D-Tek Fuzion V2 full review posted

Special thanks to Sidewinder and D-Tek for providing me with a sample. I put it through full pressure drop testing as well as thermal testing on my dual core processor.

Here is the full review page with a whole bunch of pictures and details:
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/D-Te...V2-Review.html

And here are the executive notes:

http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/D-TekFuzionV2-1.jpg

Pressure drop testing:
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/...V2-PD-VsV1.png

Nozzles and comparison:
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/...PD-Compare.png

Thermal performance over 5 mounts, one stock, one with the 4.5mm nozzle:
http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/...rmalPerfor.png

Very nice!...a much bigger difference than I expected..:clap:

Cheers.:toast2:
Martin

PS. Quad core processor is on the way so stay tuned for more..:D

great work as always martin. :clap: seems i might have to replace my V1.

Wow! the XSPC didn't do to bad either.

I find it odd that a nozzle didn't effect the V2 much at all.
Without reading the whole review yet, do you have an explanation for that?

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Originally Posted by biftek.

Wow! the XSPC didn't do to bad either.

I find it odd that a nozzle didn't effect the V2 much at all.

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Yeah, me too. I was going to run a bunch of nozzles, but the error in mounting makes measuring any of those differences very difficult with my particular processor and pump. I think single core, or quad cores, or strong pumps would see the biggest change.

The smaller nozzles would probably do well with dual pumps or Iwaki pumps, I would also guess the new quad midplate does well on a quad core.

I've got a quad coming which I plan to play make use of. The higher heat load of the quad will also make measuring differences a little easier I hope.

WoW looking good for results between V2 and V1 it big different :up:

i'll be order it one sure :D

Thanks for nice testing :)

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Originally Posted by ZoLKoRn

WoW looking good for results between V2 and V1 it big different :up:

i'll be order it one sure :D

Thanks for nice testing :)

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Thanks!

I'm looking forward to your nozzle testing too:up:

Thanks for the nice review, nice approach & methodology.

Your results correlate with smee's findings on the V2 vs. V1 difference.

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

Thanks!

I'm looking forward to your nozzle testing too:up:

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Yah waiting a few time i just posting now ;)

Very cool man.

By chance are you also getting a Quad plate? That is what im most interested in seeing on a quad core, be interesting to see how well that does in comparison to other nozzles and other blocks on a Quad.

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Originally Posted by Zaskar

Very cool man.

By chance are you also getting a Quad plate? That is what im most interested in seeing on a quad core, be interesting to see how well that does in comparison to other nozzles and other blocks on a Quad.

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Yes I am. I'm sure since there was so much effort put into the quad plate, it's probably the best thing for a quad, but I havn't seen anyone post results yet.

A quad core processor is on the way. It'll be a couple of weeks before I get a few blocks done, but I will be doing some testing on that.

Several other forum members are also doing some quad core testing, so they'll probably have some results pretty soon.:up:

Thanks for all your hard work, 3c difference on average is nice.


I wonder how it compares to a Supreme.



*runs away*

Thanks for the testing Martin great work! Now tell me why does it have to slap the V1 all over town, give it a wedgie and take it's lunch money? :confused:

Anyone want to buy a 2 month old V1 with an EK Supreme backplate for a good price? :rolleyes:

Good results Martin!! And good review!

Thanks for posting this!
Your results are very very similar to what I'm getting!

BTW, I got a new board, and am starting some testing tonight! So I will have my results up soon, testing with a quad core, I've got the quad mid plate too.

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Forgot to ask, what quad are you getting?

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Originally Posted by Gen

Thanks for all your hard work, 3c difference on average is nice.


I wonder how it compares to a Supreme.



*runs away*

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Not sure on the Supreme, I've never tried one thermally. I did manage to get a pressure drop test on one, but I didn't have my crystalfontz setup yet, so I wasn't able to test thermal. I think the microchannel blocks like the supreme are really good at quads.

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Originally Posted by brianm602

Thanks for the testing Martin great work! Now tell me why does it have to slap the V1 all over town, give it a wedgie and take it's lunch money? :confused:

Anyone want to buy a 2 month old V1 with an EK Supreme backplate for a good price? :rolleyes:

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V1 is still a great block.

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Originally Posted by smee

Good results Martin!! And good review!

Thanks for posting this!
Your results are very very similar to what I'm getting!

BTW, I got a new board, and am starting some testing tonight! So I will have my results up soon, testing with a quad core, I've got the quad mid plate too.

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Forgot to ask, what quad are you getting?

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Yeah, you're right in there, look forward to your multple mount results too..keep it up.:up:

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

Great work Martin.

On the final mounts, the 3.09C Delta-T swing between best and worst, what did that equate to as far as keeping the CPU cooler for the V2?

Thanks again for a the hard work and taking the time to post.

andyc

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I must be slow, I didn't have any that far off. My worst case was the V1 testing, but it was only a 1.95C delta. I think a majority of that is due to the mounting plate on V1 being loose, it's much more difficult to get the block level with the plate loose.

As far as the V2 results go, I tested three different configurations. Stock (5 mounts), Stock + Quad Nozzle (only 2 mounts before giving up), and Stock plus 4.5mm nozzle (5 mounts).

Mounting consistency was much better on the V2. Stock worst to best was only .58C.

How about that XSPC. It came up so close to the V2 in terms of performance, and yet according to your graph, it had by far the lowest pressure drop rate.

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Originally Posted by adpr_02

How about that XSPC. It came up so close to the V2 in terms of performance, and yet according to your graph, it had by far the lowest pressure drop rate.

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Yes it does, it is the block doing extremely well in both pressure drop AND thermal performance, it's an extremely nice block as well.:up:

BTW, someone wanted to see all the of the V1 and V2 nozzles overlaid, so I've updated the review with that. Unfortunately I'm not sure I believe the 5.5 and 6.3 results. I suspect the nozzles weren't sitting flush on the V2 tests. one thing I noticed in testing the V2 nozzles is just that...the mid block fits the nozzles fine, but V1 was more snug and kept the nozzle sitting down flush a little better.

Anyhow, here is that chart if you're a chart junky like myself. Generally the V1 vs V2 nozzle to nozzle performance is slightly more restrictive with the V2 and that difference diminishing as the nozzle size goes down. With the exception of the 5.5 and 6.3 results, I suspect the nozzles weren't seated just right.

http://www.martinsliquidlab.com/img/...PD-Compar2.png

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Originally Posted by smee

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Forgot to ask, what quad are you getting?

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A retail box Q6600...:up:

I'm really excited about this, my E6600 was never a great overclocker. Looking forward to doing the whole finding of the limits all over again..:D

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

A retail box Q6600...:up:

I'm really excited about this, my E6600 was never a great overclocker. Looking forward to doing the whole finding of the limits all over again..:D

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Noice!!
Thats always fun to do :D I'm still figuring out my limit on my QX6700..... :p:

great review as always..
keep them coming!:D

nice work martin...

fuzion v2 on my lists of things to get :)

Great review Martin, but... WOW, 3 full degrees improvement? Isn't that quite something? With that pressure drop I guess one has to put that thing in it's own loop, but hell isn't that what everybody in here recommends? So far, D-Tek really did accomplish something here. :up:

Great read, Nice work there, I am definitely getting this ;) But after a while.

Martin, thanks for your XSPC edge review, without that I would of just dismissed it as no good but now its on my shopping list, great temps AND awesome flow. Who would of guessed that? Cheers mate :up:

Martin, thanks so much for the review. I love the fact that all those blocks are within 3-5C of each other. Just shows how far the industry has come since we were drilling parallel holes in copper bar...makes you wonder if much more can be done. Then again, people were saying that 4 years ago! :yepp:

Great review Martion, keep up the good work! Im looking forward to test this block out on my very hot Q6600

Nice work :up:
With stronger pump than a D5, the fuzion v2 should not have better results with nozzles ?
I have mine at home, one ddc with EK top and I'm waiting a sanso pump.

So I wonder how much of an improvement this is over my classic apogee...


Martin do you have any plans to test older waterblocks like the apogee, rbx and tdx? It would be kinda nice to see how things have improved over time, and how some of those older blocks fare on newer tech.

Whoa, I didn't expect to see a bigger improvement than what I thought with the V2. I guess this would be a great recommendation for everyone who ask which is best ;)

I'm even tempted to replace my V1 with the V2 but since 2-3C difference doesn't change my overclocking a lot, I'll wait :)

Great review, thanks! I'm surprised at the improvement over the V1.

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

I must be slow, I didn't have any that far off. My worst case was the V1 testing, but it was only a 1.95C delta. I think a majority of that is due to the mounting plate on V1 being loose, it's much more difficult to get the block level with the plate loose.

As far as the V2 results go, I tested three different configurations. Stock (5 mounts), Stock + Quad Nozzle (only 2 mounts before giving up), and Stock plus 4.5mm nozzle (5 mounts).

Mounting consistency was much better on the V2. Stock worst to best was only .58C.

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Martin,

I think what Andy was saying is the temperature scale on your graph is coretemp-water in temp and not necessarily true delta CPU core temperature.

Does this mean the actual temperatures from coretemp actually followed the same delta? Maybe I am being slow if it is.

4 degrees lower! i should upgrade to V2 :up:

Great review thanks. they are nice blocks the the pro mount kit as standard makes the block great value.

As the V2 block has a higher restriction than the V1, will this mean that a greater flow rate from a more powerful pump will yeild cooler tamps?

Also that XSPC Edge block looks like a great performer. As it has better temps than the D-tek V1 and is almost as free flowing. Therefore is this the block most people should get if they have a multi block loop?

Cheers

Would this be a noteworthy upgrade from a Storm for a dual core C2D. I remember the benefit from Storm->Fuzion v1 for a dual core was about 2-3C, not worth the money unless you have some to burn IMO

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Originally Posted by Gen

Thanks for all your hard work, 3c difference on average is nice.


I wonder how it compares to a Supreme.



*runs away*

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I'll have a supreme coming pretty soon so I'll give a whirl.

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Originally Posted by brianm602

Thanks for the testing Martin great work! Now tell me why does it have to slap the V1 all over town, give it a wedgie and take it's lunch money? :confused:

Anyone want to buy a 2 month old V1 with an EK Supreme backplate for a good price? :rolleyes:

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Hehe. It was a bigger gain than I expected too.

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Originally Posted by p2501

Great review Martin, but... WOW, 3 full degrees improvement? Isn't that quite something? With that pressure drop I guess one has to put that thing in it's own loop, but hell isn't that what everybody in here recommends? So far, D-Tek really did accomplish something here. :up:

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I don't think the restriction is very much without nozzles in there, it's more of a low/medium restriction compared to other blocks and a D5 or DDC would have plenty of pumping power. Give it a try in the flow rate estimator, you'll probably get more than 1.5GPM in most cases unless you were running a highly restrictive GPU block.

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Originally Posted by headala

Martin, thanks so much for the review. I love the fact that all those blocks are within 3-5C of each other. Just shows how far the industry has come since we were drilling parallel holes in copper bar...makes you wonder if much more can be done. Then again, people were saying that 4 years ago! :yepp:

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Yeah, although I still like seeing people make their own blocks, it was much more challenging back then, now we have all these great blocks to bolt on..

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Originally Posted by Repliquant67

Nice work :up:
With stronger pump than a D5, the fuzion v2 should not have better results with nozzles ?
I have mine at home, one ddc with EK top and I'm waiting a sanso pump.

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It's a good question, I think there is possibly some gain with nozzles, but it's just hard to measure. Stronger pumps and higher heat loads like quad cores probably make the best use of them. I figured most people run either a DDC or a D5, so that's what I chose to test with. The two nozzles tested on my dual core did not show any measurable improvement...:shrug: But I would still try some nozzles with quads and stronger pumps, there could be something there I didn't capture with the D5/dual core setup.

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Originally Posted by Jimmer411

So I wonder how much of an improvement this is over my classic apogee...


Martin do you have any plans to test older waterblocks like the apogee, rbx and tdx? It would be kinda nice to see how things have improved over time, and how some of those older blocks fare on newer tech.

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I am going to try an apogee drive and I have a couple of other blocks I'd like to catch up on that have been collecting.

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Originally Posted by Xilikon

Whoa, I didn't expect to see a bigger improvement than what I thought with the V2. I guess this would be a great recommendation for everyone who ask which is best ;)

I'm even tempted to replace my V1 with the V2 but since 2-3C difference doesn't change my overclocking a lot, I'll wait :)

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Yeah, and that's a gain at 100% TAT load, so it's a fairly extreme heat load.

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Originally Posted by Snyxxx

Martin,

I think what Andy was saying is the temperature scale on your graph is coretemp-water in temp and not necessarily true delta CPU core temperature.

Does this mean the actual temperatures from coretemp actually followed the same delta? Maybe I am being slow if it is.

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I'm the slow one. What I did was log core temperatures using TAT after loading 100%. The delta I'm showing is the average of both cores subtracting out the water in temperature. This does a good job of correcting out the ambient air temperature variations which I also logged during the entire test. This does correlate to the core temperatures as you see in TAT, this is similar to "Coretemp" but a different program. It's much higher than what is registered by the motherboard as CPU temperature.

Anyhow all the numbers are TAT's logged core temperatures subtracting the water in temperature my crystalfontz was logging at the same time. Using the crystalfontz and TAT at the same time makes testing pretty easy. I just mount the block, fire up TAT and load at 100% for each core and walk away for 10 minutes. Then I come back and start logging the crystalfontz and logging on TAT both at the same time. I then walk away for half an hour and come back, shut off the logging/loading then average all the results. Then I'm ready for another mount.:up:

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Originally Posted by bugkalot

4 degrees lower! i should upgrade to V2 :up:

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The average of the mounts stock vs stock was actually closer to 3 degrees, but my variability was much higher in V1. The new solid hold down plates are a big improvement to helping with mounting consistency..:up:

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Originally Posted by clock_ed

Great review thanks. they are nice blocks the the pro mount kit as standard makes the block great value.

As the V2 block has a higher restriction than the V1, will this mean that a greater flow rate from a more powerful pump will yeild cooler tamps?

Also that XSPC Edge block looks like a great performer. As it has better temps than the D-tek V1 and is almost as free flowing. Therefore is this the block most people should get if they have a multi block loop?

Cheers

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I don't know, the c/w curve looks similar to V1, so I suspect there could be a degree or two to be had, but it all depends on the added heat by the pump. In the end it's possible you could go backwards if the negatives from the heat dump are greater than the added flow rate.

how come for both you and zorlin does the D-tek V2 perform the same with and without nozzle?

Im not understanding this. Then it wouldnt make sense to have the nozzle in there.

Umm, zolkorn tested a V1 IIRC, not a V2.

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

how come for both you and zorlin does the D-tek V2 perform the same with and without nozzle?

Im not understanding this. Then it wouldnt make sense to have the nozzle in there.

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He had a V1.


I'm also only using a Laing D5 and my test was on a dual core. There might be some benefit there, but it's very small and too small to really measure. Maybe it makes a bigger difference with a dual pump or Iwaki setup, I'm not sure.:shrug:

I think most of what people saw for nozzle kit gains in the V1 was actually just the washer which V2 fixed.

I've got my quad core now, so I'll be doing ALOT more testing, as it sort of means starting all over again. I've got an EK supreme now too, so I might make one last set of runs on the E6600 before switching over to quad.

This block WILL replace my V1... period :up:
Thanks again Martin :up:

quad, quad, quad.. yeah.. can't wait.. Now, all I have to do is find a home for a v1 with everthing... Oh, and get a v2.. :)

probably a silly question but if you dont ask you never know!

when you are testing the various nozzles are you lads just popping the nozzle in the chamber from the barb end without opening the whole block?
I'm pretty sure that the nozzle just sits into place when you do so:shrug:

Only problem is getting the bugger out is difficult.

Just want to avoid having to reseat the block everytime.

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Originally Posted by TheThreeDegrees

probably a silly question but if you dont ask you never know!

when you are testing the various nozzles are you lads just popping the nozzle in the chamber from the barb end without opening the whole block?
I'm pretty sure that the nozzle just sits into place when you do so:shrug:

Only problem is getting the bugger out is difficult.

Just want to avoid having to reseat the block everytime.

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I've been wondering the same thing, but I think most people open op the block to do so... it takes reseating, refilling everything yes... but I'm afraid it's hard to get out, maybe with a q tip and a piece of rubber or whatever?
Anyone got tips?

For those who don't know what I meant:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hite_menbo.jpg

I've been taking the block apart to install the nozzles, that way I can inspect and clean the base at the same time if needed. Actually during testing I leave the block connected and just take the base off. Easier to take the base off than tubing and tip ties.

I think it's also important to push the nozzle all the way down until seated flush, so it helpful to see the underside.

While the 'nozzle instructions' for the Fuzion nozzle kit claim you can remove the nozzle without removing the barbs, I've found this to be impossible without taking the block apart, which defeats the whole purpose..

Time to upgrade my Apogee GTX. :)

Anyone know if this block will work with the backplate of the Swiftech block? If I don't have to remove my MB to change them over it will be a bonus. :)

Once again thanks Martinm for the hard work and also thanks to Gary @ Sidewinder.

Thanks!

I've got a new motherboard on the way, so hopefully by next weekend I'll have by quad core settled on a good overclock for some quad thermal testing. I've got about 8 blocks sitting here waiting in line..:)

You sound like a very busy man, Martin. Sitting here and answering questions while you could be out enjoying your Memorial Day. I commend your work!

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Thanks!

I've got a new motherboard on the way, so hopefully by next weekend I'll have by quad core settled on a good overclock for some quad thermal testing. I've got about 8 blocks sitting here waiting in line..:)

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Nice! What board are you getting?

BTW, what camera do you have? Your pictures are amazing!!

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Originally Posted by MINIz guy

You sound like a very busy man, Martin. Sitting here and answering questions while you could be out enjoying your Memorial Day. I commend your work!

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+1, go take a brake Martin!!! :up: :D

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Originally Posted by smee

Nice! What board are you getting?

BTW, what camera do you have? Your pictures are amazing!!

+1, go take a brake Martin!!! :up: :D

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I ordered this DFI LT X48 T2R board from NCIX. It seems like it would be really easy to watercool and was recommend by several members here. My 680i was a good board for the E6600, but it just doesn't like the new quad. I think I have chipset blocks to take care of the NB and SB, so I may just have to work up a PWM block for myself. I don't want to change anything once I start testing, so I want to get it wet off the get go..:)

Canon 20D, it's getting older these days but still a much better camera than this operator can handle.

Heading to Reno tomorrow for the whole week..:up:

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I ordered this DFI LT X48 T2R board from NCIX. It seems like it would be really easy to watercool and was recommend by several members here. My 680i was a good board for the E6600, but it just doesn't like the new quad. I think I have chipset blocks to take care of the NB and SB, so I may just have to work up a PWM block for myself. I don't want to change anything once I start testing, so I want to get it wet off the get go..:)

Canon 20D, it's getting older these days but still a much better camera than this operator can handle.

Heading to Reno tomorrow for the whole week..:up:

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Very nice!! Thats a great board from what I hear. :up:

Oh nice, I'm looking at a 20D myself, I'm really getting into photography and I've got photoshop to work with too.. but this little digital cam isn't going to work out very long... need a DSLR! :D
And plus, my dad already has a 5D with several lenses ranging from 24-400mm that I will be able to use.
I was originally looking at the Rebel XTI or XSI but just found out that you can only use DX lense's with those, and my dad doesn't have DX lense's, so the 20D is the way to go for me. :up:

It's also relatively cheap nowadays, you can get the body and a 50mm for about $500 thats in great condition on ebay.

Little OT, but still, photography is awesome. :D

Have fun in Reno!! Thats a fun place to be, been there a couple times with my dad. :)

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Very nice!! Thats a great board from what I hear. :up:

Oh nice, I'm looking at a 20D myself, I'm really getting into photography and I've got photoshop to work with too.. but this little digital cam isn't going to work out very long... need a DSLR! :D
And plus, my dad already has a 5D with several lenses ranging from 24-400mm that I will be able to use.
I was originally looking at the Rebel XTI or XSI but just found out that you can only use DX lense's with those, and my dad doesn't have DX lense's, so the 20D is the way to go for me. :up:

It's also relatively cheap nowadays, you can get the body and a 50mm for about $500 thats in great condition on ebay.

Little OT, but still, photography is awesome. :D

Have fun in Reno!! Thats a fun place to be, been there a couple times with my dad. :)

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Cool!

BTW, whoever told you you can't run regular lenses on a XTi or Rebel is wrong, they work just fine.

You can't however run DX lenses on full sensored bodys such as the 5D or 1D series. The issue is image circle vs sensor size. The DX lenses have a smaller image circle that projects onto the smaller sensor size of the 1.6crop sensors like the XTi, 20D, 40D, etc. The regular lenses project a larger image circle which is fine on a smaller sensor. But on a DX lense the image circle is too small for the larger sensor size of the 5D/1D series. Some of the zooms will work at the tele end, but they will typically start having the edges of the image cropped out on the wide end.

Anyhow, the newer XTis and lower cost cameras take darn near every bit as good a picture as the higher end models at least for most users. I bought the 20D at the time because I wanted the all metal body and better focusing precision it had over the 350D. The newer 450Ds and such have all been upgraded since then and now even have auto sensor cleaning which I wish I had..

Anyhow, I wouldn't let the lense thing bother you. You actually have more lense options than the 5D boys do.. Not that I wouldn't rather have a 5D, I just can't afford it..lol!

Anyhow, back to topic. The new fuzion V2 is very good, can't wait to overclock this Q6600 and start comparing some blocks.:up:

Lol yea, we are getting a bit off topic here... I'll send you a PM regarding our conversation about camera's instead of flooding this thread. :p:

I am truly loving the V2 myself, the temps are great!! I'm getting slightly lower temps then my 8800GT with it's HR-03 GT cooler on it... 30c Idle and around 40'ish load!! :eek:

And I don't even have the quad insert in... ;)
It's at stock clocks atm though, this gigabyte board doesn't like overclocking, at least with quads.
But my buddy has got me a replacement coming today or tomorrow for the striker. :up:

Martin how are the review for D-Tek Fuzion V2 for Quads coming.... got a little debate going over at NCIX with Apollo4g,
i think that V1 is a better block for Quads.. what do u have to say about that

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Originally Posted by cryptospartan

Martin how are the review for D-Tek Fuzion V2 for Quads coming.... got a little debate going over at NCIX with Apollo4g,
i think that V1 is a better block for Quads.. what do u have to say about that

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we need to wait for his new mobo to come in :)

wow and I thought they just made it look different!

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Originally Posted by cryptospartan

Martin how are the review for D-Tek Fuzion V2 for Quads coming.... got a little debate going over at NCIX with Apollo4g,
i think that V1 is a better block for Quads.. what do u have to say about that

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I think not! muhahaha :D

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Originally Posted by cryptospartan

Martin how are the review for D-Tek Fuzion V2 for Quads coming.... got a little debate going over at NCIX with Apollo4g,
i think that V1 is a better block for Quads.. what do u have to say about that

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It's going about as fast as my 680i overclocks!...lol!

There are basically four main performance improvements on V2

-O-ring - This is the same as V1 with the washer from the nozzle kit
-Shorter Pin Height - This forces more water closer to the base and at higher velocities. This is a tradeoff in higher restriction, but it does provide more thermal efficiency.
-Thinner Base - Base thickness is a tricky one, but the new V2 is slightly thinner.
-Improved mounting hold down plates

My guess is the V2 outperform the V1 on all processors, but I won't know for sure until I get some testing done. I'm hoping I'll get my new motherboard and get some overclocking done by the end of next weekend. Then I'll start some testing..:up:

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Originally Posted by Apollo4g

I think not! muhahaha :D

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Alright just for that, the V1 wins!!!...lol!:D
Just kidding...hehe

So does the v2 have the same problem with extra material around the inner seal as the v1 did ?

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Originally Posted by Darkatom

So does the v2 have the same problem with extra material around the inner seal as the v1 did ?

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Nope, not at all.
It's actually not a washer that seals it, it's an actual o-ring like you'd find on a barb.
It's much better this way, D-Tek really did thourouly think this one out. :up:

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Originally Posted by Darkatom

So does the v2 have the same problem with extra material around the inner seal as the v1 did ?

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Like what smee posted, no extra material at all. Here's a pic of the o-ring on the V2, opened it last night to install the quad core insert.

http://homepage.mac.com/npasamonte/water/day1/dtek1.jpg

Same here, no extra gasket injection slag on the newer version. I think part of that may be because they now machine finish the top of the base on V2, where in V1 it was cast. They probably did this injection on the gasket for V1 just in case there were any minor irregularities in V1.

Anyhow, the gasket issue with V1 is not present in V2..:)

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

My guess is the V2 outperform the V1 on all processors, but I won't know for sure until I get some testing done. I'm hoping I'll get my new motherboard and get some overclocking done by the end of next weekend. Then I'll start some testing..:up:

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do you really have to to a V1 vs V2 comparison?
i would rather see a comparison of the latest EK block vs V2.
you know that everyone will buy the V2 now just due to those new improvements, but what i want to see is what the top block is and a comparison of the EKs different plates and the V2s nozzles/plates , on your Q6600 of course

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do you really have to to a V1 vs V2 comparison?
i would rather see a comparison of the latest EK block vs V2.
you know that everyone will buy the V2 now just due to those new improvements, but what i want to see is what the top block is and a comparison of the EKs different plates and the V2s nozzles/plates , on your Q6600 of course

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Yeah, I'm planning to test all the blocks I have which includes the supreme..:up:

perfect, thank you.
when 4870 comes out im going to redo my whole loop, so you have a month :)

Hi,

Many thanks for that great test and I'm also waiting for quadcore results.

But, performance aside, we're approching the end of socket 775, it's just few months ahead, suerely less than one year before EOL of most interesting socket 775 CPU for the overclockers.

So, my question is: would this block fit on upcoming Nehalem sockets, especially socket 1366 but also 1160?

Wow the D-tek V2 seem to be the bomb! This is really tempting me to get WC!

You still don't have WC, mate? ;)
Shame on you :p:

Well i actually did. I bought everything and cut a massive triple rad hole at the top of my P182SE. But then i couldnt be stuffed to install the WC and i sold all the WC stuff and kept the case for later WC adventure

Martin, a question: What was the speed and volts on your processor? That is, how many watts are being dissipated?

It may have been in the review or this thread; if so I apologize for missing it...I did look.

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Martin, a question: What was the speed and volts on your processor? That is, how many watts are being dissipated?

It may have been in the review or this thread; if so I apologize for missing it...I did look.

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My processor is an older conroe I believe B3 stepping, 3.3Ghz, 1.38Vcore (after vdroop) 1.425Vcore set in 680i bios.

I've never tried to measure heat dump from the actual processor, but according to swiftech's kit calculator here:
http://www.swiftech.com/products/h20-220-compact.asp

That's approximately an 80 watt heat load(Orthos 100% load). I believe swiftech's calculator takes into account some ambient losses through the motherboard, so it's more accurate than power consumption calculators.

But be forwarned on my processor being a hot one, my new quadcore G0 is much much cooler even with the extra cores. Not sure why it runs so hot, but it makes for a good testing processor that way..

Top class review mate.

Thinking of swapping out my EK-Supreme for one of these

Hello Users from xs.org,

Iam new on watercooling. For an compentition i want to buy the D-tek Fuzion V2 waterblock because of his good performance.
Iam using a old Koolance Exos II watercooling kit and want to OC an single core Celeron 430. The Fuzion waterblock is the only block in the whole loop.
Do i need a nozzle kit for better preformance? I read this thread but i don`t understand the tables in this thread in the first posts.
So the best way to cool is good pressure and a good flow? Whats the best nozzle for my setup? Sorry for the bad english, but iam doing my best to post this.

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Hello Users from xs.org,

Iam new on watercooling. For an compentition i want to buy the D-tek Fuzion V2 waterblock because of his good performance.
Iam using a old Koolance Exos II watercooling kit and want to OC an single core Celeron 430. The Fuzion waterblock is the only block in the whole loop.
Do i need a nozzle kit for better preformance? I read this thread but i don`t understand the tables in this thread in the first posts.
So the best way to cool is good pressure and a good flow? Whats the best nozzle for my setup? Sorry for the bad english, but iam doing my best to post this.

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A single core may benefit more from the nozzles than I could find with the conroe core, but in the end I'm afraid nozzle gains are likely pretty small and hard to measure even with 5 mounts.

I would just try the block out stock, but make sure you run some sort of anticorrsion addative, I believe the Exos uses an aluminum radiator (or so I've heard), so you'll have a mixed metal loop.

Best way to cool is adequate flow (more is better, but at least 1gpm) and plenty of radiator to dissipate all that heat. Pressure is just a measurement of energy. The charts were showing pressure drop which is just showing how restrictive the different nozzles are, less restriction means you'll have more flow rates.:up:

I saw a test of the v2 with and without the nozzle, on a certain cpu, and temps didn't even improve with the nozzle... so even without nozzles it still has killer performance :up:
I already swapped out my EK Supreme for a FuZion v1 2 months ago and I see 3c better temps, now I'm contemplating another upgrade, the v2 :)
PS Robin your English is good enough, I've seen worse :p: (at least I understand what you mean lol)

Thank you for the help

Iam taking this on highflow.nl

Feser VSC - Heat Carrier 500ML (mixed coolant with anti corrossif)
D-Tek FuZion Universal v2
Scythe 120MM Ultra Kaze 3000RPM (x2) for modding the EXOS II fan (higher flow) (yes those are 38mm thick, but have 2x home made Fan ducts)
Arctic cooling MX2 tim paste

Are those good fan for cooling the alu rad? (i think to get good air flow)

This is one reason I'm confused about nozzles. I've seen a couple of people try to measure differences using an actual processor core to do so (which is what I did) and havn't really seen anything to show definitively what if any gains there are using nozzles. V1 was different because the washer included in the nozzle kit clearly has some improvement and most people went from stock to washer plus nozzle.

vkbms however has been testing with an E8500 with a thermistor mounted to the base of the processor and has measure gains all the way down to the 3.5mm nozzle.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

ZoLKoRn did this test with processor temps and a whole bunch of nozzles with EK plates as well as fuzion nozzles and in the end also did not really show any performance gain with the nozzles.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=187753

So there is two testing methods giving different results. The actual processor internal sensors don't seem to indicate any gain, but using an external sensor under the processor shows a 3.5mm nozzle working the best. The internal sensors are pretty crappy, but they are in the best locations to get the most accurate results of actual core temps.

I don't know, I plan to do some more experimenting when I get my quad core system up and running, but nozzles are questionable from what I can gather. The washer is a must have for V1, and I suspect the new quad midplate may be the best for quads, but otherwise there just hasn't been any consistency in showing nozzles are good.

So far it's been mostly just people jumping on board because of rumor and nozzles sound like they would work. I haven't seen enough to really recommend anything other than stock at this point, though it never hurts to experiment..;)

Am I the only one that loves the new design and mounting method more than the temp improvements? :D

Ease of use FTW :up:

Somebody know where to buy screws for the fuzion block (the small one to fix the block) ?
I've seen that somewhere , but impossible to remember where exactly.

Petras

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Somebody know where to buy screws for the fuzion block (the small one to fix the block) ?
I've seen that somewhere , but impossible to remember where exactly.

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Just buy the pro mount, it's included.

I would say the screws to fix the copper base to the delrin top.

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I would say the screws to fix the copper base to the delrin top.

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I know what you are talking about, it's in the pro mount (include 4 philips screws to replace the hex ones).

Ok, thanks

The allen wrench that comes with the v2 is too small, what's the proper size for removing the allen screws?

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The allen wrench that comes with the v2 is too small, what's the proper size for removing the allen screws?

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About 2.2mm...oh wait, there is no such size!!...lol!

My only real gripe about the block. A 2mm will fit, but it's very loose and will strip with not much force, be very careful...

Nice, they must be smoking some good stuff over at D-tek to come up with something like that.

I actually got them out with a 5/64 allen wrench, but it definitely doesn't fit perfectly, fits better than the one they shipped with it though.

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Nice, they must be smoking some good stuff over at D-tek to come up with something like that.

I actually got them out with a 5/64 allen wrench, but it definitely doesn't fit perfectly, fits better than the one they shipped with it though.

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Actually I think that someone in china is smoking some good stuff.

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Actually I think that someone in china is smoking some good stuff.

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Whatever, D-tek is ultimately responsible for QC on their own products, and this is a pretty big oversight.

Gah I need quad results lol, deciding between this, ek supreme, and xspc

LOL... hate to repost a question asked throughout the thread... any quad temp results (preferably a 9450 :clap: ) with and without the mid-chamber insert? Part of me says it makes no difference. The other part says they wouldn't make it if it didn't. :rolleyes: I'm upgrading a v1 no nozzles with a v2 this weekend. I'm still debating as whether to use the insert.:)

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Whatever, D-tek is ultimately responsible for QC on their own products, and this is a pretty big oversight.

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Oh thank god, someone finally sees it from my point of view too.

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LOL... hate to repost a question asked throughout the thread... any quad temp results (preferably a 9450 :clap: ) with and without the mid-chamber insert? Part of me says it makes no difference. The other part says they wouldn't make it if it didn't. :rolleyes: I'm upgrading a v1 no nozzles with a v2 this weekend. I'm still debating as whether to use the insert.:)

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Great, looking forward to your testing results..;)

I receive the quick mount kit and the screws don't feet with the V2.
if somebody else know where to find this damned screws ....

Way cool on the dual core test, not enough of them, so many people do quads.

I currently have the Swiftech Apogee GTX CU Extreme. I heard a lot of good about the v1 D-Tech so I can only imagine the new v2. Will you be testing any Apogee for those of us thinking or wanting a reason to change over? Any plans to include other top models like from ThermalRight? Oh ja, I own that old Danger-Dan RBX (tripple) so I would totally like to see how it keeps up w/ the game for a 5 yo block.

Good job on the v1 v/s v2 review, not enough people actually show us exactly what the new version of something really gives us for our investment.

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Way cool on the dual core test, not enough of them, so many people do quads.

I currently have the Swiftech Apogee GTX CU Extreme. I heard a lot of good about the v1 D-Tech so I can only imagine the new v2. Will you be testing any Apogee for those of us thinking or wanting a reason to change over? Any plans to include other top models like from ThermalRight? Oh ja, I own that old Danger-Dan RBX (tripple) so I would totally like to see how it keeps up w/ the game for a 5 yo block.

Good job on the v1 v/s v2 review, not enough people actually show us exactly what the new version of something really gives us for our investment.

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Thanks!

I just spent the last week getting my new quad core system up and running, and finally up last night. I still have some pump top testing and radiator testing to catch up on, by then I'll have my overclock all figured out. Anyhow, the new DFI LTX48 is a dream to run, it's an extremely nice board..:up: The most stable board I've used and puts my old 680i to shame. I can't believe how rock solid stable the CPU vcore is, it doesn't hardly even budge from idle to full load.:yepp:

I don't have any regular apogee blocks, but I do have an Apogee drive I plan to fully test (courtesy of NCIX). It actually has really good distributed flow over the block so I would expect it to do very well and similar to the GT/GTX. And no, I don't have an RBX, but I do have an MC-TDX and TDX. I've requested samples from swiftech before a couple of times and they've never once even responded to me:shrug:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9...wetted2jn1.jpg

Happy to be up and running again...back to testing...:)

I want this block...new wc system, fuzion v2 + PA120.1 (:shrug:) can handle a Q66 to 4ghz? :D

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I want this block...new wc system, fuzion v2 + PA120.1 (:shrug:) can handle a Q66 to 4ghz? :D

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If you want a single fan rad, go for the PA160. It's almost like a double.