Nehalem and X58 show up in Taipei

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05-30-2008, 07:33 AM
Metroid

Nehalem and X58 show up in Taipei

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Originally Posted by Richard Swinburne from bit-tech.net

MSI showed us how it is currently testing early versions of Intel’s next generation Nehalem architecture, which is based on the Bloomsfield CPU platform and Tylersberg chipset – the latter will be branded under the X58 nomenclature.

First, the CPU and its new socket: while the roadmaps say the high-end Nehalem to be launched in Q4 will have up to eight cores, the one MSI had in its office was just a quad-core but with eight threads.

The socket is still LGA, but instead of the 775 used on current boards, this one now features 1366 pins and is slightly rectangular – not Pentium Pro rectangular, but simply a stretched out square.

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http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi...omfieldx58.jpg

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Originally Posted by Visionary from VR-Zone

Another interesting hunt over at Computex is definitely the Intel Nehalem and we managed to get our hands on a 2.66GHz Bloomfield running on a X58 Tylersburg board. Its 3DMark Vantage CPU score is pretty remarkable at 16334 which is about 45% faster than a similarly clocked Yorkfield.

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Nehalem News

Metroid.
05-30-2008, 08:11 AM
Rammsteiner

6 DIMM slots like wtf:eek:. MOAR MEMORIES PLZ TYVM! lol
05-30-2008, 08:13 AM
Hornet331

hmm no ihs for tylersburg?

also when somone on xs gets a nehalem sample in ther hands, back with core2 we had already the first hands on experiences. :(
05-30-2008, 08:15 AM
[XC] gomeler

Whew, look at those capacitor banks on the backside of that processor. Have my fingers crossed on this processor launch, please not a Phenom-esque extreme clocking dude.
05-30-2008, 08:21 AM
Polizei

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

6 DIMM slots like wtf:eek:. MOAR MEMORIES PLZ TYVM! lol

Triple channel RAM, ftw we hope.
05-30-2008, 08:32 AM
ghost_recon88

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Originally Posted by Polizei

Triple channel RAM, ftw we hope.

I have heard such rumors.
05-30-2008, 08:33 AM
Metroid

What calls me attention is that ram manufactures or computer shops will have serious problems as if a single module fails or does not work it will have to rma the other 2 modules. By the way ram = rma for me, so many problems with Nvidia chipset's and rma the ram is getting usual for me. I hate when they do not reply rma requests. Triple channel will be far worse for them. lol

Metroid.
05-30-2008, 08:35 AM
ghost_recon88

Anyone know what major advantage X58 will have over X48? Obviously DDR3 vs. DDR2, new socket vs. old socket, but does it have any other major advantages? Like 4 16x 2.0 slots?
05-30-2008, 08:37 AM
Seraphiel

8 cores (16 threads) in 2008 Q4? I don't think so. That would be Nehalem Ex 2009 Q4 or later. 4 cores (8 thread) should be best / widest in 2008 Q4.

Could be wrong, though.
05-30-2008, 08:39 AM
Nuker_

Quad has been along for a long time now, it is time to move on...
05-30-2008, 08:40 AM
azza21

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Originally Posted by ghost_recon88

Anyone know what major advantage X58 will have over X48? Obviously DDR3 vs. DDR2, new socket vs. old socket, but does it have any other major advantages? Like 4 16x 2.0 slots?

Hmm..i think the x58 has an ICH10R controller rather then the ICH9R which is holding back SSD drives from reaching there maximum speeds. Possibly FSB 1800?
Someone else will be able to explain more than me :)
05-30-2008, 08:43 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by ghost_recon88

Anyone know what major advantage X58 will have over X48? Obviously DDR3 vs. DDR2, new socket vs. old socket, but does it have any other major advantages? Like 4 16x 2.0 slots?

you cant compare x48 to x58,

tylersburg (aka x58) has no MC its now in the cpu, but it houses the pci-e controller.

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-33...g-chipset.html

im not sure if that info is still correct, but it would make sense for a 4x16 pci-e board. :cool:
05-30-2008, 08:52 AM
Metroid

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Originally Posted by Nuker_

Quad has been along for a long time now, it is time to move on...

Is the answer to Intel or to developers?:rofl:

Well by the xtreme meanings of the existence is not time to move on as we have many issues and incompatibilities. If developers implement + than 2 cores in games, so that would result on a very successful strategy from Intel. The Intel pushing method is still working. We just hope it will continue as long as it can.

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Originally Posted by ghost_recon88

Anyone know what major advantage X58 will have over X48? Obviously DDR3 vs. DDR2, new socket vs. old socket, but does it have any other major advantages? Like 4 16x 2.0 slots?

Triple Channel x 2 = 6 slots.

Metroid.
05-30-2008, 09:02 AM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by azza21

Hmm..i think the x58 has an ICH10R controller rather then the ICH9R which is holding back SSD drives from reaching there maximum speeds. Possibly FSB 1800?
Someone else will be able to explain more than me :)

there is FSB, finally it'S going to be dead, buried, gone (finally after how many years???)

long live hyper transport and QPI :D

change is the removed memory controller and new southbridge so no more computing performance differences between chipsets just like on the AMD side, only overclocking (if possible ?!) and features are going to differ the chipsets (just like nforce 4, k8t800, nforce 5,3,uli chipsets, amd chipsets result in the same performance when using equal tweaked bioses and graphics cards but have different feature sets)

intel itself destroyed their lead on the chipset market with this platform as users won'T notice any difference between 3rd party and intel chipsets :D (good for us)

EDIT; hornet beat me, shouldn't post replies before refreshing the browser...
05-30-2008, 09:11 AM
DFI pit bull

I would be happy to test this platform for msi, I can do it for free:rolleyes:
Just hope that ddr3 is cheaper when nehalem arrives because I really would want to fill all 6 ram slots.
05-30-2008, 09:19 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by ghost_recon88

Anyone know what major advantage X58 will have over X48? Obviously DDR3 vs. DDR2, new socket vs. old socket, but does it have any other major advantages? Like 4 16x 2.0 slots?

The tripplechannel memory is located on the CPU. X58 only handles PCIe and the access to the ICH10.

The connection is done with a quickpath link. There is no FSB anymore.

But perhaps tripple or quad PCIe x16 instead of 2x PCie x16.

X58 will also be the only chipset as such. Since mobile, value, performance and mainstream will have ondie PCIe.
05-30-2008, 09:24 AM
G.Foyle

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Originally Posted by generics_user

intel itself destroyed their lead on the chipset market with this platform as users won'T notice any difference between 3rd party and intel chipsets :D (good for us)

Question is, will there be any 3rd party chipstes, with Nvidia not getting QPI license?
05-30-2008, 09:37 AM
conzymaher

With Intel and Nvidia going through a rough spot I wonder will there be any SLI support at all?
05-30-2008, 09:38 AM
ChinStrap

the new lga is very big. my god.
05-30-2008, 09:42 AM
ColonelCain

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Originally Posted by xoqolatl

Question is, will there be any 3rd party chipstes, with Nvidia not getting QPI license?

Wait, nvidia still hasn't acquired a QPI liscence yet? No bueno...

Though, I am very excited for this. Triple channel FTW!
05-30-2008, 09:49 AM
virtualrain

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Originally Posted by ghost_recon88

Anyone know what major advantage X58 will have over X48? Obviously DDR3 vs. DDR2, new socket vs. old socket, but does it have any other major advantages? Like 4 16x 2.0 slots?

The X58 is basically a PCIe controller with a variety of lanes depending on the specific model...

Tylersburg-24S – 24 PCIe lanes, 1x QuickPath Link
Tylersburg-24D – 24 PCIe lanes, 2x QuickPath Links
Tylersburg-36S – 36 PCIe lanes, 1x QuickPath Link
Tylersburg-36D – 36 PCIe lanes, 2x QuickPath Links

The Quickpath link is for connection to the processor... dual QPI links for dual-processor systems. 4 PCIe lanes are used to connect to the ICH10 leaving 2x16 in the high-end parts and 1x16/1x4 or 2x8 in the lower-end parts.

Block diagrams are available on Nehalem News... http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/04/nehalem-faq.html
05-30-2008, 09:51 AM
virtualrain

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Originally Posted by conzymaher

With Intel and Nvidia going through a rough spot I wonder will there be any SLI support at all?

It won't be hard for NVIDIA to provide a chipset for Nehalem, but providing SLI on Bloomfield will depend on them getting a QuickPath license. If they do get a QuickPath license, then at least we won't be dealing with the intricacies and quirks of their memory controller when it comes to overclocking as that is now on the CPU die and thankfully, out of NVIDIA's hands.

More info here... http://www.nehalemnews.com/2008/05/e...halem-sli.html
05-30-2008, 09:53 AM
REBEL900

Looks Promising.. :cool:
05-30-2008, 09:59 AM
thebluemeanie1

Any idea on the heatsink mounting hole spacings? Looks about the same as 775 to me which would be great.
05-30-2008, 10:00 AM
virtualrain

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Originally Posted by thebluemeanie1

Any idea on the heatsink mounting hole spacings? Looks about the same as 775 to me which would be great.

Unfortunately, the Bit-Tech writer notes that the hole spacing is different.

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