Plextor debuts this month with Marvel 9187 and Toshiba Toggle nand 19nm.
http://www.expreview.com/20579.html
http://oi45.tinypic.com/21ora84.jpg
prices in line with M3P
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Plextor debuts this month with Marvel 9187 and Toshiba Toggle nand 19nm.
http://www.expreview.com/20579.html
http://oi45.tinypic.com/21ora84.jpg
prices in line with M3P
Looking forward to reviews!
Looks like I've already got a few SSDs based on the new Marvell 9187 controller.
(should be very interesting to see how Plextor handles "storage mode" vs the V4)
Thank you! Can you give more info on the speculated prices ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
EDIT : 1099 CNY = 140€ Is that price correct ?
I prefer Plextor "good old style": writes always on top in any fill condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
I'm happy with my Corsair P. Pro 128GB, but I want an 256GB (or two :)
I hope for 5 years warranty for M5 Pro, also.
Vat excluded :(Quote:
Originally Posted by felix_w
128 GB = 140 euro
256 GB = 294 euro
512GB = 639 euro
But I think prices will go in line with M3 Pro, in any case, high end.
Hopefully there is no "storage mode". That whole thing is a gimmick I can do without.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvil
+1...With any luck the whole perf/storage thing is a product of the Indilinx fw. Fingers crossed.
Now that SF has fixed trim, I can't wait to see all the review updates of the various SF toggle drives that have been without trim since the toggle required the trimless SF 5 Series base fw...they couldn't just stick with the earlier 3 series fw with trim like Ocz and others did. Some vendors knew that series 5 trim was broke but the released it anyway cuz it yielded a performance bump over the old base fw. Some vendors are gonna push out the initial fixed FW (5.0.3) asap but a lot will prolly wait for 5.0.4 which is said to be in testing.
Here's a great read about it...
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/48...ted/index.html
M5P will start selling.
+ 7mm height
+ 5years warranty
distributor still not uploaded yet.
http://www.links.co.jp/item/px-128m5p/
http://www.links.co.jp/item/px-256m5p/
http://www.links.co.jp/item/px-512m5p/
Price, 11,980JPY 21,980JPY and 37,980JPY.
CrystalDiskMark3 score has arrived.
http://www.gdm.or.jp/pressrelease/201208/03_07.html
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and EXPreview inside/CDM3/PCMark/FastCopy/IOMeter etc...
http://www.expreview.com/20640-all.html
Really impressive.
Anyone knows if new Toshiba toggle ddr 19nm are 3000 cycle writes?
Don't know about P/E , but this is excellent :
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WTF :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:es! Stop talking about this until the reviews come out. No one should ever break an NDA:)
Mine gets here Monday but there is a true NDA in place for Tuesday.
fyp ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by highendtoys
Are you mad ? There is no NDA here in Japan and it is already selling in Japan, I just got a PX-256M5P for 21,980 yen a couple of hours ago for my new rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
http://www.gdm.or.jp/image/item/201208/M5P_542x404.jpg
http://www.gdm.or.jp/image/item/201208/M5P_603x450a.jpg
I'm expecting ASU's score ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
any power consumption figure? backside of the drive says 1.5A@5V, i find it rather high..
Looks like we finally get to see if the perf/stor modes are an 'Indilinx Infusion'. Also curious as to the controller clock speeds as well to see if Ocz is the only one to overclock it. Glad to see 19nm toggle out...I read a few months ago that the 20nm IMFT would be the first out of the gate and that Tosh was a bit behind Intel. Looks like a little disinformation was goin on. SF based 19nm drives shouldn't be far off now that the Series 5 fw is fixed...5 is required to run the 19nm toggle. Can't wait for the all the 19nm reviews to start rolling in!
When will this drive available in the U.S ?
I almost bought the M3P at newegg .
Plextor is such a strange company. They don't even officially list the M5P on their Asia website yet, despite the fact that they are already selling M5Ps in Japan:Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
http://www.goplextor.com/asia/index.php/ssd
Yep I agree, here are some more picturesQuote:
Originally Posted by johnw
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/...mage/sfpx5.jpg
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/...mage/sfpx3.jpg
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/...mage/sspx1.jpg
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/...mage/sfpx1.jpg
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/...age/sfpx10.jpg
Nice pics! You are making me jealous, I cannot buy an M5P yet in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
Do lots of stores in Japan have the M5P? Or is it hard to find in Japan?
M5P are many (popular) online-shops has still in stock, immediately available for purchase.
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I think also be easy to purchased outside Asia too.
SSD users are saturated. There was also a Ninja selling for a week.
I had to stock up M5S. Take a break for a while.
Many shops have the M5P here :D, Last week I wanted to get the Ninja but it basically sold out in one day here http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/...mage/shsd1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by johnw
That is one beautiful SSD.Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
Anyone know if this drive will hit the US for sale this week?
yes
It launches tomorrow in the US. The 4K numbers in the set from the store are weak. It is actually much faster. I would say those numbers were ran on a system with heavy C-States enabled. The drive does over 100MB/s 4K write.
Now really, could anyone from TweakTown actually be mad about an NDA lead, lol. I was just giving you a hard time.
I personally can't say much until tomorrow but you guys will want to read the article for sure. I'm wrapping up fill testing now. The Marvell controllers have always ran a low slower than SF when the drive is half full...not so much of an issue now.
Also Zaxx, if you saw my news story from Computex about 19nm Tosh and 20nm IMFT you would know that 19nm Tosh was ready back then. 20nm IMFT was....well not looking so good. Now that I'm running power draw in my testing I have to say Tosh is the way to go 100% of the time.
...do you have a review already??? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
Edit : so tomorrow the review will be available at tweaktown?
I've always been skeptical of that data since the only tests tweaktown runs on the SSDs when they have some data is PCMark Vantage, and the compressibility of the data that PCMV writes is not well-specified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
It would be better if instead of (or in addition to) PCMV, tweaktown ran ASU with 100% incompressible data, or AS-SSD, on the drives when they are 25%, 50%, and 75% full, etc.
It would be interesting to see how AS-SSD and ASU benchmarks vary as the SSDs are filled up.
Could you guys say if the 128GB will be similar in speed to the 256GB or will it be much slower like on certain series of drives?
Just look at the specs posted earlier in this thread. The sequential write speed is 340MB/s for 128GB and 450MB/s for 256GB. That is the main difference. The 128GB also has a smidge less 4K random IOPS at high QD than the 256GB, but that is a totally irrelevant spec for most usage patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
The Plextor M5Pro just showed up on Plextor's website:
http://www.goplextor.com/asia/index.php/ssd/m5-pro
I love the comparison charts. "E Brand, E series (SF)" I'm not sure which of the Sandforce SSD makers that refers to (possibly SanDisk Extreme?). Then "S Brand, 8 Series (SS)" is obviously Samsung 830 and "O Brand, V series (ID)" must be the Vertex 4.
The problem with those tests are they show peak performance and not average performance. Peak numbers don't tell you anything other than the best possible outcome. The next PC Mark will be a lot different and will aid in what I'm doing. Then there is the my own trace based tests, as soon as I can convince Bus Trace to send me the software I'll start thinking about building my own PC Mark HDD tests and call it ChrisMark:)Quote:
Originally Posted by johnw
From what I've seen, real world testing and specs and what something should do don't match up that well all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnw
Wrong. The ASU and AS-SSD numbers do tell you something. They tell you what will be the sequential read and write speeds, 4K read and write speeds, etc. when they are measured with a 1GB test file of random data (AS-SSD) or a 1-32GB test file of 100% incompressible, 0% incompressible, etc. (ASU, depending) under the conditions that they are run for the SSD. They tell you EXACTLY what you will find under those conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
Unlike PCMV, which is a black box. Under some unspecified conditions, writing some unspecified type of data, out will pop some number that has no meaning in itself.
I'll take AS-SSD or ASU results, which I can understand, over PCMV results, which are totally opaque, every time.
If you look at Plextor, Samsung, or Crucial specs, they tend to match up pretty well to what you can measure yourself with AS-SSD or ASU. If you look at the specs for Sandforce SSDs, you have to be careful because many of the sellers will tout specs for unrealistic, highly compressible data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
So take Anvil and AS SSD and test a drive that is 50% full and tell me what you see. I don't take many things seriously but testing is one of them. Been there and done that for weeks at a time.
What give the advantage to SF is the type of data stored on the drive. The same flash at 50% full is the same speed, the SF controller manipulates the data on the flash so less of it is stored and that is why SF gets the nod in that test. No one keeps just compressible or incompressible data on their boot drive. When I built the test I used both compressible and incompressible and use the same ratio of what I had on my notebook at the time.
As for what the manufactures spec their drive at, we all know that is hocus pocus because those numbers are based on an empty drive. No one has an empty boot drive. Some SF based drives are marketed with both compressible and incompressible speeds.
Since I don't have an M5P, I cannot run ASU on it. That is what tweaktown should do. I already said that. Also, you seem to have missed the point. Yes, running ASU under one set of conditions is not very representative of real conditions. So don't just run it under one set of non-real conditions. Run it under several different conditions. Run it with the drive 75% full of data. Run it after hitting the drive with a lot of sequential or random writes. Run it after TRIM. ASU is a tool that gives precise and well-understood results, but it is up to the person running the tool to pre-condition the SSD into various interesting states before running ASU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
As for your claim of Sandforce "advantage", as I already said, I am skeptical. I am well aware of how Sandforce SSDs operate. What we do not know is exactly how PCMark Vantage operates. What types of data does it write? How much? In what percentage sequential? What percentage random? How much 4K, 16K, 32K, 128K, 512K?
The problem is the PCMV is just a black box, and no one reading the reviews has any clue about what it is actually measuring. All we have is a number that pops out that is meaningless by itself.
user review on a laptop hence crap 4Ks
http://translate.google.com/translat...B8%AC%E8%A9%A6
Images are not shown, is there any chance you saved them ?
First review is up. http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/488...iew/index.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
tweaktown has been making erroneous claims like this for multiple SSD mounts for months or years now.Quote:
The included desktop adapter bracket offsets the drive to the side so these plug in points are in line with 3.5" form factor drives.
In reality, it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a purely mechanical 2.5" to 3.5" adapter bracket, including both sidewalls, that lines up the SATA connectors with a standard 3.5" form factor. This is self-evident since if you line up 2.5" and 3.5" drives with their edges flush, the SATA connectors line up. If you then put a gap, such as the width of a piece of metal (wide enough for a tapped mounting hole), on the side of the 2.5" drive, then the SATA connectors no longer line up.
http://i.imgur.com/rLws4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BOQJp.jpg
Hm. M5P not as fast as I thought it was going to be with that Marvell controller and toggle. It loses to quite a few drives in a few tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
Sorry, I guess you are correct. To the naked eye it appears they line up.
The point is still valid though, the drive is offset to the side so you can install your cables in a nicer and easier manner.
Thanks for your trolltastic post.
You "guess" I am correct? Now we see why you have been printing reviews for years with incorrect and misleading information. When presented with facts and clear evidence, you "guess". And then you accuse me of trolling for correcting your mistakes? Incredible. I did not think it was possible for my opinion of tweaktown to go lower, but I was obviously wrong. Mea culpa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
You know what johnw. If you think you can do a better job then get off your ass and do it. I spend 18 hours a day 7 days a week doing this. Instead of trying to bust my balls over something pointless you should simply say "thank you". The issue has been noted and will be corrected.
It's people like you that make it difficult for me to come to forums and chat to readers. I thought it would be a little different here at XS since it is a community of real enthusiasts.
I don't think there is anything wrong with TRIM on the M5Pro. If you monitor with hIOmon you can see TRIM commands being executed as files get deleted. Also I just created a test file with Iometer that filled the drive. I then ran 4K random writes for half an hour or so. I then deleted the test file, waited a couple of minutes and ran AS SSD.
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4K reads seem to have taken a bit of a hit, but not bad considering what the drive had just been exposed too.
The drive also uses idle time GC btw.
Ya, bracket alignment seems a little trivial to me. I thank you for your hard work Highend. I know doing tests like yours above take a huge amount of time. I look forward to your updates on the M5P. As of right now, like you said there are some unanswered questions and the drive doesn't seem to be much better if at all over the M3P.
I just did. I presented facts with clear supporting evidence to you so you could correct your mistake. Instead of accusing me of trolling and saying that the issue is pointless, any decent reviewer would have said, "Oops, I made a mistake. Thank you for correcting it. I will not make that mistake again."Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
It is not pointless at all. Anyone who wants to install a 2.5" drive in a 3.5" hot-swap bay or in certain Macs that behave like hot-swap bays would have been mislead by your mistake, and you have been making similar erroneous claims for more than a year (despite having been corrected at least once in the comments of the review).
It is people like you that give web reviews a bad name. Good reviewers place high priority on accuracy. But now we see that tweaktown considers accuracy to be a low priority. I used to think tweaktown just made a lot of mistakes, but now I can see that tweaktown actually does not care about accuracy.
Hi Highendtoys. How did you create the files in your TRIM test?
Hmm, did you have a CPU-intensive background task (like 1 thread of Prime95) running during that AS-SSD? The 4K results look like what I see when C-states are in effect (which can be counteracted by running a background task). Do you have a "before" AS-SSD to correspond with the "after" you posted?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ao1
Sorry no, but I've seen 30 MB/s plus for 4K RR. This is one of the fastest drives I have played with.
For now M5P's been a let down for me, not much improvements over M3P.. I was expecting ~40MB/s 4K reads, waiting for more reviews for clearer opinion..
I have to run, I have youth football to coach tonight but you can find the TRIM / fill testing info here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ao1
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/39...ned/index.html
Also, as I said in the review, this drive has something going on with TRIM but I'm not sure what it is yet. There was an NDA launch and the drive just arrived at 3PM the day before. It's not my best article for sure but I've been working the drive all morning to get some of the other details worked out.
So the drive is 75% full. You then delete all the files and re-run the benchmark? If so how long are you waiting between deleting the files and starting the benchmark? If you run it straight away try waiting for two minutes or so. You should find performance has bounced right back to new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
Yes, there is a delay put in between each test and each file load to the drive.
That's not the M5 Pro.
Right. It appears to have Micron flash and the 9174 controller. Probably the M5S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ao1
yeah url confirms thatQuote:
Originally Posted by johnw
Code:http://www.gdm.or.jp/review/ssd/plextor/m5s/image/08_1024x768.jpg
http://www.gdm.or.jp/review/ssd/plextor/m5s/image/07_1024x768.jpg
sorry I posted the wrong linksQuote:
Originally Posted by Ao1
http://www.links.co.jp/wp-content/up...x_256m5p-3.jpg
http://www.links.co.jp/wp-content/up...x_256m5p-5.jpg
http://www.links.co.jp/wp-content/up...x_256m5p-4.jpg
http://www.links.co.jp/wp-content/up...x_256m5p-6.jpg
http://www.links.co.jp/wp-content/up...x_256m5p-1.jpg
The fact that the drive arrived just before the NDA is your problem because it's your choice to publish the review at the NDA date and not a day or two after ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
HiQuote:
Originally Posted by Ao1
I've just run my stress test ( this one : http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...a-6g-ssds.html ) on M5P and it reacts like M3P so i see no problem on TRIM.
M5 Pro 256GB benchmarks:
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5...P_256GB-05.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5...P_256GB-06.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5...P_256GB-07.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-001.png
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-002.png
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-003.png
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-004.png
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-005.png
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-006.png
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-007.png
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-008.png
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-009.png
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http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5..._256GB-012.png
It is good to know that you are testing the M5P. behardware's SSD test results are always interesting to see, especially the tests where you fill the SSDs with data and stress them before measuring sequential and random write speeds. I'll be looking forward to seeing the M5P results on behardware!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc HFR
For the moment i'm going crazy trying to understand Vertex 4 / Agility 4 performance/standard/very-low write performance :D
I've seen lots of weird results on the Vertex 4. Even just looking at AS-SSD results with fw1.5 that are posted on the internet, it seems that the sequential read speed can vary from low 400MB/s up to 520MB/s. And most of those are (I assume) with a nearly empty SSD. It seems like the V4 firmware likes to do some really aggressive housekeeping at random times, and this can affect the performance measured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc HFR
Even your behardware link to the Vertex 4 testing (with pre-1.5 firmware) shows the Random write "new" speed jumping around a lot.
I guess the V4 is just "twitchy".
+1...Ocz still has some work to do regarding V4 FW imo. There's a good chance that the majority of their FW engineers are up to their eyeballs with Ocz's first in-house (and very promising) controller...the Indilinx Barefoot 3. Looking forward to a review that thoroughly compares the marvell based V4 to the M5P.
Any more info on the M5P? Plextor made an announcement and there hasn't been anything since as far as availability and reviews besides the TT review. Paper launch?
What else do you need to know specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
Personally, Expect trim/power/workload that anand's review.
Plextor might be a bit slow with initial production if the 19nm tosh toggle hasn't ramped up sufficiently...just a guess tho.
Paper launch? I think not, you can find them in any computer shop here in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
They are on a boat from Japan to the US most likely. They might of been held up at customs for a few days or any number of things could of happened. The 19nm ramp up hasn't been all that fast and remember that Toshiba cut their side of production 30% too.
I have data that says different and even know why TRIM isn't running at 100%. I guess you'll have to wait for the follow up article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc HFR
Damn...I forgot about the production cut. Looks like consumers won't be seeing lower prices usually associated with a die shrink. I wonder if Intel is gonna pull something similar with it's upcoming 20nm IMFT. That would really suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
I will know more about 20nm this time next week when I meet with some people closer to the action. When I saw IMFT 20nm at Computex and played with a working drive you could tell that it was a lot slower than 19nm. At Computex 19nm was ready to go and we have proof of that now with the P5 Pro.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see 20nm until 2013....but they are still saying 2012 as of right now.
Ugg, I've been holding off on re-installing Windows waiting for the M5P. If Plextor put these drives on a cargo ship that stinks. You can fit thousands of these things on a pallet for air-freight and would only cost a dollar or two more per drive which I'd gladly pay for.
I might just break down and get the M3 Pro. In the TT review it actually did slightly better than the M5P in the Vantage disk tests.
I can tell you that both drives are very fast. If you are going notebooks, wait for the M5P as it should pull less power. I'm working on those tests now.
BUT, something now is coming in just a few days and if I were you...... ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
I know I'm chomping at the bit to see what the Indilinx Barefoot 3 can do...fingers crossed.
Looks like there margin of stock has still well. except 512G.
Akiba's PC Parts Watch (Plextor M5 Pro)
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/...14_553218.html
PC DIY SHOP FreeT / Faith / SOFMAP / Ark : 512G selling very well. it's cheap.
TSUKUMO eX. / Twotop : 256G has popular. some sold out.
DOSPARA : Many people buy two drives. for RAID?
ZOA : 128G selling fairly. 256G is not in much demand.
Pasoconhouse Toei : Order? Stock? Had not seen the e-mail from distributor. HAHA...
I got impatient while waiting for the M5P and I got in a 256GB Plextor M3Pro in to play around with. Not too impressed so far:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...vega/M3PRO.png
128 GB Vertex 4:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...rtex3128GB.png
Not sure why the M3Pro has this low of results, I thought they would be higher. Certainly higher than a 128 GB Vertex 4. Another extremely annoying thing with this Plextor drive is no simple way to secure erase. With OCZ Vertex 4 you can use windows Toolbox or Linux boot up disk. I don't know what crack Plextor was smoking when they decided to make their Windows Plextool set to only secure erase "external drives". The Plextor HBA is locked and even DOS HDDERASE won't send the secure erase command. I guess I'll have to try Ubuntu HDparm. So far not particularly impressed with the $270 M3Pro.
OMFG this Plextor is a PITA. Time to do something basic like secure erase a SSD with the Vertex 4: 2 seconds. Time with the M3Pro, 4 hours and unsuccessful. Let's see, Plextor's "Plextool" is completely worthless and doesn't send secure erase commands, HBA is shown as locked even when the drive isn't locked with HDDERASE in DOS, Ubuntu HDParm gives an input/output error with the drive not being locked, Parted Magic doesn't boot and goes to fail-safe main text menu. That's where I gave up. Tried all of the above in IDE and AHCI modes. Seriously glad I didn't wait for the M5P if Plextor drives are this archaic and difficult to work with.
EDIT: Downloaded an ancient Parted Magic that worked and finally got the secure erase to work. Plextor needs to get off their behinds and make a proper tool to secure erase like everyone else.
Do not look at the total score. Look at the individual scores. Then you will see that M3p wins where it counts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
Read reliability :p
I suggest you try to calm down and think clearly. Also, Parted Magic should be able to secure erase any SSD. If you cannot boot it, then it is hardly the SSD's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
I have a 256GB Plextor M3P and I have secure erased it several times during testing. It is straightforward enough, except for one thing (which is NOT unique to Plextor) -- if I boot my machine with the SSD connected, the BIOS sends a "freeze" command to the SSD, and when the SSD is frozen it will not accept a secure erase command. This is supposed to prevent a trojan infecting your system and erasing your SSDs, although it doesn't make a lot of sense, and I've seen several SSDs that do it. The reason I don't think it makes much sense is because you can also wipe an SSD quickly by TRIMming all sectors, and TRIM can be done even on a frozen SSD.
Anyway, what you need to do is boot without the SSD attached (or leave SATA attached but no power), and then attach (or power up) the SSD after booting. Or just power-cycle the SSD by unplugging the power, waiting, and then restoring the power.
I usually run linux when I am testing SSDs, so this is how I secure erase:
# hdparm -I /dev/sd_
That is not necessary, but it shows whether the SSD is frozen, which is useful to know if you are having trouble. You can also check if the SSD supports enhanced erase (the Plextor does).
# hdparm --security-set-pass NULL /dev/sd_
You can assign any password you like, but it is necessary to assign one before hdparm will do a security erase.
# hdparm --security-erase-enhanced NULL /dev/sd_
The password must match the one assigned previously.
And that's it. It takes less than 30 seconds for a 256GB M3P.
If you prefer a GUI, then parted magic should work (it just calls hdparm behind the scenes). If you explain your hardware setup and exactly the problem you are having with getting parted magic to boot, I may be able to give you some suggestions to try.
Agreed. Also, his sequential read and 4K-64 random write look low. Here is mine:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nizzen
http://i.imgur.com/sb9Tx.png
Parted Magic has been able to SE every drive I've used it with except for one. That one drive was an ES drive and it was later fixed in development so you are good with Parted Magic. Also, every SSD will show as frozen if it's attached when you boot. Parted Magic will ask you to enter a sleep mode, just do it and hit your space bar to wake the system up. Go through the procedure for SE again and you are good. The longest it has ever taken to SE an SSD is about 1 minute and that was a thrashed 480GB.
As for the Barefoot 3 comment, yeah that one will be exciting as well. Hopefully OCZ has the money to spin their own silicon.
That'll depend on if Seagate (or Micron by rumor) reaches a deal to buy Ocz, giving them a much needed cash infusion and access to vast validation resources. Ryan Peterson mentioned that they are prepared to borrow the production $ if need be. Tho overpriced atm...Ocz is ripe for the picking for a any major player to make a big entrance into the consumer ssd market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
Got my Plextor M3Pro OS drive working properly. I used the latest 11.5 and it said "this driver isn't guaranteed to work blah blah" and I forced it to install. Now the numbers are great:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...rM3ProAHCI.png
No one should be using the C600 X79 Intel drivers those things are horrible.
hermitage Review Vol.169 PLEXTOR M5 Pro
http://www.gdm.or.jp/review/ssd/plex.../index_01.html
Those charts came from a special Plextor event held for Plextor VIP members that I attend in Akihabara. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by UranusFX
Until the M5Ps fw matures to work better with the new 19nm toggle, AnandTech doesn't think there's as much of a performance increase over the M3P as there could be.
"Despite not breaking any records, the M5 Pro is a good drive. Without any huge increases in performance via firmware updates however, the M5 Pro needs to be competitive on price. The M3 Pro wasn't priced as aggressively as it needed to be, but with the M5 Pro Plextor has another chance."
M5P AnandTech Review
Man, sorry to hear that you guy's are getting ripped off there in the states. I can get a M5P for around "$220" and it comes with a 5 year warranty... A OCZ Vertex 4 is only a couple of dollars cheaper at around "$216" and it comes with a 3 year warranty onlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Zaxx
Compare how the M3P ran in comparison to my Vertex 4 on the endurance thread .... the vertex 4 was a lot slower, and lasted half as long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega
The vertex 4 uses some special tricks to get such high scores ... which means it isn't a particularly good drive to give a good thrashing to.
Edit: I got a liteon LZT-128, which is very similar performance-wise to the M3P, but a lot cheaper here in Au. The Liteon S100 is a more direct clone of the Plextor M3P.
My 128gig drive result (on z77 chipset):
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m5p doesnt perform as well as the hardware indicates it should. I assume this is because the hardware is all new, whereas the previous generation ssds are all old hardware with over a year of firmware tweaking done to them. I expect m5p to be much faster than m3p in one year. but will it get better fast enough to warrant buying it before something better comes out. that is the question.
I wish I could say that no one should buy it if the prices stay japanese-high. but there are not many good, fast, 5 year warranty 512gb ssds to choose from.
20nm Intel or Micron, on who's controller?Quote:
Originally Posted by Highendtoys
You'll see it soon enough.. I can't wait for the nerd forum rage to commence. :D:clap:
The 128GB Plextor M5P is now available on newegg.com. The 256GB and 512GB are not yet on newegg.
Lol, what is there to get angry about .... the longer it takes to get 20nm out, the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by zads
It will likely be a little slower then 25nm, have weaker endurance, and it won't immediately cause prices to drop further.
However, it won't be the end of the world either, as it will probably be a little bit more reliable then 25nm NAND, and will eventually allow for further price drops and the introduction of 1tb SSDs.
the 128gb ver is for sale at newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820249026
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=150954
http://www.johnnylucky.org/data-stor...-database.html
heres some ssd reviews the johny lucky has several of the m5 pro also you can preorder at ncix usa
So are these plexor drivers any better compared to say a intel or OCZ or crucial SSD?
the one thing that has put me off SSD's is the high failure rate of some of them.
Anything is better than OCZ when it comes to quality. OCZ has a long history of selling low quality SSDs with gimmicks to make them look good in reviews. Definitely avoid OCZ products.
Sandforce SSDs are also problematic historically. There have been numerous problems with Sandforce drives during the past few years, the worst being random crashing (BSOD), but there have been many other issues. The most recent problems are broken AES encryption and TRIM not working for months until a very recent firmware update (that may not have made it to all Sandforce SSDs yet).
But choosing a good SSD now is simple. The best value (good price, good quality, good performance) is the Samsung 830, and the best SSD (best quality and performance, 5 year warranty) is the Plextor M3P or M5P.
Here's Plextor's description of their preproduction and burn-in tests that they use to ensure quality:
http://www.goplextor.com/asia/index.php/ssd/m5-pro
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With the M5Pro, Plextor has focused on developing and supplying one of the most stable drives on the market. To achieve this, extensive pre-production testing took place using the world’s most advanced SSD testing facilities - FLEXSTAR testing chamber. It was only when the design was able to pass strict enterprise-grade Zero Error standard of 400 units surviving 500 hours of the toughest continuous testing without a single error or failure that the drive was approved. To ensure stability and reliability for individual drives all drives undergo rigorous high-temperature burn-in tests and accelerated usage simulation testing.
Preproduction tested for professional use in Plextor’s state-of-the-art testing facilities. Rigorous operational and environmental tests resulting in drive with an impressive MTBF of 2.4 million hours.
48hr Sustained Read and Write Test
Two days continuous 4K file read / write test, zero error pass requirement.
4000 Times Idle Test–Sleep and Hibernation Test
After 24 hrs read & write SSD enters sleep (S3) mode and is woken after 5 minutes, repeated for hibernation (S4) mode, zero error pass requirement.
250 Times Power Cycle–Cold and Warm Boot Tests
Continuous cold boot and warm boot cycles 250 times, zero error pass requirement.