Review of the 9600GT

CPU Intel Core 2 Duo QX6800 　　266 x 11 = 2930MHz（DDR2 800 4-4-4-12）
GA-P35-DQ6
DDR2-800 1GB x 2
7200.10 SATA 320G
Samsung 305T Monitor
GeForce 9600GT 512M(650/1950/SP:1625)

GeForce 8800GS 384M(575/1700/SP:1438)

GeForce 8600GTS 256M(675/2000/SP:1450)

Radeon HD 3850 256M(669/1660)
Source


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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...600GT_DIRT.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...9600GT_COJ.jpg
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Not impressive considering it has the most ram. Also, I would have loved to see 3850 512 tested instead of the 256 version.

No DX_10.1, no HDMI and almost same performance as HD 3850 256Mb.
Price is 169$ so also no advantage in price and only launch till in 1 month.

Core size is also bigger then HD 3800 that with faster gddr3 memory bring cost of prodution higher.

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Originally Posted by v_rr

No DX_10.1, no HDMI and almost same performance as HD 3850 256Mb.
Price is 169$ so also no advantage in price and only launch till in 1 month.

Core size is also bigger then HD 3800 that with faster gddr3 memory bring cost of prodution higher.

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I wonder if this is similar of what to expect out of other 9 series

http://www.force.game.tw/

Wow, those tests aren't to good, the 8800GS is pretty close to the 9600GT and with the 3850.....
There making it hard for me to decide which card I want to buy :mad:
I'll probably end up with an 8800gt

Uhh I find this very impressive. This card is meant to replace the 8600GTS and considering how it's thoroughly stomping it, kudos to Nvidia for actually launching a mid-range product. If the 9600GT is keeping up with the 8800GT then I'm sure the 9800GT will have an additional 30-40% performance increase and be a rather fast card.

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Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

Uhh I find this very impressive. This card is meant to replace the 8600GTS and considering how it's thoroughly stomping it, kudos to Nvidia for actually launching a mid-range product. If the 9600GT is keeping up with the 8800GT then I'm sure the 9800GT will have an additional 30-40% performance increase and be a rather fast card.

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I don't think so , 64sp wont stand a chance against 112sp , it shows it muscles against the 8600GTS due to higher busswidth however i would like to see a clock per clock comparison between the 8800GS and 9600GT

ya i think this is very impressive. almost everyone said it would get completely creamed by the 3850 and it seems to beat it around the board. not to mention that it wipes out the 8600gts. and you get 512mb ram for $169 or cheaper. it's a good card for the price.

Well the 8800GS and 9600GT are equivalent cards, there's another review out here that shows that. 9600GT has higher clocks, lower SP. I was a bit mistaken in saying it's keeping up the the 8800GT but it sure is keeping up with the HD3850 and I imagine if you throw a 512MB HD3850 in there it'll keep up just as well as both cards can't be expected to perform well above 16x12/16x10 resolutions which is where the 512MB of ram come into play. Needs more benching, that's for sure, but I think it's a mid-range winner.

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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

ya i think this is very impressive. almost everyone said it would get completely creamed by the 3850 and it seems to beat it around the board. not to mention that it wipes out the 8600gts. and you get 512mb ram for $169 or cheaper. it's a good card for the price.

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Dont forget that the HD 3850 used was 256Mb, and they should use HD 3850 512Mb instead.
There are large diferences between HD 3850 256Mb and HD 3850 512Mb as you can see in this review:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1

you can get PowerColor HD3850 PCS 512MB GDDR3 for 179$, and you can get it now (not 1 month like 9600GT) with suport for DX_10.1/SM4.1, HDMI/HDMI-Sound and a fancy cooler.

Also HD 3850 can get lower prices by february time. The core is smaller then 9600GT and uses GDDR3 more slower/cheaper, also by that time AIB partners will have their custom PCB´s more cheaper and don´t use ATI reference PCB.

Saphire and other partners allready started to show their custom PCB in CES with expected cheaper prices.
9600GT will have a very hard time to get this segment of market ;)

In case of Saphire is a blue PCB:
http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stori...3870_ss_02.jpg

Palit:
http://forums.legitreviews.com/downl...d6dc4a794df46a
Gigabyte:
http://forums.legitreviews.com/downl...d6dc4a794df46a

I don't care if that card is competitive to ATI offerings or not it is good enough that the MSR for that card is the same retail price for the 8600GTS 512MB and it is the same MSRP as the 8600GT when it came out so it is logical that this card will be pushed down a little bit in price to fell below 150$ ,,, but that is only me :D

Question : when do you know a benchmark is fully BS ?

Answer : when even biased games like COJ run faster on a 8800gs then on 3850.

:rofl:

so with 9600GT, 8600 GTS is finally R.I.P? We all know it's on life support after transpiring of 3850, but with 9600GT it finally got rock in head...

Wow, this thing destroys the 8600gts :D

Can't wait to see it in its mobile form. :D

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Originally Posted by v_rr

Dont forget that the HD 3850 used was 256Mb, and they should use HD 3850 512Mb instead.
There are large diferences between HD 3850 256Mb and HD 3850 512Mb as you can see in this review:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/472/1

you can get PowerColor HD3850 PCS 512MB GDDR3 for 179$, and you can get it now (not 1 month like 9600GT) with suport for DX_10.1/SM4.1, HDMI/HDMI-Sound and a fancy cooler.

Also HD 3850 can get lower prices by february time. The core is smaller then 9600GT and uses GDDR3 more slower/cheaper, also by that time AIB partners will have their custom PCB´s more cheaper and don´t use ATI reference PCB.

Saphire and other partners allready started to show their custom PCB in CES with expected cheaper prices.
9600GT will have a very hard time to get this segment of market ;)

In case of Saphire is a blue PCB:
http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stori...3870_ss_02.jpg

Palit:
http://forums.legitreviews.com/downl...d6dc4a794df46a
Gigabyte:
http://forums.legitreviews.com/downl...d6dc4a794df46a

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yes but look at the lower resolutions. the 256mb on the 3850 has no negative effect on it and it still gets beat out by the 9600gt. and also look at the current price of 8600gt's it will not be long until the 9600gt falls into the $120-100 range. the thing that will set one better than the other is overclocking. which can go farther? also the 9600gt may use less power even though it is 65nm it has a greatly reduced amount of shadders.

if the 9600gt can oc well it will beat the 3850 as features like HDMI sound, DX10.1 and SM4.1 are all but useless at the moment.

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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

yes but look at the lower resolutions. the 256mb on the 3850 has no negative effect on it and it still gets beat out by the 9600gt. and also look at the current price of 8600gt's it will not be long until the 9600gt falls into the $120-100 range. the thing that will set one better than the other is overclocking. which can go farther? also the 9600gt may use less power even though it is 65nm it has a greatly reduced amount of shadders.

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Beat for few fps. New releases of drivers can perfectly put things equal.
As far as the price, the HD 3850 have advantages that permit lower price more than Nvidia can.
The core size is smaller on HD 3850, cheaper gddr3, as already custom made pcb´s by partners.

You will see HD 3850 in the 120$ price sooner then 9600GT. Or Nvidia lowers their margins and go to price war with HD 3850, witch is very good for costumers, but will hurt Nvidia finances because this segment of price is far far away the most important for ATI and Nvidia.

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Originally Posted by v_rr

Beat for few fps. New releases of drivers can perfectly put things equal.
As far as the price, the HD 3850 have advantages that permit lower price more than Nvidia can.
The core size is smaller on HD 3850, cheaper gddr3, as already custom made pcb´s by partners.

You will see HD 3850 in the 120$ price sooner then 9600GT. Or Nvidia lowers their margins and go to price war with HD 3850, witch is very good for costumers, but will hurt Nvidia finances because this segment of price is far far away the most important for ATI and Nvidia.

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AMD has pretty much maxed out the drivers for HD 3850. were as the 9600gt is not even out yet. so they will gain much more in new drivers than AMD. also nvidia has been making chips on 65nm longer than AMD on 55nm and you don't know how big the G-94 core is. i am betting it will be smaller than the RV670 as it has only 64 shadders. the HD 3850 is not made to be a $120 card it is made to be a $180 card were as the 9600gt is just the latest in a family of $120 cards.

however it will still come down to overclocking.

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Originally Posted by v_rr

As far as the price, the HD 3850 have advantages that permit lower price more than Nvidia can.
The core size is smaller on HD 3850, cheaper gddr3, as already custom made pcb´s by partners.

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You keep bringing up cost to the manufacturer. Why? Who the hell cares what it costs AMD or Nvidia to make the product unless you are an employee or shareholder? What matters is what price they charge to the consumer. If AMD decides to pass their costs on to us let us know, until then if the current prices hold the 9600 looks like a better deal than the 3850.

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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

AMD has pretty much maxed out the drivers for HD 3850. were as the 9600gt is not even out yet. so they will gain much more in new drivers than AMD. also nvidia has been making chips on 65nm longer than AMD on 55nm and you don't know how big the G-94 core is. i am betting it will be smaller than the RV670 as it has only 64 shadders.

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The review have a comparison of core sizes and RV670 as a significant lower size core.
Looks like you don´t open the link of the review :cool:

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Originally Posted by '[XC

hipno650]the HD 3850 is not made to be a $120 card it is made to be a $180 card were as the 9600gt is just the latest in a family of $120 cards.

however it will still come down to overclocking.

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HD 3850 retails now for 150$ in 256mb and 169$ in 512mb and 179$ in 512mb + OC versions.

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Originally Posted by Periander6

You keep bringing up cost to the manufacturer. Why? Who the hell cares what it costs AMD or Nvidia to make the product unless you are an employee or shareholder? What matters is what price they charge to the consumer. If AMD decides to pass their costs on to us let us know, until then if the current prices hold the 9600 looks like a better deal than the 3850.

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It´s important because it will reflect the final price. 9600 better deal? Well first it will only retail on 14 February while HD 3850 retails since November 2007, and second until 14 February HD 3850 can lower prices with cheaper PCB´s and manufactur cuts, witch brings you HD 3850 512Mb OC to 160$ or less.

Also that test used on 9600GT the latest forcware 171 beta. Lets also wait for newer and better catalystic and other reviews that use HD 3850 512mb and 512mb + OC variants.

Considering that this is the 9600 series the results are great. It keeps up with the 8800GS. I'm sure with new drivers it will leave teh other cards in it's dust (just like the first 8800GTS 512 review showed). The new 9800 series should be pretty damn quick. Still though it's good that ATI have an attractive card at the low-mid range also. Great for users out there.

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Originally Posted by v_rr

The review have a comparison of core sizes and RV670 as a significant lower size core.
Looks like you don´t open the link of the review :cool:



HD 3850 retails now for 150$ in 256mb and 169$ in 512mb and 179$ in 512mb + OC versions.


It´s important because it will reflect the final price. 9600 better deal? Well first it will only retail on 14 February while HD 3850 retails since November 2007, and second until 14 February HD 3850 can lower prices with cheaper PCB´s and manufactur cuts, witch brings you HD 3850 512Mb OC to 160$ or less.

Also that test used on 9600GT the latest forcware 171 beta. Lets also wait for newer and better catalystic and other reviews that use HD 3850 512mb and 512mb + OC variants.

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ahh while i may be wrong the die size does not mean power consumption. in which case i could care less how big the core is if it has less power consumption.

were can you get HD 3850 512mb versions for $169? i have to see any under $190 but most are around $200 and for that price i would rather pay the extra $40 for a 8800gt 512mb. granted the 9600gt may start at the same price as a new PCB version of the 3850 (IF they drop the prices) but the X600gt series has always been a $100-120 price range card. that is how nvidia have it in there marketing plan so they will end up cheaper. and by the time new drivers come out it will be even faster. so it will be cheaper and faster. what more could you need?

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Originally Posted by takamishanoku

Considering that this is the 9600 series the results are great. It keeps up with the 8800GS. I'm sure with new drivers it will leave teh other cards in it's dust

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The 9600 has the core clocked pretty high compared to other nv cards, so
I'm not so sure that it will leave the other cards in the dust if you factor in
overclocking. Also, it's just 64sp. Half of the G92-GTS...

This is a catch up card from Nv. No more no less...


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