How about the 3800+ Newcastle?Quick,guys

Hello guys,There is a auction in ebay Germany,a 3800 Newcastle is offered.http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MakeTrack=true
It is new.I am interested cause i want to oc it to 3GHz.
Does anybody have this processor and can say something about it?
Do you think 3GHz is possible with this one?
How about the multiplier,is it free?
The vcore can be increased same Athlon XP or same A64 Winchester?
Shall i take it?
Thanks for quick answer,guys,the auction is finished in only 8 hours.
I have the MSI K8NNeo2 and a 3500 Athlon in the moment.

Edit: nevermind

Hello Abstrakt,how is that with the multi?Is ist locked on 12?? I dont think so.
How about the Newcastle core,is it a good OCer?
Do you think it will work well with the MSI board
thanks for help

If you throw that chip under a R507 compressor, you might hit the 3GHZ if your very lucky. I'd say go for a €130 Winchester and if you're lucky you might hit 3GHZ on BOX air.

No,i have no compressor!So you think only with compressor it can make 3GHz?My 3500 makes already 2750 MHz on air.So,better not buy?

The Newcastle chips generally have issues getting to 3ghz, so i'd keep that 3500+ if i were you :)

So you mean it have problems reaching 3GHz?
thats what I wanted to know,so i dont buy,because its also expensive.If i spend that amount,I want to come to 3GHz or higher.
to come to 3GHz,what stepping or CPU would be the best?FX-55?

Newcastle 3800+(2.4ghz) has 12x multiplyer does it not? that means 3ghz should be quite possible , since you don't need to raise fsb as high, making stability more possible. the multiplyer is locked from 12x and up. but unlocked 12x and lower. I have a newscastle 3400+(2.4ghz) s754 with 12x mult and it loves to be overclocked.

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If you throw that chip under a R507 compressor, you might hit the 3GHZ if your very lucky. I'd say go for a €130 Winchester and if you're lucky you might hit 3GHZ on BOX air.

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Very lucky to hit 3GHz with a compressor but only "lucky" to get 3ghz box air with a winchester? that's the funniest stuff by far i've heard today. :D

Anyway I suggest you get the Winchester or keep your current one(seeing as it might be just as good with some better cooling), the Winchester will be faster clock for clock so you wouldn't even need to hit 3GHz to outperform the NC. You might want to check the date on it of course, newer is generally better. Also all non-FX are locked(except engineering samples, then). Good luck! :toast:

"Very lucky to hit 3GHz with a compressor but only "lucky" to get 3ghz box air with a winchester? that's the funniest stuff by far i've heard today."

MrQ3W - I meant hitting 3ghz with a Newcastle on a compressor is very lucky, as new weeks with Winchesters tend to go towards the 3ghz if given enough Vcore. Have you ever seen a Newcastle do 2800mhz on default Vcore? I have not. However, i have seen a Winchester do so.

I can't say if you're being sarcastic or not, your specific choice of words leads me to doubt.

Anyways, i would shell out the money for a Winchester, or a FX-55 if your financial situation permits it.

Thats it,the NC 3800 costs a lot of money,the FX is only 100 Euros more,I think.So,the FX should be the better choice?
I only am not sure about the overclockability of the NC!
how far can it go,let us say with 1,8 Volts and Watercooling?
Anyway,it seems more clever to me to save the money and buy an FX later on.
What you think?

No,I just looked,at alternate the 3800 NC costs 550 E and the FX-55 costs 850 E.

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No,I just looked,at alternate the 3800 NC costs 550 E and the FX-55 costs 850 E.

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You can get the fx-55 for 700, pal.

I'd go for the FX-55 all the way. i Wouldnt even think of the 3800+ :)

SAe,where to get for 700,and,is it on stock there?I would go by car if it is not too far for me(come from Frankfurt-Main)

Lowest price found today is: 733 Euros :( (norskit, mf)
I searched for these FX last week and I know there were some around 700 and in stock.

It seems they're hard to get at the moment.

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I can also recommend the 4000+ 0.13µ (iirc fx-53 with locked upper multipliers), dunno bout the 0.09µ version. You can get the boxed 4000+ for 635 Euros.

The 4000+ is the same in overclockability than the FX-55?I think multi 12 and lower is enough,no need for Multi above 12.So you think the 4000 makes 3GHz on Water?Can buy this also tray?

The 4000 costs 699 at alternate,is on stock.

Isnt the 4000 just a rebadged 53?

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Thats it,the NC 3800 costs a lot of money,the FX is only 100 Euros more,I think.So,the FX should be the better choice?
I only am not sure about the overclockability of the NC!
how far can it go,let us say with 1,8 Volts and Watercooling?
Anyway,it seems more clever to me to save the money and buy an FX later on.
What you think?

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Dont buy it. Get an fx55....nothing else comparable to it.

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The 4000+ is the same in overclockability than the FX-55?I think multi 12 and lower is enough,no need for Multi above 12.So you think the 4000 makes 3GHz on Water?Can buy this also tray?

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Like Super_strokey said, the 0.13µ 4000+ is rebadged fx-53. It's not exactly the same in ocability, but does great though.

I cannot comment on the .09µ version, but I would bet it's relatively easy compared to the 3000 and 3200+ variants to reach 3Ghz on conventional water or great air cooling.

Dumo did not really tell us why fx-55 is not comparable. Maybe he will do so later on.

@Hardcore7 Try to use preistrend.de to search for best prices ;) e-bug has the 4000+ in stock for 463Euros...

Yes,I think too,the 4000 winnie would be the best for me.But is it already available?Maybe the best for me to do is to wait for FX-57 or 4000+ winchester.Cause i have no prommie and dont want it,too.

Thanks alot guys for the information.I think i would have been disappointed with the 3800 NC.A good friend mailed me before that those chips dont go on 3GHz,even maybe not hit the 2750 MHz which my 3500 winchester makes.I have to look for Winchester CPUs,thats clear now.

There's the winnie 4000+...

http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a130268.html

Sorry mods if I am not allowed to post this here.

winnie 4000+ is a mistake , 1mo L2 and 0,09 is san diego core.