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This is C0 stock:
http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/...DSmkxeAiSY.jpg
This is C1 at 3.975Ghz. You can see the stepping number changed i CPU-Z.
http://news.mydrivers.com/img/20081010/06012456.jpg
This was done by the folks from Coolaler (high percentage NOT cherry), with just a C1 stepping. Looks like C2 is really gonna be something.
Bonus:
http://www.coolaler.com.tw/toppc/AMD45NM/AM2INFO.JPG
if this is indeed the average oc, i just made a bad, bad purchase by getting the 9950BE >.<
Just to make the number round...
http://www.coolaler.com.tw/toppc/AMD45NM/4G.JPG
I wouldn't exactly call the Scythe Orochi average cooling, but very good clocking nonetheless. Clocking should be good assuming it gets better with each stepping and even just with time for a stepping. Lots of money getting spent this winter break...
haha in doing the same thing, im glad that i saved some money for deneb, still waiting 6500+ which i ordered week or two ago :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldguy932
Well i do have all ready around 700 euros for new pc :P ( i have 3870 which is good enough to run WoW )
Assuming CPUZ is reading volts correctly, 1.6V on 45nm is rather high. I'd be curious as to what a typical 24/7 overclock at like 1.45 volts is like.
Why such a low HT link?
What was the actual vCore? Surely it wasn't 1.6V for 45nm gear?
Is CPU-Z displaying correct vCore (1.600)? :shocked: Is that the DKA790GX Platinum in the pic? :)
what mobo is that? SB600 or 750?
750
That voltage seems to high for it to be 24/7 usable.
If it only goes to 1.37 volts or so before it's unsafe like intel's 45nm cpu's overclocking could not be nearly as good as we thought.
Though 4.0 out of a 2.3 is a very impressive overclock. Normally wouldn't a faster one be able to overclock more at less volts?
Which would mean 3.0 deneb may get really good overclocks.
AMD's SOI is nowhere as sensitive to volts(at least not at 65nm) as intels HK/mg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
That being said,i wouldn't want to run 1.6V through my Deneb chip.
We must keep in mind this is still not a production stepping.When C2 stock 3Ghz deneb is reviewed on a SB750,i will base my opinion.This is a good promise though(C1 OCing)
Screenshots are fake, Phenoms can't over clock, there are no AMD motherboards that can run 4.00 ghz chips, AMD causes malaria in puppies, i7 will overclock to 8ghz while using 0 electricities per hyperjule and motherboards that cost less than $300 are a waste of time. Okay think I saved some people some time, please continue.
^
I second this notion. Let's keep it focused.
Not trying to throw water on the flames of excitement here but a couple of points -
1. That is a suicide CPU-Z shot, wait to see the application stable clocks at 24/7 capable operation.
2. Running that voltage on this CPU is nuts, well for 95% of the people that will be using it. ;)
3. Deneb is really really nice, just these numbers are a bit misleading right now. Not to say that clocks near this range will not be possible with the right setup, but the processor still has another revision coming before final opinions can be drawn.
When I read the first line I thought what happened to you suddenly:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
@MrMojoZ
+1 :d
props for atleast being funny with the responseQuote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
so can we see some benchies and temps? whats a good stable clock for just running a 3d app like 3DmarkVan?
^ Yes, that would be rather fun to see.
Request this to the guys at Coolaler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Whoa, damn impressive.
Im unsure about the 1.6Vcore part though:p: I'd love to see some stock Vcore clocks as well. But since they reach this high, on air, does sound promising nonetheless.
But as Bingo already said, it's still not the final revision. Lets hope things improve or at least dont drop. But thus far AMD is doing a very nice job:clap:
is it ok if i have no idea who they are? he didnt post a link so i figured he knew them personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by ubuntu83
Considering how quickly adding voltage quits adding headroom, I'd say this C1 looks very promising (if it is an "average" sample). That would seem to indicate what, like 3.5-3.6 at (more) sane voltages we're likely to use? :)
good news :)
http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=191848Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
My (whatever language that is) is a little rusty though.
Err, no requests for benches please. If marks are leaked, jobs will be at stake!
Serious. :D (I read Chinese, and that was the OP's request)
Also might we ask what temp that was running at?
For all we know, it could be at 100 degrees celcius and why must it always be in Chinese. I'm American I'm not smart enough to learn Chinese lol.
CPU-Z must be showing the wrong voltage because in the link in the last page shows a pic of cpu-z with the CPU at stock speeds with the same voltage reading of 1.6V.
the google translator did an ok job, but so many weird sentences that made no sense.
either way this is great news to me. i just want one that runs 3.5-3.6 at a low safe voltage on my water loop. now can we get some damn pricing AMD. i hope they give these out at low clock speeds so the prices will be sub 300$ sure it would be nice to see them put out 3.0ghz chips at a high price to get back some money, i would like to see their stock prices go up for once
It could be or the guy decided to change it down and not change the voltage...which would be odd but a tease to all who want to know normal voltages.
He might not be able to leak that either.
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
I can't wait for AMD to step back up and be competitive in the Enthusiast market once again. It's been too long.
I loved having the choice between chips, seing which ways people swayed and why, and of course, the price competitiveness :up: Is that a word?
He didn't post much more info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
The other posts were fellow members cumming. :p:
http://www.coolaler.com.tw/toppc/AMD45NM/INFO.JPG
more info and for those who are asking for the stock voltage don't know about the 4 Ghz though
Why is this identified as C0 though?
the 45nm version runs at 1.24v stock? is that high considering the 65nm runs stock volts in that range aswell?
Might also be the upper range too. Like the q6600 has a range from 0.85 to 1.35, or something like that, and mine is a 1.325v chip so it is near the top (and it shows too by its overclock lol :rolleyes:). It is prepro as well, that might be part of it. Also remember being something new CPUZ may not be reporting correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
IIRC the OP is an MSI engineer(not sure if he is a software or hardware engineer though).The C0 chip is probably the one from the same batch as the one at itocp forum and later at hardspell.The C1 came some time later,so he has both of these now.I suspect that this close to launch he has a C2 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
100C... I think the chip woldnt run anymore. I think, since no obvious CPU load is present, that it ran at 40~45C if ambient was 20~25C. Not sure though, just a guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman787
And you dont have to learn Chinese really, in anyway there will be always someone able to translate it.
Although... I want to learn either Chinese or Japanese:p:
I´m are a Xtreme member and i dont fear high voltage :rolleyes: , why use this forum if you not is a xtreme member?
Bh5 loves vdimm and they want more and more......its almost same with cpus.....the scream until they cant take anymore. If it dies buy a new one?
Push it hard :up
On the last page of that forum guy called Jenex is showing CPU-Z screens from a Deneb CPU running DDR3! :confused:
Of course we can't be sure if they are legit, but same can be told about all the other SS.
Can't wait for my new CPU!
That post reveals one very interesting tidbit,apart from DDR3(if legit of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
It list an ES clock speed of 2.6Ghz with a NB clock at 2.2Ghz, 10% over what we have now with 65nm Agena.So i guess we can expect more on the NB clock front with Deneb,even if we have to wait for AM3 boards,which is good news.
http://ken2005.googlepages.com/tilapia4.jpg
:clap: High voltage FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
Must guys don't even dare to run there 45 chips higher then 1.5v lol.
Yay, lets buy Deneb and reach only 4ghz with 1.6v. I hope these chips will do better voltage wise. For benching I don't care about voltage at all, but for 24/7 i do :)
Anyone know what we're going to be at for stock voltage on 45nm?
You can be sure of NB clock increase ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
As for Deneb I can't say for sure but I will predict 2.4-2.6GHz for AM3 parts.
Here is some very old info I've got from AMD.
Attachment 86638
:rolleyes:
If Opteron gets 2.2GHz NB then desktop parts can only be faster :up:.
This is very exciting news.......I havent felt this excited to get a AMD cpu since the old xp2500 Barton on Nvidia NF7 days. I mean Ive upgraded regularly since then but only out of necessity and not just because there was something out there that I just had to have. This is definitely a cpu I just got to get if this info is true....go AMD!
god can someone just put me in a chemically induced coma until these come out. ive been waiting over a year for a real phenom and its so close, but no definitive dates or prices are making me crazy
Watch some political news coverage, your brain will take a vacation for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
i tried to watch the second debate, 15 minutes in i decided the future president wasnt going to say anything more interesting than watching Ironman for the first time, and in full 1080p
Ironman for Secretary of Defense '08!
(Yeah, that happened in the comics.)
reminds me of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104408/
I've often thought about what it would be like to put one's self on pause between interesting moments. I always wonder if you'd eventually run out of things to do, since pausing through so much would reduce the amount of "points" you'd want to go to as you complete them without having time to find new ones.
You would probably end up the same way Adam Sandler did in Click.
this is looking even more promising as the time approaches, I've stuck to my 5000+be waiting for deneb to come out (and not going to the b3s) and seems I've made the right move (except for the board back then, well I can't be perfect :D)
deneb with high volts FTW \m/
who do you think your are? belitteing possible replys before they are even made, or try to make fun of possible accusations of fake pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
there may be peeps here that actualy think that these are fake, but now feel, they will be seen to inflame the thread by possible legit comments.
how dare you, just because you swallow this , doesnt mean we all have to.
your post in itself is beyond me, pointless and begging for flaming, why not just get on with the post? and replys to the post?
and what makes it more interesting is that you got, so called ' i dont want hassle in my threads' agreeing with you..lol
you guys crack me up, you really dont want to hear a thing other than your hive aggreements ehh?
heres your mates sig, the irony here is that he agrees with you lot, but has adam curtis spewing rubbish about bloggers, when the exact same comment, can be applied to you lot with a few words changed, read on.
First of all, the people who write in forums, for example, are self-selecting. Quite frankly it's quite clear that what forum posters are bullies. The internet has removed a lot of constraints on them. You know what they're like: they're deeply emotional, they're bullies, and they often don't get out enough. And they are parasitic upon already existing sources of information - they do little research of their own.
What then happens is this idea of the 'hive mind', instead of leading to a new plurality or a new richness, leads to a growing simplicity
quote: Adam (PopBiitch) Curtis
nuff said
Right, because we all have to be perfectly okay for Intel fanboys coming here and taking a dump every time good news is spread about AMD products.....Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
Any super pi scores?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
How about a real benchmark?Quote:
AMD
Reported for flame baiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
:rofl: The joke is: soundood had a mod tell me he didn't want me to respond to his posts anymore(wtf??), but here he is responding to mine with this gibberish.
Okay whats something else that doesn't have a company bias? Didn't think Superpi didQuote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse
You have allot to learn indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Well I knew in the past it was intel bias but I didn't think it still was with newer versions. Haven't really checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Honestly I could care less, When it comes to WIC and COD4 benchmarks then I give a damn. But I don't expect to see them anytime soon so any kind od benchmark would be nice. Even if it is Intel biased be we can still compare this score to say a 9950 benchwark which we clearly have available
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
How is over 200 fps in COD4@ 2560x1600 sound to you on my setup ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Super Pi doesn't have any Intel bias, the suggestion that it does is the unhinged ravings of people too emotionally attached to AMD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Super Pi is single threaded so it will do better on the Intel as the Intel chip has been tuned to handle single threaded apps with its 4 IPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
You must of started enthusiast computing the same time as Glow9 to not know that.
Well single threaded or not a 4Ghz Phenom does 1mb in like 19 sec and a Q6600 at 3.2Ghz does around 16 seconds so somethings up. Unless all the extra cash in the Q6600 has is that much better *shrug* I'm curious why this isQuote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
It just runs better on intel chips. Always has as far as I remember, even when the A64 kicked the P4's butt the P4 was still quicker in superpi. Hardly what I'd call a good benchmark comparing the two companies, especially since it isn't multithreaded either. Can use it to compare intel CPUs to intel CPUs, or AMD CPUs to AMD CPUs if you really wanted to I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
Im not going to around go in circles about SuperPI, do your own home work and find out how it is complied & to what instructions it makes use of for you to see why its faster on the Intel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
How about a real multi threaded bench mark like Winrar Cpu Bench Mark as multi thread & multi tasking is the point of a quad cpu.
Well considering all this spawned from asking about a review. Anyone heard if these guys are going to be benchmarking them with these or anything else? I don't care I'd just like to see something and how hot it is at 1.6vQuote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
The guy already said no benches possible. Read page 2.
i think everyone in the amd section needs to stop posting for a whole week because chad and others obviously either don't know what they are talking about or just want to start trouble. maybe once deneb is released all the haters will leave this section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
this is hilarious
keep going guys,,
I agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
That doesn't mean the benchmark is "biased" or that it can't be of use to someone contemplating buying an AMD system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
As there is no one single benchmark that is adequate to give a true picture of performance, there is no reason why Super Pi can't be included in a suite of benchmarks to help people reach an informed decision.
Read my above reply to see how meaningless what you have written is.Quote:
You must of started enthusiast computing the same time as Glow9 to not know that.
You need to be more balanced in your postings.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
SuperPi itself is not biased, but obviously a biased person could spin the results that both Intel and AMD get on that benchmark.
I am not advocating that anyone determine a buying decision on SuperPi alone and would encourage a range of benchmarks be used.
Hopefully Deneb will be a winner for AMD and can topple Penryn in gaming tasks and challenge Nehalem too for gaming.
I see questionmarks above my head when I look in the mirror and think of this thread...
SuperPI is USELESS and you look pretty dull if the first bench you ask for is SuperPI. SuperPI is useless, results in SuperPI do not translate to equal results in real programs. Since Intels Core 2 line has a huge improvement over AMD on single threaded apps, but multi-threaded wise the roles have turned but the lack of multi-threaded benched vs the overhyped SuperPI benchmarks this does not make it biased how?
It might or might not be biased from the people behind SuperPI its self, but it's biased by the people who actively use it to show how much their PC does vs the rest. Compared on the same platform, no problem. Compared on different platforms, useless.
Ok fair enough.Can you please tell me what use do you find in SUperPi,what does it do for you and what kind of conclusion about one uarchitecture can you draw by looking at its SuperPi results?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
And please give me a straight anwser not some dodging bs this time.
Thanks
SuperPi is biasedQuote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
SuperPi is written with INTEL Complier, it pretty much has direct contact with Intel chips
AMD chips has to do a translation
That's why there is major difference in SuperPi times
No spinning , just a fact
Well not really.What really happens is that its dataset is small thus it benefits the chips with big caches(fits right in them) and second is it uses specific legacy x87 instructions which have very low latency on intel hw( a perfect combination of those that suits intel uarch.).It's practically a loop bench that runs awesome on CPU designs with big caches and low latency on specific x87 instructions(that no one uses since all software is migrating to SSE anyway,another point in favor of useless argument)
That being said,it's the most useless "CPU benchmark" that has near zero practical or theoretical use.One practical use is to run 1M test and see if your OC is even remotely stable,or run 32M and see if your ram OC speed is remotely stable.Theoretical use is the fact that it can be disassembled and studied to see what kind of designs it prefer(look 1st paragraph).
super pi is useless for judging amd cpus, it greatly favors intel's large extremely fast l2 cacheQuote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Guys I'm afraid that I have to agree with Lestat.
First of all, there's no absolute "unbiased" program. Period.
Second, if the developers decided to use the A tool instead of the B tool because they could do their job easier or faster or whatever with the A tool, that doesn't make the program or the programmers biased to a company.
Third, there is NO single benchmark that can represent the performance of a processor in all tasks and scenarios.
Fourth... AMD did more than well when they introduced the Athlon 64's in SuperPi, and were the king of SuperPi until people started benching Dothans ( the C2D design "starts at" Dothan's design ) [ in a way ].
Last for now... if you want to compare two CPUs, the only way to have a good image of their performance is testing them in a dozen benchmarks, two or three per scenario, 3 different number crunching benchmarks, 3 different CAD programs, 3 different database servers & patterns, etc.
Check this post out now with more results
http://forum.coolaler.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=73
exactly, you have to get a wide spectrum of results. But another reason why I think super pi is useless for amd is because phenom is only a second or two faster at the same clock where as it is much faster than k8 in multicore extensive tests and a a lot of fp tests (not a good representation of core improvement)
and how is this flame baiting? or giberish? you have show in your own text that you intend to ridicule any person that disputes this post, by saying that the pics are fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
people are entitled to express an opinion here without feeling that excisting forum members will belittle them, disagree you can.
bellitle and ridicule you cannot, there are rules here for that, that i have allready used against you via a mod, you can try and use those rules against me all you want, but i stand true here. there is nothing to punish.
you are the flame baiter, twice now in as many days, i will not be happy until they ban you here, until then i will point every bulliy post you mmake for everyone to see.
And Im getting sick of people constantly bickering off topic in almost every thread this :banana::banana::banana::banana: has nothing to do with the OP take it to PM's or get a room.:mad:
I really want to know how durable AMD's silicon is to even attempt, boot, and stay stable enough on air* to run long enough at 1.6vcore to get that screen shot LOL!
I'd like to know how high I can get it at 1.4vcore. If I can do 3.4Ghz I'll be happy as can be. If Deneb gives us IPC enhancement it will be AS FAST AS NEHALEM in real world gaming (not in Intel optimized synthetic tests, though, of course). Why do I say this? Well Nehalem much slower than Core 2's in non-multithread optimized games, just like K10 ironically. Seems like "server optimized" architectures aren't the best for gaming but they are the wave of the future. When software is optimized for Nehalem, K10/.5s will pay you dividends.
Proof: http://74.125.93.104/translate_c?hl=...5JudaW9pwJxSeg
I wanna know if they really used 1.6v for that or its just a cpuz bug!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
No, i7 is nearly as fast/slightly faster as Yorkfield, until you use SMT.
Since there's no easy way to toggle SMT in Windows (only in BIOS), welcome to the new world of tradeoffs.
Now let me guess... most review sites use SMT exclusively for productivity benchmarks, turn SMT off for games, and hail i7 as teh winRAR. :D
Oh, and think of it. 1.6V on AIR?
@ Titan, those benchmarks are from a few months ago. thats when we first were shown the huge power drop the 45nm were gonna see.
as far as a benchmark being biased, hows the new 3dmark vantage cpu benchmark handle? i hear its biased based on the video card offering up to 10% difference on cpu score by having different video cards used.
Oh, BTW the Vantage CPU benchmark uses... PhysX engine. Which uses...
x87 legacy code again. (Hardly little SSE optimization for CPUs; they want to sell their PPU/GPGPU)
That explains why SMT on i7 has such a big lead- x87 is primitive code that isn't used much by any other routine.
From what i heard 45nm Phenoms/Shanghais will be very cool chips,even with high volts>The current leakage has been well addressed at 45nm node and power consumption will be a lot lower than at 65nm with comparable clocks and/or volts.AMD also feel confident about their shipping parts so it's wait and see game right now.Not much more to wait,maybe until middle of November or the end of it for Deneb.
By the way, in case some of you are unaware of the existence of three SuperPi versions, SSE, SSE2, and SSE3.
I think with the early steppings going that high most of us don't doubt that, the hot topic now is the HOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Even if AMD's 65nm was dastardly crappy, 45nm wouldn't automatically give results that good either. They've used Immersion Litho since 65. Same for Strained silicon, perhaps even earlier.
But it's definitely not HK/MG. That's been delayed to 32 and no buts. :p:
Reported for flame baiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
I don't know anything about what hardware matters in 'Fritz chess' but it doesn't look good. Is it a fair comparison?
AMD:
http://img.inpai.com.cn/2008/8/5/0f5...c2fae025f0.gif
Intel:
- Middle of site
From what i read the CPU is running on a 780G /SB700
That initself is quite a feat 4ghz and tbh i didnt think a 780G would be capable of pushing 1.6v + without good PVRM. Not to mention the 780G is DDR2.
Also air cooled.
Even with all the leaks deneb remains an enigma.
Sooo AMD is lacking something in design. I'm guessing a better l2 would benefit AMD I don't see how this makes super pi biased, it's because AMD is lacking in cache.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
really old post im not sure if it is true but i saw that months back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eson
and seriously guys i would stop posting in this section for awhile because anyone that has any common sense would know that super pi obviously gets better results for intel. you could underclock some intel cpu down really low and run a ton of benchmarks and the amd cpu would win every time but on super pi intel could still possibly win. i bet even intel fan boys have to agree with this.
Remember it's a C0,the first 45nm stepping that was produced(could be better score with C2 since we don't know how bug free was C0 to begin with).
As for Fritz,it is one application that ,like PovRay or Cinebench10,prefers intel hardware.I don't know how much the Fritz engine is used in chess games-or for anything else,but i do know that the former 2(PovR and C10) are not,how to say it polite, preferred choice amongst the professionals.