What will be the top dog this summer??
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What will be the top dog this summer??
Dave,Quote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
You need a Dothan, on one of your "set to kill" cascades, it will CRUSH any FX...
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That's a tough one because you threw the x2 in there...begs the question "faster at what?"
I contributed.. :)
i have faith in dothan. :D
Well, we know for a FACT that Dothan at 3300 is equivalent to FX @ 3550mHz in superPi and 3D Benching...
In fact, in sPi benching, it's even a bit MORE tilted towards the Dothan! 23.8s superPi 1M here at "only" 3106mHz!
Oh and the CPU's are $200, lol...
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yes, dothan is strong, but the newer technology chipsets and mobo's coming out will most likely boost performance and the fx57 should be pretty good. man, if intel could get better mobo's for their dothan's it would be ultimate, but they would be losing $$ bigtime.
I'm gonna go with FX-57 seeing how the San Diego's are doing. These are gonna be the creme of the crop, so we'll see. No doubt Dothan's are gonna do well though, i wouldn't mind playing with one myself.
Dothan is good but memory performance suc*s!
Memory performance sucks... and how does that affect number crunching or gaming performance?? And the Sandra numbers... they're not bad at all! What "bad" memory performance do you speak of??Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
I'm around 7000mB/s with unoptimal memory sticks... is that "bad"
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AND for those that choose FX57, may I ask "WHY"??
Just curious... if it's 4x as expensive and "slower"??
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I think Dothan will rock ,but i hope Fx-57 can beat dothan :D
:banana: go..go..go.. FX-57 :banana:
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Originally Posted by charlie
i'd like to see where anyone can answer this, although if they are rich and want an easy overclock, just up the multi...simple enough right???
tuff call here. The FX 57 should have a good chance at this, but I don't think that it will be that much on an improvement over the FX 55. For the FX 57 to beat the Dothan it will need to be clocked really high, I wouldn't be surprised if 4 GHz will be needed when everyone plays with their dothans this summer. Needless to say 4 GHz AMD isn't exactly doable for 99.999% of people, let alone benchmable.
Dothan has a good shot, but I still feel that its not home in a PC yet, even if it fits and works, not a true desktop CPU, its still designed for a notebook.
The X2 looks nice, but won't win this summer. Maybe winter when dual core software comes out, but on single core benchmarks that are so coomon here, nothing more then a normal A64.
Intel Pentium EE, this should be the highest clocked CPU of the summer, if you want fastest speed. They are selling the dual cores at lower speeds for the Dell like comapnies so they can cool them, but for people here, temps aren't as critical under cascades as with OEM cooling, so these will FLY!, sadly, its a P4 inside and will keep it under the radar, but may get a big strike in here.
pff amd fanboy jk,
I hope dothan smokes fx 57
Fx-57!!!
I vote for Dothan because of the better cost/performance. For single threaded applications of course. :) Multithread has to go with the X2.
Though I am an AMD fanboy, I have voted Dothan because of the -100C... That would make crazy results. I voted Intel... I have to go beat myself now.... :slapass:
Usama aka Ferrari Freak
The FX will get my vote if
1) it has no cold bug 2) is below $500 3) can handle 4*512double sided ram 1t. Until then, no vote. BTW Charlie, why dont u use your redline with your dothan.
dothan!
by your posts already you seem to think Dothan will win.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I love the Bias in this poll. Im not participating.
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Originally Posted by AMD-me
why is it bias ?
edit: i voted for dothan cause under -100c itll overclock alot higher than a fx57 on a single stage i would think. but if the fx57 dosent have a cold bug then itll be close if their both on the same cooling.
Because of the -30 C. When making a poll dont express you unsubstanciated opinion on the poll takers. This polls assumes alot considering fx-57 is ALOT different then any previous FX or AMD for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggy McShades
I did the same thing, Ferrari Freak. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ferrari_freak
I was going to say Athlon 64 X2, but then it said "this summer". This summer there will be very few multithreaded apps (specifically games and benchmarks) so I voted Dothan.
Having said all that, is it not a little unfair to give Dothan -100 C and assume FX-57 will have a cold bug?
Dothan's where its at, especially below -80C.
I voted FX-57, but i wasn't thinking that cold bug at all, i know that it won't have it.. (yeah right).
But here is something better:
AMD FX-57 with air beats Dothan with single stage. :woot:
SHould at least be like 4 like in terms of cooling - Dothanb is good, but not an AMD killer (yet).
Have to consider that this sumer is 64bit release too
i believe many of you cant read. it clearly says if fx-57 has the cold bug, that clearly makes the dothan a winner.Quote:
If FX57 has cold bug below -30C, what will be this summer's FASTEST CPU
thats all you simply need to learn to read :)
p.d. no offenses
Initial top-secret experiments indicate FX57 DOES have the cold bug.... so make your decision carefully!
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Dothan! :woot:
I think that If someone is willing to drop the cash on a cascade they should be able to pull together enough for a FX. Another reason people probably will go for FX is due to 64bit windows coming out and you can just drop it in a mobo instead of messing with socket adapters and what not. :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
EDIT I voted for X2 cause they have no or little cold bug and are priced well IMO
Secondly I think the poll is biased assuming that FX has cold bug and why not throw in dual Opterons on cascade with SLi and 8gigs of ram. I'm sure that would be a blast to play with. :toast:
You miss the ENTIRE premise of the discussion!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy
Assuming the FX57 DOES NOT WORK under a cascade (a strong possibility) then what CPU looks strongest??
I believe that if FX57 LOVED being -100C, and ran 4g stable... it'd be the TOP CHOICE!!
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Let's put out a product that isn't ready for the big time, something that doesn't perform any better then the current generation, and hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I don't want to start bashing here, but what is AMD thinking? I know that these are ment for -70 degrees, but look at who buys the FX series? I'd bet only a hand full go to retailers, and a great majority to people here, most with cascades. THe FX55 has no cold bug, and the 57 shouldn't either. I know its hard to produce cores, but when you are charging hundreds for a single CPU, it should work.
People don't buy $900 for gaming, they buy them to break records.
Ok assuming it has cold bug then Dothan would be the bench choice but I still would go for the X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
For the X2 is it on air water or phase?
FX-57 will probably be good for DI. Coolaler has already had it under DI. But I still think that as far as pure CPU power, Dothan or P4 3.6-3.8GHz under LN2 are gonna do most damage.
Now, as far as 3D benchmarking goes... There will be probably a different story. Dothan will most likely NOT own ORB in the near future. Why? Answer is simple - SLI and AMR. Maybe in the category of a single GPU, Dothan will be strong (as it's very likely that R520 will have AGP version). But, FX-57 with a SLI or AMR setup will kill Dothan bomb performance. Dothans without ct-479 are nothing, sorry to say that :)
As I'm pretty sure that FX-57 might be tough luck with a cascade (not mentioning LN2) but I would still go with it, if I had cash to spare for it. Overall, better choice for all round gamer and benchmarker.
Hopefully noone misunderstands me... I'll be getting a FX57, too... and just for the reason bachus just gave... AMR!!
That's right, the enhancements to the A64 platform will make the weaker CPU superior. Eventually Intel will catch up using Dothan architecture (Yonah) but not this summer.
BUT, the question still is, "Which CPU will be more powerful this summer"
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You just said it has a gold bug, but now you are not sure.. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Why you want us to believe that FX-57 has a cold bug ?
Because I know someone that has ONE and stuck it under a -100C cascade, lol... and it don't WORK!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans.Gruber
However, one example does NOT a rule make. It may be similar to San Diego and Venice where "some" seem to be shy of the cold, but not "all".
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he's saying early leaks, rumors, etc are pointing to cold bug, but it is NOT released, so it may change. He; is expressing what would happen, if the fx-57 has a cold bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans.Gruber
As we talk benchmarking in this thread, then this summer :
- Dothan will own SuperPi (not sure about Holicho's 32M ranking, but smaller calculations for sure) and maybe single GPU 3D benchmarking,
- FX-57 will loose in SuperPi but take over the ORB.
- X2 will brake whatever supports dual core.
E7 revision FX57
A good Fx-55 130nm on LN2 if FX-57 has the cold bug for 3dmark, Dothan for rapidly going around in circles.
Regards
Andy
dothan rulzz :toast:
With the right cooling, a Dothan will rule :)
If the FX-57 has the cold bug, which this topic is about, I'd vote for the dothan. Dothan @ LN2 :eek2:
[baiting]I voted for the Smithfield EE, because i fully believe that its the best processor int he world. [/baiting]
Good old Charlie Brown over there seems to want to start a flame war on enemy territory with his biased poll and crazy talk... :CTF:
7000 is not bad. The thing I am trying to say is that Dothan is missing features like ondie memory controller, so memory performance should be lower than A64.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
As for number crunching or gaming performance, the answer is probably not much. As I said it is a nice chip and much cheaper :)
http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20050119/index.html
Dothan all the way!! :banana:
why is it asuming alot? considering its based on the san daigo core wich has a cold bug. if the fx 57's core was so much different wouldnt it be a different core ?Quote:
Originally Posted by AMD-me
won't happen. The FX-57 will crush any Dothan.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
And where is this Dothan available? Which destop motherboard to go with?
Or is this only a science fiction? :D
I'm gonna email AMD about the cold bug. Atleast we have to know what the problem is. An internal tempsensor freaking out can be solved you know, if you know what pin it uses.
What about a coldbug thread in the AMD section? With a database of 90nm cpu's on different board wih information about what temperature they start to have the coldbug ? Good idea ?
For example, Asus P4C800-E deluxe or P4P800-... support dothan with a special adapter :)Quote:
Originally Posted by joe2004
Dothan > X2 > FX57.
Personally I'm gonna get an X2 + DFI Xpress200 + AMR based rig.
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Originally Posted by Hombre
That makes sense, why get the fastest cpu when you can get the second fastest, for more money!
For you charlie I'm sure the Dothan is the best option but 99% of everyone else would have better luck with either AMD cpu. :)
Voted for Dothan.... But never want to get one, amd is my way. :)
I place my vote on fx57 because im an amd fan and because the fx is dual channel and has a great ondie controller. Dothan has 2mb cache but amd just has better technology. Cold bug isnt much of a problem, people should still get over 3.5GHz on fx57 with single stage
Yes, as great that is uncapable of manage 4 double sidded dimm's @ddr400 1T :D :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
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PS: BTW, i'd like to have a FX 57 :banana:
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Ailleur
:lol: :fight: :rofl: :ROTF:
Dothan is also dual channel :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
i believe somone in the thread already stated that it CAN handle 4 double sided dimms @ 1tQuote:
Originally Posted by ^don.k's^
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Originally Posted by moddolicous
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Originally Posted by trance565
The FX will get my vote ifQuote:
Originally Posted by moddolicous
1) it has no cold bug 2) is below $500 3) can handle 4*512double sided ram 1t. Until then, no vote. BTW Charlie, why dont u use your redline with your dothan.
That are conditions that doesn't are the reality ATM ;) :toast:
Maybe you should read what you quote, he said IF it has all of those features.Quote:
Originally Posted by trance565
Fx57 being less than 500$ is laughable, my guess is 1050$.
You say the dothan is cheaper... However, when you look at the poll, and apply the COOLING you're talking about on the dothan, the FX-57 would be cheaper. Not only that, but you'd be able to put the FX-57 rig IN A CASE AND RUN IT 24/7!
Also, look at it this way, the 90nm FX-55 are hitting 3 ghz on air stably... The fx-57 will likely see 3.1 - 3.2 on air. That WOULD own a dothan on single stage phase. This, technically, makes the FX-57 still cheaper, now doesn't it.
I can easily see FX-57's doing 3.5 - 3.7 on single stage. Also, charlie, if SD's are booting up to -80, why would the FX-57 stop at negative 30? It's more likely 60 - 90.
This is why they say it's a biased poll...
Finally, due to the platform, the only win the Dothan could really pull is Super-pi 1m. ALL 3dtests will be taken by the A64 platform due to the ability to run dual cards, bandwidth benches will be taken by A64 due to dothan lacking there, and ALL multi-threaded benches will be taken by the X2.... So other than super-pi, what's dothan gonna take?
Thats not what the poll is about, i have no problem saying that amd has the best PLATFORM at the moment, hence why im running one but to me, the best cpu is a no brainer, at twice the performance/$ (conservative figure) compared to an fx.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Whether or not intel (or somebody) comes up with a desktop platform for the dothan will dictate what my next buy will be. (it sure wont be an fx, but intel or amd).
what does 4x 512mb or more dimms have anything to do with WR's?Quote:
Originally Posted by ^don.k's^
:rolleyes:
you arent going to overclock 4x512 or 4x1gb under a cascade, now are you? :nono:
I dont think ANY system would do well running 4x 512 or 4x 1gb no matter the cooling, at the moment.
Why not? Maybe not so good as a 2x dimms machine but... You have so much capacity... And... DDR2 @4 dimms isn't going well?? :stick:
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why don't we roll the x2 results into the FX57 and delete the Smithfield Extreme Edition of the radar screen then we'd have a drag race... :slap:
dothan :clap:
with nvidia saying no to agp cards and r520 unlikely to be available till the autumn then i think the lack of pciexpress isnt going to help the dothan. also the r520 on xtreme cooling might be getting into the realms where the agp bus is limiting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
I do :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
http://img10.echo.cx/img10/7118/fxbn27zs.jpg
not under a -100C cascade :rolleyes: (24/7) 'less you got the $$ for one massive power bill :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
charlie was talking WR's. not just "cascade overclocking". hecne.. "FASTEST CPU"
although nice oc :P
This should've been a poll ...... FX 57
I'm going FX-57. Only because there can be a chance that it has no cold bug. :P
Forget FX57.....Until FX55 SD get slapped with -90C and boot, the field remains open :D
I wish, a 760 is well over $400;)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I don't think your gonna get over 3.3Ghz on the 730's very often.
No, actually memesame and the others are all on 730, 740 and 750's... the 760's and 770's are tough to run because the multi is too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
I picked up my 750 on notebookforums.com for $200
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I snagged my 730 for $140 shipped @ ebay ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
My favorite thing is the low fsb of the cpu. Just to run any sticks of ddr 400 at stock speeds will push the dothan up to 2.4GHz (12x on 730).
Haha, I can't even express how happy I am with this cpu, "stepping down" in speed from the 3.2E to the 1.6 dothan, I noticed even at stock speeds, all games ran smoother with the dothan. Best of all, I sold the 3.2E for $160 because it's STILL priced up around $220 on newegg. If it didn't need the socket adapter, I would have actually made money on an awesome upgrade.
I love it, but I have to admit, I really wish this chip was 64bit / multi threading capable... 64 bit will be a big perk once games / programs start to finally utilize it.
Actually...Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
3dmark03/05 are both GPU dependant. The Bridge chips found in the G70 and R520 would slow down performance by a bit on the AGP platform, same as it did the 6600gt AGP variant(5 - 10%). Likely enough to offset the extra gained from the extra 30C below you'd achieve on the dothan. Also, what about Dual GPU cards.. That's still technically a SINGLE card... In otherwords, the FX-57 would still win.
Dothan isn't fastest unless it wins a majority of the tests, and thus, the FX-57 is still the clear winner of this poll, like it or not. I can promise you more tests can be named with the fx-57 winning than the dothan. Guarenteed... This makes it the fastest.
It'll have to be dothan if FX57 has cold bug.
:D If - and I say if FX-57 will have a cold bug I expect it at ~-90°C like the other Sandy cores. So there should be no problem to run i at -50° - -60°C on a good single stager.........
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i have a question:
should i buy fx55 san diego now or wait fx57 ?
:D This question can only be answered by Yourself - I'm waitin' for the FX-57........Quote:
Originally Posted by Revage
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does fx57 really have a coldbug under -30 and how much this will cost :confused:
something to chew on...
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23824
I'd wait... Probably will cost the same... And no much time to wait suppose... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Revage
I'm missing dual-core opterons on that list :fact:
So my vote goes to the X2.
The problem with X2's is that there aren't any multithreaded applications this summer. Next summer, yes, this summer, no.
Usama aka Ferrari Freak
:D Take a look at my SIG and imagine a FX-57 at..... - let's say 13 x 283.
Should be a big boost in SP 1M and 3D'01........... :p: :p: :p:
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I think there needs to be a set of benchmarks set to have a real winner not just ut2004 or SP 1M.
i want to see if the fx 57 has cold bug if it doesnt maybe we have a winner buti voted for the x2 future proof
dothan x FX 57 = 9800xt x 6600GT
dothan dothan til 2010 still dothan :rolleyes: ... no new tech..
just dothan.. where is pentium for desk??
i vote for FX 57
coz intel sux
I vote X2 because I game and encode, and do all sorts of shat at the same time and it pwns all... I don't play cyber olympics though I do enjoy watching very much:)
Looks like fx57 will have "it" after all :FX55 SD wont work @ -60C with LN
:confused: Hm, just a thought - ppl say cold bug is caused by mem controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Now could - and I say COULD - it be that AMD will do an improvement on the mem controller of the 57er compared to the 55er or is the 57er only a higher clocked 55er with the same tech specs?
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IMO it'll be an FX-55 which has got + 200MHz. Both are San Diegos, so i think they'll be the same except of the stock speed...
I think I'll stick to my FX-55 and skip the FX-57...I hate cold bugs ;)
Imho, its higher binned 55 with 57 hard coded. It was with LN cooling though. Still waitin result with cascade to 100% verivied it :D . If it proved that the latest FX only reached 3.7Ghz cpu (maxed) :D then Its time for 0442GPMW back...from short retirement :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
Dothan I Think :toast: :slobber: