haha, good choice :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaroz06
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haha, good choice :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaroz06
Hey #900 belongs to be! Remember your place #901 :slapass:
The EK block is one of the very good blocks for sure :)
Figure I could say at least that much considering I'm the one who's responsible for preventing skinnee from getting the reviews done the past few days (making him do LN2 stuff).
I don't know if I would say you've been making me do LN2 stuff. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Oh Damn, I saw 900 REPLIES from the main liquid cooling forum and forgot about the first post by Skinnee, well I was the 900th reply!!!! :wiggle:Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroibis
What! I thought you count from 0 not 1. Look at any array statement, arr[3] = {0,1,2} so now your telling me my maths are brokenz!? NOOOOOOOoooooooo....
Still though at this rate we will be over 9000 before we actually get the results!>
That could be arranged. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroibis
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Originally Posted by zeroibis
Don't encourage him! He might get the idea to pull a George R.R. Martin on us!Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
I am going to be up in MI next week, do not make me cross that border into MN after you!
Kill 2 birds with one stone huh, so thats been the hold up j/k.. Im sure we will see results prob by next week.
and we could also arrange to spam this thread to 9000 repliesQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Don't you dare! :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
I aim for 1000 ...
The thread has finally reached the point where youtube is required to express my feelings about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Rick Rolled...
Stupid copyright laws. Blocked from my country :mad:.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroibis
They may just be saying "copyright laws" when in fact it violates the no sucky music law. :rofl: Consider yourself fortunate, all you missed was Rick Astley "Never Gonna Give You Up". :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
Yeah, I knew it was a rickroll (comment by ForceFed was pretty obvious), but I'm just annoyed by those laws. I can't even watch some music videos on youtube, and they're not even crappy :eek::mad:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Can anyone post a link to a finished 480 GTX Block review/comparison/roundup? i'm buying a pair of blocks this friday.
Please link me to the future :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
A roundup including 4 waterblocks for GTX 480 written in german language: KLICK
Think this was linked some 10-20ish pages ago and this is basically what i thought:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapa5000
That is merely a teaser to master Skinnee's upcoming uber-test. :up:
i bought my koolance block mainly on the results from that review, that and the fact that it wass cheaper than the DD and EK (at the time, i see PPCs has the EK block cheaper now).
So by roughly interpreting the data on that graph if you sacrifice 10 percent on your temp deltas, you will gain 10 percent flow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sethai
Well, I'm sure the Skinnee's review will go much further than that....
The blue LEDs would look nice in my new build. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldon
nooo ... ek lose! This getting too long wait! The dual fermi is coming right?
The German reviewer used 1000RPM Phobya Nana fans! :eek: Expect better thermals when Skinnee is finished, what overclocker uses 1000RPM fans? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapa5000
What do you mean EK lose? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeChuo
silent ocQuote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
On that note, did you guys know that there are Gentle Typhoon 2150s?
Ya, but they're 28mm too small for most radiators these days... I'll stick with 1850's.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
Yah, the 92mm thing that you see, don't worry about that. The 120mm ones haven't been released to the public yet. I have my sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperchargedZ06
I do! My build is primarily about silence and cooling comes in second. I run low speed Yate Loon fans at around 10~11V. My setup keeps my i5 @ 4.2ghz idling in the low 30s and hitting low 40s at full load. My DDC is also throttled to around 3000rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
Nice! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldon
Not in the markey yet, but some people at OCN going to buy them at wholesaler http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...e-come-if.html.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
The specsheet of Nidec Servo (original manufacturer of the GT's) has been around for a couple of months now. I believe the specs went up to 3000RPM. However, unless Scythe will add them to their collection, the only way to get them is indeed to people such as wholesalers.
Now if it would be possible to get 140mm GTs in similar way :(
That German reviewer show that EK 10% lower. NM ... I still like the look of EK. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
I'm not too crazy about adding the restrictive VGA water blocks to my loop, I will go by what Skinnee reports, it's not like I was able to read how many times the german reviewer remounted the blocks. I bet if the german reviewer had used at least a 1600RPM fan the results would have been different, who uses a Black Ice SR1 anyways? I think Thermochill should be used as the standard because it suffers from hardly any pressure drop and performs well with low to medium as well as 2000RPM fans!Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeChuo
I think it's interesting they used a SR1. Some folks out there (including me) aren't too crazy about running fans > 1000-1500 rpms due to fan noise. According to Bundy, the SR1s are one of the top rads for fans running at that speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
Wes
I own a Black Ice SR1, mostly because it's one of the best performing rad's for low speed fans and for it's amazing build quality. I have the computer next to my head essentially when I sleep, so low fan speed is important. It was neat to see how my rad did in pretty much the same circumstance as what I'll put mine through.
Hi ! Welcome to XS, where some people also overclock in silence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
All my fans run around 900 rpm.
I do, so do a lot of people, especially in europe where SR1 is easily available in most shops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
Kinda gathered u use the SR1, it runs really well anything from 800rpm..Quote:
Originally Posted by gmat
Skinnee is this you??
http://hwbot.org/article/news/remova...m_loc_incident
herefore, we issue a 1-year ban to all the people involved: AndreYang, Hiwa, eXtremetweaker.de, KJ and Skinnee.
Check post one, he's banned already. Good thing he has his own site so we still can read the review when it's done.
Yeah XS is getting quite deserted, everyone has their own sites now..Quote:
Originally Posted by p2501
Browsing in LC shops for new products noticed this wierdness. I'm guessing that it probably will be something like corsair H50 with LC only in name not performance with almost same performance as stock cooling.
You've summed it up well :) there's some review here:Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Click
Although the conclusion is favourable for the product, to me personally it's pointless...
Such a small improvement for that kind of money :shrug:
IMHO if one is not going for a custom loop, much better solution is something like AC Accellero Xtreme (I've modded my GTX 260 GS in past to fit it and it dropped my temps from 65C load to 42C and all that for ~ £40).
I remember a few people not being big fans of CoolIt, mostly due to leaking systems I believe.
:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxforces
Looking at how they tested it seems cool it told them to test it all wrong so they would have some excuses if anyone runs into problems:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by luke997
There was a nice little fall out between bit-tech and cool it a while ago over the cpu version where the review samples kept failing on bit-tech, i'll see if I can dig up the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
nvm, found it: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/coo...t-domino-alc/5
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Originally Posted by Maxforces
lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by p2501
u think all that free stuff he got is to post on his site??
lol
this review aint gonna happen
and when it does i think we will have a new gc already.
So this was why our GTX 480 waterblock results were taking so long. While we were begging you for results and while you were assuring us you were working you ass off, you and your cronies were actually messing around with LN2 and conspiring to cheat your way to a win when you figured out you could'nt achieve one legitmatly.
However look at bright side, now that your banned you can devote more time to review testing stuff; I still have enough faith in you to not automatically assume that your test results are 'tweaked' like your 3Dmark score.
How can you have faith in any information he hands out after what just happened ? Everything he post/review :( now, I will take with a HUGE grain of salt....
Well color me disappoint...
Screwing up a competition and his hardware reviews don't really need to be connected. I'm inclined to trust the review data he puts out, Vapors and his testing were profound and I trust that will stay the same.
I'd be really interested in hearing his side of this story. No reason in building up a name in the community and then smashing it to pieces with a pulling a stunt like that. No need to burn him at the stakes IMO.
Here's his story: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...15#post4479815 post number 114
Cam, I'm only gonna talk about this "incident" once. If we were standing together in a room right now, I would :slap: you, and ask "why weren't you thinking?".
Pull yourself together, recommit yourself to getting reviews done and hopefully when you come back, we can move forward like nothing ever happened.:up:
Must have missed that, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirsiddius
This is bad! Broke my heart!
+1. Hope to see you back soon ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I hope skinnee doesn't get pissed off and join rrr/cause more drama.
Review IS going to happen (the data has been done for awhile, just the writing is what's holding it up)....and yes, the review sample blocks were sent for the review to be posted on skinneelabs. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
Never happening :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
Anyway, he's asked me to post part of the final review data so that you guys know he isn't gone or leaving or any of that. The time away from the forums (and even longer away from benching) does mean more time for watercooling :up:
Below is the chart for flowrate, stock GPU temperatures, and stock VRM temperatures.
Compared to the graph he posted a few hundred posts back, VRM temps differ slightly on some blocks because in the initial runs, the temperature probes used to measure VRM temperatures were making contact with the block, artificially lowering VRM temperature readouts. Not all blocks had thermal tape on the chokes so not all blocks were effected--those that were effected were rerun with individual pieces of thermal tape just on the chokes, rather than one long strip over the entire area.
Flowrate:
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images...0_flowrate.png
Stock clock/voltage GPU Temps:
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images..._stock-gpu.png
Stock clock/voltage VRM Temps:
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images..._stock-vrm.png
crap evga is good - gpu
crap evga is bad - vrm lol stupid...but 66c isn't bad...
EVGA FTW!!!
thanks for posting
Finally! :)
To me it looks that overall desirability (temps vs flow) Koolance #1, EK #2. EVGA #3 because of top temps (but what's with that monstrous restriction? Now sum that restriction up in fermi-sli setups .. :shrug:)
For a clarification: "All TIM" means that TIM was used on the VRMs/chokes rather than thermal tape. Not all blocks can be run like this due to clearance issues....but if it can, it definitely shows an improvement in VRM temps :up:
The Danger Den looks like a great block :D.
Ah, in SLI you can (and should, at least with the eVGA and other restrictive blocks) run the GPUs in parallel, which lowers restriction a HUGE amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Also, the VRM temps reported are from Dallas One Wire probes hot-glued and TIM'd between the chokes. They're not software VRM temperatures, but temperatures of the nearest area the temperature probes would fit. The readouts are indicative of VRM temperatures but are not a perfect representation.
Also the importance of the readings is much more difficult to quantify than just straight GPU temperatures. Basically, they need to be held within thermal spec (100+C) to maintain stability. When overclocked and overvolted, that becomes increasingly difficult to do and when it fails to control the temperature, you get runaway power draw and temperature and ultimately failure. So they ARE important, but their stability is a nearly-binary entity. At all test settings, all blocks passed. But at higher settings (above what the Overclocked test settings were), not all blocks could handle the load and that did negatively effect overclockability.
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images...-vrmprobes.jpg
Can you share how high you went on the overclocks?
I'm just dying to see which blocks coundn't handle higher overclocks! I think the Danger Den and EK blocks came out on top because of higher flow rates, GPU and VRM temps with flow rate being very important! The highly restrictive blocks in my opinion are not desirable!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
877 core @ 1138mV (set....drooped to 1070-1075mV or so under load)
All the pretesting to decide final settings was done on the Bitspower and at voltages above like 1180mV (set, not actual), it was having runaway issues (i.e., failure).Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
All blocks passed the overclocked settings for this test (877 core at 1138mV), but better blocks can definitely take more voltage. I don't know where the eVGA block would begin to fail, but it was really close to 100C for VRM temps at the standard overclocked settings, so possibly not much more than that. Putting a fan on it helps significantly though :)
Awesome. Thanks for posting this and please pass the appreciation on to Skinnee!
So if someone wants the highest overclock on their water cooled GTX 480 should we just flash the BIOS with at setting of 1.2v and hope for the best? I've never flashed a graphics card BIOS before, but would like to learn. :) I expected by now a guide with pictures showing beginners how to set voltages and flash a graphics cards BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Use MSI Afterburner....much easier than flashing BIOSes :p:
Great info Vapor.. Thanks for posting them.
So my Nickel+Copper DD480 block was a pretty decent choice afterall.. exiting. Runs great for me.. Never seen a temp over 60C, even with OC/OV
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Originally Posted by Vapor
Vapor, the gpu/flow rate graphs shows the difference between the nickel version and standard version of the DD block as being essentially identical. While the VRM graph shows the nickel one performing considerably better, is this a result of the nickel or just the all-tim treatment?
Afterburner Final will not go any higher than 1.138 volts, if I set it to 1.21 and click apply it jumps right back to 1.138 volts. I must be missing something here! :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Just asked skinnee and he says it's the same block, just a mislabeling. The TIM (instead of thermal pad) was the reason for greatly improved performance in the "All-TIM" version while the .01GPM difference in flowrate is within repeatability ratings for the King flowmeter and was just what the flowmeter happened to read that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekiwii
Use Afterburner Extreme :) Behaves a little differently though once you go past 1138mV...gets a little jumpy/erratic in what it actually loads at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
regular afterburner will go higher, just have to mod the BIOS. :D
Can you enlighten me in how and what program to use, beginner here needs help. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by justin.kerr
NiBiTor 5.6 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
what he said. :D
I think hell froze over... a Danger Den GPU block giving good VRM temps? Granted it took a switch from thermal tape to TIM to make it better than the others, but how is that possible?
Awsome review! glad i got the DD block! Vapor, and skinnee thank you so much for the test! :up: And who cares about that score stuff in LN2/overclocking or w/e its called...is that crap really that popular!? :rofl: doesn't change my appreciation for all that hard work you guys did on this review. :yepp:
+1 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by luke997
Wow, Skinnee banned? That's like...dude, that's like...I don't even know!
Got three Koolance blocks coming my way, the LEDs did it.
The VRM temps are idle temps right? Cause there is no way in hell they run that cool under full load. Fire up Furmark and leave your hand on the back of the card near where the mofsets are and you could get burned.
OT but skinnee...
thank you very much for all the great information and work you have done for noobs like myself... your work and the work of many others that have contributed to this art we call hobby is greatly appreciated...Quote:
The voyage of the best ship is a zigzag line of a hundred tacks. See the line from a sufficient distance, and it straightens itself to the average tendency. Your genuine action will explain itself, and will explain your other genuine actions...
Why is Skinnee banned? Can someone tell me what's going on?
nice.
so ek for the win overall..again
He is involved in this ***** linkQuote:
Originally Posted by Amuro
Just look around; the New Posts link is especially handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuro
hmm weighted the whole thing
overall dd but with 7 on gpu.. which actually is more important the weights overall dont count
overall ek and koolance is best
but for more temp performance aqua block is the best
For bling, Koolance with the LEDs. :D
(You can choose your own color.)
They're load temps :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Amuro
For more info on the VRMs and the temperatures: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=970
Glad I bought the aquacomputer blocks. They should be here in two or three days, can't wait. Not too happy with flow, but at least they perform well!
AC block is a solid performer for GPU only loops. Not very unexpected looking at the design. I would go DD or EK for mixed loops though.
*******WOOT POST # 1000************** LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
I agree :) I really would have been happy with any of the blocks except the Bitspower. I also stayed away from the DD blocks because of how extremely heavy they are. They weigh a metric s**t ton in comparison to the others(well double the weight :rofl:)!!!! So I stayed away from them and went with the Koolance blocks. They look bad ass and perform excellent!!!
Damn... Just missed 1000th post... Well 1001 isnot bad also :)
Good info there... and pretty tight results on most of the blocks.