Someone from australia just brought a 3500+ 0505 with the followig details
ADA3500DEP4AS
CAA2C 0505FPMW
Now look at this chip: Any idea's? Anyone seen a CAA2C?
http://img77.exs.cx/img77/7242/imagem1143ob.jpg
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Someone from australia just brought a 3500+ 0505 with the followig details
ADA3500DEP4AS
CAA2C 0505FPMW
Now look at this chip: Any idea's? Anyone seen a CAA2C?
http://img77.exs.cx/img77/7242/imagem1143ob.jpg
that should be a good one....but it IS an fx-55...
caaac is the best i have seen.
NO its a A64 3500+!
With that stepping!
The image is for comparison to the codes of a FX 55
well, lol, you see the stepping on a 3500, then sure, it's a true stepping. Thought fx-55's were clawhammers and 3500's winchesters tho.
some 3500's are new castles too :P
ADA3500DEP4AS
is that a winchester stepping?
Its so new I cant see why it not should be :)
ADA3500DEP4AS is Sledgehammer (SH7-CG) with 512kb L2 cache.
I have whole box of those, and they are all week 42 of 2004 and with CAA2C code.
yeah but these are newer chips
looks like they've reverted back to newcastles?
image taken by T_M on ocau
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/T_M/NewChip.jpg
ahh there you go :) told yah :)
the newer winnies must be that bad
lol
Stripped down FX53's these 3500's are. The cores likely have been stock piled (for the 4000+) at the assembly plant in Penang so they utilised them for the 3500+'s. Buys time till rev E's come out later this month or next.
sounds like it I got one yesterday and preliminary results
3500+ Newcastle CAA2C 0505 APMW
MSI K8N Neo2 0444A2 chipset with Corsair Hydrocool 200 cooled cpu
2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5
80GB WD 800JB
550W GTR Black PSU 38A/12v rail :cool:
stock vcore 1.47 = 11x 250HTT = 2750mhz
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...hipset_014.JPG
max pifast passable
1.6v = 2835mhz
1.65v = 2866mhz
using divider to test cpu max limits
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...erpi-1m_tn.jpg
3dmarks ran in same windows session
Gecube 9800Pro Extreme stock speed @398/351
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...session_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...session_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...erbench_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...verest_cpu.jpg
Yikes! Nice NC's! Where did you guys buy these from? I'd like to try my luck with one! Please name the retailer and when you purchased if possible. Any one with aircooling results yet?
Wait a sec...
Eva: Why do all the CPU-Z's read "Newcastle" but the Everest reads "Clawhammer"??
These seem to be a new type of CPU, ZipZoomFly now has two types of 130nm 3500+, one is the normal NewCastle:
ADA3500AWBOX
and the other is this strange one:
ADA3500ASBOX
NewEgg lists the core on this new ADA3500ASBOX chip as Clawhammer although it still has 512KB L2.
According to AMD's Technical Ref it should be a ClawHammer:
A=130nm, S= Hammer, 939
A=130nm, W= Newcastle, 939
You can tell by looking at the last two digits on the first line of the CPU, if they're AW its a regular NewCastle, if its AS, its one of these new mystery CPU's.
Yah, I went to Newegg, ZZF, and Monarch and noticed this as well. Also if you notice, it's only the the boxed versions all the OEM versions are still AS. Maybe the rumor is right and these guys are washed up FX-53's that they decided to put into use while they wait for Venice! Let me know, I want to order NOW!Quote:
Originally Posted by HiJon89
How do these compare at the same clock speed to the Winchesters??
@Eva....is that prime stable??
here's a 4000+ I used to have........
http://www.alienhax.us/uploads/4000top.jpg
nice eva! The new newcastles rocks!!
If u had better mems u would have less than 30sec!
nice job!
Does anyone knows anything about this:
ADA3500DEP4AS
CAA2C 0504GPMW
???
Sounds like a steal of a deal under $300 for a FX53 (sorta)
I wish I hadnt already spent way to much on PC parts in the last 3 months.
take the cpu it's worth the risk! i do have better mem that's just testing the cpu max taking mem out of the equation the ram can do 273-275mhz 2-2-2-6 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlotKiller
What do you guys think about these: ADA3500ASBOX ?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
This should just be the ADA3500DEP4AS with a HSF and 3-year warranty, correct?
Oh man, someone confirm this and I'll order one ASAP. Hopefully get here early next week!
eva, i am really waiting for a spi 1mb and 32mb with mems @262 2-2-2!!!
could you tell me how high you o/c with the stock HSF???
thanx
I dont get why they went back to .13 micron.
For the reason I said earlier......Quote:
Originally Posted by =[PULSAR]=
These cores will be largely redundant when San Diego and Venice are released so they are using them up to meet demand in the interim - win win situation all round if you ask me.
BTW the cores probably sat in Penang for nearly half a year before being assembled as the 4000+ CAA2C's were assembled around week 40 of last year.
From what I've seen in this thread, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
maybe some old pieces....
found this on a german site Link shows it as a Venice Chip?
This was brought up in another thread. That website mislabelled those things, someone in another forum said they bought a couple and got something that wasn't a Venice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingz
maybe these 3500+ CAA2C are failed FX-57 2.8ghz cpus ?
Is it possible to enable the "extra" 512 kb L2 cache if that's the case? Or is it not present on the chip?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Eva- do you know why CPU-Z and everest give you different core IDs?
probably either cpuz or everest or both aren't updated to detect this new cpu id
right now stresscpu and prime stable at 2806mhz at 1.6v so could be failed FX-57s
I doubt it, P4 30 Cappers are failed EE's and no one yet has found a way to enable the extra cache so I would'nt count on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
eva2000
It can't be a failed FX57 because FX57 should be 0.09 by all accounts, while this buddy is an overstock of 0.13
ah yeah 0.13 so wonder what it is
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...resscpu_tn.jpg
Guys, it's a clawhammer 3500+ with 512 cache.
Also, I have a week 0506, code bpmw, and it is great :)
Max pi stable at 3G, and 2.9G primestable with water cooling :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlotKiller
Place of purchase (if in the US)? Thanks! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
what vcore ?Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
Max PI stable vcore is 1.8V, and prime stable vcore is 1.76. :D
Also, place of purchase is somewhere in Asia. ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
dam been with winnies too long seems like very high vcore but it's a clawhammer hehe
Forgot to mention, but this thing does 2.8G prime stable
at vcore only 1.55V :D
Love my CPU :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
OC, That the best detective work so far...that came out from Penang, Malaysia....The place where they did a final touch of AMD's core assembly line :toast: Basically it is 4000+.Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Detective
Wow, could someone slap it with phase?
I want one!
ill trade my 3500+ plus cash :P
dang.. i cant seem to keep a system long enough before some better cpu or memory or mobo comes out..
Just pick one up from ZipZoomFly, they have 3 3500+'s in stock ATM, the Winchester, the NewCastle, and this one. This one is the ADA3500ASBOX
i'm at superpi/pifast able at 2918mh at 1.73v :)
Man, the stuff is great. :)
Guys go get one before it becomes out of stock. :D
My retailer here is already out of stock with clawhammer 3500+.
Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
hey i got mine for AUD$416 which is 1/3rd to 1/4th the price of an FX-55 hehe
im gonna try my luck, just ordered one from the egg.
It will be @3.2Ghz with DFI and phase at 1.85V :D ...I gotta get one...Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
hehe darn CPU torturer :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
best can do for superpi 1m is 2918mhz at 1.73v (yes still using mem divider while i test the max of cpu by itself)
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...erpi-1m_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...erpi-2m_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...st_4275_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...erbench_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...idation_tn.jpg
Did anyone try this cpu with the stock HSF or XP 120??? How high did it o/ced?
It is hotter than winnies... right?
only tried on Corsair Hydrocool 200 water
so far
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...rpi-16m_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...rpi-32m_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...i-16m_SSE2.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...2m_SSE2_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...uff_mem_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...st_4177_tn.jpg
max pifast and superpi 1M able
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...st_4092_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...erpi-1m_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...erpi-2m_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...1m_SSE2_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...2m_SSE2_tn.jpg
i think that you can better right there... try to tweek the timings with the A64 tweeker! ;)
suggestions i doubt i can get a64tweaker any tighter
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...tweaker_tn.jpg
look at this.... it's higher but take a look at the timings... what is your mem?
http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=186276
well 1GB of ram will be faster for 16M and 32M than 512MB total ram
i'm using 2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5
Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
eva a friend of mine got one of these local 324USD, there was 2 of them with your exact week/steeping.. im gonna try to get it after he tests his pending his does as good as yours..
eva have you tested any 3d? im sure its stable, but im curious.
These seem like awesome chips. there alot of money tho. but just under 3ghz for 300bucks seems worth the pennies.
i have the same stepping as eva
CAA2C 0505 APMW
using my shuttle sff xpc with normal room temp air.
set @1.65v, reading 1.63v in cpu-z and bios.
the highest clock I can achieve is 2786mhz, which will run superpi 1M
I have done as you directed and ordered one from ZZF. :D Let's hope it OCs better than my winnie(2.7ghz) and my FX-53(2.55). I broke my winnies mem controller, so I have to run a 5:4 mem divider in order to get 2.5ghz on my CPU. Oops. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by HiJon89
You broke your mem controller? How the h*ll did you do that? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by GregP24
@Eva200: Very nice scores you've got there!
High vdimm. Winnie mem controllers are pretty weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by A_X
could of sworn i posted my 3dmark2001 score heh but here
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...04_5770_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...3_26939_tn.jpg
I just ordered a Winchester from ZZF, saw this thread and cancelled.
Ordered the ADA3500ASBOX 80717-1.
I sure hope the ppl that opened the boxes of CPUs, labled the right parts 80717-1.
How many versions of the same CPU will AMD have? Wow.
Someone tell me I did the right thing......
:toast:
u did the right thing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RacerX27
:toast:
eeek hope i can order tmrw morning. Grr didnt want to spend this much but this sounds liek a steal
Good to hear!Quote:
Originally Posted by |3ourne
If I get 2600mhz I'll be happy....I was going to get a 4200+, but if this CPU works out, I won't go that route. 2675-2700 would make up for the lower cache anyways.
wow, I'm trying to exchange my 3200+ winnie I am rmaing to newegg for the ADA3500ASBOX, I hope they will do it, and not charge a restocking fee or something. That would be awsome to get a 4000+ for the price of a 3500+ :)
with this cpu 'm using the 550W GTR psu and strange thing is
11x 260HTT with DDR400 or DDR333 divider
at 1.65v
will pass 3dmark2001
freezes in 1st test of 3dmark2003
will pass 3dmark05
at 1.6v
will pass 3dmark2001
freezes further into 1st test of 3dmark2003
will pass 3dmark05
at
11x 255-257HTT DDR400/333 divider all 3dmark2001, 3dmark2003 and 3dmark05 pass at 1.6-1.64v
hooked up multimeter to 12V rail on psu and when it passes all tests in 3dmark2003, my 12V rail reads between 12.34-12.44v
when it freezes in 1st test of 3dmark2003, 12V rail reads 12.29v (which would be still ok ?)
could be limit of psu ? or cpu ?
seems past 2805mhz i freeze in 3dmark hmmm
but using 5.3 cats for first time seem pretty good :)
Powercolor X800XT PE stock heatsink no additional cooling
stock cpu speed
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...0_26315_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...0_13619_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...00_6629_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...-600_72777.jpg
oc'd cpu speed
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...9_31590_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...1_14609_tn.jpg
http://fileshosts.com/AMD/MSI/K8N_NE...-600_86986.jpg
so should i splurge and get this in a few hours or wait for a venice 3200+?
get this and sell it for what you paid when venice is out, thats what I plan to do
deal lol
Are you guys using watercooling? right now I have my 3500+ winnie at 2600 mhz with 1.52 volts, it can run prime stable if I open the side panel of my case (using XP-120 btw), will I need watercooling to benefit from the AS's overclockability? can it handle heat better than the winnie?
Impressive stuff!
I just ordered one up myself. :D
11 multi allowing tight timings on TCCD = sweetness. :cool:
right let me get this straight...
these 'new' 3500's are sledgehammers or clawhammers with 512kb cache?
2200mhz stock I presume? and they are all CAA2C's?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
AFAIK, 2.2ghz Claw 512kb
That makes two of us. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
on water what stepping etc would you recomend looking for to hit 2800 stable 2850 benchable???
would have to be a 3500+ due to limits on ram speed. wanting 255* 11 game stable.
Dang this thread...I just ordered one from newegg. I hope it doesn't dissapoint me as much as the winnie I just ordered did.
Me too. What should I expect on stock HSF?
Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsyboy38
Please post the full stepping right when you get it, so far ive seen a week 0504 and 0604 steepings..
Will do, but I won't get it till Tuesday or Wednesday though. The waiting is the hardest part...
Just ordered up a couple of these bad boys!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsyboy38
yes i know, i live 30mins or less from NE in Calif, and i have trouble waiting 2 days for anything i buy.
Im a bit worried about these Cpus..
With Eva's issues with 3dmark "freezing up" around 2.8ghz sounds kinda odd.
Alex also had one that seemed pretty weird around 2.7ghz, altho i think his Shuttle has some sort of power fluxuateing issue.
Anyways, i look forward to more testing from everyone, and i really am disapionted that there isn't to much interest in these Cpus. there certianly Better then Newcastles, and possibly Winnies.
Please post your Steppings and all info as Possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by bito
Post All your Cpu info here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=52420
My question is why do they OC so well? 500mhz+ on a Clawhammer is......................odd.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregP24
AKAIR (as far as i remember) the Clawhammers on the 754pin mobos did pretty good, they were only limited to the 1t command, then AMD made the Newcastle to support better 2t memory command.
I think the Claws overclocked pretty good. my 3400+ did 2.5~2.6ghz on air on my DFI 754p UT mobo.
I ordered one too Friday night - will post results when it gets here.
Just finished reading the entire thread, one of my friends alerted me to the fact that those were failed fx55s that didnt have all of their 1mb cache working so rather than throw it out, amd disabled the bad parts of the cache and as long as 512mb was good, it could be saved and downgraded. Basically its an underclocked, cripped fx55. I have seen what you guys get, some hitting 2.8GHz. Those are SS still, I presume. All of you should hit 2.6GHz at stock volts, if not then they are failed fx55s in more than 1 way, their cache is bad and/or they couldnt hit 2.6GHz on stock volts. I guess those with good cache became the 4000+ and if some cache is bad, 3500+
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
id still like to see proof of that.
http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/
Looking at this chart the blue CPU's are Claws.
All the Claws before the 3500+ 512kb parts were all 2.4-2.6 1mb cache parts.
Seeing the data in the chart seems to make it clear that 3500+ cpus are
a. old stock steppings that did not sell as well as they should have
b. binned and/or failed 1mb cache parts that were cut back to 512kb cache
c. AMD made way to many of that stepping and need to make some money off of them. They are still getting $200+ each for them, not to bad if you have 20,000-30,000 parts to sell.
Personally I think they just made to many of that stepping, and they are making the best of it by making a part that sells better.
has anyone gotten one from newegg yet to confirm they are AS's?
Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX27
if you look, there a listing for a 3500+ Clawhammer for jan 2005.
3700+? No. 55's? yes. But the 55 is made fron sSOI, so it's understandable. Are you saying that this stepping 3500+ is a failed FX-55 or that it's sSOI?Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
I would guess they would be fx-55/4000+ where part of the cache failed as well.
It's all speculation until we get an AMD rep in here and make him/her squeal. Or if someone has a reliable friend on the inside. We've already got a few people chiming in to say it's a failed FX of some sort... so maybe there's some truth to that.
wow, very happy i ordered one today. I should gt it wed-thursday. However I wont have a full machine for a few weeks at least so i will only be able to verify steppings. If these are failed FX 55's with sSOI, well we should all be very happy
Not to mention we're getting them for cheap, because as soon as the cat is fully out of the bag............prices will likely climb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnj