Now available at Danger Den's online store: http://www.dangerden.com/store/sr1-fan-optimized/
Nice to see HWLabs releasing some low FPI radiators :up:
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Now available at Danger Den's online store: http://www.dangerden.com/store/sr1-fan-optimized/
Nice to see HWLabs releasing some low FPI radiators :up:
DAMN they aren't cheap.
WOW. Wonder if these are worth the extra 40$ over the RX480....
Wow 9FPI
And
"Full electrostatic polyurethane painting finish"
My favorite thing about HWlabs rads
Interesting...
The only two things stopping me from using HWLabs was the high FPI and the price. Seems they've knocked one of those on the head!
They've always had good build quality.:yepp:
Without doubt, the best looking radiator to date and i hear the performance isn't bad either ;)
I was lucky enough to get my hands on these SR-1's a while back and all i can say is, they are absolutely top quality and i can't believe how quiet they are.
Using a 240 on the GFX loop and a custom X-Flow 360 on the CPU's on the Zotac mod box and loving them :up:
Also had one painted up for my next mod :)
how are the reviews on these got anyone? I was debating over the black ice (originals) vs the feser and it seemed the feser 480 was better due to its low fpi and could use lower spin fins vs the black ice anything above 1800 was a win thast too loud though.
Well, it looks like HWLabs has started to pull their heads out of their arses but haven't quite gotten them out all the way yet. If these are truly as quiet as I think they may be, these rads should have been given the "stealth" moniker. There is still the matter of the thin tubes from the look of it. They should have added a few more tubes per pass to reduce the amount of restriction these rads impose on the flow.
I know HWL sometimes visit this site so I'll take this opportunity to say, get a new marketing dept. . .PLEASE! Stuff like this
is very vague. If you have a true performer, spell it out in clear language that can be compared directly to every other rad on the market, in other words, stop hiding behind percentages.Quote:
Features:
* Two-pass u-flow configuration utilizing high-flow tubes for up to 40% increase in internal flow rates.
* Custom compressed core width to maximize airflow and enhance heat exchange.
* Optimized custom 9 FPI (Fins Per Inch) 45 micron copper maximized conductivity.
* Yields up to 30% more heat exchange capacity than the Black IceŽ GTX in ultra-stealth operation mode up to 2000rpm.
* Built-in 15mm deep plenum for equalized core air pressure distribution.
* M4 Threaded Screw Holes for easier mounting and greater adaptability.
* Standard G 1/4" female threaded fittings.
* Full high-temper brass structural construction for weight reduction and superior corrosion resistance.
* High performance compact radiator compatible as an upgrade to the Black IceŽ Xtreme, Black IceŽ GTX and most 120mm form factor radiators.
* Uses 100% Non-corrosive water-soluble fluxing process.
* Fully RoHS compliant.**Expected Q3 2009**
* Full electrostatic polyurethane painting finish for uniform coating with high temperature curing for increased finish durability.
* Carbon Black Finish
* Renowned Black IceŽ quality.
* Patent Pending Design.
Back on topic
Now, on to my :2cents: about the "features" I've highlighted.
Hmm, really? Looks like the same 1.2mm tubing from the images @DD. How is that high flow?. . .and what is this 40% increase compared to?Quote:
Two-pass u-flow configuration utilizing high-flow tubes for up to 40% increase in internal flow rates
:rofl: That can't be too hard to accomplish. (where's the facepalm smilie?)Quote:
Yields up to 30% more heat exchange capacity than the Black IceŽ GTX in ultra-stealth operation mode up to 2000rpm.
Steath referred to the ability to install a rad in a discreet location not noise. The GTX rads performed extremely well with medium to high speed fans (go dig up the tests if you doubt me).Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
thanks for the link
this might be my next upgrade :)
what do you have now? Im debating still havent seen any reviews on them on the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
Will it work better then the 480GTX with high rpm fans ?
Can't find 480GTX in stock anywhere, might get these instead...
I can only assume YES I mean they are claiming with low fans this is an improvement now put high fans in there and it should get it cooler...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blizzy
you're in luck i have 3 480gtx's ...used price is 30% less than new price ..pm me if you in the usa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blizzy
i have the 480 gtx....the dense fin count...is a little too much for my gentle typhoons...Quote:
Originally Posted by JOCKTHEGLIDE
this is an upgrade for sure :)
Another option (XSPC RX480) for a bit less $$:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25390
thanks but i support my countrymenQuote:
Originally Posted by rambler358
hwlabs radiators are from the philippines :D
doubt it, the low FPI is optimized for lower speed fans. the GTX has high FPI which are optimized for more powerful fans. Higher FPI rads tend to scale very fast compared to low FPI rads as air flow and pressure increases.Quote:
Originally Posted by JOCKTHEGLIDE
This is why I went with GTS rads over MCR due to the speed of the fans I'm going to run the GTS will outperform the MCR's, I can definitely attest that with fans like San Aces running full blast, which I do at Lans etc where I have headphones on the GTX and GTS will blow away pretty much any other rads in their respective sizes(120.x and thickness).
Didn't know that! Oh, and so is my wife. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
Needs a L in the middle...
then it turns into a SLR~!!!
RAWR~
screw L just needs 7, then it will be SR-71!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
0 - 60 in less then 4 seconds...
vs
Los Angeles to NYC in under 2 hours...
OK SR-71 it is!
sounds interesting, wonder how well it preforms in actual testing
I really curious about Black Ice SR1 480 performance results between Feser QUAD 480 rad. :rolleyes: Plus their price are as high as Feser for now. :eek: After this summer, I'll upgrade my loops and I am thinking about 2x Feser QUAD now. However, I'll check Black Ice series rads performance results before I got my Feser QUADs of course.
Thanks for the news mate.
Cheers,
Arthur
what would be considered worth it? lol Some people value spending another 50 dollars for a 2 degree decrease in temperature. Not me..Quote:
Originally Posted by lollerskater69
damn that hurst much when you think about it does sound ricidulous...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
These rads are great for the low rpm fan people. I will stick with the GTX as it performs awesome. Nice to see some extra choices though. Would love to see some numbers on this as I pretty much put marketing claims in the garbage until I see proof.
I can see why you would prefer the GTX hehe considering that monster fan you have in ur sig!!! HOLY COWQuote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
yeah wow I just clicked on that link and wow just wow speechless thats an out all fan going crazy...Quote:
Originally Posted by silverphoenix
DB, sorry but, your wrong on this. Here is a direct copypaste of HW Labs hype from their own site for the GTS120. I've highlighted the points of interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Not once in their hype do they mention anything about "stealth" pertaining to "discreet installation".Quote:
The Black IceŽ GT Stealth 120 is the first true next generation PC radiator designed for uncompromising performance and stealth silent operation. The GTS120 boasts of a radically redesigned Black IceŽ core technology that maximizes heat transfer efficiency and maintains effectively the same compact profile of the Black IceŽ Pro.
Features
* Two-pass U-flow tank configuration.
* Custom MaxFin™ 25 micron Copper Splitter Fin Configuration utilizing 45% thinner fin material yielding up to 50% less pressure drop even with twice the fin density.
* Unique fin configuration eliminates intra-louver accumulation of dust particles for trouble free operation.
* Unprecedented Ultra-high 30 FPI (Fins Per Inch) fin density providing dramatically increased heat transfer surface area.
* Custom low-profile 19.0 x 1.2mm MaxFlow™ tubes with 15% more waterside surface area and 60% frontal area reduction for superior low air-resistance aerodynamics and lower internal flow requirements.
* Yields up to 20% more heat exchange capacity than the Black IceŽ Pro in both Stealth or Performance modes.
* Achieves Black IceŽ Xtreme level performance in stealth mode (low-noise/low-airflow conditions).
* M4 Threaded Screw Holes for easier mounting and greater adaptability.
* Now standard G 1/4" female threaded fittings.
* Full high-temper brass structural construction for weight reduction and superior corrosion resistance.
* High performance compact radiator compatible as an upgrade to the Black IceŽ Pro and most 120mm form factor radiators.
* Uses 100% Non-corrosive water-solluble fluxing process.
* Fully RoHS compliant.
* Full electrostatic polyurethane painting finish for uniform coating with high temperature curing for increased finish durability.
* Renowned Black IceŽ quality.
* Patent Pending Design.
Dimensions
Back on topic, again
I will say I am looking forward to getting some performance numbers on these. Dimensions look to be roughly the same height and width as the other BI rads but thickness looks to be roughly in the area of 40mm*.
Edit: *Noticed 15mm shroud was only on one side of rad which would make it thinner. :hitself:
They look nice, but that pricing is too high for my wallet.
Interesting, yet another ridiculously priced radiator option. I wonder what the $78 price difference between the SR1 360 and an MCR-320QP could get you in terms of better components these days... :rolleyes:
this^Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Which has always been my point (and MANY others). Why buy one thick rad when you can have two thin ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Well, I'm a silence freak, which is why I'm such a big fan of the XSPC RX series... they offer low FPI and a semi-boutique status, but managed to keep the price reasonable. As far as this, I can't imagine somone forking out the cash for the SR1's vs. the XSPC RX.Quote:
Originally Posted by faster3200
^^^I'm going to stop and give this guy a plug..
made me a beautiful grille for my HWLabs GTX560..
I'm still looking for a case to fit it in..:rofl:
You are right. I wasn't being entirely fair, which I realized after I posted and just hoped no one would call me on it :p:. I am currently using an older BI rad, so I am mildly hypocritical (purchased used though).Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
I feel a bit sad with this rad. HWLabs makes amazing high RPM rads that I actually enjoy and now they are in a totally over crowded market. We already have Thermochill, XSPC, and Feser, do we really need more?
This is true, I hope HW Labs keeps making the GTX rads for high speed fans, along side these new SR1's. Even though I don't ever use high speed fans because of the noise, I know a lot of you guys like them. But if HW Labs quits the high-speed fan segment of the market, then we all lose the right to choose. Regardless of the fate of the GTX line however, these new SR1's are giving me a perfect excuse for a new build, 'cuz man you see, I just love my little GTS rad that I got, it's freakin' awesome, and it's only 25mm thick. (note: when I saw "awesome" I mean it appeals to me, and I know the performance is not even on par with an MCR320, but so what, I still love it anyway, and all the p!ss you can pour on it won't change my mind.) So, I just gotta get my hands on one of those 480 SR1's. I just have to get a purchase order approval from my boss, err, I mean wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by faster3200
IMO Hwlabs makes the best quality rads as far as fit and finish (TC is right up there as well), but it's just hard for me to justify an extra $40 for a 360 rad just because it has a fancy paint finish. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by faster3200
Here are a couple of shots I took this evening...
http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...R1_profile.jpg
http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL..._end-tanks.jpg
http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...roud-tanks.jpg
Thought I would try a different angle...
http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...oud-length.jpg
Looks ok, didn't turn out how I wanted though.
Will get testing as soon as the lab is set back up. Looking forward to testing this rad though, always nice to see something different.
Looks to be top notch quality as expected...
im kinda disappointed @ the fact its priced @ par with full copper radiators.Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
It should be priced @ par with there GTX.
I like how they gave some space as a shroud. Also talk about a nice finish. The flat black looks great. Also it is obviously a side by side pass and not a over and under pass like the GTX so I am wondering on performance here.
KOOLANCE makes some radiators you can get a quad for 80 bucks...whoo hooooQuote:
Originally Posted by iandh
So whats the dimensions? if it is within 40mm its a winner
end tank to end tank: 397mm
thickness: 55mm
side panel to side panel: 132mm
Dang, I was right the first time. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
core size (LxWxH): 360mm x 131mm x 34mm
atleast according to my measurements.
Yeah, um good luck with that... :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Is that side panel to side panel outside dimension?Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
yes. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
Nice, skinnee!
Looking forward to seeing how it does. :)
thanks skinnee
I went ahead and bought the quad setup for my HTPC...hope its good if not better than feser 480 I had only 1200rpms rans on those and it cooled my system prety good.
skinnee-
I thought I saw some speculation about this, but figured I would ask since you have a couple rads to compare among.
Would you say the pipes on the SR1 are larger or about the same size as those on the GTX series? How about other rads for that matter?
Yeah, I know, HW Labs' marketing jargon says something about 'high-flow tubes', but that doesn't tell me anything about reality
TIA
Thanks Skinnee!
Look forward to seeing some pressure drop curves too. The tubes look different, maybe less restrictive too?
Also can you tell if the flow passes are still the old front to back style or changed?
Thanks!
Martin
Nice pics skinnee!
Shame about the price. Looking forward to a review.
Some more quick shots, SR1 with her older sister.
http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...-SR1_wGTX1.jpg
Better shot of the tubes and fins.
http://skinneelabs.com/Radiators/HWL...s-SR1_wGTX.jpg
Two pass - dual row, the tubes are back to 2mm width versus the 1.3 in the GTX. I'm counting 10FPI too. Must move faster on the lab move...I really want to run the thermals on this lovely lady.
my fave rads :D yummy :D
Wow that looks fantastic, I've always been very impressed with HWLabs' quality and consistency. Looking forward to your results as always.:) I predict on par with newer PA 120.3 given more or less the same physical specs.
so we've all seen that every rad mfg is jumping on the TC bandwagon...
Feser... me too TC...
XSPC... me too TC...
HWLabs... now yet another me too TC...
i guess it's good for us in that there will be many to choose from... and we won't have to bear with the TC's lack of availability any more... but... i'm not really impressed at the release of this rad... dunno why...
the only real excitement this release really brings to the market is that now, the consumer got choices and this time, QC and Customer Service matters... if they suck... we got choices... gives us more power to choose with our wallets.
performance wise, i'm sure we'll get yet another colorful line on the graphs that are near each other...
i much rather know if a 140 sized rad is worth the effort of fitting in our builds in comparison to the 120 size rads...
start comparing...
140.3 vs 120.3
140.3 vs 120.4
High FPI @ 140mm vs Low FPI @ 140mm
just my 2 cents...
I'm impressed that even with the limited things you can do to improve the "low fpi thick" rad market HW labs at least tried integrating "shrouds" into it.
Although IMHO I think for the equivalent price and size per se I think a setup like
BI GTS 360 with med push pull fans can perform just as well if not better than any of these thick rads with just one set of fans.
I guess that would depend on your build and how much cooling your required. Usually I go for whatever I can fit into a case. If I can fit a 140.3 then so be it as that is what will go in.Quote:
Originally Posted by kinghong1970
Nice!:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Any word if they plan to make a 560 out of this new SR1 style?
That's the rad size/density that I've been waiting for..:yepp:
That's a quad 140mm radiator. Holy hell. I feel like anything over 120.3 would just be impossible to handle, and only for e-peen - case in point, the 560 GTX doesn't fit inside anything and it's overkill for probably 100% of loops that feature one, unless someone absolutely insists on cooling CPU, chipset, Vreg, RAM, multiple video cards, hard drives, and RAM in one loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Depends on your fan selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by daftDavid
You can see 5X or more performance using high speed fans vs. very slow speed fans.
I also want to see far less than 5C water delta and I also want to use 1000RPM fans, perhaps slower if I can.
A quad 480GTX is only good for about 150 watts @ a 5C delta using 1000RPM fans:
http://martin.skinneelabs.com/img/HW...ermalGraph.png
So the combination of
1000RPM fans + <5C water delta = Ridiculously big radiator sizes
So...while it may seem oversized....it's not if you want really really good performance and want to use really low speed fans..
Radiator performance really goes down the crapper when you start talking sub 1000RPM fan speeds and especially with high density designs. Low density is a fair amount better with this, but still not anything like using stronger fans.
And sure it's not necessary, but it would be fun...
SR1's now in stock @ FrozenCPU
SR1's in stock @ SideWinderComputers too LOL! :up:
And PPCs three :)
Picked up a couple triples, should have them Thursday.. Hated to buy before I seen some testing, but I guess radiators are like Hookers, can't all be tested before you buy them.
Where I can buy this babies (4x120 and 2x120) in Europe ? 4x120 will fit in bottom of TJ-07 ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
skinnee-
I'm slightly confused by these two measurements..
The overall thickness of this rad you measured at 55mm. Given there is a 15mm plenum on this rad on both sides (judging from the pics you posted), wouldn't this mean the core is only 25mm thick? Or is the plenum only 15mm on one side and not the other?
Thanks!
The 15mm plenum is only on the one side, opposite of the barb ports.
:up: Ketzer
I wish they would have put the plenum on the other side, so you could put the fans in "pull"
Ok, awesome, thanks skinnee! I knew I was missing something, sorry about that :shakes:
On a related follow-up question, how do the SR1's measurements stack up to something like the TC PA series of rads? I know TC lists a 10mm plenum on their rads, is that also only on one side of the rad? I was guessing something like a 40mm core thickness based on TC's measurements, but I have no idea if that's accurate or not. I'm just curious if the TC has a larger core or basically the same.
Thanks again. :up:
u have one problem with 140mm.... the limited selection in fans.
And i dont think the overall increase from a 120 to 140 at the cost of better fan selection is gonna give u much of a win.
Id rather be on a 120 version with awesome fans, then a 140 with average fans. :P
And i agree with alex... 78 dollars in additional cost will net u better cooling in something.
At the very least, its dinner with girlfriend/wife so she can stop nagging u when you buy more computer parts.
and that's my main reason why i cannot commit to a 140mm rad at the moment...Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
tho what am i going to do with 8x140mm medium yates i purchased from Petras... hmm....
The TC has the 10mm plenum on both sides where the SR1 has a 15mm plenum opposite the barb ports and a 6mm plenum on the barb port side...and the TC does have a 40mm core thickness. So you're looking at 34mm core vs. a 40mm core, we'll see what the pressure drop numbers look like later tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer7
any updates skinne, on the sr1?
Fans are mounted and ready for testing, have to get this RD-30 out of the loop and sensors on. Taking me longer than I planned to get my lab in order.
In progress I guess... :up:
some progress is better then no progress! :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
you dont have any sFlex fans to use on the SR1 by anychance do you?
im soo exited about this one,
Thanks skinnee
Hi! Have just started with my first WC build, and waiting my very first radiator in the mail this days, the choice fell on the Hardware Labs's - Black Ice SR1 480. Are unsure if this is performing best in push or pull. Someone who knows? Has gone for 4 * Black Noise Noiseblocker Multiframe S-Series M12-S2 51.2 CFM @ 1250u/min to this. I hope them will transport heat from the water to air and away from the radiator well in push setup with respect to the design of the case i got.
Some who have any affiliations?
Should i selected some lower rpm fans?
AL
See Martin's testing of different fan orientations on a single rad:
http://martin.skinneelabs.com/Radiat...ng-Review.html
testing is complete...review writing in progress...
:sofa:
Niiice Can't wait, I actually have been really looking forward to this one...been planning on using SR1s in the new build and want to be sure, because you know I bugged you enough about the stupid measurements of it :D :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Good news skinnee can't waite any longer .
thanks! useful page. Nailed it:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketzer7
BUMPITY BUMP. hint hint. lol
Come one Skinnee, please, :D
I received my SR1 today - it´s a really nice radiator ! :) My comparison against XSPC 480 - TC 120.4 - TC 140.3 - and the TFC Quad comes in a week or two
http://www.abload.de/img/img_1638n4ro.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_163251nh.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_1643lxt4.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_1652q8h1.jpg
Working on the conclusion... trying to balance work and everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by justin.kerr
...look at this "little baby" :D That´s a real MONSTER :)
http://www.abload.de/img/img_1741m2us.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_1721f2sp.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_1722y3ny.jpg
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http://www.abload.de/img/img_1729f5wb.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9992/img1732.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_1749cpse.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_171370d3.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_1716q47k.jpg
I know you guys have been waiting patiently... and the wait is over. Check out the full review, I'll have the forum version available later.
skinnee labs - HWLabs SR1 360 Review
Thanks so much for the review.. !!
For very low RPM performance seems ok, but for the price, it seems to be a pretty poor performer.
Very nice, Skinnee! :up:
I'm actually a little excited about this release. Even though performance was a little "boring" (practically the same as every other top rad), it seems they've done everything right with this rad, IMO. I also like how they release it in every known rad size. One or two 560s with very low speed fans in an external setup should be really nice.
alacheesu: yes, you've got it right... it performs on par with other "low speed optimized" or slim radiators. You'll see it when I get the updated triples comparison out, but I need to finish the write-up for the MCR320-Stack first, which I want to get out ASAP as I owe it to Gabe.
One other thing to note, most of the other rad reviews are using the Water Out-Air In calc so its tough to cross compare presently. I've put my work laptop down for the night and am working on the MCR320-Stack, Triple Comparison and updating the previous reviews with the new Water Avg-Air In calcs.
Perfect timing! :) Trying to make a decision on what rads to buy right now and this certainly helps.
Many thanks for the review skinnee! :up:
Bought me this SR1 480 now. Have some Black Noise Noiseblocker Multiframe S-Series S3 (73CFM) jo pull the warm air out off it whit. Just under 2000rpm I think. Should be fun to see what its good for.
Where I can get Black Ice SR1 560 ?
That puzzled me too. Bought one, and indeed it's a genuine HWLabs 140mm sized radiator, with the usual packaging and included bits of hardware. The fins etc. totally fit the specs. Nice piece of radiator there, the core part really looks like the ones of Thermochill and XSPC (i also have those so i can compare visually at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterFlex
So, good for us europeans i guess. Got mine from the 2nd link you posted, serious shop, at least for national customers (no idea if they ship overseas).