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06-10-2005, 12:52 AM
sxs112

Sempron64 First Look

http://pic.digital-info.net/andyhuang/Sempron754.jpg

E6 Step
Socket754
0.09
Voltage 1.4
add X86-64
06-10-2005, 01:27 AM
shuRe

sweet, i have seen these on sale around the UK, here is one instance : http://uk.insight.com/apps/productpr...04BF7&src=FRO1

could this be it out already? or are they soon to release. And also, how much will that 128k cache kill performance?

P.S. im placing a bet that these can o/c to 2.7G+ or air :D

Great news for our budget overclockers
06-10-2005, 01:30 AM
TMM

128K?! sheesh! thats going to kill performance enormously!
06-10-2005, 03:05 AM
Jamo

suprisingly it doesnt, i was playing with a 128k semp the other day and was very suprised by what it could do, its certainly a celeron beater even at 128k
06-10-2005, 04:14 AM
Rave

I wonder if running in 64bit mode takes up more space in the cache? 128KB could be more of a limitation with 64bit than running 32bit?

The same problem would affect the new 64bit Celerons, of course.
06-10-2005, 12:00 PM
CNCL

I think L2 cache doesn't really have a great deal of impact on performance, this is a smart move by AMD. Would those be available in 939?
06-10-2005, 12:41 PM
Cooper

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Originally Posted by CNCL

I think L2 cache doesn't really have a great deal of impact on performance, this is a smart move by AMD.

It is indeed. Some of the tests on overclockers.ru prooved it.
p.s. 128kb cache processor has an increase over 256 kb, cos it`s based on DO(90nm) stepping. Others are on CG (130nm).
As you see only WinRAR performance is very dependent on cache size.
P.P.S. It surely is Sempron 64. CPU-Z couldn`t show it`s revision, cos CPUID changed (00020FC0h -> 00020FC2h)
06-10-2005, 01:30 PM
CNCL

Hmm that's a very interesting chart, Cooper! Maybe that will give me new insight as to whether sandiego's extra 512kb cache is really worth its price tag.
06-10-2005, 02:37 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rave

I wonder if running in 64bit mode takes up more space in the cache? 128KB could be more of a limitation with 64bit than running 32bit?

not certain, but i am fairly sure your fear is correct.

also, cache may not do much for benches, but i'm convinced it helps responsiveness and multitasking a lot
06-10-2005, 04:59 PM
The Coolest

Quote:

Originally Posted by sxs112

http://pic.digital-info.net/andyhuang/Sempron754.jpg

E6 Step
Socket754
0.09
Voltage 1.4
add X86-64

Hey sxs112, try this version of GCPUID ;)
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/apps/GCPUID64.zip
06-10-2005, 06:39 PM
i found nemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamo

suprisingly it doesnt, i was playing with a 128k semp the other day and was very suprised by what it could do, its certainly a celeron beater even at 128k

lol check ur sig, it's got 128k l2 cache to begin with lol, anyways yes this chip WILL stomp a celeron, not to[:banana::banana::banana::banana:yness] brag but, i'm sure i could hand it to the best of the celeron d's @2350 mhz quite easily....[/:banana::banana::banana::banana:yness] i've seen celly's @ 4000+mhz doin' pi in 40+ seconds
06-10-2005, 06:44 PM
perkam

128k is understandable. Seems to be the tradeoff for the 64-bit featureset. Ideally the 0.09k should mean it overclocks well. Though the only thing that's certain with these is that Celeron P4s are gonna get a proper kick in the pants in the official reviews --- which would be a pretty big issue, if this was "ValueSystems.org" :D LOL j/k.

EDIT: And ofcourse, LETS NOT FORGET TO THANK SXS112 :D KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK :up:

Perkam
06-10-2005, 07:17 PM
i found nemo

don't insult my value system, lol
06-10-2005, 07:26 PM
longsiew

Too Bad! I just got my 939 3 months ago. If I know there will be a 64bit Sempron, I am sure that I will wait for the release.
06-10-2005, 10:07 PM
sxs112

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Coolest

Hey sxs112, try this version of GCPUID ;)
www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/apps/setup.zip

OK, I have a try of
06-11-2005, 06:21 AM
i found nemo

thanx sxs i knew it was comni' but thought it was 3rd quarter????
06-11-2005, 07:20 AM
thebluesgnr

Quote:

Originally Posted by i found nemo

thanx sxs i knew it was comni' but thought it was 3rd quarter????

intel forced them to do it earlier.
06-11-2005, 08:47 AM
sxs112

Quote:

Originally Posted by i found nemo

thanx sxs i knew it was comni' but thought it was 3rd quarter????

Seem at present, come on stage in mid-July soon, come on stage there will be 2600+, 2800+, 3000+, 3100+ and 3300+,etc..
06-11-2005, 09:05 AM
The Coolest

how about a screenshot of GCPUID?
06-11-2005, 10:13 AM
Jamo

Quote:

Originally Posted by i found nemo

lol check ur sig, it's got 128k l2 cache to begin with lol, anyways yes this chip WILL stomp a celeron, not to[:banana::banana::banana::banana:yness] brag but, i'm sure i could hand it to the best of the celeron d's @2350 mhz quite easily....[/:banana::banana::banana::banana:yness] i've seen celly's @ 4000+mhz doin' pi in 40+ seconds

actually its a 512k newcastle :p: not a sempron, a quick clicky on my 3d marks would have told you more :) i think these are going to be quite nice chips, hope they oc well to blow intel even more out the water
06-11-2005, 03:58 PM
The Coolest

Updated the public setup file to the latest build, 1.9.0220:
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/apps/GCPUID64.zip
06-12-2005, 07:37 PM
sxs112

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Coolest

Updated the public setup file to the latest build, 1.9.0220:
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/apps/GCPUID64.zip

http://pic.digital-info.net/andyhuang/GCPUID-754E6.jpg
06-12-2005, 07:40 PM
perkam

Good God...its a venice omg :eek: lol

That's some bang for the buck.

Perkam
06-12-2005, 07:44 PM
Bloody_Sorcerer

haha, L1 and L2 caches are the same size. for some reason i find that funny.
Those graphs of differences by cache size are very interresting. doubling cache seems to provide linear increases in some places, but not everywhere (like 01se)

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