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now what on earth is that?
took the pics from another forum a mate of mine posted just in case you havent seen it...well i havent...
Now tell me...do you feel sick once again asetek has copied the mach 2 concept like the did with the LRWW waterblock?
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Actually i dont care who makes it as long as it performs good, But the fact that the design is taken from the Mach 2 makes me wanna puke, but hey! i just want whats best!
//DAJO
I hope for some cheaper coolers, now that there can be some price-competition on two "alomost the same" coolers :D
are u sure this is not a joke? blatant rip off otherwise... those asetek guys are sure getting desperate...
having said that, there's probably no point upgrading to it anyway...
Nice they've taken the step to 115/230v :).
This may be the datasheet to the compressor: http://www.danfoss.com/compressors/p...2_Cf53b202.pdf
Wonder if they charged it with R404a or with R134a. Probably R404a.
I want to see how it performs, and how much its gonna cost.
To be honest im not surprised that it looks like that, cos everyone has said that the only way forward for Asetek is to use a larger compressor, and the only possible place to feasible place to put it is under the computer itself.
To my mind Asetek is just doing what everyone said they would be doing what everyone said they would have to do, they still have a different chillcontrol, a different evaporator.
The lian-li case is just cos they can then steal the exclusivity that the prommy has with lian-li cases.
Considering the ruckus Asetek has made over temps recently, they had better stick to the "best temps on the market claim" IMO.
Interesting product, even if the casing does look very similar, I want to see how it actually performs (and the cost)
G
Both Asetek and Nventiv are monitoring these forums and most likely using Xtreme as a source of R&D. When you see the rounded evap head, the 360 degree mounting system, etc, you can see ideas that were first formulated here by our members.
Other changes by both manufacturer's will be coming down the pike for certain.
the casing+concept is identicall.
What makes me sick is all that noise they started about taking nventiv to the court about copyrighting and stuff like that.
THAT IS WHAT MAKES ME SICK COS THEY ARE DOING IT THEMSELVES
hahah to Asetek employees reading XS
you are a bunch of :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:s, get some creativity and stop copying others..
taking Nventiv to court over their own design? good luck... I suggest a mass boycott..
LOL....looks exactly like a MachII. I see they have Bowman and Bakers swivel block. It even says MachII compatible!
Where did he get this? Is it a joke? I mean would even asetek do something this blatant? It sure looks real enough. There's nothing on their site about it. I would think they should be able to sell it dirt cheap as they don't seem to have invested much in R&D! Do they really think they can build a better MachII than nVENTIV?
Well.....if you can't beat them.....copy them I guess.:rolleyes:
if its a joke its a real good one :p
I doubt it is though.Mate of mine posted these pics in another computer forum :)
Sounds to me that you don't want any competition between the companies.. That would hopefully make the units a bit cheaper.Quote:
Originally posted by Ragnarok
hahah to Asetek employees reading XS
you are a bunch of :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:s, get some creativity and stop copying others..
taking Nventiv to court over their own design? good luck... I suggest a mass boycott..
Plagiarism in my dictionary isnt exactly a part of ethical corporate behaviour, I am more than happy to see competition.. but not this sort of crap...
Sounds to me u r employed by Asetek :D
AND THEY SAY IT'S HOT. Well, of course it is, but with proper cooling the INQUIRER team of boffins (me) was able to cool this baby down to sub-zero temperatures in a Vapochill system using Abit's IC7 MAX3 motherboard, Abit 9800XT PRO INQ edition, powered by Asetek and Corsair DDR 550 PC 4400 memory.
We had this machine stable in all tests and Prescott sure showed us some potential.
It doesn't say LightSpeed, like the bold red letters at the right top of the photo...
ps.. Brwmogazos, I'll never forgive you mate, not only I had to visit "INQUIRER" but I've run a search, also, :p:
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Been told its gonna cost arround £450 and also that its official their new product...
Dale, pretty much exactly copied as I mentioned earlier.Quote:
I see they have Bowman and Bakers swivel block
I'll still take bowman's & baker's work over a competitor's any day.
Nice system, hope it's real... and I think Asetek know what they are doing.
BTW: VapoChill's CPU-kit has been 360° rotatable since their first S370 kit.
This looks all too real !!! :rotf:
You have to admit, it looks better than the old vapo case ;) ...
-48,3c would be fine...but what is it doing to a 180w cpu?
is this thing really as good as prom?
yeah it will be r404 why not they know the compressors that they use now 12v can hold up why not just go directly thur danfoss and use the same condensing units and take the lead as ebst stock cooling. :) I wonder if they finally went wiht a better evap also?? Humm
looks nice and I agree who cares who they copied from yes its a bit unmoral, but we as consumers at the end of the day buy whats bets plain and simple so if they used all that we have talked about or have done to redesign there units into a mach II killer well then I guess Im all for it..
we all know however that anytime that chip-con wants to gas r404 and tweak there current mach II who will be on top again. :)
i don't care if it looks like Prommie as long as it's as good or even better. I played with my friend's Vapo XE two days ago and must admit it was a pleasure to install it. The hose can be bent in every direction unlike Prommie, no need for crappy seal string that you can take a few caps/resistors out with it and no condensation issues like water leaking from evaps housing and such.
I hope this Vapo uses some bigger compressor charged with r404a though. If it is then it might be better than nVidia err, i mean nVentiv:)
anyone notice how all of a sudden the poll went from 8-2 to 10-8? LOL....a little bit fishy?
BTW QuadDamage.....the MachII has a new more flexible hose than the MachI did.
where are the pics?
i forgot to vote. So it's 10-9 now:)
the compressor is an r404/r507 unit
http://www.danfoss.com/compressors/p...2_Cf53b202.pdf
looks to be able to hold a -30c load at 200w+
pics are back on again :)
-30 with 200w+ is good.. mach II (404) with 200w+ will hold?
yeah the hose can be bent...you sh*t your pants off though till you get it to the desired shape cos its so hard to bend+u cant be sure for ever you have the evap head 100% horizontal with the cpu heatspreader...Quote:
Originally posted by QuadDamage
i don't care if it looks like Prommie as long as it's as good or even better. I played with my friend's Vapo XE two days ago and must admit it was a pleasure to install it. The hose can be bent in every direction unlike Prommie, no need for crappy seal string that you can take a few caps/resistors out with it and no condensation issues like water leaking from evaps housing and such.
I hope this Vapo uses some bigger compressor charged with r404a though. If it is then it might be better than nVidia err, i mean nVentiv:)
No crappy seal string?
What about ALL THAT INSULATION PASTE that MESSES all over the cpu AND the motherboard AND is a pain to remove with alcohol and a toothbrush and STILL cant take it all off?
No condensation?There is condensation sometimes thus getting some green staff on top of you cpu socket coming from the cpu pins.
The new head looks a lot better i dont know in detail though the installation proceidure of it.
Thats only my personal experience back in the days ihad my Vapo PE though...and no i aint flaming you mate :)...u just have another point of view on my old Vapo
yeah but still there's a lot to desire in quality department. seal string is a joke, screws break easily if you keep swapping mobo's/cpu's especially when there cold, metal screws+plastic threads hmm, evap temps reading etc.Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
anyone notice how all of a sudden the poll went from 8-2 to 10-8? LOL....a little bit fishy?
BTW QuadDamage.....the MachII has a new more flexible hose than the MachI did.
I prefer Mach units of course because i prefer performance but it's not really that hard to improve fittings etc quality.
So it's r404a/r507? sounds nice, me likes!:D
wow... care to steal more ideas "ASSTEK"? I like how you guys play a "fair game" lol...
I don't know but does anyone else seem to think the actions of asetek seem to be that of a dying business?
I hate the hose on my Mach II, it really sucks.. i dont have the guts to bend it.
If u have already regased ur Mach II, then I guess there's not much point upgrading to the new Vapo.. but certainly nicely for first time phase change users..
DIY cascades are still king of the hill... :D
Copied what Mach II concept?Quote:
Originally posted by brwmogazos
Now tell me...do you feel sick once again asetek has copied the mach 2 concept like the did with the LRWW waterblock?
no offense taken. Let's just say you lack experience:) Try XE first and we'll talk again i promise.Quote:
Originally posted by brwmogazos
yeah the hose can be bent...you sh*t your pants off though till you get it to the desired shape cos its so hard to bend+u cant be sure for ever you have the evap head 100% horizontal with the cpu heatspreader...
No crappy seal string?
What about ALL THAT INSULATION PASTE that MESSES all over the cpu AND the motherboard AND is a pain to remove with alcohol and a toothbrush and STILL cant take it all off?
No condensation?There is condensation sometimes thus getting some green staff on top of you cpu socket coming from the cpu pins.
The new head looks a lot better i dont know in detail though the installation proceidure of it.
Thats only my personal experience back in the days ihad my Vapo PE though...and no i aint flaming you mate :)...u just have another point of view on my old Vapo
you don't have to use it if you don't want to. On the other hand when i had my mighty 1700+ prommie cooled running for three months when i rip the system apart for maintenance i discovered my cpu lost a few pins do to corrosion and such. So next time i will definately use that "crappy" Vapo style dialectric grease.Quote:
What about ALL THAT INSULATION PASTE that MESSES all over the cpu AND the motherboard AND is a pain to remove with alcohol and a toothbrush and STILL cant take it all off?
occurance of corrosion with Vapo is much higher than Prom in general, but prom isnt totally fool proof.. U can still get condensation if u dont take extra precautions and double up on seal string..
Personally I will probably never buy a vapo or prommy again, now that I've discovered the wonderful world of DIY phase change..
You have to admit it's pretty funny that the new Vapo looks exactly like a MachII with some extra holes drilled in the side panel. Before they looked nothing alike at all.
It looks to me like they just copied the MachII and regassed it with 404? Not sure about which gas they used?
Competition is good, but lets have some NEW products and NEW ideas.
Before I am accused of being biased.....I would feel the same way if nVENTIV rolled out a "New" product that looked just like a Vapochill. Who wouldn't? :rolleyes:
Heh..didnt say i used the XE ;) only owned a PE and i would like to see in detail the new head :)Quote:
Originally posted by QuadDamage
no offense taken. Let's just say you lack experience:) Try XE first and we'll talk again i promise.
you don't have to use it if you don't want to. On the other hand when i had my mighty 1700+ prommie cooled running for three months when i rip the system apart for maintenance i discovered my cpu lost a few pins do to corrosion and such. So next time i will definately use that "crappy" Vapo style dialectric grease.
Personally i lost a mobo due to my mach 2 condensation...never lost a component all that time i had the PE...double seal etc were always used...this time i got neoprene and pcb laquer used to prevent any more dead boards :p
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Originally posted by TheDude
You have to admit it's pretty funny that the new Vapo looks exactly like a MachII with some extra holes drilled in the side panel. Before they looked nothing alike at all.
It looks to me like they just copied the MachII and regassed it with 404? Not sure about which gas they used?
Competition is good, but lets have some NEW products and NEW ideas.
Before I am accused of being biased.....I would feel the same way if nVENTIV rolled out a "New" product that looked just like a Vapochill. Who wouldn't? :rolleyes:
It's a r404a compressor so most likely they use R404a. The case looks good but it could have been more unlike the prommy :).
Ps. Wouldn't it be quite unnecessary to use a r404 comp and charge it with r134a ?
You either put the unit above or below. If you use a heavier compressor, you put it below, so the whole thing won't be top heavy. If you put it below, there isn't much choice on where the hose comes up to go to the CPU. Does that make it a clone? I don't think so.
Better performance at a lower price.
Good job, Asetek. :toast:
the issue wasnt really the placement of the compressor, but rather the finish makes it look exactly like a prom. Someone might claim the design is 'generic', but obviously Asetek doesnt think so and as we've heard there's rumour of Asetek going to court...
in my mind they could have come up with a lot more creative design to differentiate themselves from Nventiv...
btw Gary, what sort of performance gains are we looking? any guestimates?
...or should LianLi take nVENTIV and asetek court for using their design. I saw costom LianLi-modded Prommys long before nVENTIV/ChipCon came with the kit.
well u r a ****, the nventiv lian li kit is made in Taiwan by Lian li.. and none of the Vapo Li were ever commercial...
Do I need to remind you of the rules against flaming?TheDude
BTW I agree with your post #10;)
Yes it would, but they could have used 507 or any number of others. ;) Kind of a condencending remark don't you think?Quote:
Ps. Wouldn't it be quite unnecessary to use a r404 comp and charge it with r134a ?
I would expect performance similar to an R404A modded prommie. But unlike the prommie, and in light of recent events, I tend to believe their advertised temps. They certainly aren't going to go in for false advertising after all the complaining they did about nVENTIV. :DQuote:
btw Gary, what sort of performance gains are we looking? any guestimates?
well Asetek hasnt exactly sorted out their waterchill fiasco yet... so dont put ur faith in their LCD temps either :D..
but then it's the same deal with motherboard manufacturer as well, the bios reported temps are open to as much manipulation as anything..
Just go by the overclocks, screw the temps!
The Vapo stuff has always felt more "factory" and the Prom more "homebuilt". Before that was OK becasue the Prom was colder, but now if the LE is colder/cheaper/more advanced/cleaner and neater.... it's a win! BTW, though 4300 for a Prescott isn't very impressive, though.
C
I have never even seen a vapo or a prommie, but I know that -48C is very doable with R404A, and -51C with R134a is not doable. nVENTIV says that it represents their evaporating temp, but that isn't doable, either. That's beyond the usual marketing stretch. It's a blatantly false and ridiculous claim.
BTW, does anyone think the wording of the poll is just a tad biased?
well i like the fact that they used r404a compressor. It can be safely recharged with r507 and still run cool. I have to r404a modded prommie's but these compressors do run really hot. I have 120mm Delta screamers installed but i wonder if these units could run 24/7? Delta's help big time but the noise is unbearable for long run hehe.
I'm happy and hopng nVentiv strikes back with some killer r404a/r507 unit. Competition is good folks it's just like Intel vs AMD/nVidia vs ATI:)
If they use an old compressor then it will be noisy - it will be like running your Mach II fans on turbo, all the time. No thanks. 4300mhz isnt all that impressive is it, hell, I can get that now with my stock Mach II.
Looks great to me. So what that the case looks exactly like the Mach II with the oh so expensive [ and what i have heard pain in the ass install } lian-li kit.
If its reasonable priced and you can forget a prommy + lian-li kit install + r404a hassle ... then i would just take that LS and slap that used Vapo PE i just bought a while back to my radeon or just sell it.
So what if they check out what people are looking for and then deliver ? Personally i dont give a crap if they stole the ideas if the product is what people want and had to before mod current products to get there.
We just got the needed competition to the HIGH end... thats allways good.
PTK
Gary,
They changed that temp info on their website. They claim -38c to-40c evaporating temp now.
I'm glad to hear that, Dude. :D
Yep.....me too:thumbsup: :DQuote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
I'm glad to hear that, Dude. :D
they should've tested it on another chip either AMD or P4C. Some Prescotts won't do 4Ghz even LN2 cooled. Of course we'll never know until someone from here puts his hands on it.Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
The Vapo stuff has always felt more "factory" and the Prom more "homebuilt". Before that was OK becasue the Prom was colder, but now if the LE is colder/cheaper/more advanced/cleaner and neater.... it's a win! BTW, though 4300 for a Prescott isn't very impressive, though.
C
Calm down... If that's true, LianLi will of course not bring Asetek to court for making them sell more cases. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Ragnarok
well u r a ****, the nventiv lian li kit is made in Taiwan by Lian li.. and none of the Vapo Li were ever commercial...
Edit: BTW. I never said anything about VapoLi.
Well, I do think what asetek are now doing is wrong. They are copying the Mach II basically despite their "hatred" towards a competitior. The company (asetek) is a shambles. They keep going from one low to another.Quote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
BTW, does anyone think the wording of the poll is just a tad biased?
How do company's become big and sucsessful though?? They follow and do what others have done before them and fix any mistakes in the design's and make it better and sometimes cheaper to steal the market..
This to us as consumers brings better products at cheaper prices..
Vapochill has done good here IMO if they copied one million designs or not.. They didn's steal patents right? ;)
Can you imagine the crying that would be going on if it was the other way around? :D
I voted, and also voted this for most popular thread of the week;) ..., more then likely
yeah true :)Quote:
Can you imagine the crying that would be going on if it was the other way around?
I don't know what I should think about it.....well at the one hand it really looks like a mach II but .......argh....I need more details!!
And paul007 mentioned: Competition is always good for us customers :) (although it's not always fair)
More info is need to convince me one way or the other, but it looks to me that it has a different mounting system, different evap, different compressor, different gas, the only thing that is really the same is the Lian-li kit (and to my mind thats just going after the popularity of those cases, and it means that the new vapochill unit can fit under any case currently sitting on a prommy)
I really hope it has a low price, and gives more competition in the market.
CCW, how are they copying the machII apart from the case design (which Nventiv copied off people who made their own vapo- and prommy-li's)?
I agree that there probably would be a load of whining if it was the other way around, but if it gives me the performance the Gary Lloyd says it could do then i would be happy.
G
OK... here goes nuthin...
1 - It ain't a copy. The AESTHETICS are a copy of the OPTIONAL LianLi Kit for the MkII. The fact that Asetek may have chosen to install a similar kit by default rather than it being an optional extra obviously works in both their's and LianLi's favor in terms of sales as there isn't the extra £100 to add on top of yer unit to make it match yer LianLi...
2 - You CAN'T copyright the guts. It is a refrigeration system with a compressor, evaporator, and heat exchanger. No matter how you did it you wouldn't be able to copyright it as the copyright holder is ultimately the guy that came up with the refrigeration concept in the first place.
Now, I'm not taking sides, but... Asetek should be shot for not coming up with their own AESTHETIC finish to the unit. That's just a blatant cop-out and an attempt to cash on in on another companies hard-earned established and almost traditional model. Altho, really, nVentiv would have benefitted from making the LianLi wrapper a stock option rather than an optional extra long ago. Don't care what legal crap has gone on between nVentiv and Asetek in the past, this is just getting petty and childish from Asetek's end to produce a clone that is clone enough to the point of raising this thread in the first place. They could have easily styled it on the original VapoChill styling or whatever without losing anything in terms of sales etc, and done the decent thing and made the Ali wrapper an optional extra.
I'm not prepared to speak on a performance level until I've owned one of these units, but purely from looking at it I'm not overly impressed with the tactics being employed.
This is my personal opinion, but is currently reflected by the lack of Asetek's products on our site anymore. I'm sure nVentiv has summat up it's sleeve to combat this release so we shall see what they're next move is... probably within the next few weeks...
Comments regarding Baker / Bowman's mounting concept etc are probably all valid, but it's all down to how baker/bowman feel about it. Some could see it as a tribute to them... especially if Asetek gave credit to them for the concept somewhere within the documentation for the unit, but at the end of the day no hold down device can ever be a revolutionary concept worth copyrighting or patenting. Copyrighting a circular peg in a square bracket is like copyrighting the wheel.
The only thing Asetek have done wrong here is there choice on how to present the unit to the public in terms of visual appearance... but for that alone, a line has been crossed in my book.
Looks good to me but the name "LS", or "Lightspeed" doesn't sound right.
They need something that sounds cold...Frostbite, Blizzard, Hailstorm...I dunno, use your imagination...
@Marci: Full ack to your post!
They would have done themselves a favor if they had made the unit look more different than the Mach II.
Btw: The asetek unit seems to be a little bit lowere than the Mach II.
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Originally posted by Marci
OK... here goes nuthin...
1 - It ain't a copy. The AESTHETICS are a copy of the OPTIONAL LianLi Kit for the MkII. The fact that Asetek may have chosen to install a similar kit by default rather than it being an optional extra obviously works in both their's and LianLi's favor in terms of sales as there isn't the extra £100 to add on top of yer unit to make it match yer LianLi...
2 - You CAN'T copyright the guts. It is a refrigeration system with a compressor, evaporator, and heat exchanger. No matter how you did it you wouldn't be able to copyright it as the copyright holder is ultimately the guy that came up with the refrigeration concept in the first place.
Now, I'm not taking sides, but... Asetek should be shot for not coming up with their own AESTHETIC finish to the unit. That's just a blatant cop-out and an attempt to cash on in on another companies hard-earned established and almost traditional model. Altho, really, nVentiv would have benefitted from making the LianLi wrapper a stock option rather than an optional extra long ago. Don't care what legal crap has gone on between nVentiv and Asetek in the past, this is just getting petty and childish from Asetek's end to produce a clone that is clone enough to the point of raising this thread in the first place. They could have easily styled it on the original VapoChill styling or whatever without losing anything in terms of sales etc, and done the decent thing and made the Ali wrapper an optional extra.
I'm not prepared to speak on a performance level until I've owned one of these units, but purely from looking at it I'm not overly impressed with the tactics being employed.
This is my personal opinion, but is currently reflected by the lack of Asetek's products on our site anymore. I'm sure nVentiv has summat up it's sleeve to combat this release so we shall see what they're next move is... probably within the next few weeks...
Comments regarding Baker / Bowman's mounting concept etc are probably all valid, but it's all down to how baker/bowman feel about it. Some could see it as a tribute to them... especially if Asetek gave credit to them for the concept somewhere within the documentation for the unit, but at the end of the day no hold down device can ever be a revolutionary concept worth copyrighting or patenting. Copyrighting a circular peg in a square bracket is like copyrighting the wheel.
The only thing Asetek have done wrong here is there choice on how to present the unit to the public in terms of visual appearance... but for that alone, a line has been crossed in my book.
I have to say Marci has expressed my own feelings on this matter much better than I did....I couldn't agree more with every word he said! Thanks! :thumbsup:
If it's cheaper than a MachII and comes with the aluminum case standard, Im getting one!
The old vapochills sucked though
I thought that one of the main problems with the existing vapochill was that about 50% of people thought that the case looks awful and bulbous, and cited it as a reason for not goin for a vapochill. Therefore going for the aluminium option makes the case appeal to a greater range of people, and the lian-li design can be manufactured relatively easily (with the square plan holes on the front and side) and still give good ventilation to the compressor and rad.
Asetek is tryin to sell its units to as many people as possible, surely if the aluminium design is the most popular then they should make that. Then to fit in with the lian-li cases they have to look the same if they are going to provide sufficient ventilation to the rad etc.
If a company chooses to make a bottom cabinet in a lian-li style then there is only one way it can look from the front.
G
So, they both copied the LianLi styling. So what? What I think is petty is this thread.Quote:
1 - It ain't a copy. The AESTHETICS are a copy of the OPTIONAL LianLi Kit for the MkII. The fact that Asetek may have chosen to install a similar kit by default rather than it being an optional extra obviously works in both their's and LianLi's favor in terms of sales as there isn't the extra £100 to add on top of yer unit to make it match yer LianLi...
What should happen next is Kryotech should jump into the game, too. Then there would be the big 3 instead of the big 2. Competition is a good thing.
And here's a prediction: We will think up amazing mods for the new Vapo. :D
I also think that's petty .
Well Asetek could have done a new custom case for the "Lightspeed" model but I'm sure that would dramatically increase the price, especially if it would be an aluminium case.
Damn, this thread got to big way to fast. I missed parts probly , like is it official that it uses R404? Isnt it a Mach II with R404A? Whats the cost? Looks like it will be this much...
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I have mixed feelings about this. I don't like the fact that the looks of the new vapo coppied the addon kit for the prommie. But, the fact is that alot of us do use lianli cases. There isn't much you can do to differentiate yourself from the prommie addon and still have it look good sitting under your lian li case. So while I don't like the fact that it is copied, I like that it would match my lian li case.
The main thing here I guess is performance and craftmanship. I have yet to own a phase chance system due to their price. But if the performance is good then hopefulyl the price of the machs whill go down.
I would like to see a mach III come out because of this, with stock lian li addon, and charged with the better gas. We'll just have to see what happens in the next few weeks.
Its looks to me that Asetek is trying to win Nventiv users over by stating in the product description that it is compatible with the mach II's holes. Does anyone else find it interesting that they announce this product shortly after the whole temp dispute? Like it was planned, first to make Nventiv's products look bad then to release a new product.
Correct me is im wrong but wouldnt Nventiv have to change their compressor if the switch to a different gas, cos those R404 and R507 modded prommies do run quite hot.
At least this should liven up the market for a bit
One question interests me, if Nventiv change to an R404 compressor because of this, will it merit a thread saying "Mach III . . . Vapochill LS clone"?
Another question is price, and Asetek havent even said a work about this new vapochill on their homepage yet.:(
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The plain fact is if its better than the mach2 and cheaper 99.9% of you that are disgruntled will buy one. Nventiv is robbing people with those prices thay charge. There is not a 400$ differance between a mach1 and 2 and that alone pisses me off.
Mach2 999.00
Lian li kit 160.00
r404 upgrade 200.00
1359.00
New VapoLS 600.00(example) same as all above. Well you do the Math. Price alone will change your mind.
If its cheaper and better I sure will buy one.:toast:
About £450...compared to arround £550 to the Mach 2Quote:
Originally posted by Peen
Damn, this thread got to big way to fast. I missed parts probly , like is it official that it uses R404? Isnt it a Mach II with R404A? Whats the cost? Looks like it will be this much...
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the thing is MachII design is almost optimal if not then pretty close. So actually they did the right thing by "copying" there design. I can't think of any better guts placement... sideways, on top? nah.
But they prolly did better job with evap, housing, hose flexibilty and whats most important r404a compressor which can easily be upgraded to r507 or a r404a/r507 mixture and its compressor will still run cool without extra fans.
But as i said before we have to wait for someone to test this baby before we put our final stamp of approval. Maybe OPP could get one of these for a review.
PERSONNALY! I dont care about the compagnie wars, i just whant something that performs better then the other and have a more affordable price.
I will not buy a Phase Change coze my setup should work better then a Phase Change. But, IMO.
Well... I dont think they are really copying nventiv...firtst of all they used the outer aluminium body based on the fact that most people prefer that type of housing nowadays, and about the cooling design, well its the most basic method which cant really be bettered so why change it !?
I only care about performance and price....these cooling systems are way too high priced to be reasonable...maybe now that the competition is fairer we will se lower prices.
Hopefully.. :rolleyes:
Why do people guess it will be $600?.... explain. Judging by "About £450...compared to arround £550 to the Mach 2"... now I just know how much the mach2 is in the states, makes it look like it will be more than $600.
We definitely need more competitors. A/c units are $100 and mini-fridges... evrything... cheap. MachII price is ludicrous. Though different I know, I could get a sweet ass fridge for 1k. Nevemind the example, Im just talking the principal of the price and the science, not that the fridge is better suited or a better deal for this.
LOL your so far in left field with that comment :)Quote:
I only care about performance and price....these cooling systems are way too high priced to be reasonable...maybe now that the competition is fairer we will se lower prices.
Look at the top of the line AMD/INTEL CPU's ATM and think in your head what they would cost if you where to buy one at the clocks you could on one for these cooling units.. Now take a low end Cpu from AMD/INTEL and overclock it for free to these levels and your not spending money, but in return gaining insentive..
You are guaranteed. 6months ahead of the Cpu market with these cooling solutions and soon if they get good enough 1year..
SO for $700-$800 of the price At the time for the top of the line CPU you can have a cheap CPU that runs 20-40% faster than the expensive top of the line chip and this cooling is something you don't have to change in 6 months when a better faster Cpu comes out..
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Yes sure but I sure that you havnt read the comments by other more experienced users, Quad Damage mentioned that once after running a cpu (Tbred 1700+) for a few months in his prommy, due to condensation there was so much corrosion that some pins fell off !!:confused:
What the hell do you call that...cutomer friendly...even though supposedly professionally made...reatail coolers are very ghetto... most cutoms blocks and housings made by users here are much better @ preventing condensation.
Ask yourself this...do you want to buy a 250 dollar cpu (Eg. 3400 A64) so that in a few months use its no longer useful !
Of course they are way high priced
I think that is a bit entusiastic calculated, now you are comparing a max clocked prom cooled cpu against a stock cpu. If you are unlucky you just gaines 100mhz (thinking on amd) and that against a good air cooled cpu. And btw in on year it could be more advances then just the mhz (COULD!).
cloning of products is something we see on a daily basis ... is a television a television , a dvd player a dvd player ... the tactics employed to sell more products than your competition are totally debatable ... as far as more competition = lower prices i agree ... dont suppose theres any marketing product directors from any of the major japanese "white goods" manufacturers on these forums would like assistance from our gurus to design a excellent off the shelf unit ,then we would see a massive price drop in unit costs :2cents:
Yeah that and, the fact that it's one extreme or the other. I think the poll responses should of been thought about a little more.Quote:
Originally posted by Gary Lloyd
BTW, does anyone think the wording of the poll is just a tad biased?
Reactivator11,
yeah but if i used dialectric grease my cpu would be still in one piece. I wasn't carefull tthat's all. i mentioned that since someone here in this very thread said something about how bad that white stuff is... see if you use non conductive paster on the socket/pins theres no way this would ever happen.
and paul's right. With one of these units you're way ahead of the market. see you can get one of those cheap ass 2500+ mobile chips which are less than $100 and clock it to 2700-2800mhz with ease, now thats what i call bang for the back. so basically you're paying less for cooling than FX-51/P4EE alone without a mobo/memory even. Trust me within a few years 75%+ of o/cers at least will be on Phase Change.
Anybody who calls you biased in this case is off their rocker. What you just said, about a regassed prommie is the first that that came to me.Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
You have to admit it's pretty funny that the new Vapo looks exactly like a MachII with some extra holes drilled in the side panel. Before they looked nothing alike at all.
It looks to me like they just copied the MachII and regassed it with 404? Not sure about which gas they used?
Competition is good, but lets have some NEW products and NEW ideas.
Before I am accused of being biased.....I would feel the same way if nVENTIV rolled out a "New" product that looked just like a Vapochill. Who wouldn't? :rolleyes:
I guess this is competition though, in some ways its nice though, because both products are so close in design the competition will be tigher. I'd say that while this seems pretty amoral of astek, the descion before was that morals weren't an issue... :stick:
light speed... what a good name.. they could have also named it Richard Simmons, for a similar effect. They should seriously consider renaming it to something decent like Deepfreeze1 or just plain deepfreeze.
few days back reading the big thread between the Nventiv and asetek wars about courts and all that staff made me a bit concerned about what i have bought (mach 2)as well as what asetek plans are etc...
I just felt really annoyed by the fact asetek came up with a unit that looks identicall to my mach 2.
I dont know if that was all they could come up with but it looks identicall to me.
So what was all that noise asetek made about nventiv taking them to small courts etc etc...That seemed to be a bit wrong.
+ all their advertisment campaigns including the best watercooling block in the planet the LRWW copied by cathar made me sick...
I have owned a Vapo PE in the past as well as the waterchill which i still got.Had to deal with asetek support twice and it was excellent.I have nothing against asetek and i will still continue buying their staff if they suit my needs.
It just felt totally wrong though in my eyes for them to come up with such a product a few days after the whole story about the wars between them and nVentiv.
If their unit though is a great performer and is a lot cheaper than the competition then we have a clear winner i suppose as soon as this unit is launched and nVentiv doesnt come up with an improved unit.
All I can say is it's about time they produce something to compete directly with the Mach II.
Even better if it if it was cheaper.
I don't care if it's a clone, if it performs as good then yeah, I'll buy it if it's cheaper....
I wanna know when Asetek will offically announce it!
And of course it's time that Asetek comes with a new, competitive product.
As long as its good, I don't really care what it looks like.
a car is a car, 4 wheels, steering wheel... all neccessary for the purpose. What did you all want? A VAPO XXXE with 30 lB compressor on the top of a jumbo sized Asetek case?? LOL...
it is what it is, and it looks like they improved on Nventiv's basic design...
Let the competitive wars begin!!! For what the cooler is, it should be 1/2 the price...
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I am sure Nventiv will hit back with a vegeance.. ummm autocascade Mach III :D
Totally agree with Charlie on that point. If you bought the compressor, evap, drier, condensor & fans, etc, it would be a hell of a lot less money than currently being charged. I'm glad there is going to be competition on many fronts, not only Nventiv and Asetek, but probably OCZ and other companies getting involved also. The more the merrier because product competition produces cheaper prices for the consumers along with better product design.Quote:
For what the cooler is, it should be 1/2 the price...
Sure they will, for about 5 grand! Lol good one though mate. That made me crack up here :DQuote:
I am sure Nventiv will hit back with a vegeance.. ummm autocascade Mach III
Ah yes... the voice of reason... :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by charlie
a car is a car, 4 wheels, steering wheel... all neccessary for the purpose. What did you all want? A VAPO XXXE with 30 lB compressor on the top of a jumbo sized Asetek case?? LOL...
it is what it is, and it looks like they improved on Nventiv's basic design...
Let the competitive wars begin!!! For what the cooler is, it should be 1/2 the price...
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just wishful thinking hehe..Quote:
Originally posted by WxChaser
Sure they will, for about 5 grand! Lol good one though mate. That made me crack up here :D
though I am still dissappointed there still isnt a out of the box phase change GPU cooler from either Asetek and Nventiv...
I think it looks smart but the name is absolute rubbish.
I once heard a very clever comment that went:
"Why try to re-invent the wheel, why not just improve it?"
Well guys I dont really think this unit is going to be cheap at all. Keep in mind the current VapoChill XE prices -- Asetek is not known for big price drops. With the release of the Vapochill XE asetek was still selling the PE's for 550 euros on their webshop! My guess is that this unit is going to sell for at least $1000!
Well I do not really care if they copied nventiv or not. Of course this is a very low thing to do and asetek does not strike me as a copmany with a big imagination. I doubt that the vapochill line was their own idea i remember hearing that the vapochill srtarted out as a unit that danfoss designed for asetek! Will need more proof on that of course but its something to keep in mind..
If this unit will give better performance than a r134 mach1/2 then im going to buy it. Also I like the evap and the mounting system...intresting :)
now just a question when are these going to be released publically and for how much. i emaileda couple of resellers but no responses yet.