[RahulSood]Intel 45nm unstable on 'certain chipsets'

http://www.rahulsood.com/2007/11/int...-happened.html

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We haven't launched Intel's 45 Nanometer processor as planned. We, like many, were hoping that it would work flawlessly on certain chipsets - and well, unfortunately it doesn't - not yet anyways. Even though we were getting close to qualifying it - last week we received some really bad news. The bottom line is we're working on a solution for Nvidia SLI, but at the moment there isn't one.

Interestingly enough there are those out there configuring this processor in configurations which we *know* are unstable. I think their customers will be in for major disappointment based on current issues. ..although there are certain configurations which do work, the question is whether they deliver a decent value to the customer. That said, it's not an issue of Intel's chip reliability, it's an issue of platform stability on certain non-Intel chipsets.

I don't want to get into the details, it's not a pretty situation. There is much confusion surrounding this launch -- it's somewhat unbelievable.

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In my experience, this guy is slightly AMD/ATI biased, so a big pinch of salt here guys, and might be nothing more than a BIOS update required...but...

Rahul Sood, founder of VoodooPC, and now CTO of HP's Gaming division, has explained that the reason HP have delayed releasing their PC's with Intel's 45nm QX9650 CPU because 'certain non-Intel chipsets' are 'unstable'.

Obviously he means nVidia, but 6-series or 7-series?

If I'm not mistaken there have been people on those boards that have had "ES" 45nm chips for a while and used them on Nvidia boards.

I'll have to research...

Who is Rahul Sood ?

Known "compatibility" issues are nFORCE related, and will be solved with a few BIOS updates.
Other than that...gee, their running fine on P35 + X38.

Intel CPU not stable on a Nvidia chipset. LOL!! Like this is something new.

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Originally Posted by r1ch

http://www.rahulsood.com/2007/11/int...-happened.html



In my experience, this guy is slightly AMD/ATI biased, so a big pinch of salt here guys, and might be nothing more than a BIOS update required...but...

Rahul Sood, founder of VoodooPC, and now CTO of HP's Gaming division, has explained that the reason HP have delayed releasing their PC's with Intel's 45nm QX9650 CPU because 'certain non-Intel chipsets' are 'unstable'.

Obviously he means nVidia, but 6-series or 7-series?

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I guess it is Intel's turn to play hardball. I'm just speculating, but I always thought Intel could kill Nvidia's chipset anytime it chooses to. I don't think Nvidia accounts for much Intel CPU sales; besides, Intel stands to profit ultimately if it eliminates a rival chipset.

Obviously, I don't know how Intel shares its CPU architectural information with third-party companies like Nvidia, or how soon it does so. In my opinion, this could be crucial to companies like Nvidia who have to guarantee compatibility with future chips from Intel. In any case, the fastest way to get SLI on mainstream Intel platform besides buying out Nvidia, will be to cripple and kill Nvidia's chipset department.

He could have just said:

"We haven't launched Intel's 45 Nanometer processor as planned. We, not like others, really suck at Bios updates"

:p:

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Originally Posted by r1ch

In my experience, this guy is slightly AMD/ATI biased, so a big pinch of salt here guys, and might be nothing more than a BIOS update required...but...

Rahul Sood, founder of VoodooPC, and now CTO of HP's Gaming division, has explained that the reason HP have delayed releasing their PC's with Intel's 45nm QX9650 CPU because 'certain non-Intel chipsets' are 'unstable'.

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Where did you see AMD biased? He says just there is no problem with intel 45nm and intel chipset but with some others... What a discover... Sometimes some doesn't understand why some have buy intel cpu when amd had the performance crow (and no stable chipset) :shrug:

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Originally Posted by nemrod

Where did you see AMD biased? He says just there is no problem with intel 45nm and intel chipset but with some others... What a discover... Sometimes some doesn't understand why some have buy intel cpu when amd had the performance crow (and no stable chipset) :shrug:

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Nothing much in the article itself, apart from the questionable reason to publish this for the world instead of explaining the reasons when they finally did launch.

For proof of AMD bias, read some of his other articles. It's clear as day.

As I said before, hopefully just a BIOS update required. Anyone else know anything about the 'instability' he's talking about?

The instability is a true fact for some non Intel chipsets. Some i know testing that new Nvidia chipset has had issues with it and has gone back to 65nm testing on it

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Originally Posted by r1ch

Nothing much in the article itself, apart from the questionable reason to publish this for the world instead of explaining the reasons when they finally did launch.

For proof of AMD bias, read some of his other articles. It's clear as day.

As I said before, hopefully just a BIOS update required. Anyone else know anything about the 'instability' he's talking about?

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Rahul is overall a good guy, but a self admitted fan of AMD and he makes sure that is understood when he writes certain editorials.

He is biased toward AMD, and he is disappointed with AMD's performance and Intel's rise in dominance, and has stated such a few times.

Read the May 13th blog entry: "What happened to the lean mean AMD of yore?"

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This is an extended version of the article that I wrote for print. Admittedly it’s one of the hardest articles I’ve written in awhile as I wanted to ensure that what I say comes across exactly as intended. It’s no secret that I have been a fan of AMD for years and years – and I wrote this article with nothing but good intentions.

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Frankly, that article was more of what we need -- to stand up and demand better of AMD as the competitive gap is widening and hope for catching up is slowly fading. A non-competitive AMD is not good for the industry.

Nonetheless, it does not surprise me that someone of the higher echelon of the AMD camp tries to downplay or put some spots on the 45 nm launch. Obviously there are instability problems with a 3rd party chipset, not so much a problem with the CPU but a problem with the CPU+chipset combo (we can only assume nVidia and SLI related configuration as he is a boutique builder).

Frankly, I see this as poor form and lack of professionalism on Rahul's part where it is obviously a chipset problem but he would rather peg it to Intel.

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Originally Posted by r1ch

Rahul Sood, founder of VoodooPC, and now CTO of HP's Gaming division

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Who is Rahul Sood ?

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Your information was on the first post :p:

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Originally Posted by Pete

The instability is a true fact for some non Intel chipsets. Some i know testing that new Nvidia chipset has had issues with it and has gone back to 65nm testing on it

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Any more info Pete? What are these 'issues' you talk of?

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Rahul is overall a good guy, but a self admitted fan of AMD and he makes sure that is understood when he writes certain editorials.

He is biased toward AMD, and he is disappointed with AMD's performance and Intel's rise in dominance, and has stated such a few times.

Read the May 13th blog entry: "What happened to the lean mean AMD of yore?"


Frankly, that article was more of what we need -- to stand up and demand better of AMD as the competitive gap is widening and hope for catching up is slowly fading. A non-competitive AMD is not good for the industry.

Nonetheless, it does not surprise me that someone of the higher echelon of the AMD camp tries to downplay or put some spots on the 45 nm launch. Obviously there are instability problems with a 3rd party chipset, not so much a problem with the CPU but a problem with the CPU+chipset combo (we can only assume nVidia and SLI related configuration as he is a boutique builder).

Frankly, I see this as poor form and lack of professionalism on Rahul's part where it is obviously a chipset problem but he would rather peg it to Intel.

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Completely agreed. He is an overall good guy, but no doubt this is a cheap shot.

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Originally Posted by Piotrsama

Your information was on the first post :p:

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Lol! I think this is the definition of "Pwned" :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Piotrsama

Your information was on the first post :p:

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My bad.
It's been a rough day for me, I shouldn't post today :(

Dang, I should've recalled that name, sounded familiar ( AFAIR he was blogging back in the old days of the P4s & A64s )

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

My bad.
It's been a rough day for me, I shouldn't post today :(

Dang, I should've recalled that name, sounded familiar ( AFAIR he was blogging back in the old days of the P4s & A64s )

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no worries... Rahul is the former owner and president of VoodooPC, a small but successful boutique PC build-to-order maker. They were acquired by HP last year and, thus, the means by which he acquired his current title.

He has been in the industry for quite sometime and is a well known character in the enthusiast underground so to speak.

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Originally Posted by nr2134

Intel CPU not stable on a Nvidia chipset. LOL!! Like this is something new.

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:ROTF: QFT! :shakes:

rahul sood again eh..

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And for the record, if you were to benchmark Phenom at 3GHz you would see that it kicks the living crap out of any current AMD or Intel processor—it is a stone cold killer (at 3GHz, now imagine how it would perform if they could squeek some more juice out of it?).

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http://www.rahulsood.com/2007/08/ben...edy-whack.html
kk ;)

LOL @ 'stone cold killer' - methinks Rahul has been looking at too many AMD powerpoint '40% faster' slides. ;)

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Originally Posted by Pete

Some i know testing that new Nvidia chipset has had issues with it and has gone back to 65nm testing on it

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Had issues with "it", 45nm CPU's or the mobo?

What issues? Specific details? Sources? Links to the Enquirer?

oops wrong thread

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Originally Posted by hollo

rahul sood again eh..

http://www.rahulsood.com/2007/08/ben...edy-whack.html
kk ;)

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Yet, he lost NO credibility for saying something that stupid;)

Yeah... HP Gaming's Sood Sounds Off On State Of Chips

He mislead about Phenom.. but mislead has nearly every other journalist we know. He could still be right or wrong.

The issue is the reference nVidia board(s). If he used Asus striker extreme he wouldnt have a problem.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

The issue is the reference nVidia board(s). If he used Asus striker extreme he wouldnt have a problem.

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proof?

Also, HP uses the striker extreme for both SLI and CF computers so I think they've tried it ;)

Does anyone have any percentage differentials on the frame rate hit running CF on an nForce chipset has? The Blackbird implements this, as we know, but are they doing it via xDNA drivers, and if so, what's the difference between it and a high end Intel or ATI chipset?

There is probably no measurable difference from running CF on a nForce chipset. It's just drivers and BIOS' that are restricting it.