glad to know, this is the first time I order from Monarch. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fzero
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glad to know, this is the first time I order from Monarch. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fzero
My gaming PC has a FX5200 in it and I am trying to play HL2 and WoW, less fun then you are having!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
I need my new PC now!!!!
*Takes off cloths, proceeds into the street, and runs around yelling PAPER LAUNCH PAPER LAUNCH PAPER LAUNCH!!!!!!!!*
I am very :mad:
look at my new sig \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
hahahahahahahaahahaha :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
well, this launch has been.. odd, but well monarch has been pushing forward the launch date for the OEMs so there are still some slight chances of their being released before may, but Ben Franklin once said:
whatever that means :ROTF:Quote:
He that lives upon hope will die fasting.
If these arent out by the time I verify my paypal account im ordering a 3500 Clawhammer to entertain myself
by the way... does monarch offer a warranty for OEMs? or is it just 30 days like newegg :mad: ??? I would hate to order OEM and have it come deffective.. I live in another country where its a hassle to send stuff to and from the us :(
Why would a gaming PC have an FX5200 in it? GO GET A 6800GT ASAP!! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
My 1.5 Ghz P4 willamette and 256 MB PC133 ram would bottleneck it my friend :D :D
I have been reading up on computers since June of last year. I intended to replace my system with a propor gaming computer. And after waiting one year, I hear Venice will be out on a month. Since I intend to OC, I thought I would wait. Well, here I am. 1.5 months later and still running on a 3 year old computer! :( :(
yea many of us arent too :) that venice and diego have been delayed but amd doesnt care, most people dont overclock and it wont matter if its a winny or venice. Just get a cheap 3000+ winny for now like I said :)
:confused: Uh-oh. Replying to my own post: The dates on Monarch's site have changed - some have moved up, and some have moved back. My link quoted above still works, follow it to get whatever Monarch is claiming right now. :nono: Sigh. I guess I will sit on my money until Newegg shows the 3700 in stock - that's a site I can actually trust. Still waiting . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by The Mad Duke
-The Mad Duke :rolleyes:
OMFG!! They moved the 3500+ venice ship date down to april 27th! Also it's funney the sandiegos are shipping sooner than the Venice.
Now my little devil on my left shoulder is telling me to: "DO IT!! PRE ORDER NOW!!! YOU KNOW YOU WANT SOME VENICE GOODNESS!!"
And my little angel on my right shoulder is telling me: "Alas, good things come to those who wait and you know the 3700+ with it's 1MB cache will completely own a similarly clocked Venice. Is it worth getting the venice 2 weeks earlier? I think not"
I'm having another aneurism... :coffee: :stick:
get both :D
Yes then sent to Singapore for final testing and then sent to their distribution hubs worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyfisher
This has become hysteria and the madness of crowds :clap:
at least I had a Socket A backup PC instead of selling my stuff and not having anything till venice gets here :p:
runs WoW so I'll be fine waiting till it ever gets into retail channel
i wonder if amd will completely stop production of winchester when venice and san diego are available in mass quantity. anyone got inside info?
Yes completely stopped fabrication - might still be some cores awaiting assembly though.
so what's my chance of returning a 3200+ winnie after 6mos or 1 year and get a venice as a replacement? i got a 3200+ retail :).
Oh believe me I still have my Intel rig that's on my sig, BUT I don't have my gem of a 6800 limited edition. And now I'm getting desperate that's all.
AMD will likely hold onto a few thousand for just such an eventuality. After all think about Barton desktop users etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by dng29
awww sucks :(. maybe i can tried to convince amd rma division to send me a venice instead. on another note, anyone got inside infos as to where the venice and san diego parts are at now? are the parts on the way to singapore for final assembly or still sitting at dresden? the waiting is killing me so i got a 3200+ winnie on the way. if the winnie doesn't oc well, i'll just return it and get venice instead. i still can't believe amd stated that venice would be available in april. talk about a paper launch. i know there are some high end diego cpus coming, but they're still oem only. i want retail amd and i hope they hold true to their roadmap, geez. i think amd doesn't want to release venice or diego now because the dual opteron is released on the 21st. i remember someone said in an article, that amd has great technology, they just don't know how to execute their strategy. their execution sucks majorly. sorry for venting :).
If the chips are on their way to Singapore, I have some contacts I can phone to have them intercepted :hrhr:
These cpus left Singapore ages ago!
I hope they are sleepin in Ingram Micro warehouses now :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
AMD probly save some....so they can released it in the future, like those 3500 clawhammer :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
:slapass: :woot: :banana: i like it !Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentVX
They are actually required by law to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
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Originally Posted by Dumo
i wish i can go to the ingram micro near me and buy a venice today if they do have it. anyone buying the 4000+ oem that's slated to be available on the 22nd? sucks that higher price cpus are available before the affordable ones like 3000+ and 3200+ :(. i'll just stick with a 3200+ and upgrade to dual core next year or later on.
Just want to add something while passing time waiting on the venice to come. looks like intel is making a killing with their mobile business as shown by their quarterly report. i think amd is under pressure to produce and make a profit for themselve. the heat is on amd, hope you can execute better. disappoint your enthusiast fans will not look good because we're the ones doing the pr work for you trying to get others to go with amd. paper launch a product or not or whatever excuses you have, don't do it again. i hope amd can improve their execution when they release desktop dual core. i'm a huge amd fan dating back to the k6. i hope i don't have to go to the darkside :). peace
Because the 3800+ Venice OEM version should be avalable 24th Avril, befort any-other model, at first I wanted the 3500+ Venice :slobber: anyway I will buy the model that I can put my hand on :( :slobber: :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
Hummm... according to the automatic shipping notice from Monarch my "AMD ADA3700DAA5BN Athlon 64 3700 939 Pin 90nm Rev E" has been shipped along with the PSU I ordered. Delivery date is April 21st according to FedEx tracking. Nothing about backorders or incomplete shipments. If this is true, why am I not seeing others reporting their chips being shipped? Tommorow should be very interesting.
Very interesting info Wayne, especially as the webpage shows May 6 for tray, welcome to the forums and keep us updated!
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Originally Posted by waynesnyder
wow, awesome news. i wonder how this cpu will oc. did you get the extended warranty? i might order it today, yikes the price :(. wife won't be happy about this.
That's probably not right. Maybe they shipped the PSU alone. I just called Monarch now and the guy said they have none in stock, that you might have mis-read the e-mail.Quote:
Originally Posted by waynesnyder
Here is a quick copy and past of the notification. Only thing I left out was the billing and shipping address. You're probably right and it's an incomplete shipment but if it is Monarch should have included that info in the notification. I'll give them a call when I get the chance.
Shipping Method FedEx 2 day
Invoice Date 4/19/2005
Item Description Qty Unit Price Extended Price
100176 OCZ ModStream 450W Power Supply OCZ45012U- 450W wiOCZ EZMod technology SATA Connector th 1 $79.00 $79.00
120207 AMD ADA3700DAA5BN Athlon 64 3700 939 Pin 90nm Rev E 1 $329.00 $329.00
800041 60 DAY WARRANTY CPU 1 $0.00 $0.00
270457 AMD ATHLON 64 STICKER SET Includes: 3 of 1"x 1" Case Badges 1 $0.00 $0.00
Subtotal $408.00
Tax $0.00
Shipping Charges $10.29
Invoice Total $418.29
Your Tracking Information: XXXXXXXXXXXX
Thank you for your order,
Monarch Computer Systems
** This message has been sent from an unmonitored mailbox.
Please direct all replies to order@monarchcomputer.com
Does this mean the chips will be available first in Singapore? Got a mate going there tomorrow :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
According to Monarch the 3800 Venice is now April 29th and the 3500 is the 27th. The one to watch is the 4000 which according to Monarch is available Friday..Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDfan
WWOOO, I have been waiting for these chips and so has everyone else. This is surely good news. I can't wait. I am looking to get the 3700 from Monarch! :)
Anyone know what multiplier the 3700+ Sandy will have? x10 x11 x12?
From what I have read, it has an 11x multiplier. For me the BEST bang for the buck right now is the 3700+. I love that AMD decided to include a budget version of the 1MB cache A64, two thumbs up for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
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Originally Posted by Tibu
i see you're getting the 3700+. how much did you pay for it? and is it the oem or retail? i think price went up a bit right. i thought the first it was out for pre-order, it was 329, now it's 334 :(. i'm debating whether to get the 3500+ or the 3700+ since they both have x11 multi. the only difference is 1MB cache on the 3700+ vs. 512K. I just hope that the 3700+ will oc better because if not then it would be a waste of money. i'm afraid the 1MB cache doesn't leave much room for ocing. also why is the 3500+ oem coming out before the 3700+ oem? odd.
Because E3 is coming out before E4.
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Originally Posted by crafty
if that's the case then why is the 4000+ rev E4 going to be available on the 22nd?
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Originally Posted by waynesnyder
Please let us know when you receive your 3700+ through this thread. I hope I'm wrong though.
It drived me crazy ! :dammit: and I 'm geting sick :sick: of they changed date, I don't know what to believe, and what not to believe :confused: They just keep changing, they shipping date, yesterday Monarch.com said that the 3500+Venice should be shipping starts (May-6th-05) today they changed to (May-20th-05) for ADA3500BPBOX, and (Avril-27th-05) for ADA3500DAA4BP (OEM) same-thing for others Models :mad: :( how about tomorow ? what they gona change again ? :confused: Now my PC it's sold-out , the buyer just picked up about an hour ago, Now I'm using an old AMD Duron 1.3Ghz with an Main-Board that I can't even Overclocking a litle-bit, with it :( If thoses web-shops keep playing with they shipping dates, I think I'm going to :shock: :brick: :frag: :shoot: :explode: :weapon: :hm:
At least you still have a PC! ;) I sold my DFI 754 and 3400+ NC on Saturday,Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDfan
My new rig has everything but the 4000+ SD. I really hope that it arrives by next Friday, I'm heading to a large LAN on the 30th.
For now I'm doing lots of mods to the case for the extra airflow the memory will need, and playing GT4.
i understand that all of you really want these chips but think of it this way the longer they take to come out the more the chip will be well rounded im waiting as well but i rather wait to know a chip is gona live up to its name other then have them do what intel dose with the prescott rush it and have a half as(s)ed thrown together cpu and chipset its comeing it will officially be here next month it just takes time :)
good thing will come to those who wait. by this summer or end of the summer, yields on these venice and diego will be alot better. hence overclocking will probably improve too. depends on how this winnie 3200+ i'm getting will oc. if it's a good ocer, i'll wait till then to get venice or 3700+ diego :). i wonder how much surplus of winnie amd got or have they stopped production of winchester. if they put venice and diego into full production, then we're in good hands folks. if you got a winnie now, just wait a bit longer for this craziness to stop then get venice or diego. just my 2 cents :).
the new 90nm 940 pin opterons have been shipping for a while. they are 1mb cache just like the 939 E4 san diego's. i would have to think they are the same wafer, but the difference is in the packaging. so that would mean the manufacturing line producing them has been running longer than the E3 venice line. so san diego shipping before venice isn't so strange.
Is there the possiblity that AMD was having trouble with their fabs? The delay/shortage could be a reult of something atually going wrong when the chips were tested. Well, I dont know, I will be happy with winchester I guess. Ordering this weekend. :( :(
The E4's are already available, just not in the s939 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by crafty
4000+ san diego available in japan, of course, where else. give blood, get a loan, or take out your savings because the diego is coming.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba...c_a64reve.html. correct me if i'm wrong, but i haven't seen a review of a 4000+ san diego. i wonder how this one will oc? hrmmm....
Ok I was forced to get the 3500 venice as:
1. I'm short on cash
2. Need to pay tuition
3. It ships the 27th.
However I have a doubt about the extended 3 year warranty Monarch has. Is that warranty with monarch or with AMD? Is monarch extremely picky with RMA's or are they fairly easy going?
Bottomline, should I get the 3 year warranty for the 15$?
Only if you plan on keeping the cpu for 3 years ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
I've never RMA'd through Monarch, but from what I've read about them they're not too bad...I believe the warranty is through AMD, but I'm not 100% on that...other forum members would probably know better than me
That said...$15 is a small price to pay for a little peace of mind, whether it's warrantied through Monarch or AMD...
When Sparco crapped on us I worked something out with a friend of mine, so now I'm aiming for Monarch's 4000+ OEM hopefully shipping this Friday...and I paid the extra $15 for the warranty
Well... :para: I'm not sure honestly... I guess I if it OC's pretty good I would keep it for maybe 2 years or something. However if it doesn't oc good and I catch a turd it's going on Ebay in 2 months. So... Hmmm oh WTf it's only 15 bux. I do have to check if it's with Monarch or AMD though.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Well let us know for sure who that 3yr warranty is though...curious myself since I got it
why a venice 3500+ if your short on cash, I woulda gotten the 3000+ Venice. as for warrenty, its void once you overclock
Now how is AMD gonna know it's been oc'd? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
It's also void if you use any HS/F other than the stock one. In any case, how will AMD know?!?!?
I have BH5 ram not TCCD for one. And yes I know I can run a divider but I don't know if the DFI has a divider to run the ram at say 250 or 260 while running the processor(3000+) at say 2.8ghz. Can someone share some insight?
sell your bh5 and get tccd. youll have more ram bandwith and save alot on the cpu itself
Um that would be a good idea but I really don't have ram to carry me over if I were to sell it. Anyways, I don't want to go through that hassle right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
That is one bad idea. Yeah, you'd get "synthetic" benchmarks showing you "huge" bandwidth but TCCD cannot hold a candle to BH-5. If you put enough voltage on them, BH-5 can go to 250 on 2-2-2-5-2-1 and sometimes higher. That smokes anything TCCD is capable of, no matter what synthetic benchmarks say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Exactly. My BH5 can do 255 on my I875p on 3.3v. So I'm GUESSING/HOPING I'll be able to do at least 260 or maybe even 265 IF I'm lucky with the NF4.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
Venice 3800+ & Kingston PC3500 BH-5 on nf3:Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
http://img247.echo.cx/img247/4262/2755yk.jpg
You could run 310x9 with 166 divider. That would put the ram around 253. Also maybe 300x9 with a 180 divider if your able to get your ram that high. That would put it around 270.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
Ok so I've just searched this thread and no one else from the UK has reported *this* particular site so...
UK Venice ** Preorder ** - 1st location!
http://img248.echo.cx/img248/1441/preorder16hk.gif
http://img248.echo.cx/img248/8403/preorder24se.gif
If those images above don't load then the items are here...
http://www.cpucityshop.co.uk/index.p...74b6e2cece1794
...just look for "Rev E3" in the product titles.
:banana: :stick: :banana:
anyone pre-order a 4000+ rev. E from monarch? pls let us know if yours is shipping. i wonder how this one will oc compare to the 3500+, 3700+, and 3800+
How much of a difference is there between 940 and 939 pin socket? :rolleyes:
Cool, x11 @ 250Mhz will prolly be just fine for mere mortals with simple water cooling. Looks like 3700+ is the winner.
BH-5 needs at least 3.3V to achieve that speed, it generates a lot of heat and if you're using a DFI nF4 mobo the mosfets generate even more heat than the ram when u switch the 5V jumper to supply the voltage, so it's very impractical to use BH-5 inside a closed case 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
When I had my OCZ PC4000VX it generated a rediculous amount of heat along with the mosfets that I didn't even consider using it 24/7, I closed the case for about 5 minutes just to see how hot things will get, when I opened it it was like opening an oven, everything was hot to touch and the case's side panels were pretty warm.
Now I'm running OCZ Plat. R2 TCCD sticks and doing DDR600 2.5-4-3-7 with only 2.7V and all my temps went down a lot with the case closed that I can run it 24/7 at almost the same temps as stock
also I thought higher memory speeds gave better gaming results than tighter timings, isn't that true?
my point is that Geforce4ti4200's idea might not be a bad one at all..
but if u still think that BH-5 is better then at least make sure u have a big case with a few 120mm fans and some heavy duty cooling on the mosfets and ram.
my 2 ¢
Nope, I think it may be the other way around. i remember reading somewhere that bh-5 @ 275, 2,2,2,5 can't be beat by tccd @ 333, 2.5,3,3,7Quote:
Originally Posted by S0nic
Nah, 333 7-3-3-2.5-1T would eat BH-5 @ 275 for lunch... but I don't think we are gonna see that kind of clocks on anytime soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
7-3-4-2.5-1T is another story, though ;)
that's very unlikely, I do agree that BH-5/VX is excellent for benching, but it isn't that great for 24/7 use..Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
With all clockspeeds the same, BH-5 at 200 Mhz beats TCCD at 267 Mhz in real world testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
Memory___Speed___Memory Timings___Quake3 Performace___Wolfenstein ET
BH-5------12x200------2.0-2-2-6 ------------572.8--------------120.2
TCCD-------9x267------2.5-4-3-6-------------554.6--------------116.0
You can check Anandtech for more info.
TCCD = :owned: by BH5Quote:
Originally Posted by UObean
And btw I DO have sufficient cooling for my rams/mosfets. As in a 92mm Tornado over the rams/mosfets. And I run 24/7 3.3v on 875p anyways so WTF. TCCD still can't beat Bh5, so lets get over it and move on.
For good measure: TCCD vs BH5
Heres @ 2.5-4...Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
I have nothing but good experience with Monarch. I've placed 3 different orders with them and each time they upgraded my shipping to next level for free (3 days saver becomes 2 days shipping, etc). One of the order was the mobo+cpu combo and they even readies a return label in case you need to. I have gone thru their rma for a broken ddr booster, sent thurs and received it back the next thurs, very well done and the people are very friendly. I would recc Monarch over newegg for CA folks, no tax :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
Compared to clawhammer with tccd440..Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
http://img242.echo.cx/img242/6242/tccd7cb.jpg
I know Dumo, I've seen your sandra scores before ;) . Hell, I can even beat my own BH-5 score with my TCCD @ 290, but once again, sandra is a synthetic bench:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
http://img86.exs.cx/img86/4919/11x290m29153cu.jpg
@s7e9h3n...Thats my point, venice needs low vcore to scale as high as claw with 1.75/1.8V(my stock Vapo already sweat profusely) :toast: Less heat load for benching and gaming :D Hopefully san diegos will do the same..
No mention of the estimated dates on cpucity though, on http://www.softjam.co.uk/cgi-bin/ref...r_Upgrade.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by [timko]
they reckon 25th April and that's for the retail box version! All the chips on cpucity are also retail box, so if the US dates are anything to go by, we'll be waiting a while for these (unless softjam come through)
alright, i finally did it for the 3rd time. i finally placed a pre-order for an oem 3500+ rev. E with 3yr. warranty. i hope it'll be a good overclocker or it'll go back to monarch :). the wife is going to divorce for this :). anyone else pre-ordered a 3500+, i hope it will ship on the 27th as stated by monarch.
Very nice and done with a boat load of processes running in the background so there's room left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
"With all clockspeeds the same, BH-5 at 200 Mhz beats TCCD at 267 Mhz in real world testing.
Memory___Speed___Memory Timings___Quake3 Performace___Wolfenstein ET
BH-5------12x200------2.0-2-2-6 ------------572.8--------------120.2
TCCD-------9x267------2.5-4-3-6-------------554.6--------------116.0"
Thats because of the ras-cas4 that this TCCD was running at. I plan to keep it as a 3, 300x9 ras-cas3 would probably edge out 337x8 ras-cas4 or at least be equal but 300x9 is much more doable. I have heard of rams doing 310-325 at ras-cas3 but youd need some cherrypicked gems, a godly ondie controller and even that I dont count on it being 100% stable. I cant and wont use bh5 or vx because mainly my mobo only gives 2.7v and I want a stable 24/7 rig that runs cool and without insane volts. bh5 or vx may be good benching ram but in my humble opinion, nothing beats tccd for 24/7 operation. I would like 2x512mb sticks that could clock really high at ras-cas3, even 300x9 for 24/7 would be really sweet with a 3000+ venice
may I ask what the cheapest TCCD ram is? OCZ has value VX for only $65 and I was going to get it. But if TCCD is better.......
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Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
i have a pair of g.skill tccd ddr550 with 2.5-3-3-7 timings. it's the LE version. i'm getting a 3500+ venice and I'm shooting for 3Ghz overclock :). ras-cas is very important and i would love to be able to do ras-cas3 at 300Mhz or maybe lower since i dunno how this 3500+ will oc. hrmm it would be awesome if i can oc this cpu to 275Mhz at the default timings of 2.5-3-3-7 :).
Ive seen this stuff, its very near its limit, some couldnt even hit 280 with this gskill at ras-cas3! They also have the LA but its ras-cas4 however the 2x256mb will run t1 and ras-cas3 to a point, usually just over 300MHz. Too bad gskill has been discountinued months ago, I bought the last ones I saw
just got word from Monarch about the 3 year warranty:
I'm definately getting the 3 year option.Quote:
The 3-year warranty on the AMD OEM chips is through Monarch Computer.
Thank you,
Jeremy F.
Monarch Computer
Jeremy@monarchcomputer.com
800-611-0875 x317
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
and after 2 years or on the 3rd year, the chip will accidentally not work anymore :) wink, wink, you know what i mean. Then i'll call monarch up(hopefully they'll still be in business) and get a replacement. Then i can give this chip to my kid and he'll be a 3 yrs. old with an amd a64 pc :). i hope nobody reading this thread works at monarch :).
Yeah I'd like to know how you plan on ruining your proc intentionally without them noticing... :slapass:
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Originally Posted by Tibu
c'mon you build pc and you don't know how to destroy it? it's so trivial :). don't worry the cpu will be cleanly put to death :).
Well short of running 3v to it there arent many ways that are non physical...
I don't see any problems with that ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
:D
is the 3 year warranty from monarch or from the manufactor?
Scroll up a bit; I posted the email they sent me saying the 3 year was through them.
BTW the ship date for the 3500+ is now the 29th? I thought it was the 27th?
I have a feeling it is going to keep getting pushed back. Thats why I am ordering a 3200+ winnie this weekend, for real :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Originally Posted by Rezag1000
I'm thinking of doing the same thing :\
your doing exactly what amd wants you to. buy up there old chips
No way monarch would :owned: like that... Would they? :stick:
It was the 27th... The 4000 that was suppose to ship tommorow is now also set for the 29th.
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Originally Posted by Tibu
:stick:
i can't believe the 3500+ is pushed back :(. i smell something here and it's not potpourri :(. i see a pattern developing here. for all we know, venice and diego are sitting at ingram micro warehouse right now. amd, distributor, and reseller are holding back and keeping quiet because
a. amd just announced dual core this and that
b. turion are starting to ship
c. opteron anniversary is today(all amd employees are busy partying)
d. why release the venice/diego when there are more important things to do
they'll release the venice/diego during the quiet period, that way it will be more significant. it also help to clear winnie inventory too, so buy up winnies people :). i hate to keep cancelling my pre-order, but if the 29th is pushed back to may then i'm cancelling for good and wait till venice is more readily available. who's with me? :).