D-Tek+All Nozzle kit Vs EK Supreme+Option Accelerate Plate Tested (56k Warning!)

http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...Untitled-1.jpg

Hello everyone,

From last week on i received Supreme Option Accelerate Plate from Eddy, Thanks very much for it :up: so after i received i just testing it instant and compare with D-Tek FuZion v1+all nozzle kit too :)

For the method and device on tested it same all first time is i posted here from this link >> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hlight=roundup but i change only one on thermal compound from MX-2 to normal compound and this time i only tested one time of mount because i haven't much time :( but i think it to be satisfied level with results notwithstanding it not 100% sure :)

Point of today it'll on EK Supreme Option Accelerate Plate as it have six type of design, but i met something is different from my 3x Supreme on Stock plate
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_5133.jpg
well on first Supreme is i order it come with white box of package plate in side it's " Stock plate " in the picture but on second and third by order it come with new package design for plate in side it's " #6 style " in the picture, OKay on testing to day i used the first from order and for plate #2 to #6 it'll option for me, hope everyone will understand is i try to told :)
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_5046.jpg

On testing system
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_5044.jpg
CPU on testing is QX6700@3.6GHz, 1.650V bios set, 1.600V windows idle, 1.695V windows full load :eek:

http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_4981.jpg
Ambient i measure air before flow in radiator

http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_4976.jpg
style is i smear of thermal compound on the IHS :D

http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn..._dtek/test.png
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/d-tek4.5.png
20 minute burn of CPU for full load temperature and used idle temperature after burned

http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_5042.jpg
Test results...

bowed checking after mount we can see distinct between Supreme and D-Tek who is more than bowed :) (on mount have a back-plate)

D-Tek
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_4980.jpg
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_4974.jpg

Supreme
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_5045.jpg
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_5039.jpg
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...k/IMG_5040.jpg

Temperature Results

Core Temp Measure(min/max from log file) - degrees Celsius ( ํC)
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...tek/Clip_3.png

CPU IHS Measure - degrees Celsius ( ํC)
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn...tek/Clip_2.png

Average Temperature from Core Temp log file on full load (20min)
http://www.overclockzone.com/zolkorn..._dtek/Clip.png
sorry for hard of looking on this graph because i haven't other ideal on it but need to sharing it :p:

for more picture >>> Here
------------------
btw. if next time i can find some free time on my work i'll testing it again on 4.5mm, 5.5mm, #2, #3 and Stock plate by multi mount for make sure of results :)

ps. sorry for not good English :D

Specials Thanks.... Eddy for Supreme option plate on tested :)

Best regards
ZoLKoRn

So it seems the optional plates all just decrease performance in your case?

Great work, thanks for posting!:up:

It's interesting to see how you also didn't seem to gain much with the nozzles, if anything it was worse than stock.

This also seems to indicate these microchannel blocks are doing really welll with quad cores. That makes sense to me because the flow is spread out better.

Hmm, now I know what is wrong with my EK, it isnt bowed at all and the performance is worse than a 6002. Also, zolkorn how old is that d-tek? That base seems totally flat which is no doubt why performance is no good. I'm wondering if it hasn't been flattened out from use. Very odd results that we are seeing.

Awesome job, this is the kind of review on the supreme I have been looking for

very precise tests :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cupcake

Awesome job, this is the kind of review on the supreme I have been looking for

very precise tests :D

---

Except i think there is something wrong with the test altogether, I mean, that fuzion is flat as can be. Same as the ek I've got which I wont release cause there is a problem.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Except i think there is something wrong with the test altogether, I mean, that fuzion is flat as can be. Same as the ek I've got which I wont release cause there is a problem.

---

It's the other variable, the manufacturing one.

I have two sets of pressure drop tests now of the exact same product, they are never exactly the same. That or the base just isn't as tight as I normally tighten mine. With a lapped IHS and stock fuzion, I get a nice clear bowed looking center, it probably depends on how concaved the IHS is stock too.

I've tested two block exactly the same block and two radiators that were exactly the same radiator, yet pressure drop tests were slightly different.

BTW, I'm running the V2 with a thicker EK o-ring now to see if there is any gain with even more bow. I believe in the end, there is no gain with a lapped IHS. That or the TIM used makes the difference...not sure.

I think the supreme does it's best on quads and even better with really strong pumps..:shrug:

Yeah but 10C? I don't buy it... something borked with that D-tek base, i can see it, its FLAT.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Except i think there is something wrong with the test altogether, I mean, that fuzion is flat as can be. Same as the ek I've got which I wont release cause there is a problem.

---

From what i remember the Supreme is bowed :confused:

Did you lap your IHS zolkorn?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Yeah but 10C? I don't buy it... something borked with that D-tek base, i can see it, its FLAT.

---

I see what you're looking it, it does seem to be apply pressure at the perimeter.

ZoLKoRn looking at your results from this testing compared to the previous one there seems to be an inconsistency of results between fuzion vs supreme..the difference in this test is by far greater than in the previous one:shocked:

am i missing something in the test method here or could it be because it was only 1 mount?

anyway nice to see how the nozzle results compare to martins

thanks for the testing mate...

something seems off .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by aspire.comptech

So it seems the optional plates all just decrease performance in your case?

---

hmm about that i think :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Martinm210

Great work, thanks for posting!:up:

It's interesting to see how you also didn't seem to gain much with the nozzles, if anything it was worse than stock.

This also seems to indicate these microchannel blocks are doing really welll with quad cores. That makes sense to me because the flow is spread out better.

---

Yep, it make astonished to me too :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Hmm, now I know what is wrong with my EK, it isnt bowed at all and the performance is worse than a 6002. Also, zolkorn how old is that d-tek? That base seems totally flat which is no doubt why performance is no good. I'm wondering if it hasn't been flattened out from use. Very odd results that we are seeing.

---

Yes d-tek it flat of base but it not to be necessary is flat will better than bowed all time, and my d-tek 8 month in side it very clean :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Giannis86

ZoLKoRn looking at your results from this testing compared to the previous one there seems to be an inconsistency of results between fuzion vs supreme..the difference in this test is by far greater than in the previous one:shocked:

am i missing something in the test method here or could it be because it was only 1 mount?

anyway nice to see how the nozzle results compare to martins

---

Yah it not inconsistency on the previous one maybe because this time i change thermal compound from MX-2 to normal white compound and from only 1 mount too

Thanks

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by disruptfam

thanks for the testing mate...

something seems off .

---

hmm... i'll testing it again but not all nozzle and all plate, on my ideal i'll testing only 4.5mm, 5.5mm ,Stock plate and 2slot plate and i'll multi mount of setup too :)

---------
Thanks everyone for comment and i'll reform to next time

personally i dont see the point of doing the same test again..your previous round looked very good and informative.

if i were you i would retest the nozzles with a more powerful pump (or maybe 2 ddcs in series). Seeing how restrictive the nozzles are they should benefit at higher flow rates. Only problem is the added heat from a second pump, which should be compensated by the increase in flow (hopefully:D )

Can you shrink the pictures a bit?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ZoLKoRn

Yes d-tek it flat of base but it not to be necessary is flat will better than bowed all time, and my d-tek 8 month in side it very clean :)

---

Yeah, your Fuzion has been flattened... this shows the importance of bowing (or stepping) as my EK block seems totally flat and the performance shows it. As a tester you always have to question your OWN results. I know there is something borked with my EK, just as I know something is borked with your Fuzion. The difference is, I recognize this and don't release results that are out of the 'norm'. People will see your above test and do the whole; "OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!??? teh EK is teh bomb and teh Fuzions is teh suxors!". You should have realized at your roughly 10c difference that perhaps there was a problem?

try with the pump feeding the block first not the rad

Something has to be wrong for the Supreme to beat the FuZion by such a large margin. Why did you change TIM during the testing, MX-2 is a proven product?

Microchannels are the future I tell you ^^ (I'm into watercooling research here at our local university, they study it intensively in cooperation with some manufacturers. They say that they have only scratched the surface on the potential of microchannels but that it already outperforms jets. )

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Hmm, now I know what is wrong with my EK, it isnt bowed at all and the performance is worse than a 6002. Also, zolkorn how old is that d-tek? That base seems totally flat which is no doubt why performance is no good. I'm wondering if it hasn't been flattened out from use. Very odd results that we are seeing.

---

*sigh*

ive been trying to tell you that your EK is borked scott. :shrug:


Also why dont people test these blocks with dual pumps. Guys the accelerators on the EK and D-tek was designed around high pressure pumps. Dual DDC-3.2 OR IWAKI RD-30 @ 18-21V for pinicle performance.

But then again, you guys can all just ignore me until someone does a test to prove i was right again on this area. :ROTF:

I was wondering. When y'all refer to "bowing" are you referring to physically bending the metal around the block?
If so, how are you bending them?

Thanks.

breezyjr

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

*sigh*

ive been trying to tell you that your EK is borked scott. :shrug:

---

With due respect, you didn't have to tell me that it is borked, I knew and know it is, now however, after seeing his imprint on the EK, my EK is most definitely FLAT. Eddy is already upset with me so I doubt he will send me another block... the WHOLE POINT OF MY COMMENTARY HERE is the fact that I knew something was wrong with the block and did NOT publish numbers on it. Now, would that be fair to anyone if I did? I think if ZoLKoRn were a 'mench' (it's a yiddish term, google it) he would pull this and request or attain a new V1 fuzion and retest it. Just to clarify here, I am NOT questioning the numbers that ZoLKoRn recorded, meaning I don't think he lied or fudged it, I am questioning (as should he) the integrity of the base of the Fuzion.

You don't see huge differences in performance between different blocks on an IHS unless one is flat, and the other bowed or stepped, its just a fact.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

Also why dont people test these blocks with dual pumps. Guys the accelerators on the EK and D-tek was designed around high pressure pumps. Dual DDC-3.2 OR IWAKI RD-30 @ 18-21V for pinicle performance.

But then again, you guys can all just ignore me until someone does a test to prove i was right again on this area. :ROTF:

---

So how many people actually own a RD-30 for a watercooling setup? Very little. Test results with these pumps might be interesting, but you're looking for a setup that'd apply to what most watercoolers would go with.

ZoLKoRn, I think your test results are interesting as they differ from what the general expectancy is. Good effort.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Xavior

So how many people actually own a RD-30 for a watercooling setup? Very little. Test results with these pumps might be interesting, but you're looking for a setup that'd apply to what most watercoolers would go with.

ZoLKoRn, I think your test results are interesting as they differ from what the general expectancy is. Good effort.

---

yeah but this was a nozzle comparison :D
zolkorn did another test without the nozzles..personally i liked that one more. The differences seem to be more precise.