Do You Want to Fullcover WaterBlock for P55?

Hey guys,

As you may know, anyone can accept what X58 achieved great performance and many users are using them under water. Popular waterblock companies made some fullcover waterblocks to popular brands and models for X58.

My question is that why these popular waterblock companies still are not make the fullcover waterblocks to popular brands and models on P55 in these days? I mean one piece of it LOL! Like which made for Evga Classified.

I seeing alot of people who prefer to shift the P55 platform because of their limited budget or other personal reasons. May be I may prefer to shift the P55 platform as well in near future but firstly I would like to see what waterblock companies has fullcover blocks for my future P55 mobo exactly. I also believe that i5 and P55 will have great potential on some special models like Evga P55 FTW or FTW 200. It will be great to see these products under water.

By the way, its not only issue which making the fullcover waterblock for P55, its important thing what their materials like only from acetal, only nickel or combined with nickel and plexi. This option will can improve company goals quite well too.

EK Waterblocks only has the EK-FB ASUS P7P55D Kit for P55 right now. I think they wants some more time for that. I also curious about Eddy's reply on this thread. He should have some words about the issue.

What do you think guys about these issue? I would like to know your important informations, thoughts and feelings about it down here.

Thanks for your time and reading this.

PS: I just added a poll about it. Please you use it and describe your needs in this thread.

Cheers,
Arthur

Imo... Every motherboard should have blocks available :D <-- Wants a NB/SB EK block for P6T-deluxe :(

the question for me is there anything to cool by water on this boards? may be passive stock aircooling is more than enough for good OC'ing?
If yes, I would like to see FC blocks for mobos like EVGA SLI, FTW or FTW 200

btw EK has fullcover for Maximus III Formula

yeah.,me also want full block for my giga p55 ud4p..

If there was a point/use for it yes. But from every review/user post I read it is clear that the P55 boards don't run hot and don't need the cooling power like the X58 chipset.

If you have the budget to go watercooling you'd rather go with X58 motherboards anyway.. ? especially if you're considering full watercooling (if you're doing the mobo it means you alread have the CPU and GPU covered... and enough radiator to cool all that. not cheap by any means).

not true, no way im going to be buying a x58 system but i'll deff watercool a chip on a p55, supposedly the msi p55-gd65 needs extra cooling so why not release a block for that? anything with pwm power should have waterblocks available too as we all know they get warm...

my 780i only put out something like 27w yet there are numerous blocks available for it.. mine even watercools the freakin nf200 chip as well. so why not have p55 blocks? i know i hope they are available for purchase when i snag a board in the coming months.

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Originally Posted by gmat

If you have the budget to go watercooling you'd rather go with X58 motherboards anyway.. ? especially if you're considering full watercooling (if you're doing the mobo it means you alread have the CPU and GPU covered... and enough radiator to cool all that. not cheap by any means).

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Because in some cases, gaming for example, the X58 Chipset/CPU combo is a waste of money compared to the P55 chipset. Runs hotter =/= more power consumption =/= thus need more cooling = even more cash.

Even a i5 661 Dual core runs circles around a 920 in games.

My watercool setup wil be a i5 750 with 1 or 2 HD5850. The extra $150-200 spend on an i7 rig is better spend on extra GPU power. My rig will be somewhere between €370-390 for all WC components (Just 1 360 rad)

The P55 PCH has a TDP of 4W... thats even less than a ICH9R Southbridge ;)

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Originally Posted by Elpy

Imo... Every motherboard should have blocks available :D

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I agree with you.
Why not?
I know maybe would be expensive that every brand has all the waterblocks for every motherboard but at least should be available WC blocks for thos "high end" p55 motherboards.

But in the other hand, may be a more realistic thought, why would one, who is on a budget, buy a WC block for it's P55?
I mean with the money he will spend on a WC for its P55 plus the money he spent on a i5, I am sure that he will be able to buy an i7. At least I would do that, first I would try to reach a i7 system than a i5 system with WC.

I shouldn't forget other vairants like taste, personal experiences, etc. Maybe someone who has already tryed i7 wants to take a look to an i5, and because he wants the best of the best on every one of his systems, he buy an i5 plus a compatible WC.

To conclude, for me: yes, there should be WC Blocks available for P55 motherboards, if it is not for every mother, will be for at least the most powerfull ones.

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Originally Posted by Kadett

Even a i5 661 Dual core runs circles around a 920 in games.

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Thanks for my daily laugh! :)

i would like to see some blocks too. i have a evga p55 ftw.
even thou on many boards the p55 chip cooling is not an issue, mosfet and ram cooling still is and it would be nice to have a matching FC mobo block to go with it.
if not for added cooling performance then for looks.

Yes probably only for look on P55 boards if there's no N200 chip. Because... it's not really hot during operation, also if OCed... I mean... on a X58 yes it make sense from a technical point of view for high overclocking but on P55... I don't see any technical benefit. Except, as I said, if there's some N200 chip.

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Originally Posted by Kadett

Even a i5 661 Dual core runs circles around a 920 in games.

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People really amaze me.

You guys watercool instead of going 1 up tier, and thats funny.

Personally id get the highest end EQ, then add water later.
Not get mid tier EQ and water at the same time.

A long time ago, about 5-6yrs ago... reason why we watered was we didnt need to upgrade.
We take out kit, and move it over to another platform without needing anymore then a cpu mount.

Now board blocks and GPU FC blocks change everything. There is no lets take this to the new platform when we upgrade.

So in my eyes then, Highest Tier EQ first... then the accessories which is the blocks next.

And a P55 loaded will NEVER beat a X58 loaded.
The X58 loaded will cost 70% more tho.

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

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People really amaze me.

You guys watercool instead of going 1 up tier, and thats funny.

Personally id get the highest end EQ, then add water later.
Not get mid tier EQ and water at the same time.

A long time ago, about 5-6yrs ago... reason why we watered was we didnt need to upgrade.
We take out kit, and move it over to another platform without needing anymore then a cpu mount.

Now board blocks and GPU FC blocks change everything. There is no lets take this to the new platform when we upgrade.

So in my eyes then, Highest Tier EQ first... then the accessories which is the blocks next.

And a P55 loaded will NEVER beat a X58 loaded.
The X58 loaded will cost 70% more tho.

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I'd say you're right for the most part. But some people may just be transitioning from a air cooled rig to a water cooled one, and of those most people may have just gone for a slightly milder rig than what some have here.
Besides, the Core i5 670 looks like a damn fine OCing chip for 1156.

If a water block was made for the P55 ftw, I'd probably be tempted to buy it. I don't know if it needs it, but it'd be aesthetically pleasing.

I own the EK ASUS P7P55B "set" - I will absolutely be using the mosfet block but I am still debating using the SB block for several reasons. The mosfets do indeed get hot, that's what transistors do. The SB doesn't get too hot as was previously mentioned, but routing tubing there due to the non-fullcover nature of the set seems to be more of a pain in the @$$ than cooling the SB is worth. If it were a fullcover block I would do it in a heartbeat.

About top-end P55 vs X58 performance, X58 will win but only marginally. This is due to the extra memory latency/bandwidth afforded by Quick Path Interconnect and Triple-Channel Memory.

I personally chose the P55 platform after a year of waiting for Bloomfield to transition to 32nm, but after learning that it won't happen I jumped ship to Lynnfield (yes, there will be a 32nm chip for X58 platforms, but according to all PR it will be hex-core variants. I don't want to spend the premium for that when commercial apps still do not show marked improvements and parallel computation). Lynnfield was more attractive to me because I will never go Dual-Slot SLI (only single card - but extra PCIe lanes are available on boards with the nf200 chip), I liked the idea of putting the NB on the CPU die for a reduction in required waterblocks and tube routing, as well as the overall lower TDP vs Bloomfield.

Don't forget that all current Core i-x processors share the same Nehalem core, the only thing that differs between them is the unCore that surrounds them - they all pack the same raw computing potential (barring 2/4 core model differences, etc).

But to get back on track, if there were a fullcover block I would be all over it.

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

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People really amaze me.

You guys watercool instead of going 1 up tier, and thats funny.

Personally id get the highest end EQ, then add water later.
Not get mid tier EQ and water at the same time.

A long time ago, about 5-6yrs ago... reason why we watered was we didnt need to upgrade.
We take out kit, and move it over to another platform without needing anymore then a cpu mount.

Now board blocks and GPU FC blocks change everything. There is no lets take this to the new platform when we upgrade.

So in my eyes then, Highest Tier EQ first... then the accessories which is the blocks next.

And a P55 loaded will NEVER beat a X58 loaded.
The X58 loaded will cost 70% more tho.

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I clearly ment gaming, not benchmarking or using heavy programs to encode. And you proven yourself wrong with your last sentence. Why spend 70% more when the task at hand doesn't need it. Why waste that 70% more on maybe 10-20% overall performance boost. If you got money to spare, go for it. But realize some people have a limit in what to spend and spend it wisely ;)

Why should I 'go up' when the parts I've chosen are perfectly suited for my tasks(mostly Gaming and some video encoding). Socket 1366 will cost me rougly €200 more (not even considering the WC parts needed to cool = €150 more) and dont give me any frame more per second when I'm gaming compared to a i5 750. Add a second HD5850 to the rig for that €200(even if the P55 only supports x8 PCIE 2.0 lanes) and voila; you double your fps and saved yourself the trouble of dealing with an extra WC block in the loop.

I'm gonna watercool the rig because its f'in hot here in the summer and I dont want to listen to a HD5850 jetplane fan. Since the P55 doesn't need a WC block (finally on topic again :D) the only part that can be used once is my EK 5850 block. And because I dont buy a new card within 2-3 years that money is rather well spend.

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

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People really amaze me.

You guys watercool instead of going 1 up tier, and thats funny.

Personally id get the highest end EQ, then add water later.
Not get mid tier EQ and water at the same time.

A long time ago, about 5-6yrs ago... reason why we watered was we didnt need to upgrade.
We take out kit, and move it over to another platform without needing anymore then a cpu mount.

Now board blocks and GPU FC blocks change everything. There is no lets take this to the new platform when we upgrade.

So in my eyes then, Highest Tier EQ first... then the accessories which is the blocks next.

And a P55 loaded will NEVER beat a X58 loaded.
The X58 loaded will cost 70% more tho.

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i understand where youre coming from but by that logic we should all have Core i7 965's or whatever the baddest one is before we oc... there are plenty of people out here who dont do everything at once nor can they afford to so they are doign what they can with a P55 system and wish to watercool it later. after doing some research i now realize i could easily get away with just a new block for the cpu and leave air cooling on everything and be just fine unless there is some pwm power on the board in which case i'd want to put a block on that. either way im not goign with core i7... i dont edit movies or run the WCG stuff or use my box as a server so the extra memory bandwidth is really just an extra cost, i also dont plan on ever running more than one video card again... at the time i bought my board and CPU the 780i was the baddest thing i could find and the Q6600 was the baddest cpu i could find before the next step up was double the price... and it was a waste... id rather get 85-90% of the performance for 50% of the cost now... thats why we are dealing with P55

sorry for the long rant. :yepp:

i would love a block for my EVGA P55 FTW (non nf200)

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Originally Posted by Kadett

Because in some cases, gaming for example, the X58 Chipset/CPU combo is a waste of money compared to the P55 chipset. Runs hotter =/= more power consumption =/= thus need more cooling = even more cash.

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so instead your gonna watercool a P55?

According to your statement,

The P55 = runs cooler, less power consumption... thus wouldnt need watercooling... instead of spending the money on water get better GPU's then.

If u do see FB blocks for the P55, it will be only on the high end.
The P series itself is not in the enthusiast catigory.

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Originally Posted by RoadconeTuning

i understand where youre coming from but by that logic we should all have Core i7 965's or whatever the baddest one is before we oc... there are plenty of people out here who dont do everything at once nor can they afford to so they are doign what they can with a P55 system and wish to watercool it later. after doing some research i now realize i could easily get away with just a new block for the cpu and leave air cooling on everything and be just fine unless there is some pwm power on the board in which case i'd want to put a block on that. either way im not goign with core i7... i dont edit movies or run the WCG stuff or use my box as a server so the extra memory bandwidth is really just an extra cost, i also dont plan on ever running more than one video card again... at the time i bought my board and CPU the 780i was the baddest thing i could find and the Q6600 was the baddest cpu i could find before the next step up was double the price... and it was a waste... id rather get 85-90% of the performance for 50% of the cost now... thats why we are dealing with P55

sorry for the long rant. :yepp:

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Did u not understand what i said? and kept saying?

So your gonna invest 200-300 extra dollars on a full board + setup instead of stepping up one tier?
Does that honestly make any sense?

And yes its about 200-300 dollars.
We calculate full board block @ 100-150 + Pump (70-90) + Accessories.

No it makes no financial sense, unless your going for looks.
And to vendors it makes even less sense to please a small target of the audience.

If you bought a P55... 90% of the reasons why u bought it is because STRAIGHT UP you couldnt afford a X58 OR didnt see the need for excess.
And now your asking for excess when you didnt see/want it in the first place? (seriously... cry me a river.. you made a poor judgement in platforms).

If your in the 10% catigory, then you guys are expecting the vendors to please you guys?

Sorry... the 10% of you guys who have a P55, sell your stuff, and get a X58.
X58 users are more likely to dish out the cash for all this stuff and also get a vendor response doing so, and your guys are really crying for the moon.

P55 = budget / Consumer grade...
FULLBOARD blocks IS NEVER IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS BUDGET... and its most definitely not consumer grade.

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Originally Posted by Elpy

Wants a NB/SB EK block for P6T-deluxe :(

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EK should have one...
I didnt want to wait for a vendor so i had mine customed out..

If you really want to bling... custom it.

Bei Fei + Duniek + Iandh.

I just listed our 3 best custom builders our forum has to offer.

I love NaeKuh, but I have to say that I totally disagree with his argument that in terms of computers and water cooling, you have to "go big, or go home". And I totally agree with RoadconeTuning, Kadett, and Antioch that water cooling less than the most expensive components makes sense. A P55 board with an i5 Lynnfield with a single HD 5850, is an excellent choice, and it makes sense to water cool such a rig for all of the reasons stated above by RoadconeTuning, Kadett, and Antioch, so I won't repeat those arguments here.

IMHO, the purpose of water cooling is to push the the performance of the components we buy way beyond what their manufacturers intended. This is the same motivation behind overclocking in general, to get more than what you paid for, to get top shelf performance at a bottom shelf price. Overclocking however generates heat, and water cooling is the most efficient way to remove that extra heat. So why not water cool an i5? If you are one of the people who feel that the i5 + P55 platform is a better value than the i7 +X58 platform, why are you not allowed to water cool it? Assuming the water cooling costs are the same, are you not still saving money by water cooling the i5 + P55 platform? The argument that you must buy the i7 +X58 platform and air cool it, does not make sense to me.

Now NaeKuh is absolutely right that the water block makers should only make blocks with the highest profit potential, and he may even be right that the highest profit potential is to make blocks only for the i7 +X58 platform crowd, because they presumably have more disposable income to spend (because they are richer). However, I would not be so quick to eliminate the i5 + P55 platform people from my potential customer base as impoverished peasants either. There are always going to be more peasants than noblemen. So it might be true that you can sell a few expensive X58 blocks to some rich folks, but you might also be able to sell a lot more less expensive P55 blocks to the more middle class people. This however is really a business decision, with considerable business risk, and the seller would have to sell a lot of P55 blocks in order to lower the price through the lower marginal cost created by high volume sales.

So what am I saying? In a perfect world, I would like to see a P55 block. However, in reality it might not be feasible. X58 people will pay $100+ for a full coverage water block. But will P55 people pay that? Are there enough P55 customers to justify a $50 price for a full coverage block? I have no idea, and I am not in a position to make this kind of business decision, but maybe Eddy at EK, or the boys in Taiwan will try it.

Last thing: On a personal note, I am right now thinking about water cooling a $99 AMD Propus quad core. :up: The main reason for doing it, is that NaeKuh is going to hate it! I think it will cost $500 for the computer parts, and $500 for the water cooling parts. Not to mention the case which could be another $500! iNsan3? Not to me, it makes perfect sense. ;)

Then fine.. u guys want a taste of upper tier...

Contact one of the 3 guys i just listed.

Iandh = Cali
Bei Fei = Texas
Duniek = EU

Have them make you a Fullboard block.

However i honestly think a 200 dollar GPU/CPU upgrade > Full board block.

200 dollars would also get you 2 SSD's to Raid...

My 2 cents into this top-tier vs. lower-tier+watercooling argument. Water cooling has advantages over air. It is up to a user to choose between the performance difference of going higher tier and the watercooling advantages of watercooling a lower tier computer. You can't assume that anyone who chooses the watercooling advantages over the performance difference is wrong. It all depends on circumstance.

For example, if somebody doesn't need the encoding/multi-thread power of an i7 but wants a very silent computer, then it absolutely makes sense for him to buy a cheaper Phenom II rig and a waterloop.

I'm not getting into the pissing match because you guys are arguing over personal preferences more than anything else. Some do it just because they can, some for looks and some for performance... we all have our own means of justification, now group hug. :)

What I do want to comment on is the idea that wattage of a chip determines whether or not to cool it, which isn't always the case as chips have operating temperature ranges. The chip may only output 5W, but if you exceed the operating temperature range then your stability is out the window and you'll need to find better cooling to regain stability or push your gear like you want.

Now back to my cave I go. :D