NEWS AM2 Info

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/13/am...atform_launch/


fx 62 2.8 dual core, not exactly what ive heard but perhaps they know more than me

huh I thought it was going to be fx65

yea...what happened to going with the opteron naming scheme....

How does having a 333Mhz FSB not make the processors that much faster than current 939 CPUs? Like most things I see on the Web I'll form my own opinion once they are reviewed.

An a64 at 2.8ghz with 311fsb x9 is the same speed as one at 200x 14. The FSB is not a limiting factor due to the memory access going over a dedicated channel. It may aid those with integrated graphics, but really for the majority of people the fsb makes no difference, just the overall clock speeds.

Good point, didn't look at it that way.

i dont think so an A64 with a memory speed of 667mhz is not the same as one with a memory speed of 400mhz

I think the hard drive is the main bottleneck anyway, so unless you got a couple Raptor 150s in RAID, it probably won't make much difference in load times, etc.

load times?

it will make difference in 3d mark and spi and other benchmarks and overall use it should be faster

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fx 62 2.8 dual core, not exactly what ive heard but perhaps they know more than me

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april of 07 is the soonest it might come out from what I'm getting. I have no idea who they're talking to. 65nm 939's are due otu way before the new socket. besides april would be too soon... where is the public preview? the technology launch? they don't just dump a new socket on us without making a HUGE to-do about it for months at a time (recall 754 and the 21 months AFTER the public show and tell before it hit shelves?).

also AMD has voiced concern over DDR2 and how useless it really is. and with Intel's looming move to DDR3 it seems stupid for AMD to push something in as Intel pushes it out.

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i dont think so an A64 with a memory speed of 667mhz is not the same as one with a memory speed of 400mhz

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I guess we`ll see some improovement.
But seriously 333MHz is very convinient for DDR2 usage and mem dividers

mmm

don't trust ddr2 yet, id like to know when will we see cheap low latency rams (dont really mean PC5400UL), or if the performance boost is good enough for changing everything (got agp, so a new mobo for me means also a new vid card)

i wanna wait till we know when will amd support ddr3 before making my pocket cry

Why does EVERYONE keep saying Socket M2 is Going to Be DDR2.. We went over this Already it is going to be DDR3.. Does anyone here honestly Think AMD is going to start Using a Technology that Intel itself rejected?

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Why does EVERYONE keep saying Socket M2 is Going to Be DDR2.. We went over this Already it is going to be DDR3.. Does anyone here honestly Think AMD is going to start Using a Technology that Intel itself rejected?

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they said the will use DDR2 667 unless you have internal info about a sudden change ???? please tell us i really doubt is going to use DDR 3 this socket if it is coming this year 2q is going to use DDR 2 not 3

lol
Why would they use DDR3 - it`s very expensive so far and A64 doesn`t need THAT kinda B/W

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here's the thing that we've discussed over and over and over and over lately. M2 is not due out soon. infact it's not due out till Q2 2007 (check your calendar... it's only 2006 incase you didn't see that). a public preview is scheduled for April of this year. but NOTHING I say again NOTHING will hit the shelves for over a year after that. AMD does not just do a major change like this without first watching the public's reaction to it in a preview... little meet and greet witht he press.

now why do I say that? ahhh that is an answer to your first question. the other forums I belong to are AMD and MS developer forums... and things are discussed in depth with the right people about products and dates. AMD's big reason for the move is NOT DDR2, but is infact Intel's move to DDR3. even IF AMD feels presure enough to release a DDR2 memory controller on thier chips they know the results. bad news to use something Intel is about to cast aside as a standard. DDR2 is no faster than DDR even though it's got higher frequencies. Poor latencies added to the higher COST (note not retail price) of DDR2 are making AMD forget about it as thier standard. DDR3 however is cheaper, faster AND will soon be the industry standard forced by Intel.... thus making it the smart choice for AMD to make.

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Dang! I absolutely thought AM2 would be out soon :( I was wanting to upgrade to that, oh bugger! Well I'll just go the s939 r580/rd580 route then, I'm not waiting another year for 'something big :p', a year is a long time especially with a slow system :slapass: well thanks for the information man, unexpected.

I'm trying to understand your logic here. Since Intel uses DDR2 AMD won't? If that's the case why did AMD and Intel both use DDR together for so long? Because RDRAM went under and Intel was forced to use DDR?

do you really think and believe amd is going to wait that long watching intel is near to release something good finally?

so this they wont release more cpus just the fx-60 i highly doub it my bets are this year we will have AM2

Intel isn't going to be using DDR2 for much longer Major..
and AMD is going to release a Few New Cores this year.. The 65nm Process.. Need I say more?

http://www.amdcompare.com/prodoutlook/

better check this, 65nm is going to be used in the AM2 not socket 939 forget about that

virtualization and DDRII in the near future DDR3 is coming 2008

http://www.amdcompare.com/techoutlook/

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http://www.amdcompare.com/prodoutlook/

better check this, 65nm is going to be used in the AM2 not socket 939 forget about that

virtualization and DDRII in the near future DDR3 is coming 2008

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Umm dude

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Who is Red ? What kinda birdy is that ? :D

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/9123 there are 2 links 1 is called near term and the other is called long term check both they are the "new interactive roadmaps from amd"

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I see them fine in Opera.

BTW, you and "Red" have been owned by leviathan18 :p:

they might change their mind but i see inminent the change to AM2 this year

is stated by AMD they are going to use DDR2 several times and now with this interactive road map they said it again.

DDR 3 as they said before is coming for 2008

and my guess is 65nm (UnG said is 64nm btw) will be here by the end of this year

i cant believe amd is going to wait more than 1 year to change they plataform again with conroe coming next.

and all what i said except when is coming the 65nm chips are in that interactive road map

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Originally Posted by leviathan18

http://www.amdcompare.com/prodoutlook/

better check this, 65nm is going to be used in the AM2 not socket 939 forget about that

virtualization and DDRII in the near future DDR3 is coming 2008

http://www.amdcompare.com/techoutlook/

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thx, i wanted to know when could ddr3 be for amd :D

anyways, how big would the performance boost be for single cores? would it justify the high prices at beggining? and for dual cores?

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and all what i said except when is coming the 65nm chips are in that interactive road map

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And that's (probably) because things are not going smooth on the 65nm transition... :(
Let's hope they can get it right before 2007 :thumbsup:

well i guess amd doesnt have any problems with 65nm because they are using ibm technology but what do i know?


for 2008 i expect no more single cores and just dual core and more cores

2007 bring the lvl 3 cache and HTT 3

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well i guess amd doesnt have any problems with 65nm because they are using ibm technology but what do i know?

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Things aren't smooth for IBM either, that's why I said that :thumbsup:
Good Read:
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00885/

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well i guess amd doesnt have any problems with 65nm because they are using ibm technology but what do i know?


for 2008 i expect no more single cores and just dual core and more cores

2007 bring the lvl 3 cache and HTT 3

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And that`s the year of my next upgrade :D
Really multi-core cpus would surely benefit from DDR3 and by that time it`s gonna be awfully cheap ;)

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Things aren't smooth for IBM either, that's why I said that :thumbsup:
Good Read:
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00885/

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pretty interesting read but amd stated first AM2 will be 90nm so if they release AM2 april or may i guess we'll see 65nm by the end of this year and then im going to change

I still stand by my statement it is still a year away

well i can assure we will see AM2 before this year end

Yes we will see it but it will not become Retail..

"This circumstance could become significant, as the performance difference between the current Socket 939 processors and their upcoming Socket M2 counterparts will be rather small, according to sources."

Just as I predicted... benefits will be minimal, probably 5% overall, just like the jump from S754 to S939.

But the newer cores will probably provide at least 200Mhz boost in overclocking potential.

Think Socket A to Socket 754.. not 754 to 939...

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Think Socket A to Socket 754.. not 754 to 939...

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LOL sorry but you're wrong. Socket A to 754 = lots of core tweaks + intergrated mem controller which is where MOST of the performance boost came from.

S754 to S939 = double the memory bandwidth and nothing else, which is basically what S939 to AM2 is. In fact, the stock memory speed is supposed to be 333Mhz DDR2 compared to 200Mhz for S939, so it's not even actually doubling the bandwidth.

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Yes we will see it but it will not become Retail..

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As far as I remember, AM2 is made by AMD, not ATI. AMD doesn't do paper launches or limited quantities like video card does. And since the CPU is still 90nm process, there shouldn't be any yield problems either. 65nm might come out late, but I don't see any reason why the 90nm chip would be delayed.

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Think Socket A to Socket 754.. not 754 to 939...

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lol, Socket A to 754 was a huge change, AM2 is just a switch to DDR2, the bandwidth won't increase that much just as HKPolice mentioned.

AMD Hasn't Launched it YET PEOPLE..
M2 isn't going to Be DDR2 no matter what you may think

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AMD Hasn't Launched it YET PEOPLE..
M2 isn't going to Be DDR2 no matter what you may think

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DDR3 is set to begin SAMPLING in late 2006.

So to hit retail, it'd be at least 2007.

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Why does EVERYONE keep saying Socket M2 is Going to Be DDR2.. We went over this Already it is going to be DDR3.. Does anyone here honestly Think AMD is going to start Using a Technology that Intel itself rejected?

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How did Intel reject DDR2? DDR2 is used on current P4s, Pentium Ms, and upcoming Yonah. So what kinda of "rejection" is that? :stick:

I think I should have a $2000 bet that AM2 is going to be DDR2. (Just enough so I can buy a AM2 CPU, mobo and some nice DDRs)

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AMD Hasn't Launched it YET PEOPLE..
M2 isn't going to Be DDR2 no matter what you may think

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so you tell me why amd roadmap says DDR2 for 2006 and DDR3 for 2008 and this roadmap is fairly new no more than 2 months

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Socket M2 will be using ddr2. Thats because AMD will be looking to release the platform in q3 06 by the latest, seeing as Conroe will start creeping up on it real fast if it doesn't. Also, Intel is the company that will decide when DDR3 will enter the market due to its influence, and it isn't anytime soon.

AMD will have a tough time trying to churn out 65-nm chips from fab36 if it doesn't rack up decent revenues in 06...currently all chips coming out of there are 90nm.

Perkam

but if what ive read is correct they are making test in fab30 to see if the cpus runs ok im pretty confident we will AM2 pretty soon and 65nm by the end of this year and DDR2 not DDR3

True....but most will have little reason to go to cas 4 from cas 2 if they aren't given a good incentive...such as 65nm processors. Perhaps you're right and they'll be giving "the promise" of 65nm on AM2 for later on...but there'll be little need to upgrade from 939 at AM2 Launch.

Perkam

at launch never is good to upgrade im going to upgrade from 939 to am2 by the end of this year when i see more chipsets and mobo revisions

DDR 667 with some more voltage perhaps can make lower latencies or always we can use corsair 8000u

there 1 ballistix kit 512 x 2 @ 3-3-3-12 and other 1gig stick with the same timming DDR 2 667 i guess they are pretty good

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but most will have little reason to go to cas 4 from cas 2 if they aren't given a good incentive...

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From the article on the first post:

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While Intel's chipset specifications officially support 4 clock CAS latencies for DDR2-667 memory only, there is some headroom for AMD to optimize the memory interface for CAS 3.

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Maybe we get 667 at 3 cas.

well in newegg you can see them but the 1gig stick of crucial costs 200 and the 2gig kit is 406$ the 1 kit 512mb x 2 costs 190

mmm i want to see reviews with the am2 with these memories

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From the article on the first post:

Maybe we get 667 at 3 cas.

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DDR2 667 was done on cas 3 long ago...we are now at DDR2 800 at cas 3. Check the x3d section for fugger's results...its been about 3/4 months since low latency DDR2 has been out. However, as yet only Micron's D9 DDR2 chips are capable of it...but they are available in quanitity.

Perkam

in quantity and pretty expensive too

Im confused here, I initially got this ASrock sual sata 939 thinking ahead to the upgrade to the am2 cpu which this mobo supports, but if going to ddr2 or 3 who knows, I only have slots for DDR1, will ddr2 and 3 be 184 pinners also?
I know it sounds like a noob question but why would asrock make this product if the memory wont support it?

Socket 939 and M2 are not compatable..
But I understand there are new 65nm Chips coming out for 939

Isn't M2 940 pins? If it makes you feel any better I have a feeling the Sempron line will be 939 for a long time. Who knows I could very well be full of @#$&.

Yes it will be 940 pins, but not the same socket 940 we now up to date.

I know it's not the same pin out as the current 940. I was just making the piont that a socket 939 motherboard won't work.

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That would be nice, though I know one thing, if AMD is going to use DDR2 they are going to lose there advantage of there integrated memorycontroller because of the high Cas lacenty.
And if Intel is going to boost the Pentium-M architecture up to 2,6-2,8GHz, it will be faster then the AMD64...

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Im confused here, I initially got this ASrock sual sata 939 thinking ahead to the upgrade to the am2 cpu which this mobo supports, but if going to ddr2 or 3 who knows, I only have slots for DDR1, will ddr2 and 3 be 184 pinners also?
I know it sounds like a noob question but why would asrock make this product if the memory wont support it?

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When the AM2 upgrade card for that mobo comes out, the memory slots will be on the card and you will use those instead of the ones on the board.

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That would be nice, though I know one thing, if AMD is going to use DDR2 they are going to lose there advantage of there integrated memorycontroller because of the high Cas lacenty.
And if Intel is going to boost the Pentium-M architecture up to 2,6-2,8GHz, it will be faster then the AMD64...

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Why do you say that? There is some DDR2-667 that does 3-2-2-x.

Alot of people used to use TCCD at between DDR550-600 @ 2.5-3-3-8 or 2.5-4-3-8.

When AM2 comes out I bet there will be DDR2-800 @ 3-2-2-x.
2006 will start seeing Dual core dual's. A64 X2's will benefit quite substantially from the extra bandwidth offered by DDR2, much more then single cores would.

DDR2 really didn't make sense for A64's when Intel introduced it. Single core A64's really don't need it, especially back at it's introduction, early DDR2 would have hurt A64's and a new platform would have enraged customers.

With that being said I'm disappointed that the only probable change with AM2 based CPU's will be the DDR2 mem-controller. I was hoping they would tweak the architecture alittle and shrink the cache latencies, even just alittle.

65nm would have kept AMD at an advantage however now that they seem to have problems they are letting Intel get back at them in a big way. 65nm P-D's well overclocked are starting to become more competitive then their crappy 90nm predecessors.

Conroe will take the game away from AMD even if AM2 is 10% better then 939's unless there is alot we don't know about.

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When the AM2 upgrade card for that mobo comes out, the memory slots will be on the card and you will use those instead of the ones on the board.

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Ok ty I was wondering how that was supposed to work out..
I do plan on keeping this mobo as a venice holder sooner or later while I move my x2 onto another mobo with voltage changes,I just was wondering how that was gonna be, thnx for clearing it up for me, its gonna have to be on helluva bug riser card I guess to hold a cpu and hopefully 4 dimms of ram..

man things are getting awfully confusing. Today I was worried tht my upgrade to dualcore 939 was too late as AM2 was going to be with us in the next quarter, now im back at square one not knowing whts going on :confused:

Im sure im not alone :)

If AMD"s first chips on DDR2 are 90nm, little will have changed going from s939. Take advantage of the deals coming up when AM2's shadow appears Summer 2k6.

If you're not going 7800GT SLI, then its not as cost effective to go either crossfire or sli with anything else. Might I suggest you get the X1900 or G71 single card when they come out if you're in for gfx upgrade.

Plus I'd trade that Opty in for a dual core one sometime soon too :)

Perkam

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i dont think so an A64 with a memory speed of 667mhz is not the same as one with a memory speed of 400mhz

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But an A64 with a memory speed of 667mhz with 3-4-4-8 or so is not that much faster that an A64 with a memory speed of 500mhz with 2-2-2-5. I think the move to DDR3 is smarter for AMD, with performance (and marketing) on mind.

It won't happen, it's DDR2 for now.

personally i can't wait for socket m2 so that i can pick up a dual 3ghz 939 chip and 2 gig of good ddr1 cheap secondhand.

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But an A64 with a memory speed of 667mhz with 3-4-4-8 or so is not that much faster that an A64 with a memory speed of 500mhz with 2-2-2-5. I think the move to DDR3 is smarter for AMD, with performance (and marketing) on mind.

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perhaps but who in this forum stays stock???? you always can buy 8000u and rock the world with them

Actually DDR400@2-2-2-5 is superior until there will be DDR2-800 @ 3-3-3-8
and By the time that happens DDR3 will be out.. have to remember they have been sampling for almost a Year now

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Actually DDR400@2-2-2-5 is superior until there will be DDR2-800 @ 3-3-3-8
and By the time that happens DDR3 will be out.. have to remember they have been sampling for almost a Year now

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I'll be happy to take DDR2-799 @ 3-3-3-8 over DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5 anyday.

I guess you have been under a rock or something, 512MB sticks of Micron D9s can easily do 400Mhz @ 3-2-2, where 1GB sticks has seen actions at 400Mhz @ 4-2-2......:stick: So does that mean DDR3 is out?:rolleyes:

That's interesting because I can't find any Modules on newegg that do that
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ubmit=Property
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Zipzoomfly
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...oryCode=011132

I found modules that do 5-3-3-8
But none that do 3-3-3-8
So please feel free to show them to me

The best DDR2 on the market at the moment is the Corsair 8000UL's, with 2.3v easy to get 933mhz @ 4-3-3-4 Prime stable & combined with high FSB, they are speed kings made in heaven :)

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That's interesting because I can't find any Modules on newegg that do that
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ubmit=Property
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Zipzoomfly
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...oryCode=011132

I found modules that do 5-3-3-8
But none that do 3-3-3-8
So please feel free to show them to me

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well check fuggers thread.... :stick:

I did.. and I checked and it is 5-4-4-9 stock.. thus not natively 3-2-2-4
Hence it is in XtremeBandwidth

Search for Micron D9s...they are the TCCD of DDR2...

Perkam

but you can achieve those timmings....

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I did.. and I checked and it is 5-4-4-9 stock.. thus not natively 3-2-2-4
Hence it is in XtremeBandwidth

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If you're gonna argue about "stock" timings, then why the HELL are you posting in Xtreme Systems forum? Go post in Stock Systems forum or something, because the only thing stock about our rigs are the AMD/Intel case stickers.

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I did.. and I checked and it is 5-4-4-9 stock.. thus not natively 3-2-2-4
Hence it is in XtremeBandwidth

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Perhaps you should be in StockSystems.org and not XtremeSystems.org

DDR400 2-2-2-5 were never OFFICIALLY made until after a WHILE DDR400 was created. Actually even today, DDR400 2-2-2-5 is still only MANUALLY set, SPD are still at 2.5-3-3, so does that mean it's "natively" not 2-2-2-5? :rolleyes:

As I said before, if you think AM2 is going to be DDR3, I think a LOT of people here will take a bet on with you for any amount of money.

DDR2 is nearing the End of it's life Cycle.. So why is it impossible for you to understand that AMD is going to wait 6 more Months to release a DDR3 Proc..
Socket S1 (the upcoming Mobile socket) is going to Be DDR2
But M2 is going to be DDR3

About the timings thing a few pages back, the Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400 sticks are rated at 33310. I'd know, i have a set.

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lol... That couldnt be further from the truth. Infact DDR2 is just now starting to kick off, we have atleast 2 years to go before DDR2 is "on its way out". Hell half of the MFGRs havent even geared up for mass-ddr2 production yet.

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I dont get why you are being so insistant about AM2 being DDR3... Ive said to you personally that it is not. You can choose to believe what I am telling you or not, but it will not change the facts. This summer you will see for yourself that it does not use DDR3.

And in addition why would they want to use DDR3? Have you even seen the kind of latency it has? You think people are complaining now about 4-4-4..ha Id love to see people's reaction when they find out that Samsung GC16 is like 9-8-8-25 (id have to check). The best DDR3 for timings out of all of them is GC20 which sports 7-7-7-21

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Socket S1 (the upcoming Mobile socket) is going to Be DDR2
But M2 is going to be DDR3

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S1 is, rather was to be the Sempron socket which I believe they canned for a unified AM2 socket. M1 is the socket you are thinking of (the mobile one) which was also (I believe) canned for the reason above

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Search for Micron D9s...they are the TCCD of DDR2...

Perkam

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Its honestally closer to being like BH5. The new chips we released are far closer to being TCCD than is D9 (has both in front of me)

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DDR2 is nearing the End of it's life Cycle.. So why is it impossible for you to understand that AMD is going to wait 6 more Months to release a DDR3 Proc..
Socket S1 (the upcoming Mobile socket) is going to Be DDR2
But M2 is going to be DDR3

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Again with the DDR3 crap? Just stop it!

http://images.picpile.com/uploads/870367532.jpg

just forget about it or this thread is going to be closed again... he can believe whatever he wants...

Thank you Leviathan... All we can do is wait and see

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Actually even today, DDR400 2-2-2-5 is still only MANUALLY set

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IIRC, SPDs were made to be lower, so one could have his system boot :(

However, many SPDs today are infact DDR400-2-2-2-5.

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Thank you Leviathan... All we can do is wait and see

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I don't see what his reason is besides "doesn't make any sense for AMD to use something that Intel is discarding." That's a horrible reason, plus AMD officially states on their website that they plan DDR2 usage for 2006.. I really thought he was high or something when he wouldn't give it up after that :rolleyes:

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For you to be pwned.. honestly I can't believe you're so dull :stick:

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forget about that.... keep the thread clean


as i said he has some reason to believe that so time will say which one is wrong or right

hardocp working es

check the attachment for proof of ddr2 usage, tested stock 2.4 ghz

That image is so Grainy it can be fake..

Will you give it up :rolleyes:

I used to think you knew what you were talking about too..

I still know what I used to..
The only difference is I disagree with alot of People about M2
I will admit That S1 will be DDR2 but M2 is supposed to be DDR3

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That image is so Grainy it can be fake..

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That's right, it MUST be a conspiracy for people to FAKE M2 is DDR2, just so everyone would start buying a lot of DDR2 before it debuts to drive DDR2 sales, so they can make billions of dollars. :rolleyes:

Conspiracy????:eek:

http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=3119

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Socket M2 processors will support Dual Channel DDR2-667 memories with a low latency of CL3 and HTT is raised from 200MHz to 333MHz.

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I'm not part of the gang that seems to be ganging up on you nn but there are several sources here that are pretty hard to just dismiss.

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Perhaps you should be in StockSystems.org and not XtremeSystems.org

DDR400 2-2-2-5 were never OFFICIALLY made until after a WHILE DDR400 was created. Actually even today, DDR400 2-2-2-5 is still only MANUALLY set, SPD are still at 2.5-3-3, so does that mean it's "natively" not 2-2-2-5? :rolleyes:

As I said before, if you think AM2 is going to be DDR3, I think a LOT of people here will take a bet on with you for any amount of money.

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CHange the word SPDs to JEDEC reference design, it would strengthen what you are saying;)

nn_step, there are so many facts around here, why do you still insist on DDR3.
that AMD roadmap clearly showed what's going on, ddr3 2008, ddr2 2006, and yet you stick to your stubborn idea of M2=ddr3.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments...1siQlmhX3F.jpg

Now what kinda RAM do those slots use :rolleyes:

just start counting pins xD

Got to 239 contacts, then lost count :rolleyes: :stick:

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Got to 239 contacts, then lost count :rolleyes: :stick:

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Strange I only Counted 184.. Then I lost count :p:

fx62 already? :stick:

My thoughts are FX-60 @ 65nm not 90nm

i just want something new from amd before conroe comes out, i think it would be awesome if conroe came out and still underperformed the latest amd CPU.

Are 65nm Dual Cores with some Refinements not enough for you?