Intel's Response For Q3 '07: Yorkfield

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10-04-2006, 02:09 PM
Carfax

Intel's Response For Q3 '07: Yorkfield

This is what the K8L will face, according to VR-Zone:

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Yorkfield Extreme Edition based on the 45nm Penry core architecture will meet heads-on with AMD Altair based on the 65nm K8L core in Q3 2007. Both are quad core offerings but AMD touted theirs to be a native quad-core with dedicated 512KB L2 cache for each core and an additional 2MB L3 cache for the 4 cores to share. Intel has different plans for Yorkfield. Instead of sharing L2 cache for all the cores, the L2 cache size is further increased. Due to its advanced 45nm process technology, Yorkfield XE is able to pack a total of 12MB L2 cache (2 x 6MB L2) and still achieving a much smaller die size. The clock speed is significantly higher at 3.46-3.74GHz too.

And Intel can pull it off too.. Their 45nm process will be top notch, and the Core architecture doesn't consume much power due to it's incredible efficiency.. It will also have SSE4, the most sigificant extension to Intel's SIMD since SSE2..

I hope the K8L is a badass mofo, because it will be facing an uphill battle next year..

Interesting times ahead folks....interesting times indeed!

http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspi.../Yorkfield.GIF

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10-04-2006, 02:19 PM
Carfax

I hope the game developers get cracking on making new engines that can handle these quad core monsters.

With all of this power, it would be a shame for any of it to go to waste.

Lets hope Alan Wake is the first of many.
10-04-2006, 02:37 PM
[XC] hipno650

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: i wonder how this thing would oc:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: i am abit dissapointed tho seeing that it won't share the l2:( because if it did then:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: i might buy conroe and wait for a shared l2 version of this:slobber:
10-04-2006, 02:39 PM
nn_step

yawn, more like a pocket monster...
basic math is Increase FP performance and add Cache liberally...
hmm almost expected.. Funny fact that most people miss is that K8 still beats Conroe in interger performance...
10-04-2006, 02:46 PM
Carfax

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Originally Posted by nn_step

yawn, more like a pocket monster...
basic math is Increase FP performance and add Cache liberally...
hmm almost expected.. Funny fact that most people miss is that K8 still beats Conroe in interger performance...

Are you kidding? Conroe slaughters the K8 in integer performance!

The K8L might be better than Yorkfield clock for clock in FP, but due to Yorkfield's clockspeed advantage, I think Yorkfield may have the upper hand overall.

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i am abit dissapointed tho seeing that it won't share the l2

The cache is still shared, just not between all four cores. The reason is probably because it's difficult to get four cores to share cache effectively at the same time.
10-04-2006, 03:05 PM
Poodle

Seems like an act of desperation to me. Intel must know that the Kenty sucks badly (Hallo Prescott!) We are seeing the Pentium D rutin again on the new quads from Intel. The non native thing seems to have a bad effect on power consumption. When Intel adds cores the heat multplies with the number of cores added. When Amd adds cores it stays in the same Tdp value as before the core addition.

And the k8L has some new advanced power feats. that will increase performance/w even more. :clap:

And then Intel have that fsb 1333 to worry about (it sucks). Amd will win easy at least on the server plattform, due to memory and bandwidth performance.
10-04-2006, 03:15 PM
accord99

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Originally Posted by Poodle

Seems like an act of desperation to me. Intel must know that the Kenty sucks badly (Hallo Prescott!) We are seeing the Pentium D rutin again on the new quads from Intel. The non native thing seems to have a bad effect on power consumption. When Intel adds cores the heat multplies with the number of cores added. When Amd adds cores it stays in the same Tdp value as before the core addition.

That's because Intel's TDP right now are much lower than AMD's. Even with the doubling, Kentsfield's power consumption is roughly the same as a FX-62.
10-04-2006, 03:17 PM
.sentinel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carfax

This is what the K8L will face, according to VR-Zone:

And Intel can pull it off too.. Their 45nm process will be top notch, and the Core architecture doesn't consume much power due to it's incredible efficiency.. It will also have SSE4, the most sigificant extension to Intel's SIMD since SSE2..

I hope the K8L is a badass mofo, because it will be facing an uphill battle next year..

Interesting times ahead folks....interesting times indeed!

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You are a walking Intel advertisement. SSE4 does nothing and at 3.74 with a large heatdump I would like to see that on their stock cooler.
10-04-2006, 03:17 PM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carfax

Are you kidding? Conroe slaughters the K8 in integer performance!

The K8L might be better than Yorkfield clock for clock in FP, but due to Yorkfield's clockspeed advantage, I think Yorkfield may have the upper hand overall.

funny considering that K8 beats conroe at the same clock speed in
SM Cryptography ( 8.2% faster) and SM STREAM (4.3% faster) which If I remember correctly are both mainly integer programs that use lots and lots of memory
10-04-2006, 03:21 PM
accord99

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Originally Posted by nn_step

funny considering that K8 beats conroe at the same clock speed in
SM Cryptography ( 8.2% faster) and SM STREAM (4.3% faster) which If I remember correctly are both mainly integer programs that use lots and lots of memory

Funny considering a C2E scores 18.5 on the single-threaded SpecInt2006 benchmark while a 3GHz Opteron only scores 13.3. Cryptography is dependent on a few instructions and Stream is a memory test.
10-04-2006, 03:23 PM
adamant415

I do not see yorkfield as an act of desperation. AMD is the company with their backs against the wall needing to prove something. K8L is getting delayed, and it will be interesting to see what makes it to the market first. Draft N wireless or K8L. Intel has stepped up their game and looks like they will be following their plans for a new architecture every two years.

AMD needs to step it up or they will get steam rolled. AMD has woken a sleeping giant. I'm not a fan of Intel or AMD, I am a fan of performance. If K8L is the best thing since sliced bread when it comes out I will buy it. I just don't think they will be able to keep up like some of the fanboys believe.
10-04-2006, 03:24 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by accord99

Funny considering a C2E scores 18.5 on the single-threaded SpecInt2006 benchmark while a 3GHz Opteron only scores 13.3. Cryptography is dependent on a few instructions and Stream is a memory test.

rather unique since techinically conroe should be able to do 4 integer operations per cycle while AMD can only do 3...
Funny, then again conroe has 1 complex integer unit and 3 simple and AMD just has 3 complex
10-04-2006, 03:24 PM
Kanavit

too bad , cache dont' mean much for AMD architecture.
10-04-2006, 03:24 PM
Carfax

Quote:

Originally Posted by .sentinel

You are a walking Intel advertisement. SSE4 does nothing and at 3.74 with a large heatdump I would like to see that on their stock cooler.

Obviously you've never seen nor heard anything about SSE4.. I think I'll just let you remain ignorant and laugh at you :banana:

Also, if this chip is real, it will be on 45nm, smaller process than what Core 2 is on now, so it will consume less energy and have less leakage.
10-04-2006, 03:27 PM
Carfax

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

rather unique since techinically conroe should be able to do 4 integer operations per cycle while AMD can only do 3...
Funny, then again conroe has 1 complex integer unit and 3 simple and AMD just has 3 complex

NN_step, this is overtly biased even for you..

Seriously, the P-M family and all it's derivatives are well known to be extremely strong in integer.

Even Yonah rocks the K8 in integer, let alone Core 2..
10-04-2006, 03:36 PM
3NZ0

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

funny considering that K8 beats conroe at the same clock speed in
SM Cryptography ( 8.2% faster) and SM STREAM (4.3% faster) which If I remember correctly are both mainly integer programs that use lots and lots of memory

But the question is, does that have a noticable impact on the real world use?
10-04-2006, 03:41 PM
perkam

nn, don't try to threadjack,

Everyone else chill. There have been many sources of info on K8L but only 1 for Yorkfield.

Perkam
10-04-2006, 03:44 PM
fhpchris

I like aggravate discussions wiiiiiiiii :banana:
10-04-2006, 04:50 PM
erwinz

:hehe: i'll wait for the real thing an let it fight in a bout.. :D
10-04-2006, 04:53 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by erwinz

:hehe: i'll wait for the real thing an let it fight in a bout.. :D

a very valid statement. Honestly we have no idea how Intel's or AMD's monster will turn out but all we know is that the next few years are going to very interesting times for us
10-04-2006, 04:55 PM
Theli

I'm wondering, what exactly are the advantages of reducing 90nm to 65nm and on to 45nm? Someone mentioned reduced power consumption.
10-04-2006, 04:56 PM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

funny considering that K8 beats conroe at the same clock speed in
SM Cryptography ( 8.2% faster) and SM STREAM (4.3% faster) which If I remember correctly are both mainly integer programs that use lots and lots of memory

that means nothing, maybe a crappy car can beat a ferrari at 20km/h but the ferrari at 300km/h beat it.

not saying C2D is a ferrari nor amd is a crappy car.

K8L will be good and also intel will have a good cpu this "new" cpu is just a conroe with some minor features added + the process shrink.

After this one Intel will have a awsome chip with many new things
10-04-2006, 05:16 PM
en4cer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carfax

This is what the K8L will face, according to VR-Zone:

And Intel can pull it off too.. Their 45nm process will be top notch, and the Core architecture doesn't consume much power due to it's incredible efficiency.. It will also have SSE4, the most sigificant extension to Intel's SIMD since SSE2..

I hope the K8L is a badass mofo, because it will be facing an uphill battle next year..

Interesting times ahead folks....interesting times indeed!

Source

:eek: :eek: OMG.... IT'S GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!! :slap: :stick:

Let's reserve judgment until the product is on the market shall we?
10-04-2006, 05:18 PM
Carfax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theli

I'm wondering, what exactly are the advantages of reducing 90nm to 65nm and on to 45nm? Someone mentioned reduced power consumption.

Reduced power consumption, aswell as a higher transistor budget meaning they can add more features to the core, while not increasing the size.

Also, they can make more processors at lower prices.

All in all, process mastery is extremely important, and it's how Intel has managed to become such a giant in the semi-conductor industry.
10-04-2006, 05:45 PM
[XC] hipno650

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carfax

Are you kidding? Conroe slaughters the K8 in integer performance!

The K8L might be better than Yorkfield clock for clock in FP, but due to Yorkfield's clockspeed advantage, I think Yorkfield may have the upper hand overall.

The cache is still shared, just not between all four cores. The reason is probably because it's difficult to get four cores to share cache effectively at the same time.

What i mant was that i wanted it to share it! look at conroe and how it benifits surely it would multiply with 4 cores!

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