NVIDIA G84 will be the first entry-level DX10 GPU

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NVIDIA G84 will be the first entry-level DX10 GPU


While NVIDIA has had some trouble getting into the entry-level GPU market in the past, the company should have some better luck this time.

The G84 series will be the first entry level DX10 GPU, set to replace the 7300 series as a graphics card for people who do not want to spend a fortune on graphics. It has an unknown level of pipelines, but it will be a stripped down version of the G80. The G84 will support Shader Model 4, have unified shaders and be fully compatible with SLI. The G84 should be announced at CeBIT in March.

http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=36590

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But what about G86, is that still sched for Q1 and CeBIT as well? Who gives a rat's about low-level dx10 cards as it'll be IGP soon enough. The real movement begins there IMO...Affordable, yet actually decent and usable dx10 cards that may compete with last gen's high-end. If not through the 8600, then through the 65nm rv630 in Q2 or Rv660/670 in Q3.

not much info there

No 64 bits and/or TC please !

G80 = 7800GTX

G84 = 7300GS




8900 (direct replacement of 8800, straight die shrink)
8 SP groups, and 6 ROP, 384 bit GGDR4 ($400-$600)
GTX - 700Mhz, with 1.4 Ghz mem (little less total power)
GT - 550Mhz, with 1 Ghz mem (replace 8800GTX)
GS - same as GT but with 1-2 SP groups and 1 ROP disabled, comparable to 8800GTS

8700 6 SP groups, 4 ROP, 256 bit GDDR4 ($200-350)
GT - 700Mhz, 256/512MB 1.4Ghz mem
GS - 550Mhz GT with an SP group disabled.
*highly unlikely, but hoping

8600 4 SP groups, 2 ROP, 128 bit GDDR3 (perhaps even 192 bit? 192MB?) ($100-200)
GT - 700Mhz, 256MB 1.0Ghz mem
GS - 500Mhz, 256MB 0.7Ghz mem

8200 2 SP groups, 2 ROP, 64-128bit GDDR3 ($50-100)
600Mhz with 1.0Ghz mem
400Mhz with 0.7Ghz mem 64bit

^^ Hope your right about 8900GTX.........65nm Im guessing?? Higher core clock + GDDR4 and less power consumption, possibly lower price..........sounds like a winner to me. Exactly what I was waiting for :)

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Originally Posted by G4h4o8s6T

^^ Hope your right about 8900GTX.........65nm Im guessing?? Higher core clock + GDDR4 and less power consumption, possibly lower price..........sounds like a winner to me. Exactly what I was waiting for :)

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well the word is that it is going to be 80nm not 65.
nVidia normally goes with the half node process steps

^Yep...PROBABLY. Although this story (pick your news source) makes you wonder, although true enough early 07 sounds early.

65nm will prolly be towards the end of the year, just like R680. Still don't know if that's another G8x, or G90...Either seems possible although signs seem to point to another G8x, but 65nm is obviously a big jump and would require a redesign even if a refresh. From there G90, if that isn't, would prolly be 65nm with G91 on 55nm...Same ol' nvidia pattern.

If it's any indication, ATi started sampling 65nm parts in mid-year (prolly rv610/r630), while Nvidia announced it around the tail end of October. The past has shown the time from sampling on a new process to retail is usually around 12 months iirc.

The time also shows that NVidia uses advanced (shrinked) tech processes firstly on low and middle end cards then pushes it to high-end segment, but ATI jumps on it with high-end cards or the whole family at once. So 8900 certainly will be on 80nm cos 7600 and 7300 chips are already available in 80nm "flavour" :)

Is the 8900GTX estimated to be released in Q1 07?

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Originally Posted by Nicksterr

Is the 8900GTX estimated to be released in Q1 07?

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No1 knows exactly but I'm pretty sure it won't be released that soon but I do expect it will be released within 2-2½ months after R600 release or like end of March or beginning-middle of April, pure speculation but I try to take account earlier patterns in Nvidia releases and the 80nm process and some logic. If Nvidia can achieve that I'm satisfied at least, would give a rather short "interesting" period of the first R600 cards.

I'd almost put money on G81 showing in march. If you're going to buy an 8800GTX get an eVGA for the step up.

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Originally Posted by Cooper

The time also shows that NVidia uses advanced (shrinked) tech processes firstly on low and middle end cards then pushes it to high-end segment, but ATI jumps on it with high-end cards or the whole family at once. So 8900 certainly will be on 80nm cos 7600 and 7300 chips are already available in 80nm "flavour" :)

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Agreed. IE 68gt(x) on 130nm, 66gt on 110nm, 7800gt(x) on 110nm...but then the refresh for high-end as well as low-end was ALL on 90nm (73/76/79) at approx the same time...although that was another hard-step to 90nm, not a dumb shrink.

I think AMDTi is actually starting to follow suit though. Looking at rv505/rv535/rv560/rv570, you could say they pushed 80nm forward on the low-end and now will follow suit with R600. As such, rv610 and rv630 (low-end) will be released on 65nm first (according to roadmaps), and Rv660/rv670; R680 (high-end) will follow later towards the end of the year.

The only real difference is ATi seems to be ahead on the process front, although who knows how quickly nvidia will transition again from 80nm to 65nm, and which markets they'll go after. Will they refresh the G84/86 as well to 65nm if they are initially 80nm, or make them try to last until the GF9 series? How long would 80nm products be around before being phased out? Agreed though, we'll prolly see G84/G86 on 80nm (sched for Q1), followed by a G81 on 80nm shortly after if not at the same time, but I think we also agree at least one nvidia 65nm part is coming (G85 and/or G90) later this year. Most likely the former, to gets the bugs out...but perhaps the former to avoid a messload of same gen products...It's a tough call to guess what they'll do with the hard step to 65nm and the given timing for their expected releases dates, future products, and the processes available now and very soon. Two high-end refreshes in the same gen, and perhaps even a lower-end refresh using shrunken chips (90-80-65) would be unprecedented for nvidia, and be very strange to see occur. Even more so, if that did happen, i'd be really pissed if I owned a product only quickly to be replaced by another. Talk about quick phasing out of products if that did occur...or one really long-ass generation that would become quite stale come the end of it.

Looks like the 8700's will be for me !

My next upgrade (which won't be in a few years) is gonna be a 8900 clipped down (wonder what they'll call it). I'll get it after dx11/sm5:)

Wow. I would just like to comment that I'm impressed with how you guys for once are agreeing on these topics and how educated and well informed you are. I really mean it. The conclusions you draw are all logical to me and seem correct. I learned and agreed a lot reading this page, and was made proud to be a member of this forum :) :buddies: :p:

well, im pretty sure we wont see a card from nvidia thats faster than the 8800gtx for a long time. i mean, other than the overclocked 8800gtx's.