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I am contemplating upgrading my Opty 165 system to a Conroe / Allendale system. Not that I really need a reason to upgrade, but maybe I can justify it more if you guys can tell me that a C2D setup is going to crunch quite a bit better than the Optys. So...?
I know this is not a hardware forum per se, but the question is pretty much directly related to the projects on WCG. Are the Conroes kick ass crunchers??
TIA.
Absolutely! Id' probably get the ASUS P5B Deluxe and an e6400. After I see how my little asrock VIA-based conroe board does, I'll probably order a P5B Deluxe for the E6400 I just got in the mail.
Yes is the answer.
A C2D will crunch quite a bit better than an opte 165.
go here and check out the benches for different CPU's.
Hint: C2D ownes :fact:
My C2D on an ASUS p5wdg2 professional out crunches any other box I have by a LONG SHOT! I've oc'd it about 30% and it'll do more if I take the time with it. Was 2.66 GHz and now 3.45. It's a 6700.
Next step...Kentsfield..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by RSmura
Dont waste your money on a 975x based board. They are all :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty except for the $300 ovepriced Asus pro...
Get a 965 board, like the P5B and a 6600.. If the price is too steep, consider the 6400 allendale.
Is it worth it? Yes, very much so... it consumes less power as well :)
C2d's are awesome crunchers. P5b and 6400 is a great combo.
Nice Kentsfield, Kaptain. Does boinc use all four cores?
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Originally Posted by rob725
Yes BOINC uses all 4 cores.:hump:
It is burning up the competition in QMC, currently Kent has the highest RAC on QMC. It is also smokin fast at SOB. What am i saying it is smokin fast at everything.
This thread came just in time for me. Am putting together my shopping list. My thought (please note I am a nooob in OC):
First: E6400 vs E6600: IMO E6400 is a much better choice. Why? Because E6600 is a chip that failed intel test as an E6800 then failed again as an E6700. On the other hand, the E6400 could be a great E6800 but had one bad (out of it's 32 million) cache transistor, so it got demoted to E6400. So the probability of running it at FSB 400 (3.2 Ghz) would be high and possibly with low voltage as well. And since it has less cache, full load temperature would not be a limiting factor.
Second: For a dedicated cruncher, SLI boards are an overkill and expensive. How about the Asus P5B-VM with the G965 chip. Same as the P965 but with intel graphics built in and no SLI? Yes, the added graphics will generate some heat when running in 3D, but not when crunching so NB would probably be OK. maybe slap a 40mm fan on it. And at $130 it is quite cheeper as well. My only concern is that you guys don't review this knid of board because it does not have SLi, so I don't know it's bios limitations.
Any comments please?
Sounds like a great idea for a "bang for your buck" cruncher..and it does have one PCI-e X16 so it can be used for gaming with a decent card..Quote:
Originally Posted by meshmesh
Go for it..:D
I'd love to see a review on that board too. I've been wanting to replace a cruncher I have in a m-atx case. That board with a 6400 would be awesome if the fsb doesn't cap out too low
It will not be used for games (at least not by me :) ). Hence the G965.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Well, am waiting a bit to see how things go with something else, if you know what I mean.:)Quote:
Go for it..:D
PS: MM: Thanks for making me laugh.
edited because someone very annoying wanted :slapass:.........
im going to be in the top soon :p: wait for me guys LOL
I thought someone posted a thread up on the P5B-VM and said it doesnt have the same voltages..Quote:
Originally Posted by meshmesh
Don't know about that board, yet. The 6600 will crunch better per clock because of the cache and won't require the fsb to clock as high due to the higher multi, so it may be a good match for that board. The p5b is a good choice for 6300/6400 because it is so easy to get high fsb clocks.
so what you are all telling me is that I wasted my money on the p5wdg2 pro mobo? NICE! I told him I was a noob and needed advice.
Spend big or go home he said...
Hi MM... :)
Hey, I still stick with what I told you. IF I was buying, that is what I would get myself. When it comes to boards I buy the best and only the best..;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RSmura
No way! You got the best 975 board there is and if I was building another 6600+ board that's what I would get. In fact, I would love to trade you my p5w for that bad boy.
Another choice many seem to pair with 6300/6400 is the gigabyte ds3 which costs less than the p5b.
My wife doesn't game either, so I just got her a really inexpensive fanless 6200 video card, which works great.
So you have 2 PCI-X slots that are a complete waste... the P5WDH should clock JUST as high as this board for what it costs... but it doesnt. instead, they make you buy this for $300+Quote:
Originally Posted by rob725
P5B kicks its ass for $100 cheaper.
This Intel thingy is very confusing. And the Intel forum section has very looong threads with a lot of contradictory info, to the extent that makes it less usefull.
@haltech: Seems not enough testing done. Only one report of 327 (I think) FSb limit. Just found another commenting on the "possible" not a good OCer.
It appears that maybe the Gigabyte 965P-S3 would be a better alternative + some cheep VGA card. Will need to dig into this further now. And I thought I got it figured out :rolleyes:
@rob725: So E6400 400x8 or E6600 356x9 ? Which is attainable at lower core tempertures? thinking of using Zlaman CNPS9500. Thanks.
He had asked me what board I'd go with and I caught from him that $$ wasn't an issue so I told him the pro board..Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
You have more talent than the average guy making the cheaper boards "work"
I thought this was the best bet for him..
The way that I've read the Intel forum is this:
The Allendales (2M cache models) like the E6300 and E6400 run really well on the i965 chipset. So a 6400 and Asus P5b Deluxe works out nicely.
The Conroes (4M cache models) 6600+, run better on the i975 chipset. So far, one of the best 975 bards is the P5WDG2-WS Pro. The highly anticipated P5W64 Pro looks to be very good as well.
I haven't decided which route to go with. This is going into my main rig so it will probably be the Conroe w/ one of those workstation level boards. ;)
True enough, but it depends on what your looking for. It's not much more than p5wdh and it seems like people have a little easier time getting it comfortably into the 400+ fsb than p5wdh. But as you say, either one is going to be fine for 6700 at 10x multi on air and plenty have gotten really good overclocks on p5wdh. I've been really happy with mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
There are more useful sata's on the ws pro and the pci-x slots can be used for hardware raid.
It seems like 975 is a little faster per clock than 965, but the difference is probably not very noticeable in anything but a benchmark.
So, bang for the buck, I'd have to agree that its pretty hard to beat a p5b and a 6300. If you want to try for more than 3400-3600ghz or just want a little more fsb headroom get a 6400 instead.
Yes and since everything is so new and there are not enough well-tested choices mobo prices are way higher than they should be or will be down the road a spell.Quote:
Originally Posted by meshmesh
There seems to be some variation chip to chip and I have read that the 6600+ may naturally run a little hotter due to larger cache, but in very general terms, the cpu heat will be dependent on voltage and it will take similar voltage to either chip to get the same speed, regardless of fsb.Quote:
@rob725: So E6400 400x8 or E6600 356x9 ? Which is attainable at lower core tempertures? thinking of using Zlaman CNPS9500. Thanks.
In any case, at 3.2ghz, you will not have to worry about cpu heat with that cooler. These chips make 3.2 very easily. For me, if I was trying to save the money, I would save the money on the chip and put it towards the p5b; 400 mhz is absolutely no sweat for this mobo. Although, at higher fsb you need to think about northbridge chipset cooling.
ASRock 775Dual-VSTA can hit 300fsb as far as I know.. i've only got a Celeron 325 on mine right now but it goes to 210fsb (4ghz) at stock volts (1.31v measured with DMM) so far... no stress testing so that might drop considerably.
Board is $98 here in canada, if the PLL can be adjusted from within windows may be possible to push it over the 350fsb limit in bios. No voltage adjustments in bios other than AGP and Mem.. but that can be remedied :D