000 series folding - can't remember off the top of my head (I'm running a 4870) but I'll try to look it up.
I believe with the 5000 series you have to use a force flag setup, but i believe at this time about 85% usage of the GPU is what you will get. That is until Standford gets done working on the client.
EG
hey there everyone just installed fah504 on my machine under linux mint. never folded before:eek: but my client keeps getting assigned ip 0.0.0.0
from what i gather im just waiting for an assingment thats right for my machine is this correct?
heres a copy of what im getting
Code:- Connecting to assignment server
[20:49:27] - Successful: assigned to (0.0.0.0).
[20:49:27] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[20:49:27] Work Unit has an invalid address.
[20:49:27] - Error: Attempt #7 to get work failed, and no other work to do.
Waiting before retry.
got it working now changed :Allow receipt of work assignments and return of work results greater than
5MB in size (such work units may have large memory demands) (no/yes) [no]? y.... from no to yes and bam it working
now how do i keeps track of progress/ pts/ my username which is different than the one im using in the forums and i did make my team # 36362
Hello there and welcome aboard! For tracking progress locally you can use FahMon, on the net there's eoc for example. Don't find you there though, did you already send in work units on that nick?
idk lol im just letting it run havent done anything else dunno how.... so far im.. 65000 out of 250000 steps (26%).. and its used about 75 gigs of disk space.... i hope it deletes it when its done:confused:
edit: oh and my name in foh program is Savage3306
and why does this seem too limit @50% of cpu usage?
well finished 2 wu's 1st used 50% cpu, then reboot let 2nd run over night it only used about 25% now started on 3rd and still only using 25%. this is using the system in my sig. ive look @ running 2 instances but as it seems right now that only put me @ 50% again.:shrug: and atm im only getting 265.85 ppd :/ on a positive note i have a score of 395 and just started last night :) is that ok?
Sounds like it is either core limited or it isn't running the SMP units.
What project # is it working on currently?
Hey guys!
I'm no xtreme folder, but my HD4850 wants to stretch its legs a little now and then, so I'm gonna let it run a couple of hours/day for this team :)
Well figure to throw in a few points with yalls team over the next few days as I have my hardware offline doing some repairs. My PPD wont be all that for now and will only be folding will yall for a couple of days. But my next expansion of the farm will be folding 24/7 for 36362
FoldingForTheFuture
EG
I'm a bit confused here, shouldn't two clients with the same passkey have the same user id?!
Edit: And of course, a warm welcome to our new comrades, have a nice stay! =)
Well I am fortunate enough to be able to output enough PPD to make some headway in just a couple of days. I am still trying to tweak all of this hardware for optimal PPD. But shortly will have to drop all of my GPU back to stock because of heat.
FoldingForTheFuture
EG
I have been trying to follow your progress.. that is a huge ppd, are you focused on cpu or gpu?
http://www.xcpus.com/folding/Folding...ortDirection=1
For some reason i dont show up on the team list.
Doing cpu + 2 gpu now, fans making some huge noise!!
I am not sure they are any longer updating the table you linked to. you do appear in this one.
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.c...s=&t=36362&p=5
Your PPD output doesnt look right for 2 400 series GPUs
As for what i use to get my PPD so high is a GPU farm with a few CPUs running SMP clients. I only have about half of my hardware online at this time. I took it down for maintaince the other day and damaged a 4 way SLI mobo that i will be replacing today or tomorrow.
Thanks for spotting that list for me.
Not sure about totals on line. i keep stopping and starting so much during these crashes. Here is a screen shot of the clients running. Hope everything is stable now.
http://home.comcast.net/~jcheck10/folding.jpg
GPU farm!! now i see why Nvidia is excellent, cuda is way ahead of open cl. What type of Mobo you changing to? EVGA?
I am just changing out a EVGA 4 way sli mobo for another, no biggie.
But yea in the GPU market Nvidia holds the crown in F@H. But maybe we will see better support for ATI in the near future. I had to sacrifice part of the farm not long ago because the cost of running it was getting to high. During the summer our electric company has two 3 hr slots you receive a penalty for using electricity in, at a rate of over 7.00 dollars per KWH. So something had to give.
Ello Gooses, Dogs, Sparkies & rest
I've been trying to make the F@H SMP client to run.
It Runs , Detects the CPU correctly as a 6 threaded , downloads an a3 Core but I get 480 Project cores that take quite a lot of time. So I stopped it after a while,
started BOINC and WCG which loads the core and crunches since yesterday for loads and loads of points happily.
Anything that changed in the meantime I last F@H'd SMP ?
by the way I know I should load the GTX 480 with F@H but I'm sorry I can't ...
Penalty ?
Oh by the way 36 Degrees Celsia fully loaded on air ? Beat me Intel Guys :p:
Hey guys,
I'm super new to everything which should make an awesome learning experience. Unfortunately this is like the only beginners thread I can find. So what sort of folding do you guys do? how exactly to these teams work like does the whole team fold for the same cause or two??
Thanks in advance guys.
:welcome:
Hi and thanks for stopping in!
Unlike some other grid computing projects where you can target your work towards specific cures, folding is more simple in that all the work go towards the same objective, which is protein folding research. This research is fundamental to how molecular processes function (and malfunction) and thus creates a greater understanding of diseases. The hope is that the research will provide insights that lead to cures!
The research is divided into "work units" that each user fetches from the Stanford servers, computes, and then returns. Users can group themselves together onto teams. Stanford awards "points" for each work unit successfully returned to their servers. Points are then aggregated up by user and by team and voila! you have competition between users and teams!
XS is currently the 19th ranked folding team in the world. There are a few hard core folders here, but honestly participation in the XS folding team has dropped dramatically since the recession has hit. Depending on how many points you want to "score", you can really use up some electricity! But it's a very personal choice if you want to fold and how much...every little bit helps!
Hey Kondik:
I was running a stock cooler which was useless. I replaced it with a TRUE and easily got to 4.0 Ghz with great temps. With nothing else running the smp would get 15K+ PPD. I run 4 8800 GTS' on the same rig. That drops the points to 12,844 PPD. How does that compare with your rig? I only have 4 GB PC 1600 DDR3.
That's an evil question WFO, since I couldn't make the client run properly I left it at WCG only , no FAH for this baby.
But the temps are still epic , and since winter comes and I leave the window open is deadly cold.
I have no idea why you had problems. You've been around sooo long. I'm sure you were using the latest version. :shrug: F@H smp runs well on all my rigs. There are some very slow WUs. 8 minutes + per frame. :rolleyes:
My X6 1090T is currently running @ 41C. 80F ambient on air. I'm using 1.424 v-core. :)
Guys, just a quick Q: I found a stripped 8800 GTS 640 (G80) in the trash :ROTF:
Did a ghetto haxxx0r mod involving an Intel boxed cooler and what can I say - it works :D
Anyway, I haven't been folding in a while due to my main cards being ATIs. But I noticed there's a GPU V3 client by now - installed, but the card didn't want to crunch.
Installed the old GPU V2 and it works.. does GPU V3 in general not work on older cards?
I *think* (not sure since I've not tried) that GPU3 is only for the most recent gen cards.
Ok, thanks Sparky :up:
We'll see if the card still runs tomorrow, or if it goes up in smoke :rofl:
From memory I lowered core and ram clocks, but increased shader clocks to about 1300... maybe it can do more, but I'd like to see if it really works long-term first :)
It's the ultimate stability test, for sure. Sometimes I feel bad for these cards, originally designed to run hard for a few hours at a time, then we take them and thrash them 24 hours a day, 7 days a week :rofl: Well, I don't, mine go idle for a few hours overnight as my internet gets turned off each night (running a Sprint air card).
Wow, no posts in this thread in a year. Hopefully somebody responds. I finally got around to joining the Xtreme Folding Team - planning to use my modest rig and PS3 to contribute to the cause.
However, I have been getting BSODs after some unknown amount of time. I thought my overclock was rock stable, having run small FFTs, memtest86+, etc. etc. without any issues for years. Due to my AMD card, I am trying the new beta v7. People on the stanford forum indicate that their software having a beta error would not cause BSOD, so it must be hardware or drivers.
Right now I think I will knock my CPU/ram overlock back to defaults and see if I can fold for a week or something without BSOD. That would show whether my CPU overclock is somehow at fault. Otherwise I might be forced to conclude that my graphics card likely cannot fold at factory clocks.
Also, I noticed my GPU-z shows the GPU at around 50-70% of usage (8 i7 CPU threads are at 100%). Some people seem to get closer to 100%, but that could be related to the beta, my AMD card (vs. NVIDIA), gremlins, etc.
Anyone have any advice or experience? Thanks! Looking forward to contributing!
People will tell you to do all you can, but i will say the Ps3 isn't worth it for the PPD/watt.
You should go back to stock and play some games, if the card still acts up return it. IDK how the ATI client is coming along but with that monster rig you should skyrocket past users for a good while if you're just starting up.
I managed to get my rig a little less laggy, but the people using it still say "Why is it running so slow?" "It's the mouse i think" (wireless) :rofl:
Thanks for the response! Nice to see people are still alive around here. I suspect PS3 is better than you realize. The "slim" version like I have only uses 100 watts or so, much better than the older PS3. Also, I think I read on the F@H forums that the points from PS3 are capped. Supposedly you are getting alot more science done than the points would lead you to believe.
I suspect my computer uses about 300 watts for the overclocked i7 and another 300 for the GPU. So it had better be a ton faster to match the PS3.
Currently I am reoptimizing and checking my overclock to be extra sure it is stable. From there I'll work on getting things happy as far as games/folding. That'll give me an excuse to play more BF3 (as if I needed one).
I have joined the cause with a PS3. Its folding 24/7. 8 WUs complete allready, 244ns/day (?). Its at my workplace so i dont care about the power bill :)
:welcome: and thanks!
Hello, everyone!
I'm actually member of overclockers.ua (from Ukraine) and I just want to post message, but don't know, what thread I must post it in.
And it looks like I have no respective permissions..
I just want to present to you our nice new Sidebar Gadget called F@H Monitor 1.0.
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My design, Dr.Oz's code. It's useful only for monitoring V6 Clients. Try it here.
That is sweet!
Is there any thread about monitoring stats, where I could post link on our gadget?
BTW, soon V7 Client will be supported. Also there will be available detailed user and team stats in the fly-out.
Any updates on support for V7?