everything is relative ;)
and everyone has his own exigence :stick:
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everything is relative ;)
and everyone has his own exigence :stick:
i did the comparison between both before making my final choice...
I don't know the Sanyo Denki...
Some great news not just for me but for the whole OC community that someday might play with Asus MB and Dothan. There is a NEW way and very eazy way of doing P4p800se vcore mod. Any newb with soldering iron can do it. I wont take credit for this one. The credit goes to Russian man that fixis TV and radios for 30 years, I think he was fixing them while they still had lamps as transistors . He never even seen a MB before i think but was able to figure out what some MB vmoders here did not. And it took him less then 5 min by looking at the pcb thru magnifying glass. The older vmod required to solder a wire to #8 pin on the chip. As i stated before it's almost impossible to do without superb soldering skills and good equpment.
It all happen when i drove to the Radio Repair shop. When i asked him to soldre a wire to the pin#8, he sayd ok il try but i cant gurantee you anything. I was like WTFC i dont want to loose my MB.
So he looked at it for 2 min and said that pin#8 has a direct connection to one of the resistor below this chip and there for i dont need to solder a wire to the pin since the voltage resistance can be change directly from this resistor. At first i did not belive him since i knew that alot of Vmoders from XS has been looking for a way to Vmod this board.
So we tested with voltmeeter and it turnd out that there is a direct connection between two. Then he solder the wire to the ressistor , i paid the owner $10 and gave the guy $5 tip just for finding this stuff out. Now at any givin time i can Vcore mod my MB cause it easy to solder a wire to resistor it frkn huge compare to the pin.
Take a look at this pic. Vcore mod done eazy;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=34876&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=34877&stc=1
I was just lokking at the Asus Supported Boards List and read this in the Q&A's
3. May I still enjoy the original advanced overclock and others ASUS special features of my MB if the CT-479 is installed?
A: Definitely yes ! That's why we provide CT-479 Upgrade Kit for Intel Pentium M CPU on ASUS MB (Note: the only exception is the CPU voltage, which cannot be adjusted through BIOS because the CPU power comes from the CT-479, not from the motherboard.)
Does this mean that all the vcore changes in the bois are for show?
I'm not sure extra Vcore beyond the 1.6 from the bios will help that much. Seems like these P-Ms benefit more from sub-ambient cooling than voltage after a point.
Had A play with a 2gig 400 bus Dothan, a phase unit and an old P4P800E I had, the wifey now has my P4C800 and 1.6 533 unit ;)
182fsbx16 under phase was the best i could do.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=34893&stc=1
Ram is old OCZ EB at 2.5-2-2-5, vcore was 1.45V vdimm 2.85, 1.6vagp
hi bigtoe, remember you in the past with the p4b533 trick (abxzone)....
Quote:
Originally Posted by railer
As a "newbee" to this forum and to this subject... :)
I am the proud owner of a system based on P4800 SE, Dothan(Sonoma) 730, CT-479.
This thread/guide states VCore -> 1.6 for P4800SE..
My system/Bios.. also SpeedFan/EverestHome reports a VCore of 1.58 (Bios 1008).. I have also tried Bios 1009.004.. which gives the option of setting MP and VCore from 1.500 to 1.600 in 0.010 increments (if I remember correctly).
EIST reports max VCOre of 1.3 (or that about).. so does also CPU-Z... Does this mean that my system/board/BIOS runs at default VCore for my P-M 730 ? Or does the board really overvolt the CPU to 1.58 as "stock"?
Currently my system max'es out at 12x218=2616.. which is more than OK.
But is there any gains in a VCore mod? Is the "usual" pin-mod (in the socket) a way to increase the OC potential for this board/system?
Is the P4P800 SE a good board for CT-479? For me it seems that most "clockers" uses P4C800 (i875) which make me think that perhaps P4P800 SE was not such a good choise as I first thought...
Many questions... any answers? :)
Ok guys. I need some help.
System is
730 Dothan
P4C800-E Deluxe
512mb bh-5
I just recieved this board today. I booted and loaded windows with a P4 2.66 cpu with no problems what so ever. I updated to the beta bios on the first page of this thread and then shut down the pc, cleared cmos, installed the ct-479 and 730, connected the power to the ct-479 and set the jumpers on it to 533fsb. I then turn the system back on and then NOTHING. Won't boot into bios, just black screen. I then reinstalled the 2.66 P4 and went to the asus website and tried another ct-479 friendly bios. Reinstalled the ct-479 and 730 and nothing, same thing.
Can someone please help/advise me on what to try to get this thing going.
Thanks
ok, just a few basics:Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
1) Try to boot with 1x stick ram.
2) Make sure power is connected to ct479
3) Make sure P-M is inserted into socket AND locking screw is turned 180 degrees til it stops!!
4) Clr CMOS...
5) Move ram to different slots
6) Video card completely inserted?
Hmmm.... I doubt if it's a bad 730!!
C
Ok, I went down the list and still no boot. I ordered another ct-479 because I don't think the 730 is bad either. Thanks for helping charlie.
This is the cpu I bought.
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec....iteria=BA21378
:shrug:
Sparkie34:
The problem may also be a incompatible/"defect" mainboard.
Had similar problems with my first P4P800 SE (bought as "demo" from a Webshop). Would boot with a "ordinary" CPU (Willamette) but did not always boot/function stable with CT-479 and M-730.
Ordered a new P4P800 SE (returned the old/refunded) which works flawlessly.
i feel your pain sparkie34....this is my history:
1) as i had laying around my old and trusty p4c800-e deluxe i tried about two months ago with one m750 with ct-479....first day with asus stock heatsink all went great....then i prepared insulation to mount next day custom phase change...and then nothing.....system starts but no signal on screen.... :confused: i unmounted phase change to check for condensation (nothing at all...) or cracked core (again nothing....appeared to be in perfect condition...)...put in some spare 478 processors to test motherboard.....and all was running perfect....put m750+ct479 in and nothing...so it seemed i somewhat broke ct-479 or m750... :(
2) i borrowed a p4p800se from a friend and flashed it to support dothan and tried my "dead combo" just for curiosity and again it didn't work....so to another step....
3) i bought another asus ct479 adapter to check if m750 was dead or not....tried it on my board and on friend's board and nothing...dead m750 it seemed.... :(
4) i got two weeks ago one m770 so i could finally enjoy the dothan....tried it on my second and almost new ct-479 with stock asus heatsink...and.... :eek: it didn't work too....!!!!...tried it with my old ct-479 and it didn't work neither....tried both adapters on my friend's p4p800se and didn't work....so i went "what the **** mode on".... :mad: two boards...two adapters....two dothans and i still don't know what the hell is happening....lololol 478 goes perfect...479 just went well the first day...since then is a no go with any combination....well maybe my m770 was bad from the beginning but it is weird....and whatever is happening i couldn't have worst luck.... :confused:
anyway i'm going to test dothan yes or yes.... ;)
*note: of course i tried flashing bios (with /n /pbnc switches) a A LOT of times....floppy drive never worked so hard.... :D
My history so far.
1. Buy a 715... find out the b1's can't go much over 160-180fsb
2. Trade/Buy a 730... It gets stuck at 210fsb
3. Buy a 735 to trade for another 730 or a 740 It's pretty cool. Good to about 2660 on stock CT479 cooler with 1.49vcore But FSB is ass so I go ahead with the trade...
4. 730 which should arrive in a week or so... hopefully will do 300x10 on air @ 1.5vcore with my 7000alcu 1:1 with my tccd ;) Hey don't burst my bubble.
guys, my combo hasn't arrive but i'm already scarred about having big troubles with it :confused:
what is the best combo these days?
Dothan with asus p4C800 and asus convertor
or
Dothan with asus p4gd1 ?
greetz
p4c800 will be faster clock per clock but with p4gd1 you have the possibility of using pci-express if you want a new graphics card....
thx!
and what is better a banias 400fsb cpu or a dothan 533 cpu?
Quote:
Originally Posted by evil_raver
That's not what I wanted to hear. :( I have another ct-479 on the way along with another board. This time around I'll try the p4p800se. We'll see what happens. Thanks for the input guys.
I think that the odds are pretty good for you. I have 4 CT-479's, 6 Dothans and 6 variants of P4P800's and every one has booted without issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
Quote:
Originally Posted by koensa
Dothan Stomps all over Banias and doesn't stop to ask its name.
The general look of things here is Majority of ppl have hardly any setup problems, so you should be o.k
Quote:
Originally Posted by c0V3Ro
don't worry mates....;) as they said most of the people don't have any problem with them...i myself didn't have a single problem the first day running it until i somewhat killed my 750 when mounting the phase change... :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
i think it's me that just got very bad luck with my 770 that came bad from the beginning....i'm going to try a cheap 730 very soon so i hope i can see what happened.... :p: the third will be the good one....and then the fourth will be even better with 780....:D
@koensa: dothan will be a lot better than banias.... and 400fsb dothan vs 533fsb dothan....533fsb ones will let you rise your fsb a lot more.... :)
good luck with your dothan-powered machines...!!!! :toast:
that is the only one that works, then there were a beta 1023 bios, but they have bot changed anything from beta time, just renamed a file, inside it is still that good 1023 beta. so you are only with this bios... 7x does not works and gets you 6x, 8x does not boot at all - so it DOES NOT work. then other are fine and the Vcore is fine, just undervolting constantly at about 0.05V
check your setup again, maybe you just did not lock your CPU... it with a screwdriver. or maybe it's your mobo.
try reflashing it with 1023 bios from official site and with p4 installed.
Troman where in blegium did u bougt asus convertor?
The problem was my board guys.
Here is my first run with the Asus stock cooler for the CT-479 :D
New board is a P4P800SE :woot:
Finally after two weeks of struggling i got my p4gd1 and 760 to work :banana:
But i found out i am missing one of these white thingys that hold the racket(the square black thingy where you attach your cooler) on the socket, so basically i cant try huw fast my dothan could go :(
With W/C i have managed to get 45c idle and aroun 60+ stress temperatures :zombie:
Maybe better luck tomorrow. Im gonna do some ghetto patent on it. Atleast i can surf the internet and maybe try some gaming tonigh.
Soo hopefully tomorrow some serious overclockings. ;)
so there is banias, dothan and sonoma
who can make me a > < = table?
example : banias < sonoma < dothan
is this true?
Sonoma is not a core, it's a platform, just like Centrino.Quote:
Originally Posted by koensa
There's only Banias and Dothan.
533 FSB Dothan is the one you're looking for.
explain this then
Yes Dothan is made to work on the Sonoma platform. Why do you think it is between brackets?
confused dealer...Quote:
Originally Posted by koensa
Easy to explain, the information given there is false.Quote:
Originally Posted by koensa
Pentium M 730 is 533 FSB Dothan, it even has nothing to do with Pentium 4 Mobile as stated in your screenshot.
indeed ! :)
the dealer sells 3 kind of chips, dothan, banias and sonoma, to i thought there was a new cpu or something :)
but now i am very confused, wich cpu should i buy?
this is the link to the shop ( if not allowed plz remove )
http://www.hpm-computer.de/assets/s2...m-computer.de/
but i cant figure out wich chip is the right one for my needs
Any Pentium M 7x0 will fit your needs, where x is a number between 3 and 8 (from 730 to 780).Quote:
Originally Posted by koensa
If you want to buy for a better price:
http://www.tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/294
Get yourself a nice Dothan like the 730, 740 or 750. All 7*5 cpu's are 100mhz Dothans and you should never buy one of these.
Thank you all !
:toast:
Cool! :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
Thank You for posting the answer.. same problem I had with my first P4P800 SE it seems...
Very good result at SuperPi...
My best is 29 at 215x12@DDR530@2.5-3-3-6 :confused:
Ok guys. This is going to be top speed with this rinky dink heatsink that came with the ct-479 :p:
I just got done doing the vdimm mod for the board. I don't think 26's are going to be too far out of reach when I get the zalman mounted up. ;)
:woot:
Which vdimm mod are you talking about.. and for what purpose? I thought vcore/FSB-clock was much more important in Super-Pi..Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
I'm still confused about actual vcore my Dothan receives.. as I do not believe it's 1.58 according to Bios/CPU-Z... more like 1.32 as EIST shows it...
Vcore works fine with my p4p800se. I did the vdimm mod shown at malvescorner.net
Bumped up my vdimm so I can run my BH-5 at 2-2-2
Quote:
Originally Posted by TL1000S
well, guys, have you ever thought of trying different vcores at the same fsb/speed and check the temperatures? raising vcore, rises the temp, just check if you are not sure.... on P4c800 vcore works as in bios :9
Hi,
My P-M 730 arrived yesterday, i could put it at 216x12 = 2592Mhz memory syncronous with stock cooling at 1.6v completely stable.
It can do SuperPI 1M at 222x12 which gives me 28s.
I want to know if i can put memory at 4:5 (cpu:mem) and what benefits i would have, of course i would need a good pair of mem sticks.
Any recomendation for 4:5 at 216Mhz so the memory can be at 270Mhz with the best possible timmings?
Another question, could i expect better overclocking with watercooling at the same 1.6vcore ?
The cpu temperature is way to high in load, almost 70ºC at stock cooling.
ive bought 1 .. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by alexio
but i only paied 70£ for it and not 150 new :woot:
atm 2.4 gig @ stock volts @ 145 x 17 :slapass: fsb
If i understood the multis are working for P4P800 SE with the beta bios 1009.003 . I'm assuming that i will not have problems to boot at 201Mhz if i buy a PM760 . Is that coorect ?
BTW , the link for the beta BIOSses is not working for me . Can you guys give a link for P4P800 SE beta 1009.003 ?
Thanks a lot :D
1009.003 isn't up any more, but 1009.004 is. Here's a link:Quote:
Originally Posted by toledo
ftp://ftp.asus.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/S...5pe/P4P800_SE/
Either should do multi and allow 201 boot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hmsrolst
Thank you :)
I'm going to PM760 :toast: .
Why does it help? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
My OC results will be the same regardless of the jumper settings ?
Got my 730 hooked up :)
My RAM's running kinda slowly, 5:4 2-2-2-5.. It's 2x512 KHX BH-5, so they aren't exactly flying @ 2.85V :)
Should be able to get them to 250 with 2,2,2,5 PAT on with 3.4-3.6v
2750Mhz at 1.425v ? That's goood!! Where is your P-M 730 from, philipines or malaysia? and what's the Package date?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathias-K
Mine does 2.674 @ 1.425... Tomorrow I'm going to do the wire mod and try to set up my waterblok on it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike@Portugal
Do you know any waterblock that fits without mods ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor_Sniper
Guys ,what is the lowest multi available in the bios (p4c800-e dlx and p4p800se ) for a pm750/760 ? Are all multis available ?
No don't know any waterblocks that fit without modding....
the lowest multi that really works is 9, 8 does not work, 7 gets you 6, and 6 does not boot weel at high FSB, thye best is 9 for your highest FSBQuote:
Originally Posted by toledo
Quote:
Originally Posted by bcn
Ok . Thanks guys . I`ve heard that 865/875i chipsets does not like winbond UTT chips . Is it true ? Does it perform better with bh-5 chips ?
I guess those Kingston in your rig are bh-5 . Am i right ?
Is it possible when not having the right bios the system wont even post and the elco's / conducters make a peeep noise?
UTT and 875 865 don't mix so goodQuote:
Originally Posted by toledo
Howcome you guys doing wire mods and stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor_Sniper
Most new bios versions gives 1.6vcore from bios :shrug:
What about the 915P and UTT? Anyone got info about them?
My mobo is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed, 1.6 vcore gives me 1.425... But wire mod isn't workingQuote:
Originally Posted by stryg
:( Will try too fix the board tonight or smthing
I am not sure actually, i think they are TCCD, cause they can run at 3-4-4-8 at liek 250MHz 2.85V, but won't do more than 205 at 2-2-2-5. I have one module 512mb which i think IS BH-5, cause it runs 1005 stable at 225 at 2-2-2-5 and boots at 240 at 2-2-2-5, but as I recall it does not do cas3, only 2.5Quote:
Originally Posted by toledo
but I have only one module, cause the other was defect and I had to replace it, and they are not produced anymore, so hopefully I will get another one KHX ultra
MAYDAY MAYDAY :para:
I have a problem i have never seen.
With my dothan 760 with P4GD1 i cant do over 151fsb even with lower multis like 10x or so. So basically my maximum overclock is aroun 2250mhz(15x151)
I have tried both 100 and 133 jumper settings and nothing changes. Tried vcore from 1.4v to 1.7v. Tried to loosen the mem latencies. Tried to up the chipset voltage.
Cooled with boxed cooler around 48-60c and with water 42-56c <-- i think those are quite high temperatures as my friend is running his dothan under 40c with boxed @ 2600mhz.
What should i try next :dammit:
Raise the PCI-E bus or what the name is.
Got it in 110... but people have said you dont have to raise it before 220fsb
Believe me i have read that many many times. I even use the same bios settings.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sume4
Do you guys know a place in the US to buy a P4GD1 ?
I`m not finding it anywhere .
k|ngp|n couldn't find them either.Quote:
Originally Posted by toledo
He ordered his in europe, i thought in the UK.
I haven't found them yet in Belgium :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by vegeta
Seems to be available only in Europe and Japan :( . What is going on with this board ? Asus is not producing it anymore ?
Alot of distributers don't buy these boards cause they think it isn't a logical combo (s478+pci-e) and not futureproof (at the end they will have huge stock non-selling mainboards).Quote:
Originally Posted by toledo
Cause s775 is kinda replacing the "old" s478 (in Belgium there are stores don't have s478 in their list anymore). And the fact that in the future(even now) the CPU will be the borttleneck of the system.
A dothan/7800gtx combo roxx :slobber: :D
*lol*, I guess we're lucky, we have an abundant supply of P4GD1 here =)
Here's all my sealed Pentium M + P4GD1 + CT-479 system: http://sleektech.nl/~dm/temp/ct479/pm-trio.gif
I am still too lazy to put them together :(
hey you dothan gurus. I was shoping around and want a nice cheepo powersolution. I looked around and some are considering the celeron M. I was looking around and I saw a cheep celeron M at about 83bux as boxed from intel and I saw a ct479adaptor for about 45bux. I own a p4p800-dlx (non e) so I figured I could build a nice little low power server or posibly a little monster for my games and give my main rig a breack.
So any thoughts on the celeron M ?
Any experiences overclocking these chips?
Do these chips sufer from the same problems the 400fsb dothans sufer from? (low fsb syndrome)
and how well do these things oc? (id like to see 2.4ghz out of it, 2.6ghz would be ideal yeilding me 200% clock speed) is this realistic?
Now I realise there are allot of threads around but frankly no one awknowleges the little celeron that dosent cast an arm and a leg.
Point being is, should I go for it or not?
as I recall multi is locked in celerons, but there are only speculations on if they are capable of 200FSB, i would presume YES, but I do not know, just try man, then always you can change to dothan, besides, i think it would do 2GHz at least
It's a phillipine 03/01/2005 SL86G. It's fast, and i'm aiming for more today.. :) How high can you go with the Vcore with just the normal heatsink?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike@Portugal
Weee! I did just get my new dothan cpu and the adapter! Now I just wait for the P4GD1 to arrive, should be here tomorrow! :P
You've got the same pack date as me :D
I'm getting 2 more Dothans tomorrow, my current one has troubles hitting a high fsb and craps out at 2600mhz which isn't enough to my liking.
Razor Sniper, how does it perform?
Which chip are you using ? What is the max fsb are you geting ? Can you do at least 237x11 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
2.7 @ 1.425 vcore ( air cooled ) can't test further cause my mobo is quite :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed :( 1.425 is the max vcore I can get...Quote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
Oh nice! Hope I can go for the same speed! :D
Where did you buy it ? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Razor_Sniper
Uh, I just got my Dothan today with P4C800-E Deluxe and CT-479. But it keeps giving me "System failed due to cpu overclocking" post messange and I dunno how could that be, because cooler (stock CT-479) is placed good and I cannot overclock without even seeing bios. Maybe I should change jumpers on CT-479 for 133 or it is already set? Maybe bios is too old to support Dothan? But how can I upgrade it then? Thanks for help!
I'm not 100% sure that it's the dothan that's causing the problem and not the mobo but I can get them so cheap that i can sell them for more than I buy them for.Quote:
Originally Posted by toledo
I can't boot past 225mhz fsb I believe, 230mhz is no boot and I tested nothing between 225mhz and 230mhz. In windows I can run it at about 245mhz max. The best result you can get with this cpu is 11*237 or a little higher, as long as it is not more than 2650mhz I think it is 24/7 stable.
It is a rather early Dothan 740 from I believe 1/28/2005. I'm getting newer cpu's this time. Maybe the maximum fsb you can reach is also determined by how new the cpu is.
Every PM730 is a SL86G :D .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathias-K
http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/rese...rts/182404.htm
But 2.75Ghz with less than 1.5v is really impressive .
Nice chip :toast:
Anyone?
Check at the asus website which bios you need, the latest is usually the best. If you need to flash your bios you're gonna need a P4 to do so.
LINKYQuote:
Originally Posted by toledo
does changing the fsb jumper on the adapter increase any ones overclocks ?
ie 400 > 533 ?
thanks
I just switched jumpers yesterday (from 533 -> 400).Quote:
Originally Posted by ibby
Dont see any increase over my current max at 2739MHz...
It only helps when having problems to boot at 533 .Quote:
Originally Posted by stryg
Quote:
Originally Posted by toledo
www.yorcom.nl :D
Hey could someone say if my problems with overclockin this 760 with P4GD1 is about the lack of locks .. meaning i cant get over 151fsb.. if i could boot with 201fsb would it be okay untill 220fsb and then upp the pci-e?
Yes, you should keep the PCI-Express frequency at FSB/2,2. For very high PCI-Express you're going to need high volts for the chipset so maybe vmods are required.
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
Yeah.. but my point is that why cant i get passed 151fsb whaterver the multi is.
Obviously i cant do straight without mods and HC cooling 15x201
No it's not ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by toledo
SL86M is as well --> http://processorfinder.intel.com/scr...ALL&CorSpd=ALL
I bumped the Vcore up to 1.475V and ran Pi @ 2812MHz.. However, at that point, i get errors because my lousy 2x512 BH5 can't even run 205MHz tight with just 2.85V :rolleyes: :)
My mistake :( . It is interesting , they have different package types (478 pin PPGA and 479pin/H-PBGA ) . I really don`t know what does it mean but 478 pin PPGA seems better :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mathias-K
BTW , looks like you need a OCZ booster . :cool: