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02-29-2008, 07:47 AM
Monkeywoman

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GeForce 9800 GX2, 9800 GTX & 3870 X2 Compared

VR-Zone has gotten some preliminary 3DMark06 scores on the upcoming GeForce 9800 GX2 and 9800 GTX cards. The setup : Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66GHz processor on a P965 board with Forceware 173.67 drivers and Catalyst driver version 8.451. GeForce 9800 GX2 scored 14225, 9800 GTX scored 13167 while Radeon HD 3870 X2 scored 14301. Nvidia is still tuning up the drivers and the clock speeds aren't finalized yet so we should be seeing some improvements when launched. Currently, 9800 GX2 is slated for March 18th launch while 9800 GTX is slated for end March.

Keep in mind that they are using a beta cc driver, and the 9800GX2 hasn't got final clocks.if the gx2 beats the 70x2 this round ATI can increase the clocks for the next revision of the 70x2 to catchup or take back the crown.
02-29-2008, 07:51 AM
grimREEFER

3870x2?!
the same 3870x2 that is bested by 9600gt sli in games lol?
02-29-2008, 07:58 AM
STaRGaZeR

Overclock the CPU a bit and then compare. You'll see a bit different results ;)
02-29-2008, 08:05 AM
v_rr

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

3870x2?!
the same 3870x2 that is bested by 9600gt sli in games lol?

Depends on the games tested, depends on witch 9600GT or HD 3870X2 you are talking (OC versions) and depends mostly on drivers.

But overall those are tow diferent things. One is two cards in crossfire in a crossfire mobo. Other is a single card like 9800gx2 ou hd 3870x2.
They use crossfire/SLI internaly but it´s diferent and not comparable.

The 9800GX2 by this time should be well ahead of HD 3870X2 and that is not happening. Is a bit of problem because with all those delays it will go against one HD 3870X2 with Cat 8.3 crossfire-X driver.
Let´s wait and see but it´s a bad result.
02-29-2008, 08:10 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

3870x2?!
the same 3870x2 that is bested by 9600gt sli in games lol?

Makes you wonder doesn't it? But I already addressed that in the other thread. And the alleged "insider" who stated that the 9600 is nothing more then a GTS 512 does make you wonder.

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Originally Posted by v_rr

Depends on the games tested, depends on witch 9600GT or HD 3870X2 you are talking (OC versions) and depends mostly on drivers.

But overall those are tow diferent things. One is two cards in crossfire in a crossfire mobo. Other is a single card like 9800gx2 ou hd 3870x2.
They use crossfire/SLI internaly but it´s diferent and not comparable.

The 9800GX2 by this time should be well ahead of HD 3870X2 and that is not happening. Is a bit of problem because with all those delays it will go against one HD 3870X2 with Cat 8.3 crossfire-X driver.
Let´s wait and see but it´s a bad result.

Makes me wonder if 3d06 was part of the TWIMTBP would the score be higher? We shall soon see what the results are in games based on it.
02-29-2008, 08:12 AM
trans am

the question is what card is faster after your max out each cards overclock?
02-29-2008, 08:32 AM
NotFred

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

3870x2?!
the same 3870x2 that is bested by 9600gt sli in games lol?

Yes, the same 3870x2 that is bested by two 9600GTs in Sli in Crysis and Bioshock. However as that review tested every other configuration with many more games, I think by implication the 3870x2 won in all others :-P

Edit:

Well, I suppose these scores explain the huge number of delays...
02-29-2008, 08:52 AM
shiznit93

why do people even post 3dmark scores anymore, they mean nothing.
02-29-2008, 09:05 AM
nemsis

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Originally Posted by shiznit93

why do people even post 3dmark scores anymore, they mean nothing.

Agree 100%
02-29-2008, 09:10 AM
NotFred

That really deends upon what you care about. Some people really like getting a high 3dmark score. I dont play crysis, just dont like the game, so i disregard the bits of reviews where they benchmark that.

Depends how you want to use your hardware and what you want it to be good at.
02-29-2008, 09:22 AM
bill_d

if they delay much more it will be up against the 4870x2 in may or june
02-29-2008, 09:52 AM
grimREEFER

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Originally Posted by NotFred

That really deends upon what you care about. Some people really like getting a high 3dmark score. I dont play crysis, just dont like the game, so i disregard the bits of reviews where they benchmark that.

Depends how you want to use your hardware and what you want it to be good at.

crysis really represents the future of games imo. how ur pc handles that will tell you how ur pc will handle future games, so im really interested in crysis benches with these cards.
3dmark06 means nothing. the 3870x2 scores higher than a 9800gx2 in 3dmark06, but it is on par with the 9600gt sli in games (which makes sense because a single 3870 is basically equal to a single 9600gt). now, if the 9800gx2 is basically 8800gts sli, and the 8800gts is much faster than the 9600gt, than logically it should follow that the 9800gx2 is much faster than the 3870x2 in games.
02-29-2008, 09:57 AM
zerazax

Crysis might be the only game that no card can max out right now, but calling it the future of the game when it probably has a lot of optimization issues and what not so I'd hardly call it the future of games

As for the 9600GT SLI/3870X2 deal, they only benched two games and made a conclusion, which is as ridiculous as it gets esp. cause everyone knows that Crysis is not friendly towards CF

Either way though, these 3dM06 results seem HEAVILY CPU limited as I've seen single 3870x2's with good CPU's do near 20k...
02-29-2008, 10:12 AM
Scubar

3DMark06 = Pointless as a comparsion of card performance.

That being said i doubt there will be that much difference between the 3870X2 and the 9800GX2
02-29-2008, 10:12 AM
Daveb2012

that looks like **** to me, all this anticipation and I can go buy a card in 20 minutes that will out perform both thats on the shelfs now, forget this series, Nvidia=FAIL!
02-29-2008, 12:27 PM
v_rr

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

crysis really represents the future of games imo. how ur pc handles that will tell you how ur pc will handle future games, so im really interested in crysis benches with these cards.
3dmark06 means nothing. the 3870x2 scores higher than a 9800gx2 in 3dmark06, but it is on par with the 9600gt sli in games (which makes sense because a single 3870 is basically equal to a single 9600gt). now, if the 9800gx2 is basically 8800gts sli, and the 8800gts is much faster than the 9600gt, than logically it should follow that the 9800gx2 is much faster than the 3870x2 in games.

you have to count that the 9800gx2 have a lower clocked 8800GTS and that drivers and arquitecture scalling is fundamental ;)
02-29-2008, 12:38 PM
hecktic

yes the cpu needs some more overclocking first
02-29-2008, 01:12 PM
Rattle

this means nothing

my 2900pro for $170 outscored all my g80's and g92's in 3dmarks.....
and the card sucked at gaming
02-29-2008, 01:13 PM
mascaras

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More 9800 GX2 Pictures Released

German site Allround-PC.com has acquired a few new pictures of NVIDIA’s upcoming 9800 GX2 graphics card, which is set to become the company’s flagship consumer card when it’s released next month. The card will have two 65nm GeForce 8800 GPUs working in SLI on a single card, with a 600MHz core, 1GHz GDDR3 memory and a 1.5GHz shader clock. The pictures are below.

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02...0gx2-1_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02...0gx2-2_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02...0gx2-3_thm.jpg http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-02...0gx2-4_thm.jpg

Allround-PC.com

http://www.techpowerup.com/53994/Mor..._Released.html

regards
02-29-2008, 01:15 PM
saaya

how come nvidia can make one g92 gpu score 13k but 2 g92 gpus score 14k?
this should kill all the discussion about the 9800gx2 beeing a well designed card and a good concept.

its crap!
02-29-2008, 01:19 PM
NeedMoMegaHurtZ

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Originally Posted by Rattle

this means nothing

my 2900pro for $170 outscored all my g80's and g92's in 3dmarks.....
and the card sucked at gaming

Totally agree here
02-29-2008, 01:20 PM
Ethelred

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Originally Posted by saaya

how come nvidia can make one g92 gpu score 13k but 2 g92 gpus score 14k?
this should kill all the discussion about the 9800gx2 beeing a well designed card and a good concept.

its crap!

For sure it's crap...with the drivers maturing a little and whatnot I'm sure the score will go up. But I still contend that nVidia is getting lazy with design. The GX2 is just shoddy.
02-29-2008, 01:35 PM
003

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Originally Posted by nemsis

Agree 100%

Actually, while 3dmark is not an end all comparison, it carries much more actual weight than all the people who have an anti-3dmark agenda would have you believe.

This does need more cpu overclocking though, but it is very impressive to say the least because it's not even using the most up to date catalyst 3d driver which is 8.47, slated for release in catalyst 8.3.

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Originally Posted by Rattle

this means nothing

my 2900pro for $170 outscored all my g80's and g92's in 3dmarks.....
and the card sucked at gaming

Unless you had the cards under extreme cold, that is a load of BS.
02-29-2008, 01:52 PM
Rattle

your telling me on air you cant beat a gtx with a 2900pro ? both overclocked on air ? in 05 and 06?

i dont think you know wtf your talking about....

maxed gt 512 on air I got 23500 and i beat that with a 2900pro too, only card on air that might beat it is a gts 512 at 800 or higher core....

the 8800 ultra i had beat the pro buy a couple hundred points at its max 705 core in 06, and the 2900pro washed the floor with the 8800 ultra in 05.
02-29-2008, 02:09 PM
DMH

I believe a QX9650 clocked at 3.6Ghz would tell us which one is the best card because they are probably limited at that clock and please test it on a X38 or P35

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