Computig for grater good

I was thinkilg, what we really need as humans.

Hold old ways and continue what we do in every day, pile up more money :p:
or we need new ways to help our selfs.

As for humans we dont need to crunch to help crate (cure)=(hold old ways)....

Or swich to good ways to eliminate bad ways that hurts our body
Like smoking and drinking :) eating low quality food.
Driving on gas, instead on water, using old tech like we started 60 years ago.

Atm im not crunch/helping any of those organisations that creating nesesery evil.


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My own english is bad

I don't understand :(

Is this some sort of rant? No clue what you're trying to say here

Thank You, i just punched my computer monitor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo74Dn7W_pA

I believe he's saying one could do more or better by eating healthy, not smoke/drink, ride a bike instead of drive to work etc...
Where as he feels that crunching is a less effective to better our existence and only helps large corporations at the sacrifice of our wallets.
Something like that I think.

I think it's a rant that says crunching to solve today's problems isn't of value, we, collectively, need to clean up our acts and all of these problems will go away. Crunching to cure problems is the old, inefficient way (much like driving gasoline powered cars as opposed to water-powered cars), instead, prevent the problems in the first place by not driving said gas guzzlers, not smoking and not drinking.

It sounds like someones 12 step program has entered the 12th, evangelizing, step.
I'm just a translator, don't shoot the messenger!

He has a point. Prevention would be a better solution than treating. The problem is that all those things that need to change probably won't. And I'm pretty sure we're not lining any big corporation's pockets.
I CHOOSE TO CRUNCH!!

I say we blot out the sun, to help prevent skin cancer. I think we just need to kill a few unicorns.

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Originally Posted by shoota

He has a point. Prevention would be a better solution than treating. The problem is that all those things that need to change probably won't. And I'm pretty sure we're not lining any big corporation's pockets.
I CHOOSE TO CRUNCH!!

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Acting healthy, however, will not eliminate cancer. From what few studies we've seen, cancer is a result of increased pollution. Similarly, acting healthy won't stop AIDS and it won't help children who have only ever acted healthy and are still in ill health. It won't help find new ways to clean water or produce clean energy. It won't cure muscular dystrophy and it won't help breed hardy rice for 3rd world countries. It won't help map the climate or examine genomes, either.

His point that prevention is preferred to cure is very valid. Not smoking and drinking more moderately and avoiding drugs and getting exercise are all healthy things to do.

Or.. you could do both. Personally, I eat mostly all-natural/organic foods because my wife is an organic food nazi. However after a while of living this lifestyle I do think it's a positive change. But does this mean I don't want to help others who may be afflicted by these diseases? Not at all. There's no way everyone in the world will just magically change the way they do things, we have to be realistic not just idealistic.

It's kind of like saying I don't want to try and keep animals from going extinct because we need to change peoples behavoirs who hunt them for profit. Some things are in our sphere of influence or control, and some things are not. If you really want to be a righteous person, influence what you can instead of diffusing your responsibility to a level you can't control.

for the grater good!

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Originally Posted by Ego

I was thinkilg, what we really need as humans.

Hold old ways and continue what we do in every day, pile up more money :p:
or we need new ways to help our selfs.

As for humans we dont need to crunch to help crate (cure)=(hold old ways)....

Or swich to good ways to eliminate bad ways that hurts our body
Like smoking and drinking :) eating low quality food.
Driving on gas, instead on water, using old tech like we started 60 years ago.

Atm im not crunch/helping any of those organisations that creating nesesery evil.


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My own english is bad

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I understand what your trying to say but I think your being idealistic vs realistic.
Life is what it is my friend.
I also think you missed the point of what we are trying to accomplish and what motivates us individually.
I'll talk to you from my own personal experience and maybe that will help you understand.

I'm almost 59. Back when I was 12-13 years old ( 1964-1965) I watched my grandmother slowly die from Cancer.
She was a nice old lady with a heart of gold that I loved very much.
My last memory of her was watching my father hold her head while she threw up into a bucket moaning in pain.
I watched my father walk out of that room with tears in his eyes of frustration.
Years later I found XtremeSystems and saw all the computational power that existed here and some great people that even though this crunching we do can be expensive came and gave what they could.
Then I met this guy here named Jon Magoon.
Watched him slowly die of bladder cancer.
Watched the love in his eyes for his daughter when I met them with him knowing that he would never get to see her grow up.
Then last one of my close friends here was diagnosed with Bladder cancer last year but was one of the lucky ones and they caught it before it became life threatening.
Watched him fight this with an inner strength thats hard to describe even though the surgery he went thru was life changing in many ways.
To reverse a popular saying: " This isn't business to us, this is personal"
The last thing I want to say to you is I beleive with all my heart that the answer to these diseases is in how much computing power we can throw at it.
This isn't something I do as a hobby my friend.
This is something I do because it needs to be done.
Liker many things in life we ignore them or don't really see them until they hit us personally.
I hope you never have to go thru that experience.
Thanks for reading.

Dave sometimes I wish you wouldn't post these stories here, they always make me tear up :(

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

Dave sometimes I wish you wouldn't post these stories here, they always make me tear up :(

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I understand but sometimes they need to be said.
Also brings back memories.
My Grandmother had a small vegetable garden in her back yard.
Maybe 40x100ft.
I remember being out there with her in the late 1950's when I was 6-7 years old picking string beans and cucumbers.
Maybe another point to be made here is spend what time you can with your parents and grandparents because when they go all you have are those memories.

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Originally Posted by Ego

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As for humans we dont need to crunch to help crate (cure)=(hold old ways)....

Or swich to good ways to eliminate bad ways that hurts our body

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If your point is something along the lines of "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure", I would agree...BUT

Why not do both - crunch AND lead a healthy life? Surely you're not so cynical as to claim that our crunching efforts have no chance of finding cures or more effective treatments? (or better solar photovoltaics!) :D

If you allow that there might be even a slim chance that participating in WCG will lead to improving someone's life down the road, I suggest you install BOINC on ALL of your 7 PCs and start helping out. The life you save my be that of someone you love. :up: Plus, you'll get to enjoy the fellowship of a pretty cool and knowledgeable crowd if you join the XS team. :)

Oh, and I hope you're not assuming that folks around here aren't already being kind to their bodies and the environment; that would be a mistake. Personally, I don't even have to think about those things because the missus does it for me! :ROTF:

Regards

Living a healthy life, as far as reasonably possible, can be a huge help in staying healthy as we grow older. At the same time, I don't get to choose my genetics/epigenetics. I don't get to choose my environment growing up. Maybe I'd live longer without having been so stressed during my late teens and early twenties, but it wasn't entirely my choice. Since we can't control this, we look to what we can control. The ability to model the molecular aspects of some diseases and find potential ways to treat and mitigate the devastating effects of these diseases is well worth the cost of the electricity and computer hardware. The researchers that examine the data aren't working with an unlimited budget. If they were, they wouldn't be asking for our help. The task that the researchers are engaging is enormous in complexity and scope, and they have to involve as many resources as they can. That's where we come in-helping provide the computational resources to tackle these problems. Frankly, I don't find any shame in helping with WCG or Folding at Home or in buying hardware to help further the work done; far from it.

Wait I think everyone has missed the point here. Look at the thread title, this is a poem written from the perspective of a cheese grater.

Are we likely to find cures in our lifetimes? No. Do I believe we will? Yes, I'm optimistic. Can I lower my chances of getting a disease by living a healthy lifestyle? Yes. Will that guarantee that I won't be affected by one? No, my family has a very long history of cancer in smokers and non-smokers alike. Can my results potentially help others during my lifetime or sometime in the near or distant future? In all likelihood, yes. And that's what drives me. Everybody has the choice to live a healthy or non-healthy lifestyle, but regardless of their choice NOBODY deserves to be affected by one of these deadly diseases.

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Originally Posted by Ego

I was thinkilg, what we really need as humans.

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Is a spell checker! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ego

Atm im not crunch/helping any of those organisations that creating nesesery evil.

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So you are crunching for WCG then :up:

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Originally Posted by stoneageman

Is a spell checker! :rolleyes:


So you are crunching for WCG then :up:

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Ofc i crunching for WCG and for xs.
I simply pick what i will crunch
got computers set to for clean@water and cosmology@home

Here is why all this.
""Im saying why crunching for anti aids, if ppl dont go in safe house they pick street ho anyway to save money :shrug: ""


We need pills, ok, but habits stays same, and world eats it self.
I say no pills and live healty life :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Ego

Here is why all this.
""Im saying why crunching for anti aids, if ppl dont go in safe house they pick street ho anyway to save money :shrug: ""


We need pills, ok, but habits stays same, and world eats it self.
I say no pills and live healty life :shrug:

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Not everyone who has AIDS got the disease as a result of their personal lifestyle. Babies in Africa are infected by their mothers. Medical workers have gotten AIDS from accidentally coming into contact with dirty needles.

Some people are more vulnerable to certain diseases because of genetics, not because of their lifestyles. Their parents or grandparents may have had certain cancers or heart conditions.

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Not everyone who has AIDS got the disease as a result of their personal lifestyle. Babies in Africa are infected by their mothers. Medical workers have gotten AIDS from accidentally coming into contact with dirty needles.

Some people are more vulnerable to certain diseases because of genetics, not because of their lifestyles. Their parents or grandparents may have had certain cancers or heart conditions.

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And in addition, permanent partners who contracted the disease either by choice or by force. Blood contact is all that's needed to transfer the disease.

Don't forget the unfortunate rape victims either :(