at which clock does phenom II beat core 2

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03-10-2009, 09:25 AM
Mad-Marty

at which clock does phenom II beat core 2

Hi,

I'am wondering what clockrate a phenom II with DDR2-800 would need
to deliver equal performance as a Core 2 Duo 4300 @ 3100 Mhz (2 MB shared L2, 344 x 9).

Any guesses based on primarily games ... not counting additional cores here.
(Yep i know there are 2 or 3 games out which could use more then 2 cores theoretically ;-)

Thanks
03-10-2009, 09:34 AM
trt740

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad-Marty

Hi,

I'am wondering what clockrate a phenom II with DDR2-800 would need
to deliver equal performance as a Core 2 Duo 4300 @ 3100 Mhz (2 MB shared L2, 344 x 9).

Any guesses based on primarily games ... not counting additional cores here.
(Yep i know there are 2 or 3 games out which could use more then 2 cores theoretically ;-)

Thanks

should beat it a default by a bunch
03-10-2009, 09:43 AM
Tom128

I think that CPU loses to a Ph2 clock for clock because of the low cache. Not positive though. I think you need a Q6600 or better to beat tie/win per clock.
03-10-2009, 10:06 AM
Kei

Until you start to get into the Q9400 and above range you really don't have anything to beat the PII. You have no worries if you get one.

Kei
03-10-2009, 12:57 PM
FlanK3r

In games is now +- similary Core Quad York vs PII
In apliaction, some for PII, some for Yorkfield.
In all average +- at 32bit system is PII 940 similary with Q9400-9550
In all at 64 bit system is PII 940 -+ similary with Q9550-9650
interest is this, simlary average PII 940 OC at 4.1GHz is as i7 965 3.2GHz

all in one, Phenom II is good CPU comparable with Yorkfield processors:up: (i have read about 30 reviews Phenoms II :-) )
03-10-2009, 01:46 PM
Mad-Marty

thank you all for your answers.

So basically a phenom 2 x4 @2.6 Ghz will outperform the 3.1 Ghz Core 2 already?
WOW, did not expect that.
03-10-2009, 01:50 PM
YukonTrooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad-Marty

thank you all for your answers.

So basically a phenom 2 x4 @2.6 Ghz will outperform the 3.1 Ghz Core 2 already?
WOW, did not expect that.

Depends what you're doing.
03-10-2009, 06:56 PM
swaaye

Phenom II is slower per clock per core compared to Conroe, Kentsfield, Wolfdale and Yorkfield. Takes a few hundred higher MHz on a PII to equal the Core 2. Fortunately AMD sells the PII 940 to line up with chips that are about its equal with regards to performance, but the Intel chips are clocked lower and are even cache gimped a bit.

PII is a good value for the money thanks to AMD's smart pricing. Intel charges more because they can.

If you can't or don't want to spring for Core i7, then Phenom II is a great option.
03-10-2009, 07:05 PM
demonkevy666

Quote:

Originally Posted by swaaye

Phenom II is slower per clock per core compared to Conroe, Kentsfield, Wolfdale and Yorkfield. Takes a few hundred higher MHz on a PII to equal the Core 2. Fortunately AMD sells the PII 940 to line up with chips that are about its equal with regards to performance, but the Intel chips are clocked lower and are even cache gimped a bit.

PII is a good value for the money thanks to AMD's smart pricing. Intel charges more because they can.

If you can't or don't want to spring for Core i7, then Phenom II is a great option.

I don't believe that's true, but that is the notion this whole forum believes
1/2 the cache of the phenom II is L3 cache and not clocked up like L2 is.
512KBytes is like 50mhz of core speed.
cache hungry core 2 quad really beat phenom to with there extra 4mbs of L2 cache.
03-10-2009, 07:07 PM
Shrekogre

my civ4 start lagging when I have a lot of cities on a e5200@ 3.6ghz. My king's bounty legend also have some lagging. But after changing to X3 720BE running with 3 cores, both game run much smoother @3.3ghz. this is using the same os/game installation when i make the switch
03-10-2009, 07:38 PM
Brother Esau

You wont notice the difference other then Less Latency in general Use anyway! Sorry But my Phenom 9600 BE @ Stock had No issued=s what so ever running Professional Apps such as ADOBE CS3 Web Design Premium Suite , WaveLab 5 Professional Digital Music Re-Mastering Software AVS Video Conversion Software, Offfice Enterprise etc ,etc compared to the Q6600 @3,55ghz so you see this Core2 vs Phenom B.S is way over Rated and a bunch of Nonsense....it just is!

And thats with a lowly Phenom 1 9600 BE @ Stock too let alone a PhenomII 940 BE @ 3.8GHZ:yepp:

And as far as gaming goes well lets just say the Fluent natural Feel and sheer performance in Game AMD is still the better gaming processor!
03-11-2009, 03:07 AM
FlanK3r

basically, PII 3000MHz is equivalent to Yorkfiled 2850MHz or Kentsfield 3100MHz. my meaning is, PII is BETTER! than Kentsfield (within excel etc- :banana::banana::banana::banana: aplications not good for AMD cores)