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I stole this from tony , looks pretty decent to me , but he does not have the new stuff yet. Hes using the 3500
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I stole this from tony , looks pretty decent to me , but he does not have the new stuff yet. Hes using the 3500
;-)
How come you guys use that weird AOPen board instead of the more popular SHuttle/Gigabyte/Chaintech boards?
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maybe because Aopen are more open to feedback from OCZ and the oc'ing crowd ? From what corsair guys said, Shuttle hangs up the phone when Corsair mentions oc'ing with their Shuttle boards!
Shuttle does not hang up when we talk about overclocking to them.
Aopen has a working pci lock :-) Anyway its what tony has at home
hey, dont dis AOpen, they actually listen to customer feedback:exclamati
Well they wrote the bios for me im using on this board..only issue is no more vdimm and vcore although it will be better on the 250 version.
Im tempted to mod it although its pretty sweet as is..
how much better vdimm/vcore on Aopen NF3 250 ? :)
those benchies are pretty sweet, I might sell my PC4300 sticks for some of that good stuff.
tonys working on more from what he tells me
is the PC 3500 EB series limited edition ?
how does this OCZ stuff do @ 3.5vdimm??
if it does 270+ 2-2-2-6 i will buy a truckload :D
what kind of voltage is that at ?
It's way too slow ;) :D
Eb wont do CL 2 unfortunately
I have been running 3-2-2 @ 270 though
tonys at 2.85
what is it with you and really sh*t timings?
The only sh*t timing is 3-4-4-8 or higher IMO.Quote:
Originally posted by AcEmAsTr
what is it with you and really sh*t timings?
3-2-2 @ 270 with only 2.85 is pretty amazing.
It's more than amazing... that is some funky stuff.... maybe u shud keep shtum AceMaster :P
maybe I am under the impresion that those are good timings :toast:
Cas latency dont practically have any impact of memory preformance on 865/875 or A64 boards. The real setting that maters is RTC delay.
AcEmAsTr, maybe you want to read this article where the lack of performance impact of CAS latency was shown some, er, 3 years ago along with the dominant role of tRCD for performance.
http://www.lostcircuits.com/memory/ddr2/
I'd take a tRCD=2 part any time over a CL-2:4:4 part
are u sure the AK89 has a working PCI lock? it would seem to be the best ocin board then cept for the limitations on voltages =(Quote:
Originally posted by ryanpgroovy
Shuttle does not hang up when we talk about overclocking to them.
Aopen has a working pci lock :-) Anyway its what tony has at home
Very high fsb but bh-5 will get you a better sandra score.
WHat was the LDT?
CLICK MEQuote:
are u sure the AK89 has a working PCI lock?
Check the bottom of the page :D
I'm getting worried that I havent seen any 32bit AMD benchmarks with this ram.
Cactus
I only have unmodded boards here , let me know what you would like to see I will go try it out ( but my nf2 clocking skills are nill)
Well Cactus, how about the 3200EB 1gb Kit on a DFI NFII B!
Here you have some benches at 235fsb on the DFI NFII B, CPC enabled. Still playing with my new EB samples, so this is a preliminary result. Buffered of course.
Round 2 of the 3200EB 1gb Kit on a DFI NFII B.
At 240fsb now on the DFI NFII B, CPC enabled withe the PC3200 EB at 3.0v. Buffered Sandra results.
Edit: I forgot to say this was completely stable. I ran memtest86+ test 5 in a loop for 13 passes :) 3dmark ran fine.
Andy you think you can get some 1GB 3200EB/3500EB results for A64?
Cheers :toast:
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the Aopen isn't a odd choice at all.
consider how the whole A64 has unfolded in the past few months.
Asus is barely a blip on the radar.
EPox isn't even on the map, and Abit has been plagued with problem after problem, including thier A64 option.
all the "old" companies that were the best for overclocking aren't even a blip on the radar as far as A64 OC'ing goes.
these days it's all about the Gigabyte and Shuttle.
sometimes the chaintech...
so why not Aopen too?
;)
needless to say, Anandtechs results were exceptionally impressive for a unmodded board, and a simple review :D
looks like this Aopen is definatly worth taking a look at.
a few volt mods, and the 3400 and some good ram, and that looks like it would be one hell of an amazing set up.
I would if I had one ;(
I don't work at OCZ Sunnyvale where they have all that cool stuff. I know that bigtoe has some production EB RAM on the way. He has an A64, maybe we can twist his arm.
THERE IS A NEW BIOS RELEASE FOR THE 89MAX
as of yesterday night when I checked their site.
its description is the same as the last release but Im wondering have any of u specially the man who started this thread tried the new bios and seen any chances in available voltages or frequencies?
I am extreemly interested in this board!
89MAX looks like a good board if it had >1.7v vcore and 2.9+ vdimm :)
That must be a nice AMD64 3200+ cpu too to be able to run that with 1.55v max vcore and 2.8v vdimm board.
Its nothing special Eva...;)
2 x 512 + DFi NFII B + T(RCD) 2 + CPC ON + 240 1:1 + 3.0V + 37XX/34XX :slobber:
Just to note, this is what i got on my NF7 @240x11, 11-2-2-2 edit using my Level II BH5 really close bandwidth on the EB, considering this is close to where they top out, them EB are really quite good :slobber:
Andy, Ryan, ricjax.
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for your input. I feel a lot better now. It looks like these sticks aren't afraid of tight timings and high speed.
One question though, ricjax. Was that screenie you showed 3Dmarkable? I would be seriously impressed if it is.
Not nervous anymore and now looking forward to my delivery :)
nice, do the PC3200EB work as well as the 3500 ? How about them 3700EB sticks ?
Ok guys they look good, but what in god's name is up with the price. You see a PC3200 stick on newegg with 2.5-3-2-8 timings... and I guess this EB is supposed to make up for the otherwise BAD timings. OK... $330 for PC3200 ram? I guess they can clock high without a truckload of voltage but the lower model numbers... I just dont know who would pay >$300 for ram that is specc'd for DDR400. Cost-prohibitive if you ask me.... Sorry there is just a lot of EB pimping going on. Nice product but the dumb price.
This car performs like a porsche and costs just as much! Um... woot! nah... 3500EB and 3700EB would be promising but I tremble in fear at the price. Im not going to sell my car to get them. 3500EB should be like ~$300-320. Sure hope it's the vendors doing the gouging on super new product. At least BH5 is guaranteed 2-2-2 and is rare. A lot of you guys are running 2.5-2-2 but OCZ is not comfortable speccing that either. We've seen hardware perform way above spec but this is already priced that way! When do you see that. KHX3000 doesnt cost as much as Black level II because they promise nothing! I want more for my $330 than a guarantee I can run 2.5-3-2-8 and it will run like ram with good timings @ DDR 400. Maybe its the egg and not OCZ I dunno.
Anyone considering this ram should definitely hold off until more results are in. For $330 I need specs not holding on to hope. Time to start agressively moving all these to the ram section though just like all the BH5 threads if you ask me. Not to be a jerk guys but I would feel kind of farked over if a bunch of OCZ employees littered good results about and I pay an arm and a leg and get 215 fsb 2.5-3-2-8. Again no gaurantees, but it sure looks like I paid for one.
Np at all matey :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
Andy, Ryan, ricjax.
Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for your input. I feel a lot better now. It looks like these sticks aren't afraid of tight timings and high speed.
One question though, ricjax. Was that screenie you showed 3Dmarkable? I would be seriously impressed if it is.
Not nervous anymore and now looking forward to my delivery :)
The 240 x 10 on the NF7?
Well it was but i felt 242 x 10 was better than 240 x 10 :D
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7463753
You know this is my BH5 right? i know my post was vague but i was simply showing that 2.5-2-2-11 @240 is not that far of the same with cas2 :toast:
texuspete2k2, memory prices have gone up accross the board, it aint just this stuff :(
Just a little fired up because of the pimping. If the answer is its a specialty product that we dont expect to sell alot of.... that's the answer. I'm hoping its first release gouging by vendors.
Oops, my bad. I really should learn to read better lol. Thanks for the comparison anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by ricjax99
Np at all matey :toast:
The 240 x 10 on the NF7?
Well it was but i felt 242 x 10 was better than 240 x 10 :D
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7463753
You know this is my BH5 right? i know my post was vague but i was simply showing that 2.5-2-2-11 @240 is not that far of the same with cas2 :toast:
texuspete2k2, memory prices have gone up accross the board, it aint just this stuff :(
I do however agree with most of your post, if indeed that is not inline with similar spec'd ram it is very over priced.Quote:
Originally posted by texuspete2k2
Just a little fired up because of the pimping. If the answer is its a specialty product that we dont expect to sell alot of.... that's the answer. I'm hoping its first release gouging by vendors.
I can get 1GB of mushkin special BH6 guaranteed to to 2-2-2-6 @400 for $ 357.30 using the %10 Off DDR Coupon shipped to the UK and $ 330.30 to US.
Think OCZ, think :stick:
Cactus Jack, i edited that bit in, it was my bad. My post was very very vague mate.
texuspete2k2,
You may say I'm biasesd (LOL, and you did), but those are god honest benchmarks. I had the RAM 3200 EB to 255fsb on the DFI NFII B at the same timings, but I had to run 3.2v to do it. I did not want to get to Xtreme (ha) with my posts. I think the prices are pretty good. RAM prices in general have shot way up in the last 6 weeks or so.
Just a odd note
I saw your SPD product name and was wondering
I wonder if the people over at enhanced know that the plural of memory , is memory
not memories
Guys
I agree with you on the pricing , and once the ddr market ( which has been crazy ) stabilizes and everyone starts listing Eb it will get much much lower . Just like any other brand new product
yo another BIOS was released today for the EK89MAX v1.7 is the bios lol another bios release within a day odd...
anyhow...was wondering if u have tried it yet on ur AK89
either of them...
It really should be cheaper than BH-5 you know, at least until BH-5 is impossible or even hard to get. I know you probarly can't affect the price and don't want the price to be this high, just hope it dives. Things are looking grim rhough, seeing to the overall shortage on quality ram all over the world.
Even if it came out rough I'm getting my answers. That hopefully prices will come down. Id consider 3500EB at a good price. Really didnt see the market for stuff that acts like low latency at DDR400 though. I understand you guys are enthusiastic about the new product, but sometimes it is easy to forget that alot of the threads are started by OCZ employees. Maybe they dont have a nicer sample than one would get at retail but surely it can be understood that XS readers should take note who is posting most of it. I dont think it is biased to consider the source. I would think that if you guys had an earlier sample not much binning might have gone on yet... who knows. I have taken a chance on low rated stuff that I might waste my money on. I have spent a lot for more specced performance. Never mixed the both.
If the 3200 sticks got a 10% OC hard to say the user didnt get bent over paying $330. Just trying to figure out its spot in the marketplace.. where OCZ would like to see it. Just so you guys know Im not a hater, OCZ 3700 Gold rev2 might have to get the nod over the 3200EB at these prices. Those Gold sticks look good on paper without fancy tech and wording. At least respectable performance and OC headroom without any finger crossing. Inevitably some poor chips will end up in the PC3200 line leveraged by the EB name. Unless I'm missing something this stuff is mostly good for is the final mixing of nice fsb's, decent timings, and even a litle trick or two to make the decent timings better.
Ok, so now Im going on and on. Maybe a target point from OCZ view would help me... like we expect 3200EB to cost close to the price of 3500EL as an alternative option or something like that. I know companies consider there line when making new products.
I am now an OCZ junkie and even applied for dist rights in South Africa. I`ve seen this stuff out perform just about any mem out there and the staff are great :up: Well done OCZ!
You made some good points texuspete2k2. None of us OCZ types ever said to ditch your BH5. Look on ebay at some of the prices, then check around for a 1gb kit, which we are showing here. How many stores have you seen stocking BH5, and at what price? Just about all the good performing BH5 is in 2 x 256mb format. This EB RAM is a product intended to be an alternative to existing low latency modules.
It is common knowledge that a 2 x 512mb kit will not overclock well in the NF2 boards. Remember we are looking at a 1gb kit, and it's kicking some booty. Speaking of booty, I am about to kick some more.............LOL.............
255fsb at 3.2v, CPC on, 2.5-2-2-2-11, buffered Sandra, PC3200 EB kit pulled from currently shipping stock and shipped to my door and not re-binned or pre tested! The Devil made me do it.
Edit: I messed up on the Mainboard shot in CPU-Z. Still running the DFI NFII B. :)
Those are nice results. I guess I just feel the 3700EB is the product line's real McCoy so to speak. I like a little guarantee for big money, and the products whole EB thing seems to be about keeping bandwidth at high fsbs w/o sick volts. Didnt want to see the lower models hold it's price sky high. 3500EB I'm on the fence. At least after shelling out the dough and possibly getting a bad clocker you can still moderately OC today's systems. Of course if more 3200EB performs like that I'd be forced to eat crow, wait for prices to settle a bit, and buy some.:eek:
I am very interested in Gig's of ram that can swing CPC enabled.
edit: btw, I wasnt under the impression that 2.5-2-2-11 would be a normal thing for these sticks. If just the 3200EB had those specs I probably wouldnt have had much of a basis for my posts... then you have a high price for guaranteed elite sticks. I know some of it is the egg and other vendors. I know its hard to guarantee timings like that so I look to the higher models.
The 2.5-2-2-11tinings are not normal for the 3200 EB. The official specs are 2.5-3-2-8 @ 2.6 volts.
Basically if you want a gig of ram to run with good bandwidth that will overclock, this is it. I haven't seen anyone posting benches on NF2 boards with a gig of ram WITH CPC ON. 512mb kits, sure. I could be and have been wrong way too much (lol), but I think we got em all beat.
Yes the higher speed modules will give a better shot at uber speeds as you say.
Edit: This is low latency winbond bh-5 ram, 2222 11 13/15
I got 1Gb of mushkin lv2, second hand recently and a DFI infinity. I got 250fsb with 3.2v, but running in single channel since the mainboard needs replacing. I could not get cpc on to work but if u look around the dfi forum you see alot who got it working at high fsb with 1Gb ram. I also have not tested any higher thatn 250fsb so there could be more at this vdimm:
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...&postcount=379
Just for comparison, hopefully the next board I get will be able to run cpc enabled and dual channel and we will see a true comparison. However that RAM looks good, but I am glad I am not looking for ram in the current climate. I also have 2 * 256Mb twinmos bh-5 which does 250fsb at least too.
I should have said at low latency type bandwidth similar to Winbond WITH CPC ON. That's a biggie as performance is dreadful without it!
CPC thing on my KHX3000 2*512.... sucks. 3dmark might show it a lot. I can still get like 3800MB/s (buffered dflt test). The app itself might be a timings whore. I mean wtf, I provide it with 2-2-2-11-9-12 :(
Turning CPC off slows the AGP and affects all performance. It's like the old 1t command on VIA baord, except that on NF2 boards it's normally enabled. DFI just allowed us to turn it off, to run 2 x 512mb stick real slow. (LOL) Memory bandwidth in Sandra is not affected. All else is tho.
I reviewed the NF2 B on cluboc.net and wrote a boatload about performance and did a tuning guide. Look in the archives under DFI. I know this board pretty well ;)
Almost have enough saved for some 3200/3500EB now ;)
Looks to be a definate upgrade over my 3x256 of BH-6 that tops right about 240 with 3.2v and CPC enabled..
Andy,Quote:
Originally posted by andyOCZ
The 2.5-2-2-11tinings are not normal for the 3200 EB. The official specs are 2.5-3-2-8 @ 2.6 volts.
Basically if you want a gig of ram to run with good bandwidth that will overclock, this is it. I haven't seen anyone posting benches on NF2 boards with a gig of ram WITH CPC ON. 512mb kits, sure. I could be and have been wrong way too much (lol), but I think we got em all beat.
Yes the higher speed modules will give a better shot at uber speeds as you say.
I'm running a Gig of ram at 6-2-2-2-2-13-15 CPC on at 233fsb with 3.1volts.
The memory? OCZ 3500 EL;)
The 2k1 score in my sig reflects the extra performance CPC on gives you. I would never even contemplate running without it.:cool:
Is anyone running 1GB of this EB stuff @ 2.5-2-2-11 on a NF2 board ?
LilGator, look at all the benchmarks I ran earlier in this thread for a 1gb Kit of EB on an NF2. Some one else posted some too, I believe. ;)
Catctus, I too have some year old OCZ 3500 EL 2 x 256mb that I run at 240fsb 2-2-2-2-11 at 3.2 volts :). The performance is a toss up between the EB and the BH5 EL, except running at CAS 2.5 on the PC3200 EB makes the board more stable, as it gets thru memtest86+ without errors. Not to mention I now have a gig of RAM at my disposal. :)
Nice but if thats 2*256... well, I've never had trouble running CPC on 256 sticks. Double sided or not. So, what size is it?Quote:
Originally posted by Cactus Jack
Andy,
I'm running a Gig of ram at 6-2-2-2-2-13-15 CPC on at 233fsb with 3.1volts.
The memory? OCZ 3500 EL;)
The 2k1 score in my sig reflects the extra performance CPC on gives you. I would never even contemplate running without it.:cool:
Edit: Ok thanks Stevil.. brain lapse... missed it some how. I really browsed this board a LONG time today. I'm done.
He says its a gig, so its 2x512.
Mushkin pc3500 lv2 is bh-5 and is lower lattency than the ocz pc3500 eb.Quote:
Originally posted by andyOCZ
I should have said at low latency type bandwidth similar to Winbond WITH CPC ON. That's a biggie as performance is dreadful without it!
Not being able to use cpc enabled is either a board or bios issue since people in the thread I posted, many have cpc enabled with 1Gb of mushkin lv2.
I tested cpc off and enabled and with 256Mb bh-5 (single channel) I went from 18710 to 19353. With my setup for whatever reason cpc enabled with 1Gb just is not worth enabling, since the fsb is held back so much. Will be getting another infinity (rma) and possibly a LPb since I now want the frontx panel.
"NO voltage mods are necessary on the NFII Lan Party B/Infinity series."
http://www.cluboc.net/reviews/mother...tyNFIIB/p4.htm
I don't agree with that statement. I did a 3dmark with 2.75Ghz with 2v but it was not prime95 stable so could do with a little more vcore, like alot of people have modded.:toast:
"
We then switched to 2 x 256mb OCZ PC3500 EL (Winbond BH5 chips we believe). .... We still hit a wall at 245 or so stable with 7-4-4-3-2.5 ram timings, with the CPC (Command Per Clock) feature on. Of course this was the limit of the RAM I had available."
LOL I just did 2222 11 "ram timings" with cpc enabled 3.2v vdimm @ 250fsb and have not found the limit yet with my trusty "twinmos with winbond bh-5".
"
Using the OCZ PC4200 EL1gb kit, we were able to hit a maximum FSB of 260mhz. Yes, 260mhz on an NFII Ultra board! This appears to be the chipset limit and not limited by our RAM. 260mhz was achieved using 7-3-3-3-2.5 timings. .... The OCZ PC4200 EL may be the best RAM available for this board."
Really? LOL I must be more careful which reviews I read in future.
Unrelated but this is a good quote:
"The memory which performs worst is the OCZ though, no doubt about that. "
http://www.nordichardware.com/review...index.php?ez=8:owned:
megatron,
For every argument you have concerning my review I can shoot you 3 back, that would solve nothing. I used what I had available at the time to test with. I happend to have the 3500 EL BH5 and 4200 EL (hynix). The only RAM that would run in the board with the bios I had available at 260fsb + with available voltage was the 4200 EL. It did a good job I thought, considering it was a 1gb kit and it maxed out the board.
You said:
"I tested cpc off and enabled and with 256Mb bh-5 (single channel) I went from 18710 to 19353. With my setup for whatever reason cpc enabled with 1Gb just is not worth enabling, since the fsb is held back so much."
The whole point of talking about CPC in concerns of a 1gb kit is that IF you can leave it on, which I did in my benches and testing, then you CAN have the better performance allowed by having it on.
I hit 255fsb with CPC on with OCZ PC3200 EB. I think that's a good thing. That's only my opinion of course. Look at the benches I posted.
OCZ is offering an alternative to Winbond based RAM with the EB series. The supplies on the good BH5 are gone. BH6 is available from some vendors, but that needs allot of voltage, won't clock as well and the chips are costly, making the modules very expensive. Shop for some.
If you like your RAM (I like my BH5 just fine) that is cool with me. I have no problems with that. Enjoy it.
Later, buddy
What chips are those modules sporting and is 3.2v within warrenty guidelines? Thx. I was a little erked about a misleading statement earlier, but that ram does look good concidering I paid £200 for my second hand mushkin and I saw that ram for £225 here:
http://www.pc-memory-upgrade.co.uk/m...ram-pc3500.asp
Hey, I tried moving my sticks about. slot 2 & 3 had always been the best for me but I went with the only other DC option, 1 & 3 and am running CPC enabled on my GB of KHX3000 BH5. I ended up dropping timings to 2-3-3-11... had too. Going to have to try to up the volts and get my 2's back. This is 230 @ 3v. Might be worth a shot. CPC is 6~700 points for me.
:thumbsup:
I put my ram to 1+3 too 2 weeks ago and it works better than 2+3 :)
Very nice ram, well I am going to hold on to what I have until 775 and ddr2.SAve some money in the process so I can get a prommie.
Megatron, all is good with the world. No 3.2 volts IS not recommended for our warranty!! Lets put it this way, IMHO is you keep a fan on them and only run that for an occasional benchmark or short period it's ok. I still hit 240fsb with the PC3200 EB at 3.0volts. We feel this is the maximum that is ok to run in most situations. Bottom line is that this stuff is bought bought by Xtreme dudes that run it at whatever they can get away with!!
I was playing with slots 2/3 and 1/3 last night. 1/3 seemed just a bit better in the DFI NFII B.
Would I see any increase in performance by going with the EB series over the 3500EL?
I am limited by the CPU in this shot as I`ve had the memory faster before with a diffrent CPU.
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Three words, New Old Stock
NOS
You can stil buy BH-5 and BH-6 all OVER the place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C
Be prepared to pay well over the odds for it though.Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
Three words, New Old Stock
NOS
You can stil buy BH-5 and BH-6 all OVER the place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C
you can say that again: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...EBWA%3AIT&rd=1
LOL then I must be rich.. what a BS... Mushkin hand-built these modules for me... That guy must have been on mushrooms or something like that.
I believe that the only hand-built memory sticks that were ever built for Mushkin were hand-built by me and those are not amongst them.
I'm definately too cheap to buy PC3500 (even BH5) at those prices!
I paid £200 that is £270, guess I got a bargain. However generally its more expensive over here so that makes it an even better price. Some one emailed me wanting to buy these sticks and they weren't even for sale. He offered £225 and knew what I paid for them.
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfold...55.6sisoft.jpg
The Bandwidth Effienicy can be higher...~1% more @ CPC:Disabled but i lost 1% after install of more drivers...:/
I cant run 255.8mhz+ @ CPC:Enabled without cool down memmorys and the board.
Highest 1GB in sandra CPC:Disabled
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfold...zsisoft1gb.jpg
The EB sticks look nice :). but how high Bandwidth Effienicy do you get @ 255.6mhz andyOCZ? , and when will they be in store in euro? and what will they cost?
One more thing andyOCZ can you test 10x230Fsb for me so we cane compare without i need to move my computer to the window :stick:
Sorry to post these intel numbers in an A64 thread, but one of the reasons I bought this ram was so that I could easily switch to Athlon64 and have Ram that would work equally well for both platforms. I have to say that I love my OCZ3500EB, it's worth every penny I paid.
Test Set up:
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2.4C @ 3.35Ghz - M0 Stepping @ 1.60v (1.552v Load)
P4P800-DLX Rev 2 - Bios 1016 @ 279mhz fsb
MAM-Enabled Performance-Standard
TT Tiger Northbridge HSF w/AS Ceramique
1GB OCZ PC3500EB @ 2.5-2-2-5 @ 2.85v (223mhz) 5:4 Ratio
ATI Radeon 9800 non pro @ 459/658 (A.C. VGA Silencer w/AS5)
Antec True Control 550watt PSU
Results
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Sandra Max 3
6,068 MB/s Buffered
3,212 MB/s Unbuffered
Aida32
5,479 Read
2,165 Write
Aquamark3
50,507
3dmark2001se
20,533
3dmark2003
6,492
Super Pi
41 Seconds (1M)
Double Prime95, Super Pi, Memtest86+ Stable
I know these numbers aren't as extreme as many people on this forum but I'll take them. :banana: I think it's awesome ram and it will do ddr510 @ 3-3-2-6 @ 2.85v. :toast:
The EB looks nice because a lot of people need a gig right now for the new games and might want to use it in Socket 939 down the road. Especially us NF2 owners. Good results at 3.0v is nice with all the horror stories about the A64 memory controller. If it's affordable then I'd be interested in some.
I ended up going with KHX3000 about a month ago because the price was right and the BH5 train is leaving. The CPC thing is a bit of a beotch and might be part of some reported bad results. Not a bad risk though considering. I would certainly try some before going ebay. (Noticed the linked one was sold with the buy it now option :eek: ) Mine aren't even remarked :D Bit of an OT question from me though is there any snags like the CPC one with these sticks on A64 or gigs of BH5 in general?
Sucks the prices skyrocketted when some of the best games (and ram hungry) in a long while come out. Wide open worlds, conquering bases, etc is the in thing to do. Having more fun gaming on my computer than I have in a long time.:eek:
Hey texuspete2k2 :D
I don't think the A64 have this kind of problems as many Mushkin 3500 Lvl2 users are getting fine results with their double sided sticks.
IMHO the NForce2 is the cause for those cpc problems as it cannot handle too much ram banks stably :rolleyes: There must be too much noise...
/edit
As the A64 has it's own ram controller "onboard" that is cooled through cpu cooling the chances are better to get higher ram clocks, and due to the different architecture (lower latency) 512MB modules could possibly get much higher...
Don't have an A64 though, maybe someone can confirm my guesstimates...
Current A64 mobos, mainly nForce 3 150's, have problems with 512 dimms. I don't know why and I have yet to test this theory in my new AN50R. Ryan, wanna send me some new PC3700EB to test? ;)
I have some sweet 3700EB hopefully on the way and will run them at 2,8V in my AOpen and see how they do.My older 3500EB which is nowhere near as good as the 3700 did 250fsb easy with 2 modules but was not as good as running 1 dimm at higher fsb's.
I have a feeling we may see some ubber 1 gig modules soon so running 2 will not be an issue although 939 looms with dual channel.You have to remember we are looking like 3 to 6 months ahead all the time to try to stay ahead of the field.
I'm looking forward to some thorough 3700EB test results Tony. Put it through the wringer and let us know how it does.
Lastviking, I hear the PC3200/3500 EB is available in Germany, I beleive it was. So it's there at some vendors already.
I'm running some sbios tests on teh DFI right now so it's a bit lame at the moment with the shipping bios, but I'll get some more benches up atv 230fsb soon, and trya nd show you efficienct at 255fsb. (lol)
Where are you guys getting these at good prices in the US, excaliber, newegg ?
Well I guess the only way I'm going to be able to judge this stuff is to pick up a pair of 2 x 256mB PC3500EB for $214USD ( :sick: ) and report the results myself... :D
No fanboy adulation and no undo bias. I'll give it a run on 3 platforms, NF2, NF3 and i875P vs. BH-5, BH-6 and some relabeled Winbond.
Now look at the price, at $214USD, it's WAY more expensive than Mushkin L2 Black on eBay, and twice as expensive as KHX3000. SO, WOWWWW!! am I expecting great things. If not, hopefully I won't LOSE TOO MUCH MONEY pawning them off on eBay...
C ya next week.
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How about you mail me charlie and i will try to arange some samples.
Got mine at excaliberpc: http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_i...oducts_id=3453Quote:
Originally posted by LilGator
Where are you guys getting these at good prices in the US, excaliber, newegg ?
They have the 3700EB now also:
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_i...oducts_id=3613
Quote:
Originally posted by andyOCZ
Lastviking, I hear the PC3200/3500 EB is available in Germany, I beleive it was. So it's there at some vendors already.
Yeah. www.oc-wear.de has them :D
mmm, samples are a good thing :)
Charlie, make sure you do a voltage comparison, like the max the EB will do @ 3.0v, and the max BH-5 does @ 3.0v, and run Sandra / 3DM01 benchies to see how this stuff performs at equal voltages, not clocks, it would be nice to have ram that can hit BH-5 speeds, without having to vmod for 3.0v+ ... Of course i'd love to see how this stuff handles 3.4-3.6v :slobber:
Good luck !
Why does the PC3700EB run @ CL 3-3-2-8 ? Can it run 3-2-2, or even 2.5-2-2 getting bandwidth closer to 2-2-2 ?
The EB modules will rarely run cas2...they are optimised for cas2.5.The 3700 will run 2.5-2-2 on many boards even reaching 250fsb on occasion with these settings, mostly though it will need cas3.
Ryan has posted 3-2-2 well over 250fsb and im sure we will start seeing more posting similar scores soon.Please understand TRCD and TRP with an optimised TRAS is much more important than cas2 ever will be.
Ryan has run upto 3.2V and says they perform well, you must remember though high fsb's creates heat on its own without adding to voltage so cooling the dimms well is a must.I have been running 260fsb with mine and without cooling they error like mad in memtest.
One last thing, and i keep saying this: we are not saying these are better than BH5 as at 200fsb they are not.What we are saying is they are the match of CH5 running 2-3-2 timings with 2.5-3-2 and faster if you can run 2.5-2-2.They also overclock further than CH5 with less voltage.
As I told BigToe by email, I see a spot where EB may have an advantage.... at high 1:1 on i875P platform...like when I ran the Prescott up to 4609mHz, 265-275 at 2.5-2-2-5 would be quite nice. At 275, BH-5 has to run 5:4 for 220mHz @ 2-2-2-5. Also on A64 it may be interesting... wil see.
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what kind of cooling are you speaking of? a fan over dimms, heatsinks on ics, etc.?Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
.I have been running 260fsb with mine and without cooling they error like mad in memtest.
you need to cool em, i use 2x80mm fans sat on the dimms but i have the boards flat on a test bench.Pushing nice cool air over the dimms will really help though whether your in a case or not.Quote:
Originally posted by Çhrist0ph
what kind of cooling are you speaking of? a fan over dimms, heatsinks on ics, etc.?
Question: Still using crappy heatspreaders?
I have no love of heatspreaders.. not one I have ever laid my hands on has every worked worth its make... and this goes for all manufacturers ;)
hey but it looks purty, doesn't that count ? :P
http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/...umebdc3500.jpg
I'm just waiting for the egg to stock them. Excaliber has the price way to high for me atm.