Gigabyte EX58-UD5/Extreme Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by hiwa

got it on my board yesterday,what did u do? is your board dead ?
after 15h i power on my pc and no way to start:mad:

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Hey, I got this yesterday as well with the updated bios. =o(

I finally recovered it from the dreaded 88 continuous boot, instant off infinite recycle. I just had to vigorously man handle the reset button like for 15 minutes straight until I saw a c1 populate the led. Then I powered off and back on, and it was miraculously covered. I got this 88 error until finally I flashed back to an older bios. I encountered the 88 code a couple of times yesterday. Sometimes it would only take a few, actually several, quick mashes of the reset button to recover to the c1. Good luck, b/c that 88 is the biggest booger ever!

Thanks Gigabyte for the wonderful bios, it definitely incapacitated my Christmas Eve!

What is the difference between the UD5 and the Extreme, other than the northbridge heatsink? I know this question has been asked several times in the thread, but no one has really answered yet.

Nothing...

Well a few caps from what I can see, thats about it.

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Originally Posted by mikesrex

What is the difference between the UD5 and the Extreme, other than the northbridge heatsink? I know this question has been asked several times in the thread, but no one has really answered yet.

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No one really knows for sure, and the question of why are there different bios for each board goes unanswered. When we speculate, the handful of people 'in the know' i think just laugh at us :rolleyes:

One thing is for sure, just as many people are getting great overclocks on the UD5 as the Extreme. So unless you want to watercool the X58, your cpu will be your limiting factor not the board.

well, now i have my new GIGABYTE EX58 EXTREME

coming soon the test with Core i7 920 :up:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/558...0146ru2.th.jpg

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

well, now i have my new GIGABYTE EX58 EXTREME

coming soon the test with Core i7 920 :up:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/558...0146ru2.th.jpg

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loving the Extreme.


Seems like allot of people who insist on flashing every bios is complaining about it though, which is kind of dampening the mood on such a solid board. My advice, is try the F4j and stick too it :)

Agreed! For now anyway. GAR you should perhaps update the first post with that information, or at least just say that most people are finding F4j to be the best so far.

I wonder how many GB boards will be shipped with F4 final bios. Using F4, I would have thought my cpu could not go above 3.7, and even that flaky, and thought the reboot issue was faulty board. Unless reading about it, I would never have known to flash backwards to a beta bios...I would have tried F5a and got same problem. As flaky as F4 was, i probably would have sent the board back in 30 day newegg return period and bought another one, not knowing it was a good board, just bugged bios.

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Seems like allot of people who insist on flashing every bios is complaining about it though, which is kind of dampening the mood on such a solid board. My advice, is try the F4j and stick too it

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It's simple: the F4j is far from perfect. In my rig, LL on, ET6 and Cpuz show the same idle and load real voltage (1.360/1.344) from 1.37500 to 1.40000 Vcore setting in Bios. This confuses me when I'm trying to adjust my system. I do not like either the performance in memory that i have with F4j. I have the same performance @ 1688 8-8-8-24-cr1 as @ 1600 9-9-9-24 in the Smackover.

I have tried about 5 different bios including most recent F4 and F5a, for the ggbt extreme with 965 - F4j works best for me - so far.

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Originally Posted by SteveRo

I have tried about 5 different bios including most recent F4 and F5a, for the ggbt extreme with 965 - F4j works best for me - so far.

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The same here. Only i say that is normal that people want to improve.
Flashing to F4, return to F4j, my board has become another:eek: Before, it was impossible start @ 200x20 x36 x16 x8 (the famous 200x20 wall). Now, the wall is gone. Before, i need only 1.1v IOH for my settings, now, 1.2v. My 940 now needs more Vcore...Now I see what other things have changed :shrug:

Does anyone have a link to all the extreme bioses?

two links for extreme bios -

http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/giga...st-bios-28441/

http://www.station-drivers.com/page/...x58-extrem.htm

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Originally Posted by NCspecV81

Hey, I got this yesterday as well with the updated bios. =o(

I finally recovered it from the dreaded 88 continuous boot, instant off infinite recycle. I just had to vigorously man handle the reset button like for 15 minutes straight until I saw a c1 populate the led. Then I powered off and back on, and it was miraculously covered. I got this 88 error until finally I flashed back to an older bios. I encountered the 88 code a couple of times yesterday. Sometimes it would only take a few, actually several, quick mashes of the reset button to recover to the c1. Good luck, b/c that 88 is the biggest booger ever!

Thanks Gigabyte for the wonderful bios, it definitely incapacitated my Christmas Eve!

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oh man
i hate when i have weird board issues
i recently had one with my P5E3 DLX
gave me a real scare but i got it going in the end

its good to see you get it up and running at least :)

hiwa i hope yours recovers like this too :(

Can someone tell me if this is a normal score with my setup all at stock except turbo enabled. No tweaks in XP except set performance in CCC and using Cat 8.12

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9892/61057023oa2.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6...pg/1/w1280.png

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7561/37917990jv8.jpg
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Originally Posted by vega22

It's simple: the F4j is far from perfect. In my rig, LL on, ET6 and Cpuz show the same idle and load real voltage (1.360/1.344) from 1.37500 to 1.40000 Vcore setting in Bios. This confuses me when I'm trying to adjust my system. I do not like either the performance in memory that i have with F4j. I have the same performance @ 1688 8-8-8-24-cr1 as @ 1600 9-9-9-24 in the Smackover.

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You have to account for .040v....how is this confusing? I get the exact same drop and droop as you and out of the 20 775 boards that I've owned this is easily top two, number 1 being the DFI TR2SB+ X48. As for your memory performance, use turbo performance mode on the EX58, it'll tighten up a bunch of subtimings and give you better results.

Is f4j the best bios at moment?for the extreme

Yeah we're all getting that drop + droop no matter the bios, it's what the board does. I tried the pencil mod but it's not working :mad:

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Originally Posted by Bjynne

Is f4j the best bios at moment?for the extreme

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:up:

I've been using the F4j on the extreme and running 4.2 Ghz on 4.1 v(bios).

I flashed to F5a and used the same settings. I was able to run 4.3 Ghz with 4.0 v(bios) and I haven't had any issues with reboots, lockups, etc. /knocks on wood.

It still won't stabilize with 36x 16x 8x but I really hadn't thought that it would. Only a 40x multi would fix that, imo.

I'll play around with it some more and see if I can stilllowr vcore a bit.

question about the WC on the extreme.

I'm using 7/16" tubing. the extreme comes with 3/8" barbs. Tubing is very loose, so I didn't even bother with it, but is there a way that I can get 1'2" barbs from Gigabyte for it, or is there a 3/8" to 1/2" converter?

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Originally Posted by vega22

It's simple: the F4j is far from perfect. In my rig, LL on, ET6 and Cpuz show the same idle and load real voltage (1.360/1.344) from 1.37500 to 1.40000 Vcore setting in Bios. This confuses me when I'm trying to adjust my system. I do not like either the performance in memory that i have with F4j. I have the same performance @ 1688 8-8-8-24-cr1 as @ 1600 9-9-9-24 in the Smackover.

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I try all new bioses/utilities b/c Im a bios/utility whre, somebody has to take one for the team:D.

But that aside, if in addition to drop/droop you are complaining that setting bios to 1.375 you get 1.360 cpuz and then setting bios to 1.4 you still get 1.360 cpuz, that is because the bios increases volts in steps of .00625v, yet sensor on mobo (which cpuz reports) reads in steps of .016v. So until you increase bios enough to get to next sensor point, it wont change the value reported, even though it is still increasing .00625v. That is not going to change. However if you use an excel spread sheet, and document the points where the voltages bounce back and forth between higher and lower values, ie is near halfway point, you can plot the rest from there by using steps .00625 (excel will do for you). Once you plot one halfway point, you can accurately predict the rest, attesting that board is doing decent job of increasing by .00625v. I marked the halfway points on mine as (()). See pic where I listed actual sensor values based on .00625v steps versus cpuz reporting mobo sensor which reports in .016V steps. It is especially useful for going back and forth between LLC on vs off, and for scaling getting next OC point. For example at one point, idle cpuz I have ((1.336)), never reads 1.336 it was bouncing back and forth between 1.328 and 1.344 (.016v steps) and average is 1.336. And balancing the 3 halfway points, but increasing by .00625, leads to values idle actual. Using easytune to change volts, does not take long to make the chart.

Of course if all mobo's had sensors that read in steps of .008 or god forbid .006...wouldnt have that problem.

@Lukee, I think your best bet is to buy different NB waterblock, somewhere, someone had mentioned another NB wb cooler that fit Extreme. I know the screw threads are normal size, I could fit my old cpu retaining screws from 775 in them...when I was trying different nb heatsinks/fan...but found just plain fan worked best.

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Originally Posted by rge

I try all new bioses/utilities b/c Im a bios/utility whre, somebody has to take one for the team:D.

But that aside, if in addition to drop/droop you are complaining that setting bios to 1.375 you get 1.360 cpuz and then setting bios to 1.4 you still get 1.360 cpuz, that is because the bios increases volts in steps of .00625v, yet sensor on mobo (which cpuz reports) reads in steps of .016v. So until you increase bios enough to get to next sensor point, it wont change the value reported, even though it is still increasing .00625v. That is not going to change. However if you use an excel spread sheet, and document the points where the voltages bounce back and forth between higher and lower values, ie is near halfway point, you can plot the rest from there by using steps .00625 (excel will do for you). Once you plot one halfway point, you can accurately predict the rest, attesting that board is doing decent job of increasing by .00625v. I marked the halfway points on mine as (()). See pic where I listed actual sensor values based on .00625v steps versus cpuz reporting mobo sensor which reports in .016V steps. It is especially useful for going back and forth between LLC on vs off, and for scaling getting next OC point. For example at one point, idle cpuz I have ((1.336)), never reads 1.336 it was bouncing back and forth between 1.328 and 1.344 (.016v steps) and average is 1.336. And balancing the 3 halfway points, but increasing by .00625, leads to values idle actual. Using easytune to change volts, does not take long to make the chart.

Of course if all mobo's had sensors that read in steps of .008 or god forbid .006...wouldnt have that problem.

@Lukee, I think your best bet is to buy different NB waterblock, somewhere, someone had mentioned another NB wb cooler that fit Extreme. I know the screw threads are normal size, I could fit my old cpu retaining screws from 775 in them...when I was trying different nb heatsinks/fan...but found just plain fan worked best.

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You are a true grinder rge. :up:

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Originally Posted by Lukee

question about the WC on the extreme.

I'm using 7/16" tubing. the extreme comes with 3/8" barbs. Tubing is very loose, so I didn't even bother with it, but is there a way that I can get 1'2" barbs from Gigabyte for it, or is there a 3/8" to 1/2" converter?

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I think you can buy an adapter like that. Before buying the board i was told by a reliable person not to, because they had experienced leaking with them before. I bought the board and just got some 3/8 tubing, and lo & behold.. It leaked all on its own. Which i was also warned about by said person actually...

If they just done a standard block where you could fit your own barbs it would be no issue :mad:

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Originally Posted by Xello

I think you can buy an adapter like that. Before buying the board i was told by a reliable person not to, because they had experienced leaking with them before. I bought the board and just got some 3/8 tubing, and lo & behold.. It leaked all on its own. Which i was also warned about by said person actually...

If they just done a standard block where you could fit your own barbs it would be no issue :mad:

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That sucks. I removed that piece for now since I wasn't going to use it. My MCH temps are like 49-50C when booting up. Doesn't that seem kinda high?

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Originally Posted by ante_ante

Can someone tell me if this is a normal score with my setup all at stock except turbo enabled. No tweaks in XP except set performance in CCC and using Cat 8.12

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9892/61057023oa2.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6...pg/1/w1280.png

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7561/37917990jv8.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3...pg/1/w1280.png

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You should know that the 4870x2 performs better, MUCH better on windows vista. :up:

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Originally Posted by Bjynne

Is f4j the best bios at moment?for the extreme

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So what's the best bios for the ud5 at the moment?
F4r, or is the F5a also ok?
What would be the best settings to utilise my 1600mhz dominator ram?

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Originally Posted by Xello

I tried the pencil mod but it's not working :mad:



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Hi

so are you saying this pencil Mod doesnt work ??


http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7...ncilbu0hu7.png



I was thinking use the Pencil mod , but if you say it doesnt work then i wont do it !








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Im still using F4R bios and this Config for 24/7




Idle @ 2280Mhz @ 1.04v (Speedstep & C1E)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3564/idleev9.jpg







Load @ 3600Mhz @ 1.12v


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3005/3600112viw7.jpg





best regards

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Originally Posted by Lukee

That sucks. I removed that piece for now since I wasn't going to use it. My MCH temps are like 49-50C when booting up. Doesn't that seem kinda high?

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Mines are 55c right now during blend. I only have X48 knowledge to go by, but that is pretty much out the window since X58 is completely different. In fact i was expecting it to be alot cooler, given the lack of memory controller, but obviously this is not what has happened.

We should note that the temp icon is off up to 60c, flashing green from 61c-80c, and flashing red at 81+, so we can assume these temps are fine.

I've PM'd someone who should give a clearer answer, i'll let you know what he tells me :up:

:edit: Ok i got a reply, though not a very big one but it explains this. I remember reading on anandtech that one of the goals Intel had was to design a more server-oriented chip with X58, even though it would be used on desktop aswell. Anandtech back this up also with a recent article showing how powerful nehalem xeon is going to be. This is the reason for the chipset's high temps, compared to X48, its power has been increased to make it more dual-cpu ready. The temps are all good :)

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Originally Posted by Tomcat

So what's the best bios for the ud5 at the moment?
F4r, or is the F5a also ok?
What would be the best settings to utilise my 1600mhz dominator ram?

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I highly recommend to anyone that you should start from scratch and find your own settings, because one read through of this thread is enough to see that people are having different experiences. However, if you want to jump right in try 200 bclk with 8x memory multi, 18x QPI (36x in bios) 16x uncore, that will give you your 1600mhz stock. Make sure to set 1.64v / 1.66v vdimm manually, and if i were you i'd also set my 8-8-8-24 manually also. Leave the 'performance' option on Turbo to take care of the rest of your timings, it'll probably set 1T CR but that shouldn't be a problem and will give you a small bandwidth boost.

Then start increasing your cpu multi and see what you can get stable :up:

This is one of many ways of doing it, but it will let you get your memory @ stock at least.

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Originally Posted by mascaras

so are you saying this pencil Mod doesnt work

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It's not working for me, the vdroop is still there. This is the first time i've tried it but it's pretty easy and doesn't seem to be a way to do it wrong. I've pm'd Hicookie about it and they maintain the mod should work, i've put the line on so hard the pencil led would break if i pushed harder, and no luck.

Feel free to try :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Xello

It's not working for me, the vdroop is still there. This is the first time i've tried it but it's pretty easy and doesn't seem to be a way to do it wrong. I've pm'd Hicookie about it and they maintain the mod should work, i've put the line on so hard the pencil led would break if i pushed harder, and no luck.

Feel free to try :shrug:

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Hi

are you sure the Two "points" are conected with the pencil ?? ( only in the midle wont work )


Ok then , i will try tomorow ! :up:

regards

Guys, is there ANY freaking way to install GBTTOOLS and Dynamic energy saver on vista 64 and getting it to FREAKING work? :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing data execution prevention blocks it...even if i disable DEP it blocks it anyway:S HELP.

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Originally Posted by mascaras

Hi

are you sure the Two "points" are conected with the pencil ?? ( only in the midle wont work )


Ok then , i will try tomorow ! :up:

regards

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Didn't work for me either, used pencils with more and more graphite 2b>4b>6b. 6b and it wouldn't post until I used a rubber to clean it off. Other than that it had no effect.

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Originally Posted by VIctorj

Guys, is there ANY freaking way to install GBTTOOLS and Dynamic energy saver on vista 64 and getting it to FREAKING work? :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing data execution prevention blocks it...even if i disable DEP it blocks it anyway:S HELP.

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Been asked before, several times. Mine and several others say no, some report success though. They seem to be in the minority.

anny working link to UD5 f4j & f4m Bios? thanks

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Originally Posted by Tommy L

anny working link to UD5 f4j & f4m Bios? thanks

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I think for UD5, most are using F4r.

For Extreme it is F4j and F4m, though more are using F4j.

But station drivers still has beta bioses up.
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/...a-ex58-ud5.htm

have those.. missing j and m.. :P

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Originally Posted by ante_ante

Can someone tell me if this is a normal score with my setup all at stock except turbo enabled. No tweaks in XP except set performance in CCC and using Cat 8.12

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7561/37917990jv8.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3...pg/1/w1280.png

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Just ran 3Dmark 03 at scored 85165 - 3.3Ghz though and Vista U x64

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Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Just ran 3Dmark 03 at scored 85165 - 3.3Ghz though and Vista U x64

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Installed Vista Home Premium x64 this night and did some testing.

3dmark01: 54800p in Xp and the same in Vista
3dmark03: 73093p in Xp and 77915 in Vista
3dmark06: 18230p in Xp and only 17200 in Vista " strange "

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1443/34447601dv1.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3...pg/1/w1280.png

Is there any good regfiles for vista that i can gain performance on?

Is anyone running D9JNM sticks successfully on these boards? I have a 2x1gb set of G.Skill HZ 1800mhz 7-7-7-18 that really doesn't like running on EX58 extreme with any bios. They was a very limited run of those kits though, perhaps they had some issues.

Seems to run ok at 1333-1400 mhz, but any more struggles to boot into windows with a variety of timings, dividers, uncore and high vdimm/vtt

It doesnt really matter though because my triple channel kit runs effortlessly :up:

Thera are quite some settings in an SPD, not only the basic 4-5 that we are used to change, so these NM that are programmed for c2d and x48 boards and down are not for set for these x58, i can imagine why its not working so good. requireing diffrent voltage, though 1.65 for NM at 1600mhz are quite difficult i think, or not? it could work though when GTR usually are rated 1.9 for cl 8 1800mhz, still little tight :)

easy tune 6 is not easy to to get working.

anybody using 6 stick and got 19x200 working?

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Originally Posted by NCspecV81

Hey, I got this yesterday as well with the updated bios. =o(

I finally recovered it from the dreaded 88 continuous boot, instant off infinite recycle. I just had to vigorously man handle the reset button like for 15 minutes straight until I saw a c1 populate the led. Then I powered off and back on, and it was miraculously covered. I got this 88 error until finally I flashed back to an older bios. I encountered the 88 code a couple of times yesterday. Sometimes it would only take a few, actually several, quick mashes of the reset button to recover to the c1. Good luck, b/c that 88 is the biggest booger ever!

Thanks Gigabyte for the wonderful bios, it definitely incapacitated my Christmas Eve!

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Originally Posted by dinos22

oh man
i hate when i have weird board issues
i recently had one with my P5E3 DLX
gave me a real scare but i got it going in the end

its good to see you get it up and running at least :)

hiwa i hope yours recovers like this too :(

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mine is dead 100% guys
:(:(

thanks for advice:up:

So has anyone made 222bus speed stable or is it just impossible?

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Originally Posted by Bjynne

So has anyone made 222bus speed stable or is it just impossible?

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Sure, with QPI on slow mode it's a piece of cake ;)

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Originally Posted by safan80

easy tune 6 is not easy to to get working.

anybody using 6 stick and got 19x200 working?

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yes, i even got even 210mhz with 6 stick working.

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Originally Posted by Xello

Sure, with QPI on slow mode it's a piece of cake ;)

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slowmode dont work, it gets overridden after boot. :yeep:

heh, I hadnt noticed that before, slow mode (100mhz in bios) is qpi of 24 (12x or 2400mhz) on mine....see pic.

Hi:
how you guys could manage to have 1.04v, or 1.14v for CPU?

I've been using the ex58-ud5, and with 180*21 I have to make it at around 1.3v. the CPUZ shows 1.280v....

quite upset....

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

slowmode dont work, it gets overridden after boot. :yeep:

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I don't think so, there's no way i could have been stable @ 222mhz otherwise. RGE is probably right, it sets 12x.

Someone with more time on their hands should investigate 12x vs 18x QPI and the difference it makes in performance :yepp:

^^^....halfway there, no diff in spi for sure...but doing my 2nd run pcmark now.

EDIT: slow mode is very appropriately named. I lost 5K points in pc mark5, just watching pcmark 5 run in slow mode was painful...couple times I thought it was crashing....it was just running real slowwwwww..basically all Hard drive activities and graphics are 30% slower on slow mode. And in case your wondering if increasing QPI from 36 to 44 makes a difference, it does not on spi, pcmark5, or everest when I downclocked my OC to where I could compare 36 vs 44. But decreasing qpi from 36 to slow mode, hoses performance of hard drive/graphics.

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You have to account for .040v....how is this confusing? I get the exact same drop and droop as you and out of the 20 775 boards that I've owned this is easily top two, number 1 being the DFI TR2SB+ X48. As for your memory performance, use turbo performance mode on the EX58, it'll tighten up a bunch of subtimings and give you better results.

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The Vdoop is not the problem, im a defender of the Good Vdroop :D
The strange issue is that we have the same real voltage from 1.4000 set in Bios to 1.37500 set in Bios. When down a notch below the 1.37500 i see 1.228v in load in ET6 and Cpuz, from 1.37500 to 1.4000, i see the same load voltage: 1.244

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Originally Posted by vega22

The Vdoop is not the problem, im a defender of the Good Vdroop :D
The strange issue is that we have the same real voltage from 1.4000 set in Bios to 1.37500 set in Bios. When down a notch below the 1.37500 i see 1.228v in load in ET6 and Cpuz, from 1.37500 to 1.4000, i see the same load voltage: 1.244

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vega22, see post 921. It is just limitation of sensors reading in steps of .016 versus bios setting .00625.

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Originally Posted by vega22

The Vdoop is not the problem, im a defender of the Good Vdroop :D
The strange issue is that we have the same real voltage from 1.4000 set in Bios to 1.37500 set in Bios. When down a notch below the 1.37500 i see 1.228v in load in ET6 and Cpuz, from 1.37500 to 1.4000, i see the same load voltage: 1.244

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Someone also told me that the voltage you set in bios according to intel latest spec is a 'maximum overshoot' voltage, meaning that you won't actually be @ that voltage but you can be safe in the knowledge that no overshoots will exceed that voltage.

They really need to shake up this system to give us more accurate reporting, or maybe cpu-z just needs an update or something :shrug:

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Originally Posted by rge

^^^....halfway there, no diff in spi for sure...but doing my 2nd run pcmark now.

EDIT: slow mode is very appropriately named. I lost 5K points in pc mark5, just watching pcmark 5 run in slow mode was painful...couple times I thought it was crashing....it was just running real slowwwwww..basically all Hard drive activities and graphics are 30% slower on slow mode. And in case your wondering if increasing QPI from 36 to 44 makes a difference, it does not on spi, pcmark5, or everest when I downclocked my OC to where I could compare 36 vs 44. But decreasing qpi from 36 to slow mode, hoses performance of hard drive/graphics.

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Thanks, i suspected this. Saaya mentioned in the 101 thread that past a certain clock QPI is vastly overpowered for desktop systems so there wouldn't be much benefit or point in upping the multi. I mean, at high bclks, say 200 bclk we're sitting @ 3600mhz and the next multi up would put us @ 4400mhz which is a no-no anyway so yeah :D

Most of my components are reaching great clocks etc but i don't believe i can be stable with my qpi much higher than say 3.85ghz anyway. The one time i tried was when my raid 0 array died, and that was with 4ghz QPI + 4 ghz Uclk. I've since been @ 4ghz uclk no problem so i believe it was the QPI that sent my drives down the pan. I won't be trying that again! My guess is the signal overshoots were too much which messed up some data (QPI goes to the southbridge aswell, right?)

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Originally Posted by rge

vega22, see post 921. It is just limitation of sensors reading in steps of .016 versus bios setting .00625.

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Sorry ... today I'm more stupid than usual. I answered without having read all the posts pending. In addition, i just write wrong all my voltages: 1.244 and 1.228 should be 1.344 and 1.328 (i should really to use excel)
IMPRESSIVE WORK rge. :clap:
All my doubts were cleared up completely with your post. Thank you so much:yepp:

here is a good diagram of QPI and other connections, it is to the I/0 hub on desktop platform (equivalent of NB), but everything from NB/SB has to through QPI eventually to get to cpu.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kttUtY0Z_z...tylersburg.gif

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Originally Posted by safan80

easy tune 6 is not easy to to get working.

anybody using 6 stick and got 19x200 working?

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I am using 6 x 2GB OCZ Gold 8-8-8-24 1.65v

200 x 21
Qpi 36x
Uncore 18x
Memory 8x

The key to get 8x memory to work with the 16x+ Uncore is to raise VDimm!!!!

I couldn't get

200 x 21
Qpi 36x
Uncore 16x
Memory 8x

stable at all. It would crash when I would try to run EQ2, but I saw a post of the OCing thread and tried it. I was able to get into EQ2 no problem and ran 2+ hours of Prime before I had to shut it down, so I still may need to test it a bit more, but to be honest, I don't game more than 3-4 hours so I'm ok with that atm.

Now, I am testing 8x memory and 20x uncore. (15 minutes prime and going)

Read this post

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1335

btw, I am using the Extreme F5a bios

I bought the 6GB OCZ GOLD PC 1280 DDR3 memory and it did not work with my Gigabyte X58 UD5 Motherboard. I had to return it, is any body had this problem, i mean DDR3 1600mhz works for them?

rge - I also tried qpi on slow - yes very painfull to watch 3dmark06 run.
My score dropped from 24900 to 3000 - qpi on slow is correctly named - slowwwwwwwww.

Lukee - what vdimm are you at now? - 1.65 - I see it.

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rge - I also tried qpi on slow - yes very painfull to watch 3dmark06 run.
My score dropped from 24900 to 3000 - qpi on slow is correctly named - slowwwwwwwww.

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This is what i was talking about before then, slow mode doesn't really serve a useful purpose that i can see. It was included i think so we could find max stable bclks, but what use is it if those bclks aren't going to be stable at the 18x multi :shrug:

It's interesting though that around 222 is the max stable bclk we're finding, because @ 12x that puts QPI to 2664mhz, well below the threshhold of stability. With all other bottlenecks removed, then, what is actually keeping bclk from going higher? It must be something to do with the cpu and the bclk itself, and if that's true i think we won't see any higher than that. Then again why should we need to, the multipliers alone are enough for everything else to reach any desired clocks right :up:

Xello - yep, bclock (capability of all of the good x58 mobo's) is not the limiter.
Seems like the primary limiter for me is heat - hitting 90s and 100 with regularity!
Getting a bit uncomfortable...

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I don't think so, there's no way i could have been stable @ 222mhz otherwise. RGE is probably right, it sets 12x.

Someone with more time on their hands should investigate 12x vs 18x QPI and the difference it makes in performance :yepp:

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Search the post form benchzowner regarding this topic. :yepp:

maybe the "fixed" it in later bios revisions, but slowmode is usually only a state when the cpu boots up and not inteded to be used in normal operations anyway :p:

GRRRRR, I bought the Gigabyte X58 Ext and an Asus P6T - Dlx, i7 920 and 3 x 2gb Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D.

Asus board runs like a dream, I can shut it down put more ram into it reboot without issues etc etc just like all my previous Asus boards.

The Gigabyte is a NIGHTMARE, first boot up was fine, flashed to the F4m bios without issues, made some bios changes rebooted no problems. Went to install os and realised I didn't have my ide cable connected for cdrw....no issue powered down and turned off the power and pluged in the ide cable, powered on and no post, just a quick fan spin up, few leds flashed then noting. Cleared cmos = nothing.

Hrm....striped the mobo down of everything and left the battery out and the jumper on the cmos pins overnight. Next morning removed the jumper, battery back in, cpu in and 1 stick of ram in + graphics card and it booted up fine, so I think okay, powered down, turned off power, put 2 more sticks of ram in and connected hdd and cd rom, power up and same trip, no post just a quick fan spin, ledf flash briefly and nothing....rince and repeat for 3 days now. Seems like anytime it's shut down it just won't re post.

Any ideas????, remember all components work fine on the P6T-D.

This might be my first and last foray into the realms of Gigabyte.

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rge - I also tried qpi on slow - yes very painfull to watch 3dmark06 run.
My score dropped from 24900 to 3000 - qpi on slow is correctly named - slowwwwwwwww.

Lukee - what vdimm are you at now? - 1.65 - I see it.

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I raised VDimm to 1.84. I'm pretty sure that I can run it at a lower voltage, but I haven't started tweaking it yet.

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I raised VDimm to 1.84. I'm pretty sure that I can run it at a lower voltage, but I haven't started tweaking it yet.

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I'm not willing to raise the Vdimm that high yet since the ram is the most expensive part.

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I'm not willing to raise the Vdimm that high yet since the ram is the most expensive part.

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Hehe.. I'm not willing to keep this 24/7, just doing a bit of testing and this was a starting point. I'll start bringing it down a bit after testing.

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Hehe.. I'm not willing to keep this 24/7, just doing a bit of testing and this was a starting point. I'll start bringing it down a bit after testing.

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let me know your voltages when you get them down and you can pass 8 hour prime blend.

Ok, Vdimm, down to 1.74 atm. still working on it. lol

Update;

If the cmos is cleared by removing all components of off the mobo and removing the battery and placing a jumper on the cmos pins for at least an hour minimum then replacing all components then the board boots fine.......however if I then shut down and try to power on the system again there is no boot and I have to go through the whole procedure again.

Bigest POS board I have ever owned.

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Update;

If the cmos is cleared by removing all components of off the mobo and removing the battery and placing a jumper on the cmos pins for at least an hour minimum then replacing all components then the board boots fine.......however if I then shut down and try to power on the system again there is no boot and I have to go through the whole procedure again.

Bigest POS board I have ever owned.

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I had the same problem with my evga X58... the X58 bioses just are not up to par yet.

My #1 ggbt x58 mobo Christmas gift list item - lower (lower than x36) qpi multipliers. :shakes:
Actually more multi's all around!

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Update;

If the cmos is cleared by removing all components of off the mobo and removing the battery and placing a jumper on the cmos pins for at least an hour minimum then replacing all components then the board boots fine.......however if I then shut down and try to power on the system again there is no boot and I have to go through the whole procedure again.

Bigest POS board I have ever owned.

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it seems you have the same cold boot bclck hole i have.

150mhz bclck works with cold boot.
151-199mhz bclck works with out a problem, but board resets after clodboot
200mhz bclck board cold boots.

I can live with that cause i intended anyways to go for 200mhz bclck, thought i need a bit higher QPI voltage is still only @ 1,35V + i have 12gb ram that puts addidtional streß on the mem controller. :yepp:

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My #1 ggbt x58 mobo Christmas gift list item - lower (lower than x36) qpi multipliers. :shakes:
Actually more multi's all around!

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There is a lower multiplier..

http://www.abload.de/img/p1010421y8g7.jpg

but if you think you can reach higher BCLK then can i tell you that it doesn´t help ;)

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There is a lower multiplier..

http://www.abload.de/img/p1010421y8g7.jpg

but if you think you can reach higher BCLK then can i tell you that it doesn´t help ;)

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You can reach higher stable blck actually, 222 for me, but what use is that on such low QPI :rolleyes:

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You can reach higher stable blck actually, 222 for me, but what use is that on such low QPI :rolleyes:

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What is the highest stable bclk, without running qpi at slow mode?

My highest stable bclk is bios dependent. My max bclk is 216 with qpi 36 or qpi slow mode using F4j or F4m. Though I know some got higher bclk with slow mode.

It is bugging the crap out of me why my max bclk is 216 in bios F4j and F4m, but 178 in bios F4 and F5a. I have tried everything using F4/F5a from red-lining every voltage, manually setting all timings same as F4j, etc but no go, there is some setting/code that I cant get to in F4/F5a. If its a hidden setting, I want to play with it:p: If buggy code, then I will wait for another bios update.

I dont like the thought of not being able to use further bios updates, if it is some setting/code change that will persist in future bioses via one of the modules, hope not the case. There are some things I dont like about current bioses that have been improved, like the slow scrolling, F4j loads like molasses.

Pic is modules and what changed from F4j to F4m to F5a, usually a change in size denotes which modules changed. Going from F4m to F5a, the _en_code.bin is just english language, etc so that change is not issue, that is just the pink/red etc text changes, with the bugged, disappearing cursor on F4 and F5a when on red/pink voltage, even the changes I like have sloppy bugs:rolleyes:.

Either the t1group or awardext.rom contains the bugged code or setting that kills my bclk, it was changed from F4j to F4m and again with F4/F5a. Havent had the nerve yet to try switching a F4j module to F5a...but if GB future bioses have improvements I want, but still prevent my bclk above 180 from one of the modules, I will try switching some modules. Hopefully with dual bios I wont kill my board...but if so I will buy a different brand. Bioses have always been weakspot of GB, unfortunately.

Anyone with an educated guess on which module most likely the culprit given pic and above?

# 0 is the culprit, although it didn't really require and educated guess ;)

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# 0 is the culprit, although it didn't really require and educated guess ;)

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Actually I did not even see the #0 code changed...lol, glad I posted that up, saved me a lot of trial and error time, thanks!

And that makes most sense.

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What is the highest stable bclk, without running qpi at slow mode?

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216, same as RGE, on F4j, which makes about 3.8ghz. I'd love to know if there is anyone who can hit the 4ghz (222x18) stable.

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Actually I did not even see the #0 code changed...lol, glad I posted that up, saved me a lot of trial and error time, thanks!

And that makes most sense.

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lol no problem. the "4" and the "A" part of the core could be easily overlooked and I actually copied all three pics and zoomed them to help me pick :banana::banana::banana::banana: out easier.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

it seems you have the same cold boot bclck hole i have.

150mhz bclck works with cold boot.
151-199mhz bclck works with out a problem, but board resets after clodboot
200mhz bclck board cold boots.

I can live with that cause i intended anyways to go for 200mhz bclck, thought i need a bit higher QPI voltage is still only @ 1,35V + i have 12gb ram that puts addidtional streß on the mem controller. :yepp:

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Cold boot hole......man, I'm talking STOCK bios settings let alone any overclocking. This POS is won't boot at all after powering down even though I have now found that I don't need to strip the board down all I have to do is leave if for half an hour then it may or may not boot up again.

Also no matter how many times I mash the Ctrl-I keys it won't let me into the Intel raid utility.....omg...pos Gigabyte :shakes:

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Cold boot hole......man, I'm talking STOCK bios settings let alone any overclocking. This POS is won't boot at all after powering down even though I have now found that I don't need to strip the board down all I have to do is leave if for half an hour then it may or may not boot up again.

Also no matter how many times I mash the Ctrl-I keys it won't let me into the Intel raid utility.....omg...pos Gigabyte :shakes:

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RMA it and move on. Whining about it in a forum isn't going to solve your problem.

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Originally Posted by lowdog

Cold boot hole......man, I'm talking STOCK bios settings let alone any overclocking. This POS is won't boot at all after powering down even though I have now found that I don't need to strip the board down all I have to do is leave if for half an hour then it may or may not boot up again.

Also no matter how many times I mash the Ctrl-I keys it won't let me into the Intel raid utility.....omg...pos Gigabyte :shakes:

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Man I feel for you, hate that kinda thing. I know this won't help any, mine worked perfectly. Never saw anything like that and I have the same ram as well. Have you tried another PSU? I know you say it all works on your P6T, maybe its a compatibility thing. Though I doubt it, more than likely its just faulty.

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Man I feel for you, hate that kinda thing. I know this won't help any, mine worked perfectly. Never saw anything like that and I have the same ram as well. Have you tried another PSU? I know you say it all works on your P6T, maybe its a compatibility thing. Though I doubt it, more than likely its just faulty.

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No unfortunately I don't have a spare psu to try. I'm just going to rma the board after the Christmas period break is over and retailers open again.


Actually....I just found my old 650w Silverstone so I'll give that a try but I have had no problems with the 1200W Toughpower with quite afew other mobo's so I'll see.

I doubt its that, but you gotta rule it out.

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No unfortunately I don't have a spare psu to try. I'm just going to rma the board after the Christmas period break is over and retailers open again.


Actually....I just found my old 650w Silverstone so I'll give that a try but I have had no problems with the 1200W Toughpower with quite afew other mobo's so I'll see.

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The problem is definitely CMOS related. Any of your jumpers or reset buttons jumped or switched in the reset position? Maybe one of the buttons are stuck? Maybe the CMOS battery is defective?

Other than that, it's RMA time for that badboy.

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Also no matter how many times I mash the Ctrl-I keys it won't let me into the Intel raid utility.....omg...pos Gigabyte :shakes:

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Let me guess.. you use an USB keyboard but forgot to enable USB keybaord support in bios? ;)
Happened to me as well, most mobos have that option on enabled by default.

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Let me guess.. you use an USB keyboard but forgot to enable USB keybaord support in bios? ;)
Happened to me as well, most mobos have that option on enabled by default.

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LOL not quite, if that was the case then hitting Del wouldn't have gotten me into the bios in the first place. :D

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Man I feel for you, hate that kinda thing. I know this won't help any, mine worked perfectly. Never saw anything like that and I have the same ram as well. Have you tried another PSU? I know you say it all works on your P6T, maybe its a compatibility thing. Though I doubt it, more than likely its just faulty.

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thers something called mass manufacturing, there are bad boards out there that just slip the QC. ;)

I agree with ReverendMaynard, RMA and end of story... i dont knwo why people hang on stuff that obviouse dont works correctly, especial on electronics.

I had my share of stuff arriving DOA or not working correct. If i can't get it working the first day -> RMA kthxbye. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard

The problem is definitely CMOS related. Any of your jumpers or reset buttons jumped or switched in the reset position? Maybe one of the buttons are stuck? Maybe the CMOS battery is defective?

Other than that, it's RMA time for that badboy.

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Battery is fine it's showing recomended 3.1v with multimeter. I well and truly feel it's rma time now.

Hey all...

I am going to join this Gigabyte club soon... just ordered an Extreme Board with a 920 and a 6Gb Corsair Dominator mem kit... and a extra GTX280 for SLI (us$ 360 was just too good to let it go)... :D

Hope everything come with 0 problems :D

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LOL not quite, if that was the case then hitting Del wouldn't have gotten me into the bios in the first place. :D

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Yes it would. That's the irony of it.. just things after post screen and before windows don't work, like if you boot to DOS from an USB drive, or if you want to enter a raidcon menu ;)

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LOL not quite, if that was the case then hitting Del wouldn't have gotten me into the bios in the first place. :D

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dumbass
it would :p:

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thers something called mass manufacturing, there are bad boards out there that just slip the QC. ;)

I agree with ReverendMaynard, RMA and end of story... i dont knwo why people hang on stuff that obviouse dont works correctly, especial on electronics.

I had my share of stuff arriving DOA or not working correct. If i can't get it working the first day -> RMA kthxbye. :yepp:

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Of course, but you cannot guarantee every components is inter compatible. Its a massive long shot, but I've seen new PSU's, big ones 1000W. That for no apparent reason wouldn't work on certain boards. It happens. Also it wouldn't be the first time either that I've sent something back, got a new one and it does the exact same thing, all because I didn't check the bloody obvious. Had a P5k-Premium that froze with new Spinpoints, complaints got a bios fix. Like I said its extremely unlikely to be the PSU, don't hurt to check is all. And as for RMA, I can't speak for your suppliers. Where I live its a royal pita to send something back, they disappear for weeks and the postage cost sucks. So I'm inclined to check what I can, anyways like I said sounds just plain faulty to me.

Tried the Silverstone 650w and the board wouldn't even boot with that :rolleyes:

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dumbass
it would :p:

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Well fm.....just learn't something then. :yepp:

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Tried the Silverstone 650w and the board wouldn't even boot with that :rolleyes:

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Lol, even better.

Dinos don't be so harsh on the guy :nono: :D

After all, his mobo seems to be a faulty one.. even though the raid entering could be fixed by setting usb options right I bet ;)

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Originally Posted by jcool

Dinos don't be so harsh on the guy :nono: :D

After all, his mobo seems to be a faulty one.. even though the raid entering could be fixed by setting usb options right I bet ;)

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Ah Dinos knows me so know big deal and correct, enabeling usb keyboard has allowed me to enter the raid utility (embarrased) but the boards flakey bios. code 88 reboot cycle and failure to power on after powering off still remains.
So there is something amiss with this board.

This may be a stupid question but I'm using 150GB Raptors and am always getting the same message when prompted to select the drivers to install with vista 64bit, even after trying drivers of the Gigabyte cd or latest Intel drivers from there site I keep getting this message after it finds the driver and I select it - "No new device could be found. Make sure the driver files are correct and located on the driver installation media".......so no windows for me.

That with the ACHI option selected? I ended up having to installing via IDE and enabling it after in Windows.

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That with the ACHI option selected? I ended up having to installing via IDE and enabling it after in Windows.

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Tried both raid and ACHI mode....same story....it's just not my day....or should i say couple of days.


BLAH, don't mind me must be the Christmas spirit. Fixed it (the raid driver issue) tried my wifes Vista 64bit sp1. cd and it's working, must of screwed up my oem vista cd by creatind an intergrated sp1 cd with Vlight..

Thanks for everyones help with the usb keyboard issue and the raid issue, feel stupid for not figuring that one out. However the other issues still remain so I'll try getting the board replaced in the new year.

Cheers.

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Dinos don't be so harsh on the guy :nono: :D

After all, his mobo seems to be a faulty one.. even though the raid entering could be fixed by setting usb options right I bet ;)

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nah dude we are aussie mates
i was just mucking around

i love lowdog the everlasting serial winger that hates when new hardware comes out but is first to upgrade and then murder companies when they get something wrong hahah

i would probably be the same too actually lol

:up:

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Ah Dinos knows me so know big deal and correct, enabeling usb keyboard has allowed me to enter the raid utility (embarrased) but the boards flakey bios. code 88 reboot cycle and failure to power on after powering off still remains.
So there is something amiss with this board.

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i have started noticing this code 88 during my LN2 benching attempt the other day

code 88 seems to be the first code that the board goes through before usual stuff

i was getting mine when i had a bad mix of volts or too low a temps

it's :banana::banana::banana::banana:in annoying