Wake up mr chew. wake up.
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Wake up mr chew. wake up.
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Sup!
Sup charged.
I will be playing with three boards and 2 or 3 cpus 2 gpus.
Stay tuned.
Looking forward to all your great info you'll be sharing :)
Wonder if a 3950x will take down a 9980xe.:wave:
:scope::scope::weapon:
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Originally Posted by Hell Hound
Word is the 3950x is delayed why they bin more 8 core chiplets. So I think it might as long as it can be cooled well. My 3900x runs on the warm side lol
define warm lol. I have a 9900k setup to compare things to. its not exactly a cool chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by bignazpwns
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Originally Posted by chew*
Well ac in my house went out. So keep in mind my ambient is about 80. But loads in the upper 70's
I think it might be the offset of the dies. So I'm printing up a new pair of am4 mounts with my SLA printer as well as a water block mount to test and see if I moved that block so the cores are in the center if I can get a few c drop.
But in cpuz's Benchmark single core with pbo I'm getting 537.8 so not bad. And I'm waiting to see how well things get after they start to optimize.
Sweet! I have a 5700xt and X570 on the way to do some comparisons between X470 etc. Look forward, as always, to your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Oh baby...Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Here is the comparison system. I guess its not a bad chip but not a great chip.
For all intended purposes I will be running it stock with some tweaks since while it Ocs decent for a 9900K its a very very hot piece of glass @ 1.4v @5.1 it can exceed 100c on a dark rock pro 4 under full loads.
I run it stock due to this and the fact that in gaming the oc nets little to no gains vs the temps that get out of hand so how I run it is how I test it.
asrock phantom gaming 9
9900K
2 fury x
4x8g 3600 cl15
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&d=1562950447
Hoping for some Asrock x570 taichi with 3900x benchmarks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I learded from you in x370 taichi thread :up:
PS: I ordered Asrock x570 Taichi and 3900x :p
Asus max hero, gigagyte master and taichi all x570 boards i will be working on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nizzen
u have similar chip like me. Mine 9900K can run also up to 4.15 GHz CinebenchR15, not more. Where is your Ryzen?:D
Thats nice to hear.All other reviews are pretty much useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
We need to know, how it clocks the ram, and more importantly, what is exactly the situation with fans on these things.
Do they have passive mode ?
How much rpms they go to ?
Can we manually set fan curves ?
How hot is it ?
User opinions are more on the bad side, but there is nothing definitive.And i wont buy a board if it has delta speed fans with no controls on it :-/ .
Im looking towards taichi personally.
Last i checked. Ohio. Probably closer now. Wed end of day.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
As far as memory goes it clocks good but you lose a 1/1 after 3600 (1800/1800) divider with nb making over 3600 fairly pointless so tighten it up @ 3600 and send it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
Thats a physical hardware design limitation. Way around it but probably not beneficial realworld 24/7.
Ill let you know on the other stuff once in hand.
Yea i heard about that divider thing, i have a question about it, is it fully automatical ,or do we have any control over it ? Maybe some chips will be able to do for example 1900 instead 1800.Just wondering.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
The control is lock it @ 1/1 and clock via bclk. Of course last round with ryzen bclk was tempermental. Good for benching but killed gen 3 pcie e. Not for 24/7 less you only went like 103 ish.Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
You're not the only one waking up chew! :)
AMD is FINALLY, REALLY Back! :clap::eek:
Time to retire the Thuban 1090 methinks!:rofl: :D
Thats a loooooong wait dude :) , but yea, thubans were great, i had fx later but it was a wash ,not really worth the upgrade.Now im on some old intel, but im getting a ryzen 3000 when the dust settles :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by muzz
Im just not that excited about the whole x570 thing , my pc at idle/low load is QUIET. And i want it to stay that way.The way mainboards are reviewed these days is not my cup of tea.I need data, not information on oled screens and led connectors.
Yah. As you probably know. I dig into hardware. Led is the devil and i usually disable them. Solder to back of socket find out voltages and just focus on funtion over form. How much droop. How much llc to almost eliminate droop but not over shoot. Bios function, bugs, workarounds. Overall ease of use and oc. Kudos are given to boards that require the least tinkering for stability for avg users. More tinkering is suggested for the crowd that well like to tweak.Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
And so it begins....again.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&d=1563381709
True Story, good things come to those who wait! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by vario
I thought about jumping back in since the 1090, but they just weren't competing, I wasn't using my desktop very much, didn't really wanna spend the $ on subpar performance, and I don't do intel unless it's my work laptop.
I don't even really NEED to build anything, but I'm finally excited enough for AMD to most likely do it, and gaming is something I miss doing.
Unfortunately this will require CPU/Mobo/Mem/VCard AND OS as well, so not sure how I wanna go about it money wise, I may just get a 470...still TBD.
No LEDS please, geez I see some of the reviews with the flashing leds and I SMH. To each their own, but nah, I'm good!
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Originally Posted by muzz
I got my x470 gaming 7 just for the excessive amount of RGB LED's lol. And it was pretty much spot on max oc as my crosshair vii but pbo for some reason hit higher on it and I could always push memory about 100.hz higher.
I got a X470 Taichi with a 2700X in it now which will eventually be swapped for a 3900X.
Also, have an empty X470 CH7 that is waiting for the 3950X whenever that may be.
Can't wait to see your tips and tweaks! :)
Having Fun yet chew*?
Not yet. have a Mercedes sprinter at shop that needs to get finished before I can play. its being stubborn.
I have this general question to everyone.
How is windows 7/8 compatibility ? x470 chipset and x570 chipset.
I KNOW that there are functioning x570 /ryzen 3000 drivers for these systems, cinebench records before E3 were made on windows 8.1.
Sounds like an ASUS K7M, that thing was a PITA, and the buggiest board I've ever owned.:down: Good Luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I have a few items in 2 carts, but haven't committed...YET! :D
finally, first one is home, tomorrow 3800X :)
https://i.imgur.com/ce6prP8.jpg
quick summary so far.
taichi overvolting cpu go manual voltage. from what I understand its not just them.
2 chip runs hot. I had to ditch stock cooler and install a noctua n12 due to thermal shutdown but its still not enough heatsink.
3 this 3700x is a dud but the 3900x is not if I can tame its temps
4 the asrock other than the vcore issue is doing exactly what I tell it to do so no quirks there so far.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&d=1564291939
My 3700x is a dud as well. Looking forward to the 3900x results Chew*
niceQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
so investigating this chip a little more.
as you can see I'm borderline temp/overheating fixed @ 4.1 @1.25v fyi cb brings chip to about 70c and prime brings the noise @ 96c
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then I checked what volts amd is using 1.3 for 4124
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then I checked single core volts and its a whopping 1.475 for 4349 single core
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the only real win here is I can do 4.1 @ less volts and score better in cb somehow with a fixed lower clock.
So this is full on chew* no F's given no lift shifting and not realistic@1.45v....
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This is most likely where reality lies.
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Well, you just convinced me not to bother with that Little Wraith Cooler, I knew that thing was a joke.
Thanks chew, keep'm coming.
Here's a 2700x at same speeds as the 3700x minus nb/memory. Only reason I have 1 is testing there compatibility on newer boards, seems to be a tad quirky on this taichi.
No clue what these chips are supposed to do as I skipped ryzen refresh due to very little changes but clock/voltage scaling wise its almost identical to the 3700x which is interesting due to 3700x die shrink.
IPC wise its not even a contest however.
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So anyway I ran some tests on the 3900 on air
scaling vs voltage required.
1.3v for 4300 air
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1.4v for 4350 air
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1.45v on water, was a temp issue on air.
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Then as always the more things change the more they stay the same. The only magic in getting good scores at a given clock speed is less throttling.
swapping to water and running at 4.3 @ 1.3v on water netted better results than forcing chip to do 4350 on air and 4400 on water.
Simply put find the chips happy place and cool it better.
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So this is what I tossed together although with the 3900x it is pretty fruitless and most overclockers are out of a job lol.
Its a swiftech pump/block combo and one of the few that's inlet actually would hit the new core layout first paired with a swiftech aio but its not enough radiator it seems, it seemed like a good idea on paper at least lol.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1564361724
The chips smart and can do what we can not do which is overclock and underclock on the fly as well as adaptive voltages.
Basically same situation as my 9900k. pointless to OC it so focus on total system performance tweaks and ship it.
under a severe work load
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&d=1564361748
under a less demanding workload
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PI is slow........
R1 @ 4.0 for LCC
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&d=1564381277
R3 @4300 honestly probably not worth my time to further investigate. a 300 MHz advantage even win 7 tuned cant make up the difference imo.
I guess look at the bright side, its a fairly fast run for r3 and something I just threw together quick.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&d=1564381257
timespy and firestrike on the 9900k with the 5700xt.
I will repeat for the tests on the amd chips but first I'm actually going to get seat time in on apex just to see how it compares to the fury x I've been using and get some real world time in on the card.
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For all those runs try to not to focus on total score but more so on the game tests as I noticed a trend with the 5700 as well.
Oddly enough the 9900k with the 4.7 all core clock and lower res of these benches could not seem to differentiate itself in the game tests and pull ahead.
I'm sure that's not the case always but if and when it can it will most likely be minimal at best. considering the 3700x is a lot cheaper.......enough said.
Now as I said I went and gamed with the 5700xt on the 9900k system as benchmarking doesn't always catch things.
In apex I was hitting a solid 144 in fact everything went smooth except yep always and exception.....I was using overlay to monitor if it was throttling, it did not however 3 hours in the overlay artifacted its overlay window away.
The game itself however continued to play fine. I'm sure that's a driver bug of some sort.
Other observations were well it totally kicked my fury x's azz and maybe placebo effect but I was able to hit targets a lot easier.
3900x 5700
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3700x 5700
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I'll give the 9900k a run with the 5700 tomorrow after work and game on that card for a bit as well.
So far the trends showing the 3700x edging out the 3900x in the frames ever so slightly like the extra cores are hanging it up just a tad.
9900k 5700
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...7&d=1564525004
Now we start to see the 9900K slightly edge out in firestrike game tests where I would have expected it to. possibly due to less graphics power = cpu bottleneck.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&d=1564525017
What RAM is that you're running and at what volts?
Just some old gskill c15 3600 sku bdie i used on r1 reviews. 1.45v
more importantly its not just something tossed together and bench only stable.
My job is not to show unrealistic benchmark results around this time, I'm solely focusing on real world avg joe end user.
I've actually already deviated from that by slapping water cooling on that's not quite aio but considering the situation unless the temps are being reported wrong.....I cant see anyone taming these cpus without an extremely expensive water setup and anyone who is seeing 70c in CB IS NOT STABLE IN PRIME as that's worth 20C + difference and they will thermal shutdown. crash is a crash..
Only way not to thermal shutdown is let AMD do what they seem to do exceedingly well constant variable voltage and overclocking. The cooler you can run the chip the higher it will oc itself anyway.
I was supposed to be doing stock cooler and maybe an aio.....that ships already sailed. I am in a heatwave right now but not everyone has A/C and everyone has summer so realism is in full effect.
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Good to see you back Brian, my 3700X is a dud and my 3900X is really good.
I am benching on the Hero with the 3900X on air, 4.2Ghz 1.4v 24/7 on stock heatsink. I will update my thread with modified air results.
It will bench fine Charles. It wont prime fine. Running a custom prime test will either crash because not enough volts or enough volts but excessive heat.
Good measure I have seen so far is if you hit 70c in some back to back CB runs your not going to survive prime stability.
IMO no ones buying the 12 core 3900x to game, they are buying it to put it to work thus workload testing it gets...
prime passes stock so if it can't manually oced it is what it is.
If you sat there and maintained say a 40c temp with some ln2 and an evap the cpu would more than likely exceed your ( 1.4v 4.2 OC ) as from what I can see amd's variable auto OC is solely temp based.
The best results your going to get is a really high end water setup with an updated block that hits the off center core.
fwiw I thought dealing with TR full load temps was a chore but this one is a bit more challenging.
Also fwiw in some of the easier tests in prime the 3900x is hitting 60c and running over 4.2 on its own making a fixed 4.2 OC rather pointless. drop them temps to 50c and it starts running 4.4+
issue of Pi is WIndows10. Win10 is very lazzy compared win7 on Ryzens Superpi results. U can check it with older Ryzen on new OS Win10 :).
Seesm, in windows 7 are Pinnacle and Matisse clock to clock very similar in SUperpi, maybe new Ryzen is slightly better (but not much). FOr Win7+Matisse I know only use X470 board. I saw also few tips to get x570 for Win7. But...
here you go. simple proof. take a dud strap radiator to AC now its not a dud and that's amds auto ocing. simply by lowering load temps to 60c in cb.
the problem is 23C ambients are not realistic......and probably need 10c to get it into the sub 50c loaded range.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&d=1564598007
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No magic here just temp drop and now its not a dud. all I'm doing is copying the voltage I see AMD using for peak xfr and running the peak xfr voltage and speed with lower temps.
Willing to hedge bets I get 4.5-4.6 out of the 3900x now under same conditions.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1564600957
Here's how it works.
your cool cpu you run single core log voltage and peak xfr. the below is just an example. The 4474 run had 4474-4523 single core peak xfr @1.50v I shot for the lower for the all core as it seemed to be more guaranteed.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&d=1564605823
you apply what your learned account for droop and that is probably your max bench speed possible at X voltage at your current temps.
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prime load temps with AC blasting through radiator and that's with cpu throttling back, can't imagine why nobody else is showing actual stability tests......I'd love to see those stock cooler24/7 "stable" prime 95 results ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&d=1564609609
I thought I saw someone mention a 1.70 Bios for that board chew*, I could be wrong.
yah I flashed it, no change in temps not expecting a difference either. Lot of users claiming 85-95c real load temps ( avx512 etc ).
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&d=1564724198
RM shows temps climb up to 85* just running R20 on the stock cooler ~4200 with my 3600.
Definitely not up to long term smashing, I can't imagine that cooler on the 3900X! :rofl:
Yep and the issue is @ 95c it will thermal shutdown making it quite the pain to "stability" test properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by muzz
Theres really only 3 options on the 3900x. Spend bookoo money on high end water. Toss a cheap aio on the ac like I did or settle for stock which will thermal throttle itself.
The 3600-3700x should be able to be kept in check on a dark rock pro 4 or equivalent noctua etc.
My n12 did a halfway decent job of cooling the 3700x in the summer heat no ac on so the ones I'm suggesting should offer overhead for overclocking.
Ive got some timings worked out on asrock if you want to try them muzz. Still dialing it in tighter but I have settings for 14-14-14 @ 3600 stable prime 95 custom with max ram allocated. your welcome to try. currently testing 14-13-13.
Been looking at the DR Pro4 and the NH 14/15(better mounting from what I hear), those things are gigantic, take up >1/3 of the board, and make my fairly Large Scythe Mugen2 look like a shrimp. I am a bit concerned that the 14/15 will hit my VCard, I've seen pics where it's right against it, but I'm not sure how far away my slot is.
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Originally Posted by muzz
Theres a dark rock pro 4 on a x299. Only thing thats annoying is memory but still acessible.
Looks better, and isn't as wide as the D15. It holds it's own in temps as well.
Most likely what I am going to get, wish I just ordered it when I got everything else.
here you go muzz asrock mem settings ;). 1.452 vddr 1.050 soc LLC 1. its prime hci and just about everything you can overkill test stable......working on faster now.Quote:
Originally Posted by muzz
bank group settings are hidden in cpu features on asrock as well as some of the other options.
Power down disabled
Gear down enabled
Bgs disabled
Bgs alt disabled
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&d=1564800250
now we are getting somewhere. nothing like seeing a little bit of time and effort pay off.
back to stability testing for this new tune.
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Thanks for the settings, there are a bunch of settings now that I never even saw before :rofl: , so much learning to do( whatever happened to 5-2-2-2 LOL- JK, I was around well after that). I haven't even had time to really mess with it, I just got the ram to run at it's rated speed, and haven't been back in there since, it's been running for a couple days on that boot.
I setup a new steam account, and downloaded some game demos to see how it does in games, and it seems fine at 1080P on my 60" Plasma.
I see 1.70 is much better, 20 seconds due to better timings. Sweet! :up:
Those c14 3200 you bought are most likely bdie. My 3200 c14 set did same as these 3600 c15 so you can probably pull 3600 fine.
The second runs trfc was just a little to hot��. It dropped threads immediately in prime. I dialed it back an little.
AFAIK they are B, I tried to verify that B4 I ordered them, so I'm assuming 3600 shouldn't be much of a problem. I just wanted to do some other stuff on the kit before I started messing too much with it. I'm gonna be away from it this week, so I needed to make sure the VCard was OK in case I had to send it back, and it's been fine gaming, so I think we're good.
I need a new KB though, my K800 was giving me grief, so it didn't make it....:D
Using a PS2 mechanical right now, and it's horrible!
Hi chew*, good to see you posting man :)
TRRDs from 4 to 5 (and TFAW 25) is the key for getting over 3800 1:1 for me. Im using dual rank and the controller cant go stable over 3800mhz in dual channel+dual rank on either of my cpus without ruining efficiency (by slackening tertiarys too much). 3866 gets to about 600% HCI. If you can pull another 66mhz after TRRDs to 5 (dont forget the TFAW change too) then youre back in the black. I got 266mhz more at the same timings...mostly down to dual rank I expect but it should translate to single somewhat.
I gave it one shot 1/1 @ 3800 and it f9'd me. Right now I am seeing how tight we can go realistic volts( 1.45)/stability. Something in the 14-13-13 tune is not happy. Thought it was trfc i had it pulled in to 248 backed off to 312 then previously known good 345. Still dropping a thread. I think precharge 13 may be a tad to much for these sticks. I beat them up pretty bad on ln2 getting fast 32m times on Ryzen 1.
From what i understand dr is more effecient now on R3 due to way it acesses memory but my DR sticks went with the TR rig to michigan.
Edit: nope i have to pull back to 16-16-16 to boot 3800 or slam voltage into sticks. Neither of which i feel is beneficial for the 24/7 average joe crowd.
its not that I can't do it. timings are fine but needs 1.55vddr and for what i'm supposed to be working on I don't think those kind of voltages are going to fly with the powers that be and i'm ignoring unlinked as I am most likely dealing with the gamer crowd and video stutter is not going to be tolerated.
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Did you intentionally set VDDP to 1.1? That should stay at or near 0.9v from what I understand and anything 1v or above can be worse unless you bring the cold. VDDG @ 1.1 seems a little high too, though I only have two cpus to compare against (both mine like vSOC @ 1.1v fixed with vDDG at or just under 1v). Also note that VDDG hard max is 40mv less than vSOC. If you have vDDG set higher than vSOC it will only run up to its maximum possible, in your case 1.05v-40mv=1.01v. I'm guessing they're probably auto voltage settings as the vDDP and vDDG at 1.1v thing is classic auto behaviour.
Sample 1 is an MSI B450i R5 3600 - 3866mhz 15-15-16-15-1T needs 1.0875vSOC, 0.9vDDP, 0.985vDDG and 1.41vDDR.
Sample 2 is a GB X570i R7 3800x - 3832mhz (3800 @ 101bclk) 16-16-16-16-1T needs 1.1vSOC, 0.9vDDP, 1.0vDDG and 1.4vDDR.
MSI board clocks noticeably better than the GB board, all 4 sticks are from my best 4 x 16gb B-Die set from x99 (3000mhz c12 1.32vddr 24/7 stable for years). I expected them to do much better than this to be honest.
Anyway, apart from secondary voltages and trrdS 5 + TFAW 25 I'm doing nothing special to get over 3600mhz solid. Maybe that's of some help? :)
honestly vddp was supposed to be @.92 and reported .92 in bios and in hardware monitors.
I had all the lower page voltages set. now I'm trying top voltages instead.
seems to me asrocks redundancy is getting the best of them. I requested they remove redundancy in past. they actuall have 2 pages for mem timings as well that will conflict.
I usually don't use this page of voltages as the larger array of voltages and llc are elsewhere.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&d=1564970377
this is what I usually use but seems to not be accurate in ryzen master.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...3&d=1564970394
none of that seems to matter and vddr is 1.45 so even higher, prime tells the story in about 10 seconds. dropped threads = imc not happy,
See what happens when i hit the asus board and GB board next. Last round on x370s the taichi was second most effecient giga was fastest asus and msi were slow in 32m
Taichi was not the most stellar @ high mem clocks but its effeciency made up for it.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&d=1564972302
ok got the taichi sorted somewhat. have to see what I can pull back in. I think cke 1 was to hot a timing for it. Any attempt at 1833 divider 1/1 = post code 07. bclk is fairly broken currently so didn't bother with that.
Most notable of all though..... after probably 8 hours 95C loaded on a AC cooled radiator. lol wtf? maybe ill swap blocks, 2 pumps might be heating up loop to much......
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&d=1565012417
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&d=1565012442
Doubling up on settings is not just as Asrock thing, theres a ton of duplicated settings in the Gigabyte x570 bios too, including a full duplicate of memory timings. That oc page does look a mess though.
Theyre all weird in their own ways, my MSI B450i greys out vddp and vddg unless you manually set infinity fabric. Gigabyte dont put vddg on the tweaker page at all, instead its in both the XFR and AMD overclocking sections in bios, and you need to set it in BOTH places for it to work. If either are on auto they override. Also certain manual fclk settings automatically set vDDG to 1100mv fixed in the XFR section and enable SOC OC mode. AMD overclocking section option remains at auto at all times. Oh and DDR power down mode is the same, two places, needs setting in both.
All these 3000 compatible bioses remind me of the kind of stuff I used to get when I was beta testing for Foxconn, functional for the most part but messy and unoptimised.
bios was identical on x370 and x399 redundant up the wazoo. boards pulling same antics to, I referenced my x399 thread on OC.net and sure enough that board also hated cke 1
Pictured next to an nh-u12s just to fathom the size.
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&d=1565060682
Facebook score. Was cheap and bnib but my u12s was missing one pair of brackets i need to use it so ordering an am4 mounting kit.
Im sure it cools well but i dont get all the hype behind this thing. Its about as visually appealing as peanut poop.
I did not feel like dealing with drp4 mounting for multiple board and cpu swaps and since i already have drp4 and i like variety lets see what it can do vs ryzen 3000.
well I have sucked in what could be. it is what it is. feel free to try the settings out on asrock boards. It's certainly stable but not quite sure its as fast as 14 3600 tune.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&d=1565112313
TCKE 2 does indeed help - well found! This seems to be one of those hard to find borderline timings where you do several hundred percent in memtest then have a bunch of errors pop up within seconds. TRTP is another, I often find I can boot at TRTP 8, but at some point itll hard reset on me, then wont post until cmos is cleared. TRTP 12 fixed that (I see you already have it set chew*, just posting for anyone else who may read :)).
You can try TRCDw 8 as well (assuming B-Die), though I dont think youll get that prime stable. My 3800x doesnt benefit much due to the single channel write speed, I suspect itll be harder to run but show more benefit on the 3900x (and 3950x).
Thx. Yah im usually good with timings. Studied there relationships with other timings for a long time. I just need nudging to not be lazy. Knowing 3800 nb was possible was the nudge I needed to not be lazy. Thx pilsy.
Beginning to wonder if i have a faulty X570i. With vdimm set to 1.4 in bios it was hitting 1.475v according to software in hci memtest last night. Runs great for hours then spews errors. Timings seem to make no difference, it just eventually craps out at anything above 3600mhz. Swap the same cpu and memory kit in the B450i and I get 3733mhz easy and 3800mhz with some tweaking, and all at 1.42vdimm and tighter timings as well. Its frustrating me badly.
Try dropping cke to 9 see if it makes a diff. In my notes gigabyte x370 disliked tight cke as well.
Ill plug x570 master in as soon as i get the mounts and sort out real world air clocks on taichi and these cpus.
Ill try that next, currently testing gear down enabled with 1T. MSI gets no benefit at all from that so I run straight 1T. Figured I may as well test if gigabyte have tuned for 1.5T...you never know :)
Interesting results...
3666mhz @ xmp 1T GDM disabled tried voltages all the way up to 1.47 vdimm, 1.12 vSOC, 1.05 vDDG. The furthest I got through HCI memtest was around 300%.
3733mhz @ xmp 1T GDM Enabled has run overnight to 650% or so at 1.28 vdimm, 1.05 vSOC and 0.985v vDDG. Going to leave it running while Im at work, but it looks and feels stable, much more so than it has in the past.
That compares to 3800mhz @ 16/16/16/16/32/48/288/1T @ 1.41 vdimm, 1.1 vSOC and 0.985v vDDG which passed 1000% HCI memtest on the B450i. Same memory sticks and cpu.
Massive difference between boards!
Reaches 1200% HCI...does stupid celebration dance then restarts pc. No post, cmos resets itself. Manually set exact same settings again...boots right up. Love it.
Decided the 1200% counts and moved up, 3800mhz now.
Try running Infinity Fabric above mem clock. Various configs between 3000mhz and 3466mhz with super tight timings and IF at 1900mhz are faster than any config I can run at 3600mhz+ for my sticks (B Die dual rank) and needs less SOC voltage.
Played a bit of PUBG last night after hitting 300% in HCI. Did about 2 hours gaming, then quit and sat in discord for a couple mins afterwards. Suddenly...screen went black. Turns out adding 10mv vddr seems to have fixed it. Went back to my 3733mhz profile and did a few restarts until I hit a post failure again. Kept adding vddr and doing loads of restarts until I got no more post failures, ended up adding 30mv. This is on an HCI 1200% passed profile. At this point I'm worried enough theres something funky with my boards vdimm power plane that Im going to email gigabyte support and ask if it should overvolt like it does.
Anyway, 3800mhz is HCI stable now but needs a lot of vdimm. 1933 Infinity Fabric ratio wont post so I cant really go higher. It feels like a bios limitation, but I can only do 101 bclk anyway due to nvme so thats my limit.
That may be because in the white papers on r1 showed that after 3200 memory it hit a hidden divider and we found bclk on a lower divider to exceed 3200 was much faster.
The problem was gen 1 and losing devices like on asrock we lost wifi. On cold the imc sucked so bad that I started pre tuning even lower and tighter so that when I went cold my tunes actually worked.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1565551128
I was told that similar happens after 3600 memory divider which is why I was tuning for 3600 and not higher.
New agesa/bios released for taichi so scrapped all settings starting over fresh.
I'm on discord and apex a lot, feel free to find me under chewonth1s on origin chewonthis on steam
Good call, yeah theres dividers. Theyre pretty easy to find as it turns out...super pi will show a small performance drop after 2933, after 3200, after 3466 and after 3733 with all memory timings and fabric fixed. Im guessing theyre every 266mhz uclk throughout the range focused on JEDEC speeds, so at 1866, 2133, 2400, 2666, 2833 and so on, but I only tested the range above. My sticks arent optimal as I hit best latency at the mid point between dividers, I may have to pick up some 8gb sticks to mess with (I like the look of those C18 4500mhz 8pack/team group sticks). Waiting to hear back from a Gigabyte rep about the vddr overvolt still...
Forgot to add you on steam last night, will try and remember when i get home tonight :)
Noctua NH-D15 is teh best yo....
Well the best still is not good enough.
Doing decent but clocks are dropping to 4025 temps are 95c in 4k,8k 12k prime type loads @ stock....
Fyi its definitely not a fluke. The air coming out of the noctua is extremely warm in an A/C room around 70f
Charles you said 4.2 stable in what type of load on stock cooler?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&d=1565657968
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...3&d=1565678544
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&d=1565678561
Btw forgot to mention pilsy. I double checked my dual rank timings on x399. I was able to get really agressive with subs by using 2T CR and bank group swap enabled. That was with 4x16g b die c15 3466 bin.
Look at that beast pushing on the 5700XT! :D
Sorry Ive gone quiet...packed the board up today to send it back. Definitely have a vddr fault, it gets harder and harder to get it to post the higher I go over 1.42v. Its really hard to find stock as well, I have all the luck :(
I have been quiet due to testing for the 24/7 cruncher guys. Sysyems been running 4 1/2 days in prime on air. Clocks range from 4025-4175 load dependant in prime custom. 4k,8k,12k etc brings the lower clocks. Crunching is probably not as harsh so may see the higher end of clock speeds. Ill post it when its done.
Muzz yes its definitely close to the 5700xt but theres space for less than a pinky finger but its not touching. For card removal fans must be removed. Cant get at release. I prefer drp4 over this for set it and forget it and visual appeal and fitment. This however is better for testing as i have multiple board base mounts. I can do quick board swaps much faste since i have a second base mount already installed on another board.
It looks like the IO die counts towards the power budget when allowing the cpu to boost at stock or with PBO. My 3800x will actually boost itself beyond 4500mhz on multiple cores (2 cores average over 4500mhz during an R20 run) with PBO disabled when running really low memory speeds and voltages. Noticed while testing the vddr fault on my board, voltage config was 1.02v SOC, 0.87vDDG, 1.15vDDR, CPU volts at normal and settings were 2400mhz DDR / 1600mhz IF / CPU multi on Auto, PBO disabled.
Temps are lower too. I really didnt expect the IO die to make such a massive difference but it does. I wonder whether this would get overall better performance due to the cpu boosting higher or whether this is only really observable under really heavy multi threaded loads (in which case a rendering setup may perform better whereas a gaming setup running light multicore loads may perform worse). A 3800mhz memory setup costs around 180mhz average cpu speed if allowing stock boost behaviour as the IO die uses around 20% of your power budget on a 3800x when running prime95 (no AVX). Depending on the setups your cruncher guys run this may need testing. I havent done that for years, but back in my SETI days cpu speed was always king.
PBO acts differently when running high memory clocks too. If you disable PBO you will see higher average clocks on your best cores (as per Ryzen Master) but lower clocks on the rest. PBO enabled raises the lower clocked cores but significantly reduces clock averages on the best cores.
Could be per board/bios, test setup was the Gigabyte X570 ITX on beta bios F4L.
Tough break on the duff board chew, you have 2 others to beatup now though! :D
I got the DRP4 Saturday, I'm going to come out and say I should have ripped the board out of the case to install it :rolleyes:...what a PITA, but I got it in.....I did a couple of quick R20 runs with the case still open, and it went up to a bit over 70*, I still need to test it with the case closed, but I didn't close it until last night(busy, and played some SOTTR).
There is very little space between the HSF and the RX590, I don't believe a D14, never mind a 15(No Chance), would fit in there with the card in the upper PCIE slot, as it's possibly 1/8".
Very Quiet. :up:
Speaking of TRTP- I'm not sure Dumos crazy 75K 4800 A64 score is really stable, but his TRTP was 6 on that run according to that memtester grab! :eek:
Now that I have the DRP4 installed, I can screw around with working on PiLsY's Manual clocking stuff, it's been running with PBO only so far.
I'm sure what dumo is showing is no where near realistic but that's extreme ocing.
this however is self explanatory.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&d=1566499664
I've been on the road for the last 2 days, so hopefully I get some time to mess around tomorrow/through the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Dumo was running 1.99v on his ram with a fan :up:
It's fun to see what is capable, even if just a quick grab.
When you gonna start on the other 2 boards, and which 1 1st?
You have to Disable Gear Down Mode to get 3600 C15? Or is that only for Ryzen 2? Just wondering if it's a RAM thing, a 2000 Series/X470 thing and if 3000/X570 fixed it or just the chip, etc?
Its a ryzen thing, applies to all generations. Note its only if you want to run flat timings with an odd cas latency (13-13-13-13, 15-15-15-15 etc). You dont need to run GDM enabled to use 15-16-16-16 for example.
Interesting development with my Gigabyte board, finally got a dialogue with Gigabyte support and they have confirmed that their board overvolts too, though not as badly as mine. The solution is to manually set vTT, once you have it set manually it automatically adjusts itself upwards as you increase vDDR. The issue seems to be that its auto value is 1/2 bios set value and not 1/2 measured value, so any voltage drift on vDDR puts vTT out of whack. The only annoyance is that the measured value is not 100% correct, its a little on the high side. If you have the same board as me (Aorus X570 ITX) I recommend manually setting the vTT to half your reported value in bios, this will get you close enough to run most overclocks stable. To get to the very limit you'll need to slowly tweak this down from 1/2 your bios reported value. It will only be slightly out, vTT is pretty sensitive though so if you're almost stable but not quite its worth getting it spot on to see if it stabilises you. I only need to get it perfect to run 1:1 3800mhz, otherwise 1/2 bios reported value is fine.
For reference my board overvolts 50mv idle and 65 to 75mv load for vDDR. Setting 1.45v or higher without manually matching vTT gives a no post and auto cmos clear at SPD/2133mhz memory straight from loading optimised defaults.
Ok, thanks on that. Always forget about it and drives me crazy when trying to get my GSkill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ to run properly. Of course the XMP profile is borked on them, but manual config is touchy on these to get rated 3600C15 with my 2700X on X470 Taichi. Always seem to forget some setting somewhere lol
This is superb info mate, have that same board, also overvolts Vdimm. I did find some annoyance related to the VSOC, sometimes undervolting to 0.9v from 1.1v if set at Normal/Auto or undervolting with the offset mode. Problem is that VDDG remains in a fixed value of 0.95v.Quote:
Originally Posted by PiLsY
The only thing edited to run flat out xmp is trfc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluestang
132/192/345. That was almost a plug and play prime 95 run.
Glad that helped, its driven me bloody mad for weeks. Especially as Gigabyte take nearly a week to reply each time its the longest short conversation I've ever had!Quote:
Originally Posted by monza1412
To sort out your weird fixed voltages...as you increase memory multiplier the AMD AGESA code automatically changes some settings in the background, you'll find them set to "Manual" under the Settings > CBS section in bios. This is the part that controls AMDs stock boosting features. You can't change these back to Auto when over 3600mhz, itll just switch them back again when you restart, so you're forced to set your manual voltages here.
This is off the top of my head, but should get you pointed in the right direction. In the Tweaking menu I set the memory multiplier and subtimings, vDDR and vTT and vSOC to my values then change every other voltage in here to "Normal" (NOT Auto!!!). Now go exploring the bios settings page and youll find everything you need under the CBS and AMD overclocking menus. AMD Overclocking is supposed to be the master setting, but I set everything in CBS to match the AMD overclocking section anyway. The CBS menu is for controlling stuff while using PBO and staying within AMD spec limits so you cant go over 140A EDC for example. The AMD overclocking menu is where all the full overrides are. I'll screenshot everything in bios and post some sort of guide in the next few days (RL work permitting). This won't be feature complete by any stretch, I've been blue team for the last 15 years and I'm still learning Red stuff but i'll expand it as I go.
I do wonder if all the X570 Gigabyte boards overvolt vDDR like this. If they've taken the lazy route here maybe they have elsewhere. I did ask the question if they can update the Auto vTT algorithm to set 1/2 reported value instead of expected, but I wont find that out for another 3 to 5 days lol.
Also worth mentioning - "Last Known Good Settings" when recovering from a bad boot does not restore any setting behind an "Accept" wall but manually saved bios profiles do, so make sure you save a profile as you work and restore that profile if you get a cmos reset. Last known good is no good at all. This is the same on my MSI B450 and the Gigabyte X570, so its safe to assume this is an AMD thing in general.
Thanks for your input, looking forward for your guide.Quote:
Originally Posted by PiLsY
About the vdimm issue, this was posted by the Gigabyte Rep in another forum regarding to the Master board, I also saw overvolts in the Elite..
https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-a...l#post28078624Quote:
RAM Voltage
I had R&D look into this - actually any software reading of a voltage (even bios) can be off from the actual voltage at the cpu. It's an approximation. So we did 3 tests. What does bios say, what do the voltage points on the x570 master say, and what can we read from the cpu socket.
Set ram to 1.35 (xmp or manual, same result)
Save, exit, reboot.
Bios said 1.38
Voltage points said 1.37
Cpu socket said 1.364
So there does seem to be a 9mV "overshoot" in this test but to be frank that's really not a big issue. I get that we all want to set x and see x, dead on, no variance, just rock steady exactly what we put... But that's not really how voltage works. The number we put in bios actually goes through a large equation that also affects other voltages. It's all interdependent.
You would see the same thing with vcore. Software, voltage readout points, and testing the cpu socket will all be slightly different and rarely exactly what you typed in bios.
This is also a function of our philosophy when it comes to bios, temperatures, etc. We show you the value without any trickery. The same way we put vrm temperature probes smack in the middle. We could offset the probe a few mm and lower the temp, but what's the point? To what end? The idea behind readouts is to give you the most accurate information so you can tweak, optimize, or just check how the system is running. We are doing the same with voltage. We could set an offset to "show" 1.35v, even if the cpu is getting 1.364, but we don't. We are looking into ways to display a closer approximation of the voltage, ie 1.364 just like the cpu socket, but we won't do this through a magic hidden offset.
If you are dead set on getting as close to exact as you set you could try going 0.01 lower than you want, but even that is an approximation and will vary based on board, Psu, and cpu. The only true way to dial in an exact value would be to probe the cpu socket and test various settings until you hit the exact voltage you want.
Tl;Dr it should be fine. If you want to see a lower voltage then lower the input (~10mV) and see if its stable.
P. S. Ryzen master appears to just be reading the register (ie setting) from bios. Not what the voltage sensor says. The sensor is doing its job, but impedance affects reading vs reality.
Don't know if the Auto vTT algorithm would be the same in those models since I didn't see many people there have tried beyond 3800mhz or if the vdimm overvoltage will be worse passing 1.45v. I will be looking forward for chew analisis with the giga board, maybe he can also replicate that issue.