24-32 bit mp3 audio decoder plugin for winamp

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If Someone got ear for audio quality and lisiten music alot i suggest that you
Download mad decorer
Install that plugin and lisiten your music hier quality mp3 on your winamp


http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/mad-plugin/

Im using latest mad plugin 0.15.1
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mad/files/
http://www.underbit.com/products/mad

Some picts...
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/6739/snap0009.gif

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2745/snap0011.gif

Sound much better then regular decoding.
I got my soundcard sounds better then cd.
Got x-fi with 24 bit set decoding quality


To use 24-32 bits and up to 192khz output one more plugin for winamp.
Works wery good. It converts winamp sourse 44000hz sampling to 192khz realtime !
http://www.winamp.com/plugin/audiobu...reeware/151426

Use this output plugin instead: https://sourceforge.net/projects/winampopenalout/ and run the stuff at 16-bit... Much better imo. There is some added quality, but if the MP3 is 16bit, MAD plugin won't do much good.

im goin to try to dl and make winamp and x-fi sounds even better

Mad is mp3 32-24 bit decoder
I hope i can use them bouth while playing mp3

With plugin that you give me a link...
Sorry only 16 bit decoder 16 bit is enabled by winamp and only 16 bit output on souncard...



Mad decoder uses max 32 bit decoder runs too on 16 bit output soundcard
too i got is runing 32 bit output direct to 24 bit x-fi

Picture says 32 bit per sample as output on 24 bit soundcard

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/2844/snap0013.gif



And I got turned ON 24 bit option for winamp with 24 bit x-fi souncard.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3469/snap0012.gif

Your audio files need to be higher than 16-bit for this to do any good. You can output in 32-bit, if you like, but outputting a 16-bit track in 32-bit will sound exactly the same as outputting a 16-bit track in 16-bit. Same thing goes for sample rate - just setting a higher sample rate or bitrate does not magically improve the sound quality.

You'd hear much more of a difference from simply using a lossless format like FLAC instead of MP3.

is there any winamp plugin that will let you upscale stereo mp3's to 5.1
even if the front channels are duplicated to the rear ones?
that is something i haven't found yet

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Originally Posted by SoulsCollective

Your audio files need to be higher than 16-bit for this to do any good. You can output in 32-bit, if you like, but outputting a 16-bit track in 32-bit will sound exactly the same as outputting a 16-bit track in 16-bit. Same thing goes for sample rate - just setting a higher sample rate or bitrate does not magically improve the sound quality.

You'd hear much more of a difference from simply using a lossless format like FLAC instead of MP3.

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I got mp3 moust on my music folder MAD simply is 32 bit math decorer and that makes better quality to lisiten mp3

I know abaut flac, is huge as file :)

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Originally Posted by Ego

I got mp3 moust on my music folder MAD simply is 32 bit math decorer and that makes better quality to lisiten mp3

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No, it doesn't.

If your source file is 16-bit outputting in 32-bit will do nothing to improve the sound quality.

Think of it this way. You're taking a photo with a crappy camera. You get that photo printed out on standard photo paper. You then get that photo enlarged and blown up to poster size.

Your photo is simply bigger. You haven't added any more detail to the photo - you've just taken what's already there and made it larger.

This is exactly the same thing. Your source file is 16-bit. Outputting that file in 32-bit will not "add bitrate" and improve the sound quality.

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I know abaut flac, is huge as file :)

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It's really not. A FLAC rip of an album is tiny compared to the sizes of HDDs these days - my 75GB music collection is entirely in FLAC (and some of it is 24-bit/96kHz), and it would take eight days to play through all of it.

FLAC is a great format, it offers 50% compression over WAV with no audio loss. (about 300-350Mb for a CD). But I tend to rip in MP3 @ 320kbps so I can play in car.

My PC isn't exactly audiophile kit so the difference between 320 MP3, FLAC and original CD is barely noticeable. 256MP3 is acceptable, but as soon as I play a 192kbps MP3 or lower, I it sounds ugly.

hmmm isn't it buildin feature that turned off by default ? 24bit playback ?

as in the pics above, no need for an external plugin and 99% of soundcards supports 24 today.
about 32 i myself haven't encountered such files and most hq music is 24/96.

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Originally Posted by SoulsCollective

No, it doesn't.

If your source file is 16-bit outputting in 32-bit will do nothing to improve the sound quality.

Think of it this way. You're taking a photo with a crappy camera. You get that photo printed out on standard photo paper. You then get that photo enlarged and blown up to poster size.

Your photo is simply bigger. You haven't added any more detail to the photo - you've just taken what's already there and made it larger.

This is exactly the same thing. Your source file is 16-bit. Outputting that file in 32-bit will not "add bitrate" and improve the sound quality.
It's really not. A FLAC rip of an album is tiny compared to the sizes of HDDs these days - my 75GB music collection is entirely in FLAC (and some of it is 24-bit/96kHz), and it would take eight days to play through all of it.

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Today standards...., and forgoten standards as amiga and atari st/ midi or mod
Time rlly go fast

Is good that your hear :up:
One of too many

Yea I dont care abaut music, as some as freaks. I lisiten music for fun and i care that i wount hurt my hearing with crappy soundcard, and bad software decoders and with bad ass headfones/speakors




This is what im trying to say to you ppl
http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/mad-plugin/


"""How it Works
High-quality output begins with a highly accurate decoder. MAD fully satisfies the ISO/IEC 11172-4 computational accuracy requirements for compliance. However, accuracy alone is not enough.

Internally, MAD represents the decoded audio signal with high precision. Combined with a form of dither, this allows output samples to be calculated with less objectionable quantization noise and more audible dynamic range than most decoders produce today. The result is unusually high-quality output that is a more faithful reconstruction of the signal encoded in MPEG audio than you may have realized possible.
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32bit is actually 24bit padded to 32bit. Winamp MP3 decoder uses 64bit floating point internal decoder with 24bit capable output. There is hardly any room for any noticeable improvements.
What's more important is that various mixers aren't interfering. And that's the point of OpenAL and kernel streamers. They bypass windows mixer.

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Originally Posted by RejZoR

What's more important is that various mixers aren't interfering. And that's the point of OpenAL and kernel streamers. They bypass windows mixer.

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This, by the love of all that is holy this. Quoting for great justice.

And you all remember that a normal CD is 16 bit and 44kHz, right? Only reason I can see for having to play back 24/32 bit would be if someone ripped an SACD instead of a regular one.

SACD, vinyl rips, etc etc - there are many sources out there for higher bit-rates. Even some bands now are releasing digital versions of their albums in 24/96.

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Originally Posted by Ego

"""How it Works
High-quality output begins with a highly accurate decoder. MAD fully satisfies the ISO/IEC 11172-4 computational accuracy requirements for compliance. However, accuracy alone is not enough.

Internally, MAD represents the decoded audio signal with high precision. Combined with a form of dither, this allows output samples to be calculated with less objectionable quantization noise and more audible dynamic range than most decoders produce today. The result is unusually high-quality output that is a more faithful reconstruction of the signal encoded in MPEG audio than you may have realized possible.
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Dithering = smudge = distortion. :down:


FLAC, Kernel bypass, Foobar.

Winamp is dead.

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Originally Posted by STEvil

Dithering = smudge = distortion. :down:


FLAC, Kernel bypass, Foobar.

Winamp is dead.

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Ok, i think your right.
But since i got 160 gig of mp3's(and so as many others).. im just trying to make sound sounds :up: better.

Question is:which player is better than winamp. Bein using it like 12 years now(12 years of colecting). Maybe is time to move on. :shrug:

Dithering is not distortion, it's prediction. Distortion is an uncontroled deviation, dithering is a prediction in a controlled way via special algorithms. Sometimes things may get worse but in general dithering improves things.

I try foobar and winamp-mad24/32mp3 bit decoder, with same mp3 song and test it with my ears. Winamp won, song had more sound(more detailed song).

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Originally Posted by STEvil

FLAC, Kernel bypass, Foobar.

Winamp is dead.

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Using foobar with WASAPI, although not noticing a substantial difference compared to windows mixer. Yet to add a DAC to the mix, I'm hoping that will further separate the differences between the two

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Originally Posted by h20xide

Using foobar with WASAPI, although not noticing a substantial difference compared to windows mixer. Yet to add a DAC to the mix, I'm hoping that will further separate the differences between the two

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WASAPI Foobar is pretty good with a RAMdrive.

Pure Player is an alternative that loads files to RAM before playing for you - very minimalistic, though lacking in functionality. WASAPI support should be added soon. Needs NET Framework 4, though.

If you're into audio and fiddling with stuff give Fidelizer a go with these players - I'm not sure if it makes any difference to percieved audio quality mind.

New version is out http://www.winamp.com/plugin/mad-lib...b/221520?a_dgi

Foobar2000, ASIO4all, foo_out_asio, and an external DAC. Screw software EQ, dither, etc...--I want exactly what the source (typically FLAC 16/44) says to go direct to the DAC. If I'm playing anything else (24/96), I want that too to be bit-perfect to the DAC.

What's the point of high-definition lossy formats?

ok, i've been trying to keep up with different music players and their capabilities, but it's beginning to get too dayumed difficult.

i've used winamp for years, love it.
tried foobar, couldn't stand it.

most of my music is high end mp3, slowly being replaced with FLAC.

i don't even care for the newer versions of winamp, i use 2.84 i think it is? with a FLAC decoder. my speakers are nothing special, so i know i am far from getting the best sounds. but i want the quality for when i do get something worthwhile as for speakers or when i listen in my car/on the go kinda thing.

so, what is a simple player, that allows editing of files actual name and tag? has good, but simple controls?

don't like foobar, hate quicktime, hate real player.... can't recall others i've tried in the past.

myself i don't like foobar.
but that is the only one that lets me output to 5.1 from stereo mp3's that i know of.
i don't want extra seperation or any of that stuff...
i just want to be able to use all my speakers ... even if teh sound that is normaly out of the front speakers is mirrored to the back one's