BIOS fixes

Ok, I talked to Lord Trident about this. I decide to open a thread about BIOS and bugs that needs to be fixed. I'll collect every information and put it here in first post. I also hope that you'll take part in this and help with information.

I hope this thread will help to fix BIOS bugs quicker

Bloodrage

1.Fully adjustable PCI-E Frequency

2.Cas Latency 1 lower then it should be

3.CPU and IOH QPI Latency options - if you scroll up from auto to 256, it doesn't let you scroll back down to 0

4.If fans are set to anything other than full or smart, it will cause issues with the way the bios reports the voltages.



Blackops
1 - On 1:3,2 dividers DIMM1/DIMM2 works very well (up to 570mhz easy) , instead DIMM3/DIMM4 have a wall at 480/490

2 - VTT voltage bios menu that start from 1,2v for 45nm CPUs (better use a bios menu with +0,075 ; +0,150 etc) instead 1,1v.



Destroyer
1.The CPU->NB multi cannot be adjusted in the bios.

2.Raising the Reference Clock in the bios above 250Mhz results in unprecise Clocks in fact, due to CPU-Z. 250Mhz does effect correct 2250Mhz HT and NB Clock. 251Mhz in contrast results in weird Clocks like 249.1Mhz Ref., 2241,9 HT and NB, additonally, the CPU Clock also doesn't match the bios clock. 252Mhz is identically (!) with the 251Mhz-Option, while 253Mhz in Bios results in a CPU-Z-Clock of 252.1Mhz.

3. Setting the nforce780a SATA-Controller to AHCI Mode make it impossible to check the SMART-attributes, they are simply invisible, just like the temperatures of the Hard Drives. Additionally, while in AHCI mode, all Hard Disks are "invisible" in the bios. Is this a chipset-related issue or rather a problem of the bios?

4.If you allow the system to drop into S3 sleep mode (S1 sleep works fine), FSB come back to default 200MHz


SOLVED

Bloodrage

1.Turbo only works with EIST on after 200BCLK, 200 and below you can have EIST turned off and it worked fine. -->> no problems with this. Turbo IS a part of eist, there is no way to turn off eist and have turbo...

2.Default voltages change going lower then higher, etc.. I.E. Vcore would default at 1.23v, I make all my adjustments, verify several times that the bios has them and is using them. Then out of no where the default vvore voltage drops to 1.11v, which is fine except it makes the whole thing unstable. -->> The real problem is vcore vid recognition which still doesn't seem to work 100% correctly, but there is no problems with system stability

Nice idea...I hope that this works better that the corrections that we asked in past to saaya an foxconn support directly.......

Blackops needs to fix:
1 - the dividers 1:3 and 1:3,2 from 490 to 600........
2 - VTT voltage bios menu that start from 1,2v for 45nm CPUs (better use a bios menu with +0,075 ; +0,150 ...etc...) instaed 1,1v.

great idea :up:

destroyer:
cpu-nb multi problem (already in the list)

its time to fix this :(

If there is some another bug, even a smaller one (let say aegis panel doesn't work etc...), let me know

There's already a huge bug list thread for the BloodRage...

Post it her, I didn't find any other bug (well to be honest, didn't search a lot of threads cause I didn't had time, will do during this week)

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Originally Posted by quake6

If there is some another bug, even a smaller one (let say aegis panel doesn't work etc...), let me know

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my aegis panel isnt working for me. but didnt tried the P15 Bios (P14 is running atm)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=212015

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=213785

I see that you were using G13 and other were using G19 (last post was with G19 BIOS), so I think that is kinda old... I'll power my BR and see if there is some of these bugs and write it here... About wishlist, I can put it here (that is also worth about Destroyer or Blackops), but I think bugs are the first one to solve....

Also I'll send you pm about this

@AWOS74: Can you just give it a try if it isn't a problem?
Anyone else with that problem? And what aegis version are you using?

P06/P08 for BR:

1 - If fans are set to anything other than full or smart, it will cause issues with the way the bios reports the voltages.
2 - Turbo only works with EIST on after 200BCLK, 200 and below you can have EIST turned off and it workd fine.
3 - Default voltages change going lower then higher, etc.. I.E. Vcore would default at 1.23v, I make all my adjustments, verify several times that the bios has them and is using them. Then out of no where the default vvore voltage drops to 1.11v, which is fine except it makes the whole thing unstable.

I have more, but that will have to do for right now.

Most of the bugs from the thread remain unsolved in G25 / P06 / P07 / G22.

bump

The recently released P16 BIOS for the destroyer say they "Fix ADX245 Processor S3 resume fail."

Does that mean the FSB will no longer reset to default when the computer resumes from S3 sleep mode? If so, time to cross that one off the list in the first post. :clap:

I am beginning to feel foxconn has quit on us. There is no longer any website for the quantum force produts to my knowledge, and the main system d/l's page is little to no use.

I bought this mother board thinking that the manufacture would offer on going support, I now see that foxconn has become worse then asus.

I feel like I have been riped off.

It does not take over a month to fix these problems, and I for one can not understand what the hold up is all about- save that money is obviously the concern. :shocked: :mad: :confused: :down:

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Originally Posted by dragonz1r

I am beginning to feel foxconn has quit on us. There is no longer any website for the quantum force produts to my knowledge, and the main system d/l's page is little to no use.

I bought this mother board thinking that the manufacture would offer on going support, I now see that foxconn has become worse then asus.

I feel like I have been riped off.

It does not take over a month to fix these problems, and I for one can not understand what the hold up is all about- save that money is obviously the concern. :shocked: :mad: :confused: :down:

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Well.. who knows? :shrug: But considering they are going to launch at least Infernal Katana P55 .. I think that they'll make quantum-force.net working again.. hopefully.

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Originally Posted by dragonz1r

I am beginning to feel foxconn has quit on us. There is no longer any website for the quantum force produts to my knowledge, and the main system d/l's page is little to no use.

I bought this mother board thinking that the manufacture would offer on going support, I now see that foxconn has become worse then asus.

I feel like I have been riped off.

It does not take over a month to fix these problems, and I for one can not understand what the hold up is all about- save that money is obviously the concern. :shocked: :mad: :confused: :down:

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Chill dude, Quantum Force may be changing a bit (inc website that will be back) but Foxconn as a company are going nowhere.

Your board will get support, BIOS updates and RMA - they've got to provide that. :up:

As for "a month"...well...yeah, it can take that long. Who do you know that fixes any problem with a board within a month? That's a bit unreasonable. What's the problem you've got? :)

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Originally Posted by Mescalamba

But considering they are going to launch at least Infernal Katana P55

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Infernal...........

...............Katana

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

XmX

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Originally Posted by quake6

Ok, I talked to Lord Trident about this. I decide to open a thread about BIOS and bugs that needs to be fixed. I'll collect every information and put it here in first post. I also hope that you'll take part in this and help with information.

I hope this thread will help to fix BIOS bugs quicker

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good luck carl!
and thanks quake and carl for at least giving it a try :toast:

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Originally Posted by quake6

Bloodrage
1.Fully adjustable PCI-E Frequency

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i thought that works now?

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Originally Posted by quake6

2.Cas Latency 1 lower then it should be

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should work fine? i havent had any probs with several kits... :shrug:
if there are probs its spd related, so mention what mem you use and if possible send an spd dump to carl, that should help :)

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Originally Posted by quake6

3.CPU and IOH QPI Latency options - if you scroll up from auto to 256, it doesn't let you scroll back down to 0

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should be easy to fix

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Originally Posted by quake6

4.If fans are set to anything other than full or smart, it will cause issues with the way the bios reports the voltages.

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what voltages? i didnt notice anything and im using 4 fans, some set to smartfan, some to full and some to percentage...

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Originally Posted by quake6

5.Turbo only works with EIST on after 200BCLK, 200 and below you can have EIST turned off and it workd fine.

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turbo IS a part of eist... theres no way to turn off eist and have turbo...
if you turn off eist first and then enable cpu turbo itll enable eist again, if thats what you mean :D
or you might mean cXe... you can disable cXe which will enable turbo but disable vcore dropping in idle... and you can set turbo to always on or disable eist in windows which means turbo will still work but it wont drop the cpu multi and vcore in idle... there are several ways to get what pretty much every combination... not sure what exactly you want...

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Originally Posted by quake6

6.Default voltages change going lower then higher, etc.. I.E. Vcore would default at 1.23v, I make all my adjustments, verify several times that the bios has them and is using them. Then out of no where the default vvore voltage drops to 1.11v, which is fine except it makes the whole thing unstable.

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you mean idle vcore? there are several ways to change that, disable cXe, enable/disable droop (for some en works better for some dis...)

the real problem is vcore vid recognition which still doesnt seem to work 100% correctly...

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Originally Posted by XmikeX

Infernal...........

...............Katana

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

XmX

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just so you know... thats none of the names i suggested before i left... :D

its not very creative, basically its flaming blade using diferent words...
flame = inferno
blade = katana

which makes sense as FB and IK? are both mainstream price/perf boards...
but inferno katana... abreviation IK? *shudder*

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1.Fully adjustable PCI-E Frequency

i thought that works now?

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You can set 103MHz PCI-E. For higher, I think this is hardware issue? Cause there is mod that you need to do for higher PCI-E? Also I heard something that you can go higher in windows with SET FSB, anyone tried? Also what is generator for set fsb? I might give it a try today

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2.Cas Latency 1 lower then it should be

should work fine? i havent had any probs with several kits...
if there are probs its spd related, so mention what mem you use and if possible send an spd dump to carl, that should help

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When you set 6 or 7 (don't remember correct), you get wrong reading. But didn't test it, maybe it is just wrong reading....

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3.CPU and IOH QPI Latency options - if you scroll up from auto to 256, it doesn't let you scroll back down to 0

should be easy to fix

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I hope so

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4.If fans are set to anything other than full or smart, it will cause issues with the way the bios reports the voltages.

what voltages? i didnt notice anything and im using 4 fans, some set to smartfan, some to full and some to percentage...

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I didn't test this, someone told me about this and I just put it in the list... Will give it a try...

Can someone please answer to this, who reported it...?

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5.Turbo only works with EIST on after 200BCLK, 200 and below you can have EIST turned off and it workd fine.
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turbo IS a part of eist... theres no way to turn off eist and have turbo...
if you turn off eist first and then enable cpu turbo itll enable eist again, if thats what you mean
or you might mean cXe... you can disable cXe which will enable turbo but disable vcore dropping in idle... and you can set turbo to always on or disable eist in windows which means turbo will still work but it wont drop the cpu multi and vcore in idle... there are several ways to get what pretty much every combination... not sure what exactly you want...

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That reported Utnorris.. I tested and had zero problems with that... So I'll remove it from the list

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6.Default voltages change going lower then higher, etc.. I.E. Vcore would default at 1.23v, I make all my adjustments, verify several times that the bios has them and is using them. Then out of no where the default vvore voltage drops to 1.11v, which is fine except it makes the whole thing unstable.
you mean idle vcore? there are several ways to change that, disable cXe, enable/disable droop (for some en works better for some dis...)

the real problem is vcore vid recognition which still doesnt seem to work 100% correctly...

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So the problem is vcore vid recognition?

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Infernal...........

...............Katana

XmX
just so you know... thats none of the names i suggested before i left...

its not very creative, basically its flaming blade using diferent words...
flame = inferno
blade = katana

which makes sense as FB and IK? are both mainstream price/perf boards...
but inferno katana... abreviation IK? *shudder*

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The problem isn't about naming, it is about bios support... If it is working fine, I don't care about name... There is only two big problems about blackops, divider and wrong VTT (0,1v higher than it should be in bios)... And we are waiting for this too long... Also what about BR, Destroyer?? Too bad about this situation

Regarding the PCI-E speed, you can set it to 103Mhz (anything more and there is no POST) at bios which results in 102.4Mhz.
In windows you can bump that to 103.4mhz (anything more and it will freeze) using setFSB, the Clock Generator chip for Bloodrage is: ICS9LPRS139AKLF.

The only way to go above afaik is using the hard mod of moving resistor 128 to 125.
I am going to try it tonight and see if it helps, because I kind of like this board, it will be too bad if 229Mhz bclk will be my max.

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Originally Posted by quake6

When you set 6 or 7 (don't remember correct), you get wrong reading. But didn't test it, maybe it is just wrong reading....

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ohhh really? thats still not fixed? i reported that a loooong time ago... ill have a look what cas setting results in what actual setting... tras doesnt work 100% correctly either but it doesnt really matter so lets not ask them to spend their time on that :D

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Originally Posted by quake6

I didn't test this, someone told me about this and I just put it in the list... Will give it a try...
Can someone please answer to this, who reported it...?

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i played with it again and it works fine... but im on P03, i know it was broken later on and i reported it and got a beta that had it fixed... so G25 and later should have it working i think...

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That reported Utnorris.. I tested and had zero problems with that... So I'll remove it from the list

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maybe he really has a broken board after all... idk, i didnt actually check his thread again... carl should probably talk to him or foxconn tech support and figure out whats wrong

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Originally Posted by quake6

So the problem is vcore vid recognition?

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well thats all i can think of... but then again, this is utnorris right? he said the voltage actually changed on the fly... well thats normal, depending on the load the cpu will adjust the vcore unless you disable CxE...

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The problem isn't about naming, it is about bios support... If it is working fine, I don't care about name... There is only two big problems about blackops, divider and wrong VTT (0,1v higher than it should be in bios)... And we are waiting for this too long... Also what about BR, Destroyer?? Too bad about this situation

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yeah i know... and the vtt thing is ridiculous, one of the first things i ever asked to have changed when i joined foxconn :D

BR bios support is great imo... a bit slow, but it keeps getting improved... they definately gave up trying to push it as THE enthusiast board, but they still add new features that really help and fix stuff, so thats good... look at msis highend board, the msi eclipse plus... its coming out now, or a few weeks ago, and there is 1.... 1 single bios for it...

i havent followed asus and gigabytes bios release speed and how they fix stuff, but i think BR bios support has been pretty good. could have been better, but its good enough for sure, at least for me...

destroyer, yeah another one of those things where nothing seems to happen... i asked the responsible bios engineer to seperate northbridge and htt multipliers and it took me weeks to convince him that this is possible to begin with... he claimed its impossible without looking into it, obviouisly, as even asrock boards have those options available and seperate :rolleyes:

sorry, i better stop, dont wanna rant :D

BO, BR and FB and in future IK are from the same bios engineer, and their bioses work very well imo and get updated frequently... except for BO... why... im not sure myself...

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i asked the responsible bios engineer to seperate northbridge and htt multipliers and it took me weeks to convince him that this is possible to begin with...

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Yeah, that would be definitely the best and most logic way to adjust that option, also this is the common way by nearly every other brand like asus, ga, asrock and so on. It is hard to understand that especially foxconn cannot implement this matter of course. And I didn't mention the issue that the CPU NB voltage also cannot be modified. :confused:

and i asked the hw engineers to create a vcore mod for destroyer to get more than 1.65vcore and they couldnt do that either for some reason... :shrug:
considering all that i think destroyer is a surprisingly well designed and well working board :D

Nice to see you again on foxconn support, Saaya!
Do you think that we'll see to solve the issues of Blackops??? Is from the birth of this board that we ask for a fix of Ram dividers!!!

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4.If fans are set to anything other than full or smart, it will cause issues with the way the bios reports the voltages.

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what voltages? i didnt notice anything and im using 4 fans, some set to smartfan, some to full and some to percentage...
I didn't test this, someone told me about this and I just put it in the list... Will give it a try...

Can someone please answer to this, who reported it...?

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I tested this with P08. If you set fan the fan speed to a certain % then all the voltages will show around 4.08 and the 12V will show ~16. I am not sure what % will cause this issue, but I was running all my fans at %60.