AMD "Oland" Radeon HD 8800 Series SKUs Unveiled

found this today looks really good spec wise.

http://www.techpowerup.com/172312/AM...-Unveiled.html


http://videocardz.com/34981/amd-rade...fiation-leaked

No shader count/SP specs, all this raw data doesnt help much in guessing the performance. And the price there is misleading, 7870 is <240 bucks AFAIK .
If true, the increase in transistor count is small - are they planning to push just about enough to beat 660Ti ?

EDIT: OK 5%+ increase in clock and 75% increase in SP FLOPS => ~60% increase in shader count ,so ~2048 SP ? Thats about as fast as 7970 with a crippled memory bus.

That is a 78xx series replacement... Why is it bad that it will be as fast as 7970?

If those are even remotely true, then 89x0 would be monster sized chip.

Could be a monster,it has to fight with GK110 and it's AMD's last 28nm video card,so process is better and they can increase the transistor count ;)

All of that at 160W will make it a monster of efficiecy... Can't wait to see it.
Also can't wait to see how Nvidia will come late with gk110 and be only slightly faster than the 8970 but people will call it the best thing since sliced bread.

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Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

If those are even remotely true, then 89x0 would be monster sized chip.

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Maybe, or maybe also a sign of the gap between 88x0 and 89x0 being smaller than the gap between 78x0 and 79x0.

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Originally Posted by informal

That is a 78xx series replacement... Why is it bad that it will be as fast as 7970?

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The current specs describe a card that has theoretically equivalent compute performance, in reality it wont be as fast as 7970 because the memory bandwidth will hold it back - the bus is 2/3 in width and lower clocked. I think this will be the case across all mid-high segment unless GDDR5 speeds keep on increasing.

Thoses specs are not official and be leaded from Read2ch: http://translate.google.com/translat...2FID%3AhKcZJDn
Take it as rumor or even not real specs..

For the memory bandwith... in reality taken in account with 1100mhz boost vs 925mhz on the 7970, outside 2560x1600, add some optimisation and the results should be really close of each other. ( if we trust theses specs )

SP performance look close, but for DP (not really important on a middle range card ) , we are speaking about 1/16 vs 1/4 DP rate .. ( 25% performance of the 7970 )

All specs aside the retail pricing of the unit will give the best overall indicator of average performance.

Here we go again with the baseless rumors and people getting their hopes up.....

Without rumors there would be no debate, and the interwebs would be just damn boring...

well if we don't want it to be that good. then why would amd even attempt to make our expectations happen.
we're the customers speaking having shown an interests in that.
everyone else ain't the market. if that appears attractive at that price to us. then we're the market and mass production might be able to make such financial feesable but if no demand for such, they do not produce as much and prices can only be dropped when demand is proven, later in its life.
exactly how it shows us in the market actions and behavior.
if we create a noise. we're heard and its produced more. if the price is set too high and profited beyond our value of it. they price drops due to supply exceeding demand.
i personally have not bought a gpu since 4870x2 was new. and 8850 looks attractive and i will buy at that price. otherwise i'll just wait for 9900 series to adapt to my market.
cause its appearing to me the market has been reviewer driven. accepting just what is offered. not buying the product. and if that is who they're making them for. no wonder they're overloaded with gpu's and price drops. they didn't listen to the market. only waited for the market to be marketed to by reviewers. and focused reviewing to sell product that wasn't meeting our expectations in the market they were trying to sell to.

and it would be like the good old days, of before "economic crisis" and there would be ONE REVIEW of the card, for many months. cause it met expectations in price and performance gains for the market its aimed at. and no cards gonna be justified to give away.

and the exceeding our expectations for the price. results in health recover of R&D on their side and if initial demand exceeds supply. a healthy markup for our our respective economies occurs by retailers and both win.

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Without rumors there would be no debate, and the interwebs would be just damn boring...

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How can one debate with made up items? It's like trying to debate the color of a unicorn or the temperament of the leprechaun that guards the pot of gold under the rainbow.

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

How can one debate with made up items? It's like trying to debate the color of a unicorn or the temperament of the leprechaun that guards the pot of gold under the rainbow.

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im pretty sure thats how some debates ive seen are.
although i also loose interest in specs once someone identifies them as fake.

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Originally Posted by Tao~

No shader count/SP specs, all this raw data doesnt help much in guessing the performance. And the price there is misleading, 7870 is <240 bucks AFAIK .
If true, the increase in transistor count is small - are they planning to push just about enough to beat 660Ti ?

EDIT: OK 5%+ increase in clock and 75% increase in SP FLOPS => ~60% increase in shader count ,so ~2048 SP ? Thats about as fast as 7970 with a crippled memory bus.

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with some maths i did 8870 flops *7870 clock/8870clock/7870 flops=shader ratio. then shader ratio * 7870 shader count and i got 2038, so assuming logical counts and rounding i would agree on 2048.

but since flops offer no info on actual performance just clock and shader count it looks to be a nice gain but i am not sure on how power consumption will go this gen. we could work all of the numbers back but i am to lazy

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How can one debate with made up items? It's like trying to debate the color of a unicorn or the temperament of the leprechaun that guards the pot of gold under the rainbow.

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something tells me you don't get along with unicorns.... :p

that cause unicorns are predatory and all died off. they had a spike on their heads how all horses and deer and moose say hello with a head bunt.
but they would not see it , they not say anything about it. and they had no say in the matter

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

How can one debate with made up items? It's like trying to debate the color of a unicorn or the temperament of the leprechaun that guards the pot of gold under the rainbow.

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You imply two things here, that debates can only be about factual occurrences, and that this rumour is completely inaccurate, do you wish to clarify?

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Originally Posted by Iconyu

You imply two things here, that debates can only be about factual occurrences, and that this rumour is completely inaccurate, do you wish to clarify?

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Nein. ;)

he can only not say , he wants free toys. nda , and he can be sued in quebec they got civil law to silence dissidence.

Leave my pot of gold alone.

$1 in our current fractional reserving banking system is worth over a million in credit. a piece of gold only gets you back 1700 in credit. its a worthless trinket , but has a ever decreasing industrial value in computer processors. devaluing their own currencies. exporting it to the lands with the most gold. which is rothchild banking of europe. and their vaults filled from the french english wars. to bring on another age of sodomy.

you all worked on credits. and really made at best $2 in your life.
china has a fixed market, buying up most the gold. will fix it at an all time low to provide us our processor needs at dirt cheap costs as always. and intel and amd will have to do the same to survive.

so that we can play games. that desensatize us of our humanity. let the brain worm epidemic effecting most on earth. with toys to play their games. to forget the fact, we're the terrorists in the world. only economy is made off of war. and eventually they win, the invaders always lost in war.

so that we never actually get rights in the homes and have to obey our parents commands in violation of our birth rights constantly. and all change has to start in the home

while nations with social security through the UN gave every since not worker, our poverty level in money. of $24,000 year. stolen by the province and states. to pay the workers for war criminals money. and predators upon our health and lifes. enforcing corperate laws on the citizens who only had birth rights, signed seals and delivered.

both our grandparents and ourselves are the slaves of our parent we got the worst quality of life in america , in all recorded history. we just go, less toys and more wise about money then our parents. cause they weren't gonna let us have any of it.

and its us the 55% of the population now without opportunity at work, amd need to think about. cause we don't go much to spare of our charity as its stolen by criminal mafia governments who cops don't do :banana::banana::banana::banana: about being paid by us.

cause those workers, that actually can build a PC are the 1%

HD8850 - 28nm Oland Pro

3.4 billion transistors
~ 270mm-280mm^2 die
925mhz GPU clock (975mhz Boost)
1536 Shaders
96 TMUs (93.6 GTexels/sec texture fill-rate)
32 ROPs (31.2 GPixels/sec pixel fill-rate)
6 Ghz GDDR5 @ 256-bit (192 Gb/sec memory bandwidth)
TDP 130W
(Single-Precision Compute: 2.99 Tflops, 187 Gflops Double Prec.)


HD8870 - 28nm Oland XT

3.4 billion transistors
~ 270mm-280mm^2 die
1050mhz GPU clock (1100mhz Boost)
1792 Shaders
112 TMUs (123.2 GTexels/sec texture fill-rate)
32 ROPs (35.2 GPixels/sec pixel fill-rate)
6 Ghz GDDR5 @ 256-bit (192 Gb/sec memory bandwidth)
TDP 160W
(Single-Precision Compute: 3.94 Tflops, 246 Gflops Double Prec.)

So a 27% increase in die size with a higher clock speed on the same process with a lower tdp, yeah sure. :rolleyes: