Watch this from The INQ:
Apple finally switch to x86 - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23714
First Yonah in Mobile, then rocking with Conroe & Woodcrest @ Desktop. :woot:
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Watch this from The INQ:
Apple finally switch to x86 - http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23714
First Yonah in Mobile, then rocking with Conroe & Woodcrest @ Desktop. :woot:
so apple is becoming a manufacturer just like dell :S well bad times for apple lovers.
i read in bit tech.net that all the team making the FX for episode III were using opterons because they were a lot faster than any intel xenon and power pc
Do you like your apples green or blue?
whato do you think about apple trying to gain marketshare in the OS market and not sales in pc's..... if they fully implement their OS i think MS is going to start to worry about apple
They've been trying to take some PC marketshare by trying to be more PC-like for a while now. This is a big step, and it might work for some. I wonder if you'll be able to buy the OS and install it on a PC.
that is what i think they want to sell their OS if they can reach a decent market share with this move i think programers and developers might take in consideration tiger os x or any apple os and then we will see every single program in mac too and in that case a threat to ms
A DIY Apple sounds interesting regardless of platform.
If this happens M$ may well find itself with some very serious competition. And that would benefit consumers.
bfx
yeah i'd like to build my own apple. But there must be some stuff to make it harder to do than normal, i can't see apple just letting it happen after being so protective for the last 20 years. They seem to be heading down the road of 'we are centre of your lives' and ultimately they haven't really made much ground ever in the market, so i guess this is a new way of doing it. Might well work too, lost of people would love to have OS X on there PC.
There was a press release and theyre using Intel chips
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.htm
Quote:
Apple to Use Intel Microprocessors Beginning in 2006
WWDC 2005, SAN FRANCISCO—June 6, 2005—At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple® announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh® computers using Intel® microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. Apple previewed a version of its critically acclaimed operating system, Mac OS® X Tiger, running on an Intel-based Mac® to the over 3,800 developers attending CEO Steve Jobs’ keynote address. Apple also announced the availability of a Developer Transition Kit, consisting of an Intel-based Mac development system along with preview versions of Apple’s software, which will allow developers to prepare versions of their applications which will run on both PowerPC and Intel-based Macs.
“Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “It’s been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel’s technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years.”
“We are thrilled to have the world’s most innovative personal computer company as a customer,” said Paul Otellini, president and CEO of Intel. “Apple helped found the PC industry and throughout the years has been known for fresh ideas and new approaches. We look forward to providing advanced chip technologies, and to collaborating on new initiatives, to help Apple continue to deliver innovative products for years to come.”
“We plan to create future versions of Microsoft Office for the Mac that support both PowerPC and Intel processors,” said Roz Ho, general manager of Microsoft’s Macintosh Business Unit. “We have a strong relationship with Apple and will work closely with them to continue our long tradition of making great applications for a great platform.”
“We think this is a really smart move on Apple’s part and plan to create future versions of our Creative Suite for Macintosh that support both PowerPC and Intel processors,” said Bruce Chizen, CEO of Adobe.
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I think this might make DELL call up AMD and start using their chips more (just as INQ predicted)...
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Originally Posted by wfarid
We still have the problem where AMD is unable to supply enough chips for DELL to use them. DELL alone would suck up every single AMD chip produced and would probably need even more. But AMD is coming strong now, they're slowly but stedily picking up in marketshare and are building/planning new fabs so mabye in the next three years we could see DELL shipping PCs to avrage people with AMD CPUs in them. Opterons on the other hand would possibly make emselves into DELL PCs faster I'd guess.
i dunno i'm still pretty shocked by this move. I mean, in a way, apple is saying that x86 users have been right all along... Its kinda satisfying...
Well, as long as Apple can optimize their OSX and make it run as stable on X86 as on the old IBM chips im happy. If they can manage that Apple will be able to sell more computers at a lower price without compromizing stability and performance which is good for us consumers as it will allow Apple to get a bigger marketshare and force some more competition to the market. In a way its quite ironic that the money from the new competition ends up in intels pocket though :(
My big question is what will the mobo look like? Or even the cpu? Could it be something specially tailored for Apple based on x86 so that apple will remain the sole supplier of mac based comp or will we be able to buy a pc and install osx on it?
I truly doubt the second scenario. To me apple will still sold its computer but with a different, apple gets all the advantage with this : it will still sales comp, it'll benefit from all the soft and hardware designed for x86 (maybe in the futur mac will become a gaming rig :) ).
I'm typing right now on a PB (after giving my p4 3.2 to my bro), i was happy with intel and the perf of the chip, what annoyed me was the OS!!! I bought a mac first for the OS (tiger is just great) then for the design (to me it kicks sony's ass :p) and for the little extra's like the backlite keyboard, BT2.0 two finger trackpad ...
I forgot to say that apparently it's easy to recompile software made for ppc to intel chip. It took roughly 20 lines to make mathematica compatible !
ox x has never been that stable on g5, tbh. I've got an imac g5 for the family computer, and it's a lovely machine, the neatest internals i've ever seen, and software is really nicely done, well integrated, and a bit slow but responsive enough. However, compared to my pc, running first win2k and then winxp, it is very unstable. My pc NEVER crashes, except when i'm overclocking it. The imac however crashes very easily, but our old g4 powermac didn't, ditto for g3 imac. Moving to AMD can only be a good thing. If they use existing AMD chips, might help upgradeability as well.
don you must have a problem with your imac, osx is very stable no matter what cpu. Then you can't rule out that you had a bad lemon, it happens.
Last point, apple is not going for amd but intel only! It's easy to understand from an economic point of view : which company has 90% of market share in cpu and which compagny is most likely to exist in 5 years? AMD is still to "small" in front of Intel
yeah, but since AMD and intel are both quite similar (x86) i guess it shouldn't be to hard for a decent programmer to get os x on to AMD.
imac wise; I could well have a bad lemon. My dad uses it more than i do, but it's very nice just to use for browsing and stuff, and listening to music. Prefer my PC though. It's quite possible we do have a (slightly) bad lemon, it doesn't crash all the time, but it does crash, compared to my PC, and our mac g4 which doesn't.
I've read all sorts about the mac fan being slightly odd and stuff, so it's possible that a new firmware update or something might sort it out. Something else to look into over the summer, when time is in my hands.
I think we'll see when the mac will hit the shelve but i think apple will add something (likely in the hardware) that will make it impossible to use osx on something else than a comp they built, then forthe cpu it's easy for intel to package the chip somewhat differently so it can only be used on mac mobo. So far it's only speculation and one year in the comp world is pretty far away