:) FINALLY....
any reviews on it yet? i tried looking but nothing came up.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekdutopg.html
it's overpriced, but i may still get one.
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:) FINALLY....
any reviews on it yet? i tried looking but nothing came up.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekdutopg.html
it's overpriced, but i may still get one.
that is ridiculously overpriced. i will not buy it for that much unless it has amazing performance.
w00t! getting one of these after xmas :)
Damn it is pricey. :( Would be nice if that res Eddy talked about was included for that price.
When did this go up on SW's? 'Cuz it's already sold out so I guess there weren't many of them..
you can buy a third pump for that money and just connect them with tubing.
Nice, but toooo expensive . . .
Its a shame really
As much as I admire your enthusiasm Eddy and think it does deserve some money but it does not mean you can punch my mom, rape my sister and spank my monkey (<--maybe should have said dog:rofl:). It is a little expensive!
thats my thinking as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChielScape
seems like the tops for D5's are few and fare between and cost alot when you find them... what's with all the D5 hating?!
wish XSPC would start making stuff for the pumps.
if their like jabtech, they put it on the site, then fill stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer7
That's quite a price.
About the price,
I can guarantee you it is not over priced.
You cant imagine how much time it takes to make all three parts of the top plus the accessories to mount it anywhere you want.
If you'll take it apart you will know... ;)
i will gladly take a sample to see just how intricate the top is :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
while i understand thats true, why is the DDC dual top cheaper, alot cheaper?
i understand the DDC is only 1 piece, but that to me means if there are any mess ups, the whole thing has to be scrapped.
is there any tests out on the new D5 dual?
EDIT: do you have any internal pictures by the way?
Yes the DDC dual turbo top is made of one piece and no accessories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawn-Inc
Picture of the dual D5 top:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1255197828
ATM no tests but working on to get a good one to test it.
looks good internally. any thoughts of releasing one with just the basic parts, the only extra stuff i see is o-rings, 5 1/4 brackets and option have the multi res addon.
g'lord, close to $300 for a fully operational battle station...
and more yet for the addition of the res...
It's not for everyone. This is for the most extreme users and what they ask is is this extreme? Yes it is! :)
Eddy, any ETA on when any of the other US-based shops will start getting these in? Thanks!
On their website it says November 18th so I presume it'll be VERY VERY shortly. Heck, I guess the 5800 blocks were on his "TO DO LIST" in terms of demand and this got "sidetracked" a bit :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer7
PPC's should get them next week for sure so do Gary. Frozen CPU in about 8 days if I am not mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer7
Awesome, thanks Eddy :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Looks impressive.
About the price...this is a three-part assembly and it takes a lot of machining time to make them look like this. The bottom part (looking at the picture) seems not like a big deal, but the rest two need 3-axis surface machining and that takes time. It is a fact that acetal could me machined far faster than copper or brass (twice or more machining depths, higher feedrates) and the material should be far cheaper (especially compared to copper) but it still takes time, and in CNC world that has to be reflected in a final product price a lot.
One probably stupid question at the end of my comment: what is the large hole with a inner thread there for?
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It allows you to install an EK Multioption Link part there so you can mount a res directly to this pump top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex707
I see...didn't know about this product, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer7
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I understand where you're coming from, (production-)time = money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
I wouldnt say overpriced i guess, but definately expensive.
That's what i hate the D5 for, it may be a reliable decently powered pump, but it is inferior to the DDC in all aspects, short of unrestricted flow, which is irrelevant. It requires the stupid ring to keep it together, the DDC just needs some screws. It's large, its ugly, and the only reservoir top in the world costs as much as the pump itself. Its a really awesome top you made, eddy, just a shame it wont be what a lot of people are looking for.
I hope the dual DDC version you hinted at a while back will be a lot cheaper. If it is I'm thinking of getting it depending on whether or not my financial situation even allows more WC gear :p:
Going to have to pick one of these up sometime to play around with. Got to buy the link too for the res. Got a few ideas I want to try out with this. May actually buy 2 of these.
Going to retire the Detroit AC tops hey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
Show us some photos when you do.
Hell no. Those tops rock. No I have an idea for a new build using one of those double wide DD cases. Thinking 2 loops with two of these units. So 4 pumps altogether. Each loop will have 2 D5's. Kind of a waste but I am thinking aesthetics as well as loop redundancy which makes me sleep better.Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
Dual DDC already exists...I am using one in my loop with two DDC 3.2s.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChielScape
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekdututopg1a.html
true, they even had triple :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
but he was talking about one that will look like the dual D5 one with the Res option i believe.
Yea, I sold mine when I got the T3. Its a shame they are not being made though. One of the nicest D5 tops out there. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
That should be interesting. :up:
I hope at least one sample is already on the way to skinnee or Vapor lab desk :yepp:
do i really need to answer that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawn-Inc
:rofl:
i have enough pictures of DDC's to make you also hate D5's.
:rofl:
So how is this solution better then dual DDC's on a dual ddc top?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
Im very lost.. you guys are COMPLETELY FORGETTING why we get D5's over DDC's now are you?
How about.. umm.. cuz they were hush quiet when downvolted.. now u have two of them so you lose the noise edge they had over DDC's.
And if you think your smart, and u downvolt both of them, well, you just matched the noise of a DDC.
This makes no sense unless u already have dual D5's and u need a top for them.
Otherwise if ur getting an entirely new pump package, and you pick this over dual DDC's.. oh boy... time to bust out miyuki. :X
Guys think about it.. its a 160 dollars for top + 1 pump.
Umm dual ddc's + xspc tops = 160 dollars..
Whats the winner? dual DDC's with tops OR a single D5 /w dual top?
i'll say this once more, and i dont intend to offend d5 users.
You guys just havent been in the hobby long enough.
You WILL EVENTUALLY get a DDC. And once u do, you will HATE a D5.
(like in the old days, we told everyone, eventually you will get a 120x3 class radiator, and now its the standard.)
:rofl:
This is speaking from experience.. i had 4 D5's and probably now over 10 DDC's total. (lost count of ddc's)
Or you get a Typhoon III. :p:
D5's a great pumps, but if i had to start over, i would go for the ddc's. but only for the Tops.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
i would be grabbing a XSPC triple top...
I'm with NaeKuh on this one. DDC's are the way to go. I'm among the early DDC adopters and i never looked back...
D5's would be great pumps if DDC's hadn't appeared...
you wouldnt do too well mistaking me for an idiot. Im not talking about "a dual DDC top", im talking about "the DDC version, of that dual D5 top". with res option. in a side-by-side configuration, so you can actually mount it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
XSPC actually did have something similar. They new revision of it is a dual loop setup. It seems they stopped making the original version. I went looking a while ago and couldn't find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChielScape
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/sidewinderco..._2081_29401369
except that looks lame and this looks awesome.
except it would be the dual version
http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/file...X-RES-100a.gif
taste :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by ChielScape
I will agree with you. I do like the look of the EK a bit better. The nice thing about the XSPC is that it is easy to mount and one nice neat little package.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChielScape
Options are always nice to have though. :)
Na it's easy to double softmount the pumps in the XSPC :DQuote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
This is just one step away from an acetal version of the T3.
Make it dual 5.25, short, with 4 ports and of course with EK quality - it will be a killer.
Except T3 costs $30 less, another $65 less for no pump #2.....
That's $130 for a serial/parallel setup or $225 for an arguably more powerful serial loop setup...
I'd instantly pay $90 for an EK branded full acetal T3-like... Price is not an issue for me, practicality is (silence, too). And Eddy has proved he is the Michelangelo of acetal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibbler
I think that's a fair price, by reading the above posts I thought it was gonna be alot more than that? 95$ is about what to decent tops would cost anyway. Hope they have some still in stock, waiting for this.
This has nothing to do with performance (well to a degree) as much as the aesthetics with me (cannot speak for others). Seriously I like the industrial look of the D5 and having 2 of them in a loop is more for redundancy more then anything plus it does add to the looks as well. Everyone who has seen my build (especially in person) loves the aesthetics of it. I could have easily went with the DDC's as well but I did not want to. In my most recent build I took out the HDD cage to make room for only the 2 pumps, drains etc to make it look cool and it worked. It was what I envisioned. Now I have another vision with 4 D5's with 2 of these cool EK tops and everything in a double wide DD case because I have a cool idea to make it all look awesome! It will have performance. As much as the DDC's? Of course not but that is not what I want either. The DDC does not look industrial at all to me. It looks like a block. Sure I can throw a couple LED's to make it glitter and stuff but I was and still am after a specific look the D5's offer. As for noise.....with my fans that I have I cannot hear my pumps even if I had them loose and bouncing off of the bottom of the case. :rofl: I have both pumps running on 5 at all times.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
I think you need the D5 to weight down your case so it doesn't take off. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
Yeah that too! That's why I will need 4 pumps in the next one...LOL. I could go RD-30's but I hate having to use Meanwell's and a relay. Does not make me sleep well at night.Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
i have 5 ddc's in nadeshiko. :X
:shocked: Awesome! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
I like things that take it up a notch.
I have had both and gone back and forth several times, never found noise or performance to be an issue with either the D5 or DDC's. I think it really comes down to size and that is where the DDC's come out ahead. As far as I am concerned it's the difference between pissing into the wind and pissing in your hand, you get wet either way. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
hmm, so things are going overkill it seems.
who's gonna fork out the cash and get 2 XSPC triple tops and run them parallel?
only $600 :) can't wait until i get a better job.
rofl..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawn-Inc
ive only seen 1 dude who was running more pumps then i was, and it was by 1.
But he had 3 loops with dual ddc's on each loop.
While i have 3 loops, and only my gpu + cpu loop has dual ddc's.
My board can suffer with just 1, but it has a PA160 all to itself. :rofl:
Once systems get that big it takes a TON of coolant as well.
Example, my entire system will take 2/3rds of a gallon to fill completely. All three loops.
:X
well i went with that crazy theme and made a small list lol.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4639/dreamcooling.jpg
i wonder what flow and pressure that setup would get though.
Hahah, nice list:up: When will you order?:rofl:
when you ship the gold brick to pay for it :). well i will be nice and pay that shipping lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by woffen
64 vents:eek2:
let us know when you are powering up.
I'd like to see weather changes around the globe:scope::up:
64 fans. That will maybe achieve time travel, with enough jiggowatts.
http://pneumaticaddict.files.wordpre...pg?w=300&h=295
you should learn how to fabricate parts out of unobtainium. The unique thermal properties lower loop temperatures by at least 10 C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
:rofl::rofl::up:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Just a preview on how dual ddc top V2 will look like with mounted reservoir.
dammit eddy, if i knew you were posting :banana::banana::banana::banana: i wouldnt have put on some of my own just now. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
When do you plan on releasing triple top that looks just like this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
There are those of us that have been running dual D5's since the days when the DDC failed like crazy (the powerful one) and the only DDC pump top available was the radical, or DIY. Maybe I got lucky, but I cant hear both my D5 inside my case. So for me a 5 1/4 mountable double top is perfect, especially since I run 1 loop.
For me, redundancy > performance > tap water > bling. DDC just didnt offer the security that the D5 did. Now it may be different, but Im not buying 2 new pumps and a new top just to fit in ;)
if u already have the D5's then this product is a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmer411
Jimmer im talking about if u needed a new package or you only have 1 d5.
There where times before the one u're referring, with brown impeller DDC's that didn't fail and the only available top was Alphacool...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmer411
no he's talking about the red impeller DDC's.
The ones that had about a 1/4 failure rate.
At least thats what jab-tech john told me. He hated the red DDC-2's because he was always sending one back.
I know m8. DDC had it's ups and downs but generally it's a more suited solution for hw enthusiast crowd. Not that D5 isn't a great pump, sure if there hasn't been any DDC, we would all be running D5's...
no id go back to my RD-30. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
Eddy, any update on the ETA of this new top? Wondering when we might see this in a couple US stores..Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Thanks
Hmmm...interesting...I have your (now old) dual DDC top with pumps on opposing sides...I wonder if this will offer any performance improvement or difference other than being able to attach a reservoir directly to it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Hello,
I want to share with you some photos of the Dual Top for Laing D5 / Swiftech MCP655. I tried to find on the web some detailed photos but didn't succeed, so I hope this will be interesting for you.
Some more
that is sex...
Some others
And the last one
Nice pics. Now just waiting for some in action:)
Eddy, just so you know, you have the BEST looking boxes ever! They're AMAZING!
I'm sorry for the light conditions of the photo, I made them quickly this evening.
Why did I choose to use 2 pumps into my system? I why did I choose the Dual Top?
- redundancy: I have a monitoring for my watercooling system, software based but also controller based. Aquacomputer Aquaero full options (flow sensor, temperature sensor for liquid, components, ...). The controller is able to open the green cable of the 24pin ATX power cable (aditional option connected to the controller, that you plug between PSU and ATX connector on the Mobo), in case of emergency (you define alarm levels into the controller ). And to shut down the computer without any software agent running if necessary (pump failure, temperature that exceed defined alarm tresholds, ...). But... I'd rather like not to use this extreme safety solution and that's why I choosed to remove this single point of failure adding a second pump
- flexibility: I don't know for the moment if I want to setup a single or dual loop system. If you have any advice for this, you're welcome, I'll upgrade my existing watercooling loop this week, I'm waiting for 2 missing products that I'll receive on Wednesday. But anyway, there I can choose to have a single or dual output, and I like this flexibility (in case of... not sure it's really useful for me)
- design: hum... nothing very usefull but I don't like the stock top of the Laing D5 pump... it's horrible. I prefer the Acetal top, it looks better.
- integration: I want to remove the pumps from the pc chassis, and put the pumps externally in a dedicated and DIY chassis (maybe, I'll see). It's easier for me to use the mouting brackets delivered with the dual top than fixing two pumps separately
- fittings: I'm using 1/2 tubing... and... plug this tube on the Laind D5 stock ouput... it's very hard (need some hot water...). With the Dual Top I'll be able to use the EKWB 1/4-1/2 barbed fittings I really like to use. Easy to use, and safe for sure.
Why EKWB and not another product? Because until now I've ordered some products directly in Slovenia and I was happy with the price/quality balance, also happy with the contact with Eddy. So... except for the CPU Waterblock, I'm very satisfied with EKWB products. ;) I did not try all the products on the earth, for sure, I'm just giving you a small feed back.
Best regards ;)
cyril
Will be done this week, I'm waiting for the LINK option to fix the reservoir on the dual top, and also waiting for a new CPU Waterblock from Watercool (HK 3.0 Copper). Then I'll be able to compare my existing setup and the new setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tackleberry
For the moment with a single D5 pump, a EKWB Supreme on the CPU and a EKWB FC GTX285 Rev 2 on the graphic card, also a High Flow sensor and 2 inline temp sensor + a 480mm HardwareLabs Black Ice SR1 rad, and a EKWB Res150 rev 2 reservoir, I have a 250Liter/hour flow on a single loop. Tubing 1/2.
I'm curious to compare the flow with a dual D5, and to compare it with a dual d5 + dual top.
I can do it why not. Without any waterblock. I have to disassemble all the existing watercooling system (i change the tubes from white to black color). I can setup a testing configuration with 2x D5 + res 150 and the flow sensor connected to the Aquaero controller. Then compare it to a mono D5 setup. And finally compare it with a 2x D5 + Dual top + res + flow sensor.
As I have to make pre-production testing... I can do it, why not, I have old tube and special water for that. I don't promise that I'll do it, but I'll try. ;)
release date?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Two questions:
Pictures of the white version? (available at sidewinder, apparently)
Anyone have data on flow rates and maximum pressure w/ 2 DDC's w/ a dual top vs the same 2 DDC's in series? Skinnee has tested 2 w/ a dual top vs a single pump :(
Would love to see data w/ this product tho.
Thanks!
John
Here is the white version John.
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/me.../2/52157_0.jpg
Scaniris , nice pics, thanks for share .
I really do wish that I saw this before purchasing all the extra mods for my MCP-655. I would have just bought another pump and this top along with the res. It's very sleek and nice.
Dual 655s in 1 package + pump = sex
Hello,
I found a review that I saw in the past and that may answer some questions: http://www.skinneelabs.com/Pumps/D5/D5-Tops-main.html
Comparison between D5 with stock, or EKWB top (and with a Koolance pump) about pressure and flow.
But for the dual top I found nothing.
no anti cyclone on res eddy?
:( I thought I was done with D5's.
:rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
You should have known better Skinnee. :)
I was wondering the same thing too...Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Maybe you could plug it ''reverse'' (not sure it's the right word in english to say what I mean...), I mean fix the reservoir on the dual top with the Multioption LINK, and on top of the reservoir, instead of fixing a reservoir top, you fix a reservoir bottom, available as spare part, and the anti cyclone on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Like this (from top to bottom):
Multioption Bottom (http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/re...tom-rev-2.html ) > Anti cyclone > Multiption tube 10cm or more > Multioption LINK ( http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/re...tion-link.html ) > Dual Top D5 or Dual Top DDC
I don't see any other way to use the anti cyclone, except with a X Res top for a single pump. Maybe it's a project to add a fixing point for anti cyclon on Dual Top?
But as said... why is it necessary (except for ''look and feel'' reasons or maybe ease of use when filling the loop with coolant) to use more that a small reservoir? I think that my current Res 150 is too much... a small reservoir is enough that's why I choosed the 6cm one for the dual top. Yes it's a little bit longer to fill the loop.
And if you are using a 6cm reservoir tube, I don't think the anti-cyclone option is really useful. I'll see it tomorrow. I'll take some pics because I also have a Res150 rev 2 reservoir with anti cyclone and I can test to mount the bottom with anti cyclone on top of the reservoir on the Dual Top D5. Why not. If I have some cyclone issues. I'll give you some feed back. And photos of the cyclon if I get one ;)
You can place a fitting inside of the reservoir so the sucking would be higher than the inlet. But the cyclone was mostly problem with the multioption reservoirs as the inlet was not in the center.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
i didnt realize before but..now i look more u cant use the bitspower dressup kit with this top huh... :(
nice piece but high price
dingdong-thanks for the pics! that's great. got a black and white build going...
Really? I have 2 DDC/XRes's that had pretty serious cyclones even with the inlet in the middle. Anti-cyclone plates fixed that. That said since the inlet is threaded you could use BP anti-cyclone inserts if necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Are you going to be putting a Warranty void if removed sticker on all your blocks Eddy? I always open my blocks to check the oring and to clean. Even tho you have the new testing machine.
Hi!Quote:
Originally Posted by bentleya
Yes, we are putting those an all blocks now after they are being seal tested. But remember that this just voids warranty on sealing, and not manufacturing defects if any present.
Eddy
Yes also that ones had cyclons, bot just because of being relatively small. If the tube of 150 or 250 res would be there it would be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibbler