NVIDIA's shady trick to boost the GeForce 9600GT

source:http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...Shady_9600_GT/

Another Nvidia scam for sales.But because they make billion nothing will ever be done about it

Nice find.
It´s now resolved the case of 9600GT SLI in one SLI Nvidia board is better (in some games) then one HD 3870X2 in the same Nvidia board:

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It is certainly nice for NVIDIA to see their GeForce 9600 GT reviewed on NVIDIA chipsets with LinkBoost enabled where their card leaves the competition behind in the dust (even more). Also it could send a message to customers that the card performs considerably better when used on an NVIDIA chipset? Actually this is not the case, the PCI-Express frequency can be adjusted on most motherboards, you will see these gains independent of Intel/AMD CPU architecture or Intel/NVIDIA/AMD/VIA chipset.

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Interesting, has huge implications for the review much discussed in this thread:
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So what are they doing then, basically automatically overclocking thier cards when using Nforce chipsets. Would be somewhat amusing if this made Nvidia cards and chipsets incompattible (for cards that have little to no overclocking headroom in them... there are always some...)

So what are the actual default clocks for 9600GT?

or it could just be that rivatuner reads the card wrong ?

nvidia drivers and gpu-z always read the card the same, but on every card I have at least one of the clocks reads different on riva tuner hardware monitor....

if they are all eminating from the same source then who is wrong?

my shader cores have been off as much as 30mhz on all the g80s'g92's
I havnt seen such a huge discrepancy in core clocks though.

from what it looks like there saying a stock 650 9600gt should read about 708 in riva tuner then ?

slightly misleading of nVidia, but not so much of a problem once people are aware of it...

but it implies that every 9600 GT can handle a 25% overclock on stock volts.
you put a 650mhz 9600 GT in a linkboost enabled board and it clocks it to 125/100 * 650mhz = 812.5mhz... is that gonna work????
or are a lot of nforce 590i boards gonna be mysteriously buggy while running 9600 GTs in SLI :rofl:

I believe linkboost is out since the 680i chipset was launched

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Originally Posted by DMH

I believe linkboost is out since the 680i chipset was launched

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exactly, i can overclock my 9600GT on 780MHz, with this theory is running my GPU highly above 850MHz and it is not possible!

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Originally Posted by Syn.

So what are the actual default clocks for 9600GT?

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according to techpowerup , it depends on PCI-E frequency


http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9220/pciaa3.jpg




regards

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Originally Posted by mascaras

it depends on PCI-E frequency


regards

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when is Linkboost disabled too?

so to sum up, every 9600gt review on nv chipset with linkboost enabled should be trashed?
is g94 the only affected chip up to now?

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Originally Posted by DMH

I believe linkboost is out since the 680i chipset was launched

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This feature was pioneered with the NVIDIA 590i chipset and is present in the NVIDIA 680i chipset too

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Originally Posted by OBR

when is Linkboost disabled too?

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i realy dont know OBR , someone try it !

i will receive a BFG 9600Gt OC for tests next monday , but i have a Asus P5E , i will test with different PCI-E frequencies and see in 3dmark if the score " goes up" , then i report !


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This examples a whole lot.

Interesting...I thought its awesome performance could be due to an tweaked arch., or maybe at the cost of IQ, but never because of this.

Very well find dude...Bad trick from nV :shakes:

Link boost has been around for quite some time.... ATi has a form of it in their RD600 as well. All it does is overclock the PCI-E bus automatically when it senses the card brand of it's choice. All this is is merely NVidia finally making a board that can take advantage of the pci-e bus clocking feature that's been around for almost 2 years now.

So, if this is true and not shens, does that mean the reviews where they overclock the cards and still hit 800mhz+ actually closer to 1000mhz? After all, just 850 * 25% would be 1062 mhz.

Calling this shady, I don't know about that one. It boosts the cards performance for the end user without worry of voiding warranty or requiring any work at all. That's not shady, that's called increasing performance. Nothing wrong with that at all.

is linkboost related only to SLIed cards or also to sinle card?

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Originally Posted by DilTech

Link boost has been around for quite some time.... ATi has a form of it in their RD600 as well. All it does is overclock the PCI-E bus automatically when it senses the card brand of it's choice. All this is is merely NVidia finally making a board that can take advantage of the pci-e bus clocking feature that's been around for almost 2 years now.

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the performance increase has nothing to do with linkboost itself, with wider bandwidth or higher pci frequency, it's just a gpu overclock

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Originally Posted by DilTech

So, if this is true and not shens, does that mean the reviews where they overclock the cards and still hit 800mhz+ actually closer to 1000mhz? After all, just 850 * 25% would be 1062 mhz.

Calling this shady, I don't know about that one. It boosts the cards performance for the end user without worry of voiding warranty or requiring any work at all. That's not shady, that's called increasing performance. Nothing wrong with that at all.

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actually, there's no problem in bringing to the average Joe an auto-overclocking and dummyproof performance increase
what makes it a cheat and a **** is:
- it's not documented/advertised by nvidia
- the driver reports the non-overclocked frequency
so basically looks like nvidia wants to hide this and make people think their cards at stock frequencies are faster then they actually are.

I hope this is implemented on 9800GX2 and GTX :D

I think it's pretty sweet. :party:

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Originally Posted by Tuvok-LuR-

actually, there's no problem in bringing to the average Joe an auto-overclocking and dummyproof performance increase
what makes it a cheat and a **** is:
- it's not documented/advertised by nvidia
- the driver reports the non-overclocked frequency
so basically looks like nvidia wants to hide this and make people think their cards at stock frequencies are faster then they actually are.

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:yepp:

Allot of folks by oc'd cards and pay extra for them, this is basically no different other than not paying extra for an oc edition card.

It's free performance so I don't personally see anything wrong or shady about it.

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Originally Posted by mascaras

it depends on PCI-E frequency


http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9220/pciaa3.jpg




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default clock is 650mhz
http://www.techarp.com/article/Deskt...idia_4_big.png

but in that article they must have been using an overclock model 9600 GT

actual clock = 25mhz (dependant on PCI-e frequency) * 29 = 725mhz (reported by GPU-z and rivatuner overclocking)
there's also 27mhz * 29 = 783mhz from rivatuner monitoring, which the author says is incorrect

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Originally Posted by techpowerup

Please also note that RivaTuner's monitoring clock reading is wrong. It uses 27 MHz for its calculation which is incorrect. When the PCI-E bus is 100 MHz, the core clock is indeed 650 MHz on the reference design. A RivaTuner update is necessary to reflect GPU clock changes cause by PCI-E clock properly though.

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Originally Posted by hollo

slightly misleading of nVidia, but not so much of a problem once people are aware of it...

but it implies that every 9600 GT can handle a 25% overclock on stock volts.
you put a 650mhz 9600 GT in a linkboost enabled board and it clocks it to 125/100 * 650mhz = 812.5mhz... is that gonna work????
or are a lot of nforce 590i boards gonna be mysteriously buggy while running 9600 GTs in SLI :rofl:

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I can confirm this,
I have a p35 chipset and my card can play ingame at 820Mhz stable on the stock cooler - cheap zotac card