http://translate.google.com.br/trans...t-1026888.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by heise.de @ Google Translator
pretty impresive :up:
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http://translate.google.com.br/trans...t-1026888.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by heise.de @ Google Translator
pretty impresive :up:
if they can OC so well, why not sell them at 750mhz stock? i hope power consumption isnt an issue still, thats the only reason i can see them being worried about higher clocks. or they are being nice and trying to push out alot of these cards knowing they OC well, to hopefully get back some market share.
I highly doubt OC'ing is a main concern for them, the clock speed is probably determined more on the basis of overall yields & performance level for a particular price point/target market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
fermi shrink or no thx..
impatient much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loque
This looks good, and the OC headroom is impressive. It would be interesting to see some tests on 1GB/256-bit too.
Not impressed. The quest for the overclocked part is a fallacy, gaurnteed clocks are what matter here not potential. For all we know that could be a center cut best bet card or it could be the overall average; at this point we dont know. There have been a number of these cards floating around that people buy for the sake of overclocking only to have the rug pulled out from beneath them.
The HD5850 was :banana::banana::banana::banana: hot until we couldn't adjust voltage, same thing with the GTX470. Once the non-ref PCBs hit this card will be a dud just like the other 2 before it.
Even still, going based of what they said a 900mhz 460 @ 192bit only just matched a 600mhz GTX 470. Lets not forget that the 470 with volts does 700-800+ which will wipe the floor with the aftermentioned card.
The only thing I see coming out of this is a price drop on the ATi cards and nothing more. The 460 is an interesting card but I fail to see how its a game changer.
Now if this was the GT212 totally different story but this card is going up against a GTX470 / HD5850. Why in the world would anyone buy this over either two?
That doesn't look real good honestly. 800Mhz just to pull even with a default clocked GTX470? I can overclock both my GTX470's to 800Mhz and out run a stock GTX480 for $150 less. To me really the only card that makes sense in the Fermi line up is the GTX470. It's the only reasonably priced card for the performance it offers.
Agree whole heartidly, I hate to say it but the card right now that has the "8800GT" effect is the 470, especially once the 512 bit card arrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraptacularOne
it is actually going up against the HD5830, and it'll probably be a better buy for the same price, which should force ATI to put the HD5850 at U$250 (or U$260, the MSRP at launch)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
Exactally right, dont get me wrong this is a solid card but this would be the next 9600GT not 8800GTQuote:
Originally Posted by -Sweeper_
yeahQuote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
I'm curious about what they could do with the rumoured ''full GF104'' (384 SPs) card
GTX470-like performance or more for ~U$300 would be cool
GF 104 sounds to be a good surprise. A full one (384 SP, 64 TMU ?) with high clocks could be very interesting, right.
i'm guessing there will be a GTX460 256/1gb edition... it'll be the same silly 8800gts situation again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
http://translate.google.com.br/trans...t-1026888.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
there will, for U$250
people said the same crap about 8800gt and look how that turned out. some of you guys just have no idea what you're talking about. just watch what happens when there is finally competition in the mainstream performance segment.
PS: 8800gt had two memory sizes for $200-$250, just like this new rumored card.
I love how people complain about a $230 card that can match or get close to GTX470 ($350) performance when overclocked. Obviously if you overclock the GTX470 it will still be faster. It's got more memory, more memory bandwidth, more SPs, and probably more ROPs. What were you expecting, an overclocked GTX460 matching an overclocked GTX470? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CraptacularOne
Even if the retail cards don't overclock quite as well as this reviewed card, if they can still get close to a GTX470 that's still awesome! And by the way, the GTX480, 470 and 465 all seem to have remained good overclockers even after having been in retail for some time.
Color me jaded but I am going based off of what was said. They said the GF104 would be the next "8800GT". That simply is not true, this is card is more akin to the 9600GT than the 8800GT.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
The 8800GT was comparable to the 8800GTX clock for clock; we're not seeing anything close in that regard, this chip in no way has clock parity between it and the GTX480.
Best case scenerio we are talking matching the GTX470 @ stock and possibly the GTX480 stock at a 1/3 clock disparity. That puts this card on par with what the 9600GT did, not the 8800GT.
We are simply commenting on the misleading infomation put out about this card. What we are concerned by is the large gap needed to match an already excellent bang for buck chip for maybe $80 more. Lets be realistic here; the GTX470 is not a $399 card or even a $350 card, every day I look at it there seems to be a constant creep down to $300. Heck compusa was selling evga chips for $329.
As of right now I fail to see why this chip is desirable at its current price point. Now if this were a $200 card? Big difference, but at $250? Thats HD5850 territory there and under no circumstance do I see this being a contender to the 5850 even if it could routinely overclock to 900mhz (which I highly doubt)
Im betting most people overclocking this card are going to see 750-800mhz like most of us are and more than likely at a ~200W range. This card's only saving grace will be its memory clock. If this thing cant get to over 4ghz overclocked there is no way I can see this chip surviving at its price point against a price dropped HD5850.
Yeah, the "next 8800GT" the GTX460 is looking not to be. As was said above the beauty of the 8800GT was that it was very close to 8800GTX performance for $200 less. And FYI the 8800GT launched at $299 not $200. The GTX470 can easily be found for $319 - $329 (even under $300 if you count rebates) and if one were to make a comparison about "today's 8800GT" that would clearly fall on the GTX470 as it can easily reach GTX480 performance for more than $150 less. ON average the GTX480 is selling for $489 - $519 depending on where you buy it. So those that are wanting the "champagne" taste but can only afford the "beer" price level will obviously opt for the GTX470.
This card is obviously targeted at the 5830, basically 465 performance from a product with a cheaper BOM hence cheaper sale price.
Why anyone would complain about more affordable mainstream options coming to market is beyond me.
We're not complaining about more affordable options, just disappointed that this card is not shaping up to be what they were touting it to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Nope, bought one on release day for like $189 from NCIX and then the price shot up with demand immediately afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraptacularOne
8800GT was based on G92, which was 65nm... (vs G80, 90nm)
GF104 is not a die shrink, its shaping up to be a reenginered GF100 (at 40nm) with less GPGPU resources to adress the mainstream-performance segment...
i think everyone has their expectations way too high. we can expect higher clocks and better power consumption, but we should not be expecting this to be a jump like 65-40nm was.
for the price, thats still a let down. whats the point being only 10% cheaper, when by now all 40nm cards should have dropped by 40-50%
Ah great, another 8800GT effect buzz. Quite frankly I couldn't care less what Nvidia pushes out at this point. The more cards the better. I wouldn't BUY any of them, but I'd like to see more on the market. We need ATI to lower the price and release Southern Island a little sooner.
I'm sorry man but you have obviously never owned both cards. I have a pair of 8800gtx's and a 8800gt and at stock the 8800gtx is a solid 15% faster when you match the clock speed the 8800gtx is about 20% (or more faster). Even with ocing the 8800gt was never as fast as the 8800gtx not to mention the mem difference because lets face it 512mb just does not cut it (unless you game at 1280x1024) were as 768mb can still hold it down at anything around 1680x1050. I see what you are getting at though, the 8800gt was a sweet card for the money, heck thats why I bought one. but it was never a 8800gtx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
I think that the GTX 460 1GB will be great card if they price it like they did the 8800gt at around the 200-250 range. the card is a little faster then the GTX 465 at stock and will OC to a stock (or slightly oced) GTX 470 for 100-150 dollars less. Thats a sweet deal. and WAY better than the 5830 which is what it is competing against.
i am a little curious as to why they are coming out with this new card so soon considering it makes the GTX 465 total garbage.
200$ would be pretty good, more than 225$ feels like they arnt trying to make ATI do any real price cuttingQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
and the 465 was a garbage 480 anyway, any return from those is a good return.
they aren't. companies win when they make money, not when their competition loses money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
GTX 460 overclocking
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9510/2w7fux1.jpgQuote:
Well, this time to blast results, GTX460 exposure overclocking results!
Last is to help a friend sent photos of a GTX460's true identity, did not expect a lot of media outlets. The deep sea is also a friend in Europe sent a GTX460 overclocked to run after the sub-graph
Looks like there still no news, I start clicking
GPU-Z is not updated, can not recognize part of the information, but after overclocking frequency Daoshi of recognition, and picture messages absolute fidelity
http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/10/198_97564.html
Ask him to download GPU-Z 0.4.4
Graphics segment is in a total mess both sides, thats why I've decided to wait until gen 2 (even 3 if its needed) of DX11 hardware.
^Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
indeed these are first gen Dx11 cards and have a lot of old DX10 technology inside them.
new architectures for DX11 should performance better.
Well, he waited 9 months for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
According to DonanimHaber, GTX 460 192-bit version is 200$ and 256-bit 230$.
That's lower than the MSRP of 8800GT IIRC. And apparently it overclocks like crazy too.
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Originally Posted by josiahsuarez @ nvn
That would make more sense to consumers. I don't think nvidia brings much profit from these cards at those prices tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
And how is it "messed" up? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
So... GTX460:
A) WASSUP! :up:
B) ICH DON'T THINK SO! :down:
???
^^ 224 shaders and 24 rops :confused: seems gpu-z screwed
GTX 460 768 Mo listed at Geizhals. First price : 206€
A friend of mine in HK who work in a NVidia partner corporation told me :
GTX460 DDR5 1024MB 256bit 229.00$
GTX460 DDR5 768MB 192bit 195.00$
We want benches.
The existance of a 768MB/192bit version still puzzles me
There will be two GTX 460s :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...tx+460&x=0&y=0
I'd call the 256bit/1gb version GTX460 and the 192bit/768mb version GTS460
DX11 performance is poor to average at best nomatter the card. As always with every new generation the new technology is merely introduced, it doesn't start really performing until the 2nd generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129
historically that isn't how it works. the different titles are used to represent something important, and extra memory chips don't count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
So 1 having 256bit membus and the other having a 192 isnt important? Id say that is a big enough diffrence for them having diffrent titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by bamtan2
And diffrent titles dont always mean an important diffrence. The Geforce 6800GT and 6800Ultra where the same thing except for the Ultra having higher clocks.
historically, what has nvidia done with gpus that are identical except ram, or has that not happened yet and so we cant assume anything
Wasnt the default 7800GTX 256MB? And the faster clocked 512MB (with that big cooler) was called the 7800GTX512 and the only diffrence was more ram and higher clockspeeds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
But like said with these 460 there is more diffrence then just the ram the membus is wider.
if it mattered enough to change the name, they would :)
Comparing Textures Filtrate/Pixel Filtrate and Memory bandwidh, the 256 bytes/1024mb version is better than GTX 465....?
So GTX 460 better than GTX 465 and 50$ cheaper, probably more overclocking headroom due the less complicated and smaller chip., less heat and power consumption.
The 768mb model at 200$ wiil be a little under GTX 465 but 70-80$ cheaper.
Let say that GTX 460 seems to be the first Fermi done right for us and for Nvidia(lower costs, probably higher yelds so more profit)>
Looks like newegg leaked some info early:)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...tx+460&x=0&y=0
EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768MB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Chipset Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Core Clock: 675MHz
Shader Clock: 1350MHz
Stream Processors: 336 Processor Cores
Model #: 768-P3-1360-TR
Item #: N82E16814130562
Palit NE5X460SF1102 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Sonic 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Chipset Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Core Clock: 725MHz
Shader Clock: 1450MHz
Stream Processors: 336 Processor Cores
Model #: NE5X460SF1102
Item #: N82E16814261075
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
Some leaks ...
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/cd2ea06...0047eedf8c.jpg
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/bccb826...cdc4701b3d.jpg
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/75d5986...260fcfa369.jpg
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/c75bbdb...77892444fd.jpg
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/6259f9c...fe26d7b4db.jpg
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/278e65e...3578bc2916.jpg
those numbers put it very close to a 5850 it seems
I like to see the GTX 460 1GB too.
i can see there are performance (1), (3), and (5) but 2 and 4 are missing :D any dx11 leaks ?
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2...xxxxx66813.jpg
yeah i found performance 2.. now we need 4
What are you smoking? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
It barely beats a 5830...
whats wrong with unigine scores why so low ?
I hate to admit it, but maybe Charlie was right all along with the "tesselation" performance will go down the toilet with derivatives..Quote:
Originally Posted by kaktus1907
IMO all about the RAM.. 1080p, 8xAA and tessellation level unknown.. someone can show us how much unigine eat RAM at same settings..
looking at TPU 465 review i see:Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/GeFo...rfrel_1920.gif
a 5850 is 12% slower than a 465, which is 17% slower than 5850
and a 460 seems to be a good 5% faster than a 465, which would then make the gap
5830 17% slower
5850 12% faster
and thats the 768MB version. i hope the 1GB card is going to get a good 5-10% more and maybe this will bring ATI cards down 30% in price
Look again at those graphs. The GTX460 768MB is NOT beating a GTX465...Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Sorry to burst your wet dream, but its not gonna happen..
About the GTX460 1GB.. lets wait and see..
my apologies, damn horrible nvidia numbering system. and its not my wet dream, its everyones. the only people happy with an ATI card are the ones who bought them 9 months ago for a few dollars cheaperQuote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
Hope 1 GB/256-bit will do the job ... 768 MB/192-bit seems to be the limit with some 1920X1080 AAX8 scores :shrug:
True. Its not my wet dream because I dont buy graphics cards or play much :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
I just like to watch the usual skirmish :p:
Well thats my hope also, as an nVIDIA fan :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
But somehow I dont believe it.. Heard some rumours that GF104 is closer to GT200 than GF100 ..
so full gf104 aka gtx475 will be flop then ? without high tesssellation power it would be nothing..Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
i dont trust those numbers, unigine wise
Looks promising. Finally Nvidia has a power efficient card out. Only problem is that 5850 uses the same (even less according to Anandtech) than 5830.Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
Seems like the GTX460 finally will give AMD some incitament to drop the prices a bit.
It looks like a HD 5830 killer, possibly even HD 5850 depending how good it overclocks.
so it's going to be someting like this ? (my pic)
7 SM
48sp & 8TMU per SM.
wow great effort IDANPE :toast:
but there should be 32 rops and no L2 Cache..
Thank you :)
about the rops u right.. forgot to delete.
u sure about the L2 cache ? non at all ?
As far as we know, no L2 cache.Quote:
Originally Posted by IDANPE
GTX 460 768MB [/CENTER]Quote:
192bit. Frequency setting on the card core frequency of 675MHz, Stream processor frequency 1350MHz, memory is running 3600MHz, bandwidth of 86.4GB / s
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2378/30802253.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/143/55908098.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8495/94919784.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1239/74186804.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9923/13200416.jpg
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8499/55359861.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1342/80040287.jpg
http://vga.it168.com/a2010/0709/1075/000001075571.shtml
i like the heatsink, too bad the fan isnt a regular 100% exhaust out of case type
Is that your wet dream?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
I'm pretty stoked with a 5850 bought last week
and how much could you have gotten that for in oct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides
only 2 things in the computer industry with pricing that dosnt follow a normal trend, and one of them was from supposed price fixing. the other one makes no sense
That is funny, I mean what other computer hardware would you find anybody really satisfied with paying a notably higher price today than what it cost over half a year ago when it was bleeding edge, it seems totally backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
you forgot RAM
No, he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
huh? but dont they need at least a tiny piece of l2 to NOT break cuda support and all? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130564
For sale.
EVGA superclocked.
Red PCB? They are pretending to be ATI cards? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
That card is probably Palit/Gainward GTX 460. They used red PCB with GTX 260, GTX 275 with custom cooler sow this is nothing new. They are the only who use red pcb.
http://images10.newegg.com/productim...130-564-02.jpg
Quite good looking. And if the numbers are right we have quite an masive overclocking 763 core/1526 shaders/ 3800 memory...
almost 100 mhz more than stock. This card surely beat the 5830, at 10$ less.
My mistake, some of the 5830 card prices already reduced from 229$ to 199$. So GTX 460 is the first GTX 400 card wich put Ati on move.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130564
Quote:
Brand EVGA
Model 768-P3-1362-AR
Interface
Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
Chipset
Chipset Manufacturer NVIDIA
GPU GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi)
Core Clock 763MHz
Shader Clock 1526MHz
Stream Processors 336 Processor Cores
Memory
Effective Memory Clock 3800MHz
Memory Size 768MB
Memory Interface 192-bit
Memory Type GDDR5
this card actually uses less power than a 5830, doesnt it?
Not sure about this OC model, but it's true with default clocks.
So does the 5850. The 5830 isn't a very good performer per watt.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
GTX 460sQuote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...%20%28Fermi%29
Edit: This is an interesting card :D
Palit GTX 460 SONIC PLATINUM 1GB 256-bit
Core Clock 800MHz
Shader Clock 1600MHz
Man if they sell a card clocked at those speeds already from launch it really tells something about the overclockability of GTX 460.
These cards could really easily hit 900MHz with some more voltage, nice :D I wonder if 1GHz will be possible.
hdmi v1.4...so is this the only card that can play a 3d bluray?
they seemed to go out of their way to mention that in the specs
Memory : 4000, may be the IMC of GF 104 is a little better and can reach 4400-4600 normaly? i mean Palit pushed the memory hard to to the limit of GF100, 4000.Quote:
Palit GTX 460 SONIC PLATINUM 1GB 256-bit
Core Clock 800MHz
Shader Clock 1600MHz
Wasn't that LCD panels?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Gicabyte oc. custom pcb 768/1gb
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggIma...125-334-04.jpg
256 bit model for 219 looks like winner to me