The 9800 GTX Review Thread

Looks like the reviews of this card is coming in. Lets keep it all in one thread.

VR Zone has a review up from PCOnline.
(did I miss any others?)

8800 GTS 650/1625/1800
9800 GTX 675/1688/2200

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Geforce 9800GTX specific parameters are as follows:

- 65nm Foundry TSMC 65nm process
- Transistors integrated over 1 billion
- The second generation unified shader architecture
- FP64） -- Support for double-precision (FP64)
- GPGPU -- Original GPGPU
- Coloring capacity of 1 trillion floating-point operations
- MADD+ADD（2+1 FLOPS=3 FLOPS per ALU） -- MADD + ADD configuration of a color unit (2 +1 = 3 FLOPS FLOPS per ALU)
- Full scalar design
- 256-bit -- 256-bit memory controller
- 1024MB GDDR3 -- 1024MB GDDR3 memory
- DirectX 10.1-- Support DirectX 10.1
- OpenGL 3.0 OpenGL 3.0 support
- Built-eDRAM embedded memory, providing "free 4 xAA"
- Built-in sound chip
- Built-in modules tesselation Embedded Pavement
- Improved antialiasing and anisotropic filtering AA-AF quality

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^^:shrug: :confused:

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hey what are the 9800gts specs again?

That's going to be interesting to see what the difference between the 9800gts and 8800gts 512mb is

That 9800gtx... or is it 8900gtx, Is such a joke.

yea, if they included dx10.1 support, they could at least get away with calling a 9 series off a technicality. they couldnt even get that right

The items are all false:

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- Transistors integrated over 1 billion
- DirectX 10.1-- Support DirectX 10.1
- OpenGL 3.0 OpenGL 3.0 support
- Built-eDRAM embedded memory, providing "free 4 xAA"
- Built-in sound chip
- Built-in modules tesselation Embedded Pavement
- Improved antialiasing and anisotropic filtering AA-AF quality

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Originally Posted by v_rr

The items are all false:

- Transistors integrated over 1 billion
- DirectX 10.1-- Support DirectX 10.1
- OpenGL 3.0 OpenGL 3.0 support
- Built-eDRAM embedded memory, providing "free 4 xAA"
- Built-in sound chip
- Built-in modules tesselation Embedded Pavement
- Improved antialiasing and anisotropic filtering AA-AF quality

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That's what I was wondering. But where in the world did they get this from? I recall this information way back when someone posted specs of this card. Anyone remember this?

Also do the cards have 512 or 1024 mb of ram ?

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Also do the cards have 512 or 1024 mb of ram ?

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512mb


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regards

Well, that settles that, me not no buy.

Horrible thing it turned out to be, this.

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Originally Posted by Decami

Well, that settles that, me not no buy.

Horrible thing it turned out to be, this.

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QFT. now release this and bring SLI to Intel chipsets so i can buy another 8800gtx cheap and were golden :)

Well, is it really that horrible though?

It [should] cost less than the 8800 GTX and it performs a bit better. The new GT and GTS line should REALLY have been 9800 cards and not 8800 cards, they were based on the new core and a new GTS vs. and old one does show a change. Now the GTX is to the GTS what the Ultra was to the GTX, merely a premium part.
As others have mentioned this is more a marketing thing than anything else. It's a shame nVidia didn't release something that was more of a jump (as the 8 series was over the 7) but considering a $220 graphics card CAN play most games out there on a 24" LCD (hell, my GTS-320mb from a year ago can handle my 24" just fine in everything thus far) I'd say it's still a pretty good market.

With those nVidia slides showing SLI performace (which seem a bit of a stretch / picked the best SLI games) it seems to suggest that nVidia's plan is to release single cards at affordable prices and rather than have one $600 part, suggest the user just get two $300 parts instead. Granted this sort of sucked for communities like this one, but overall it's probably a better plan for nVidia because it means they can provide a solution for far more people.

I'd think tri, and maybe quad sli are more the focus of the enthusiast crowd now. If those slides WERE true, then it would suggest nVidia has been focusing their time & money on SLI drivers rather than pure HW advances which isn't really the worst thing in the world.

just my $.02

Time to buy some AMD/ATi stocks

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Originally Posted by Arkangyl

Well, is it really that horrible though?

It [should] cost less than the 8800 GTX and it performs a bit better. The new GT and GTS line should REALLY have been 9800 cards and not 8800 cards, they were based on the new core and a new GTS vs. and old one does show a change. Now the GTX is to the GTS what the Ultra was to the GTX, merely a premium part.
As others have mentioned this is more a marketing thing than anything else. It's a shame nVidia didn't release something that was more of a jump (as the 8 series was over the 7) but considering a $220 graphics card CAN play most games out there on a 24" LCD (hell, my GTS-320mb from a year ago can handle my 24" just fine in everything thus far) I'd say it's still a pretty good market.

With those nVidia slides showing SLI performace (which seem a bit of a stretch / picked the best SLI games) it seems to suggest that nVidia's plan is to release single cards at affordable prices and rather than have one $600 part, suggest the user just get two $300 parts instead. Granted this sort of sucked for communities like this one, but overall it's probably a better plan for nVidia because it means they can provide a solution for far more people.

I'd think tri, and maybe quad sli are more the focus of the enthusiast crowd now. If those slides WERE true, then it would suggest nVidia has been focusing their time & money on SLI drivers rather than pure HW advances which isn't really the worst thing in the world.

just my $.02

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great post :clap:
i believe it's all true, which makes me happy! I can finally buy a top-end gpu!!!

It's horrible in the sense that this is a refresh just to generate more "oh new stuff, must buy!" sort of sales.

Something about the forum icons always pisses me off. They're so .. arrogant. Then again, that sentence probably was arrogant too.

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Originally Posted by cegras

It's horrible in the sense that this is a refresh just to generate more "oh new stuff, must buy!" sort of sales..

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This refresh is not that bad for people like me with a 7800GTX. It provides a chance for use to buy a new top end card at reasonable prices. Also it dosn't perform as badly as I have feared.

Stupid card. Nothing to see here people. Move along.

Completely unexciting...

Not a worthy upgrade from 8800GTX.

this performs like an overclocked 8800gts and sometimes an overclocked 8800gt. wonder what the 512bit/1024mb/1ghz/48ROP/gddr4 model is called?

Although it's not worthy of an upgrade to G80 (GTX/Ultra) users, isn't this a GREAT buy for users who did not buy an 8-series or need a new non-SLI card?

Think about it..
$300 = 8800 GTX / close to Ultra-level power. But the 8800 GTX costs around $360-450.

In terms of price/performance, this is pretty damn good, no?

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Originally Posted by karateo

great post :clap:
i believe it's all true, which makes me happy! I can finally buy a top-end (in late 2006) gpu!!!

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fixed ;)

It's good value, but fact remains, due to lack of competition from Ati, or whatever, there IS NO TOP END SINGLE GPU anymore. it's all what should be midrange by this time..

And stop saying we don't need higher end cards.. Crysis runs like :banana::banana::banana::banana: at high detail on a GTX

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Originally Posted by DShankar

Although it's not worthy of an upgrade to G80 (GTX/Ultra) users, isn't this a GREAT buy for users who did not buy an 8-series or need a new non-SLI card?

Think about it..
$300 = 8800 GTX / close to Ultra-level power. But the 8800 GTX costs around $360-450.

In terms of price/performance, this is pretty damn good, no?

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yeah, well that's the point isnt it.
it is close to a 2year old top end card in performance...but then the gtx is now cheaper...i just dont get it(i feel like im taking crazy pills????????????)

from the card/chip maker's perspective i suppose it is cheaper to produce than the older g80's (i assume..) and so producers make more profit.

gotta really see it from the "i am not a high end enthusiast segment of the market point of view"

i still think there is little here to justify, when a 8800gt is half the price...
and a 3870x2 is a tad more $$ for significantly more performance.
but at the right price this thing does tantalise if you are coming from a lesser / last gen card...
there will be a niche in the consumer market for this card without a doubt.

for those who already own top end cards there is nothing to see sure.

it's yet another tease

tease tease
tease

and all market arrows now point to multigpu...if you really want a new "top end"

that is until the vapourware becomes reality;
and vapourware is the ultimate tease, and also the ultimate wet blanket for sales....nothing hurts sales more than lots of people waiting for something newer and better to arrive.

impatient people just have to go multigpu

sales people dont care whether they sell ice to the eskimos so long as they make a comission

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Originally Posted by adamsleath

yeah, well that's the point isnt it.
it is close to a 2year old top end card in performance...but then the gtx is now cheaper...i just dont get it(i feel like im taking crazy pills????????????)

from the card/chip maker's perspective i suppose it is cheaper to produce than the older g80's (i assume..) and so producers make more profit.

gotta really see it from the "i am not a high end enthusiast segment of the market point of view"

i still think there is little here to justify, when a 8800gt is half the price...
and a 3870x2 is a tad more $$ for significantly more performance.
but at the right price this thing does tantalise if you are coming from a lesser / last gen card...
there will be a niche in the consumer market for this card without a doubt.

for those who already own top end cards there is nothing to see sure.

it's yet another tease

tease tease
tease

and all market arrows now point to multigpu...if you really want a new "top end"

that is until the vapourware becomes reality;
and vapourware is the ultimate tease, and also the ultimate wet blanket for sales....nothing hurts sales more than lots of people waiting for something newer and better to arrive.

impatient people just have to go multigpu

sales people dont care whether they sell ice to the eskimos so long as they make a comission

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Well I'm coming from an ATI Radeon 9250 128MB AGP. ;)

I need a multi-GPU solution (not just for gaming but for CUDA purposes) and I'm trying to see if the 9800 GTX is worth it over something like the 8800 GT.

Heh, I have not posted here in a while but my X6850 and 8800 ULTRA that are a YEAR OLD remain pretty much the fastest thing going.

I usually build a new PC every year, but I am not going to do it this year.

Seriously what is going on? Microprocessor performance improvements have slowed to a crawl. :(

Hopefully there will be something out by 4Q 08 to 1Q 09 to finally make it worth replacing my current rig.

the 9800gtx is a joke.

I think I will be keeping my 8800GTX till the next-gen comes out from ATI as well.

I have never been an nVidia 'fanboy', and now this whole 9800 flop has turned me off completely. I hope ATI manages to come in and mop up this mess. I hope that's not wishful thinking :(

OK, so it's not a next gen GPU as the name implies, but it's hardly a POS card.

The fact is that it beats the 8800GTX whilst costing less, running cooler and overclocking much better.

Keep it in perspective people! If this card was named a 8900GTX I bet nobody would have anything to complain about. ;)

no buy for me

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Originally Posted by ANP !!!

I think I will be keeping my 8800GTX till the next-gen comes out from ATI as well.

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Indeed... Even my BFG 8800 GTX OC WC will give the 9800 GTX a hard time at 1920x1200.

*moves on*

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

OK, so it's not a next gen GPU as the name implies, but it's hardly a POS card.

The fact is that it beats the 8800GTX whilst costing less, running cooler and overclocking much better.

Keep it in perspective people! If this card was named a 8900GTX I bet nobody would have anything to complain about. ;)

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The reason people do not like this card is that it could have been soo much better, but Nvidia, acting upon its own interest, kept it back. They did not want it to encroach on the GX2. Kinda reminds me of the Top Gear segment on the Porsche Cayman where it was obvious that while good, it was purposely held back to keep it from encroaching on 911 territory.

Companies do this all the time as its logical, but people still resent it. Seeing how many gung ho fans there are of the big ugly 9800GX2, the backlash to the 9800GTX was predictable.

this card should be called the 9600GTS sell for $180 and they should have a 9800GTX which is twice as powerful.

It was either upgrade my gpu's, or 780i/DDR2 -> 790i ultra/DDR3.

I'm liking my 2x8800gtx's, so it's 780i/DDR2 -> 790i ultra/DDR3!!!

QED

this card sucks, save your $, are you all mad you have been anticipating this garbage?? I'm so disappointed in Nvidia, ATI please give me any excuse to go back to you.

Test on games with 9800GTX oc and 8800GTX/ultra oc could be interesting

They should have at least used some sweet ass GDDR4... (I wonder if the G92 is even capable of running it)

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

OK, so it's not a next gen GPU as the name implies, but it's hardly a POS card.

The fact is that it beats the 8800GTX whilst costing less, running cooler and overclocking much better.

Keep it in perspective people! If this card was named a 8900GTX I bet nobody would have anything to complain about. ;)

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Not yet, but the 8800GTX is disappearing at more and more shops (probably the cause of the low prices).
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a225997.html

Cmon what did you people expect out of this card really or do you completely ignore leaked specs and hope for some magical numbers once it's launched? :rolleyes: G92 with very similiar specs to 8800GTS 512MB, if anything it performed slightly better than my expectations. It's not until GT200 chip is released NVIDIA will raise it's performance bar significantly.

Still a decent price/performance ratio though.

But damn I wish I hadn't went to that geizhals site to check out nowadays G92 prices, Leadtek 8800GTS 512MB 190 EUR? WTF I paid 221 EUR for my 8800GT not that long ago. ><

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3...0gtxs14qn3.jpg
Why does it have dual 6-pin power connectors when G92 8800GTS need only one?!?!? And not much improvement in performance...:confused: Does this tell something about overclocking abilities...........

I dont understand how these reviews so far have the G92 GTS beating the 8800GTX. In the tests I did @ 1680x1050 the 8800GTX easy beat out the G92 GTS with or without AA in every game except 3D06. So I would have expected the 8800GTX to beat the 9800GTX.

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

OK, so it's not a next gen GPU as the name implies, but it's hardly a POS card.

The fact is that it beats the 8800GTX whilst costing less, running cooler and overclocking much better.

Keep it in perspective people! If this card was named a 8900GTX I bet nobody would have anything to complain about. ;)

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That's exactly the point though, it should be called the 8900gtx, its performance is at that point, kinda like 7800gtx vs 7900gtx

9800gtx is completely misleading and points at a new generation when it is not, that's one reason why some people were kinda upset the rv670 was called 3870 when it didn't offer much beyond a die shrink

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Originally Posted by AliG

That's exactly the point though, it should be called the 8900gtx, its performance is at that point, kinda like 7800gtx vs 7900gtx

9800gtx is completely misleading and points at a new generation when it is not, that's one reason why some people were kinda upset the rv670 was called 3870 when it didn't offer much beyond a die shrink

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That's Marketing mate, the 8600 cards were also totally hopeless yet they sold like hot dogs giving inferior performance to the older 79xx range... but peeps that are not really into it buy the bigger name as it's more recent...

I can't blame Nvidia for this they are here to make money not satisfy our hunger for 2Ghz GPU's or 2500mhz shaders...

If ya want a better card skip some generations and endure maybe some lower detail during half year and then make a big stepup... it wouldn't be wise for Nvidia now that ATI had released it's X2 to not respond... peeps are blinded by 3dmark nr's and co and like to show off hardware...

It's simple and clear : we are all kids that like new toys, only our hobby is pretty expensive compare to the kiddo's Duplo :rofl:

And I said it before if the card retails at around 400 dollars , about 350 euro's I will advise peeps to buy one as it's a great card with top notch performance... not the increase we expected but that's due to the fact Fudzilla and the Inq are constantly making peeps dream about ridicilous specs... and I payed way more for my 8800GTX and I didn't mind then either...:rolleyes:

And in the Nvdia camp we got some great hardware 9600GT 8800GT 8800GTS512 and now 9800GTX which are all inside many peeps budgets... Same for ATI range... and on a note this release will influence prices on 8800GTS 521 and GT cards... too bad Belgium is always pretty late with availability...

All about cash !!

Why bother with the gtx though when the g92 gts is just about exactly the same except it doesn't oc quite as high?

People should stop comparing the 9800GTX to the 512 8800GTS. It's getting really pathetic.

There are other cards in the market.
I bought a 8800GTS 320 last year. The new 9800 will be a great upgrade.
Less heat, more speed, better OC.

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Originally Posted by loutsos

People should stop comparing the 9800GTX to the 512 8800GTS. It's getting really pathetic.

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Why is it pathetic, you're paying more for what is essentially the same thing.

If it really is the same there shouldn't be a 2nd power connector...

I see it more like a high binned 8800GTS GPU with a new PCB prolly and better ram allowing for higher clocks... also if the suggested MSRP is correct it's about the same as we would have payed for the 8800GTS 512 when it was launched... if Nvidia launched this card at original 8800GTX prices I would have had a problem with it...

I admit the name is misleading ( good marketing job ) it's not 100&#37; new technology but at least we will be sure it will perform and at that price it's a steal... And many peeps don't OC their cards they just run them stock out of the box...

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Originally Posted by loutsos

People should stop comparing the 9800GTX to the 512 8800GTS. It's getting really pathetic.

There are other cards in the market.
I bought a 8800GTS 320 last year. The new 9800 will be a great upgrade.
Less heat, more speed, better OC.

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Yeah it'll be a great upgrade, I just made it.

I bought an 8800gts 512.

They're essentially the same card, so it's a perfectly legitimate comparison. The 9800gtx is just the 8800gts with a few things it always should've had, rebaged and with a heftier price tag. The 9800gtx is essentially to the 8800gts 512 as the ultra was to the GTX, although in this case we do have A FEW actual hardware changes (not that they do much...).

If you really want to upgrade, buy an 8800gts 512 from one of the idiots who sells it to buy this. Unless the slight changes provide some kind of yet unseen massive overclocking potential then this card is just a useless interim card to fill a space in the market.

Not trying to flame Nvidia here, they have no reason to push new hardware. They can hold onto new cards for quite a while because of the slow market, don't think they haven't beaten the GTX because they can't... they simply haven't needed to. They seem to be pushing for lower prices & better driver support for multi-gpu solutions, by putting more time into R&D before releases... which is FINE by me.

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Originally Posted by Mango31

Indeed... Even my BFG 8800 GTX OC WC will give the 9800 GTX a hard time at 1920x1200.

*moves on*

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On the other hand, I am feeling proud that my 8800GTX has served me for almost 1.5yrs and still going strong, stronger until 2yrs, then I may think of upgrading.

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ForceWare 174.20 updates 9800GTX Performances!

http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/471...6479287_rs.jpg

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/480...7649171_rs.jpg



3DMark03 score has jumped up from 39k to 54k.
I also notice that 9800GTX is a super clockable card. It has been clocked to 900/1269(2540)/2250MHz (CORE/RAM/SHADER)



http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=17853281

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If we see this increase Also in Games , WIndows Vista and with 9800GX2 will be very good news .



regards

Nice increase, but we want game tests, not 3DMark that is telling us that Nvidia is only working on scores in a bench in their drivers!

So my 8800GTS is good for another generation then, right?

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Originally Posted by Richard Dower

So my 8800GTS is good for another generation then, right?

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well there technically hasnt been a new generation.
you have the 320mb tho... i upgraded from the 320mb to a g92 and it made a pretty big difference. thats like a half generation step up

G92 interests me, but i fear a 55nm shrink will come real soon and the price of 65nm based cards will drop like a stone.

I'll still jump up to something, i screwed up and got a 256mb 7950gt and i think it's really hurting me @ 1680*1050. Hopefully the price on the GTS can come down.

The thing that annoys me the most about the 9800 series is that its completely killed the 8800GTS resale market without doing all that much thats different to the "older" card.

nVidias recent substandard GPU development I could live with, but when their product release choices burn their own customers to this extent, ya gotta wonder just what kind of drug dealers they have contact with. Its good **** they're selling, of that I have no doubt.

I don't understand why you get upset because you can't sell your card for as much. If you couldn't afford the whole price, you shouldn't have bought it. The only thing that has happened is the market is getting very competitive and you are just another competitor. My gts has dropped to more than half of what I paid for it a little over a year ago, but still is fine to play any games that I throw at it. I'm not sour because I spent nearly 400 dollars for a card that has served me well just because the new gen cards beat it for half the price. That is just progress.

If the 9800s actually brought something new to the table, I wouldnt mind. They dont- thats my point :)

eDRAM:rofl:

meh, im not too dissapointed, i just really wish nvidia would further technology for the sake of it, not to reap profits cuz they can.

What they need to do now is completely phase out the older generations.

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meh, im not too dissapointed, i just really wish nvidia would further technology for the sake of it, not to reap profits cuz they can.

What they need to do now is completely phase out the older generations.

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I think that's the main thing.. lots of people are eager to see new technology because we're technophiles.

Unfortunately, what a lot of people fail to consider is that sometimes the economy or business environment doesn't take kindly to new technologies being introduced for the hell of it, so tech companies have to play their cards right, and juggle this concern with investor confidence/Wall Street concerns and component pricing.

i feel the same, but i have only what is in my sign and so far i have not feelt any need for upgrade.

How could be such a great difference between the 8800GTS 512 to the 9800GTX ??
something is weird to me !!
It's almost the Same core with a little speedy memory and maybe optimizations .

There's not that big of a difference, have you checked out the review? The gtx beats the gts by only a few gts, meaning that its due to only the clock increases (which includes the extra memory bandwidth, due to the smaller memory interface than the old gtx, the extra bandwidth makes a big difference).

But I do think there's a few things nvidia is hiding from us, for instance, the power consumption is something like 40w greater at load than the gts 512 and it needs a second power connector. The small clockspeed increase alone can't add that much extra power consumption, the only possible explanations are either that engineering sample was an early modle and consumed a lot of unnecessary power, the 4 phase power supply needs some more power but allows for further overclocking (and I believe the stock vcore is higher), or the gtx has some feature we don't know about yet that slightly improves performance but adds to power consumption

But I bet $10 they aren't, people said the g92 gts tweaktown benchmarks were fake because they expected higher performance from the extra shaders, but instead only saw a few fps (which to be honest I didn't really hope for a lot more considering it was just a mere extra 16 shaders) and were upset when more reviews came up confirming it

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But I bet $10 they aren't, people said the g92 gts tweaktown benchmarks were fake because they expected higher performance from the extra shaders, but instead only saw a few fps (which to be honest I didn't really hope for a lot more considering it was just a mere extra 16 shaders) and were upset when more reviews came up confirming it

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Ok I do not know about how any of the drivers work or coding games etc.

But does a program have to know that there are all these extra shaders in order to use them, or does the driver just take care of that and allocate them depending on what is required at the moment ?

The game has to be coded to make use of them, that's why the r600 could never completely beat the gtx even though it had more than double the shaders by ati's count (though by nvidia's count that's not quite true). But either way, look at the performance difference between the 9600gt and the 8800gt, the card just has to be well optimised for games to perform well, the difference in shaders between the two g92 cards and the g94 cards is a lot smaller than most people expected


As for the driver allocating the shaders, drivers will allow the card to make use of as many shaders as it can, but its hard to truly see what today's high end cards can do since no one tries playing crysis with a 3870x2 and 5ghz wolfdale (the r600 based cards are massively bottlenecked with today's cpus for most applications, that's one reason why they take all the benching crowns but the nvidia cards win in games, they aren't held back as much by today's cpus and the high shader clock makes a huge difference)

(And) officially the PC gaming is dead......

Never before a single card was about the strongest thing you can get for more than 2 years. While Moore's law was only for CPUs it seemed to be applied to anything electronic which belonged to the enthusiast market (LCDs, PC parts) and of course the GFXs were part of the trend. I bought my GTX November 2006 and I still feel no need to swap it. Whilst this is good for me -the consumer-, for now, it would be ultimately bad for PC gaming, it means that the race of graphics, physics and AI which was taking place on PC (never in consoles) which brought us from the Ultima 1 era to Half Life 2 and Crysis and advanced AI is nearing to its end, expect the following decades to be that of stability and Japanese gaming, the West -it seems- stopped innovating from the time it rode -too- in the console bandwagon.

How I can deduce that? GFX cards' makers were always moving along the pace of their software counterparts (game developers), since they all -now- have jumped on the 2005 PC of propriety software and hardware which is named either PS3 or X360, nVidia and ATI lost their appetite to innovate and in fact -both- stagnated. Since -only- Crysis can bring present hardware to its knees and every other game is based on a mediocre 2005-2006 PC (call me console) with their mediocre 7800s/x1800s -by this time- graphics powerhouses, you can expect innovation to stagnate. Since only the Japanese can make games like Okami, from now on expect innovative games for pre-teens or wherever Japanese devs have their fantasies stucked into (and some 16 yo's skirt I have to add. Forget Fallout's, Planescape's and Unreal Tournament's cynicism, from now one we all live in the flowerland where we'll fantasize of pre-teens whilst being the effeminate lead

All hail the new 9800 GTX!!!!

empire: total war for pc later this year. personally i cant wait for that one....but well what can i do but wait patiently...and ive heard that ETW is supposed to be better optimised for dual cores at least with a new game engine...

also; cpu needs to play it's part in graphics....seeing as how there are all those cores coming along...

maybe theyll put ETW on console, and then i can keep Mum's gaming pc FOREVER!!! mwahaha

death to all gaming pc's; and all pc's now only for ...er um what exactly? CAD? :doh: they also require huge 3d rendering ability:doh:...cut out pc games you'll only lose out on a few million bucks per annum, who cares.

there is no next gen; all vapourware has been cancelled due to lack of interest.:hehe:

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Originally Posted by AliG

There's not that big of a difference, have you checked out the review? The gtx beats the gts by only a few gts, meaning that its due to only the clock increases (which includes the extra memory bandwidth, due to the smaller memory interface than the old gtx, the extra bandwidth makes a big difference).

But I do think there's a few things nvidia is hiding from us, for instance, the power consumption is something like 40w greater at load than the gts 512 and it needs a second power connector. The small clockspeed increase alone can't add that much extra power consumption, the only possible explanations are either that engineering sample was an early modle and consumed a lot of unnecessary power, the 4 phase power supply needs some more power but allows for further overclocking (and I believe the stock vcore is higher), or the gtx has some feature we don't know about yet that slightly improves performance but adds to power consumption

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The power increase from changing the clockspeeds without warning, like a speed step feature or maybe something like the 9600 does with pci-e oc? lol i dunno, but 40watt is a significant increase with no real significant structural changes..

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Originally Posted by mascaras

If we see this increase Also in Games , WIndows Vista and with 9800GX2 will be very good news .



regards

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Agreed! 3DMarks is a nice guage of potential performance, but lets see some useful numbers!

Would be nice to see GTX in SLI again those GX2 numbers also!

ahh, true, i too would like to see SLi'd 9800gtx's vs. the 9800gx2

If all this is true, I am glad I got my 8800gts g92 512mb for $180 (after rebate). For the cash, even the 8800gtx for 320 (check on-line deals) or the 9800gtx are simply not worth it if you're going by pricepoint. If I had ordered two of these guys for 360, the SLI would pwn a single 8800gtx I'm guessing the 9800gtx wouldn't beat it either. By all accounts, if we see the gts g92 come down to 180 normally, SLI might just be the way to go for a lot of people who don't mind spending around 350 on graphics.

Do we have a solid date when G92GTX is supposed to be released?

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Originally Posted by largon

Do we have a solid date when G92GTX is supposed to be released?

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Wasnt it March 25th

it comes out same day as the 790i ultra.. whenever that may be

That day is tommorow.

i thought just the gx2 was coming out tomorrow

I dont know, but nVidia has been confusing the crap out of everyone since their g92.

tomrorow as in the 18th or 19th? (since its the 18th now GMT)

The Gx2 is out.

$599 from the looks of it from NewEgg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...800gx2&x=0&y=0

today gx2 +790i
next week for the gtx

Holy crap, now who's gonna try these in Quad SLI?

I will wait more benchmarks before decide buying the card

I want to see FRAPS results @ 1920x1600 with high settings + AA...

I was misled with the X2 reviews that used time-demos because RL gaming with the X2 isn't that good, it is pretty much like the G80 GTX, if not worse (which would be ok if it wasn't for the fact the gtx is 18 months old).

Seeing this makes me kick myself and curse the day on November 2006 when I decided to wait on the r600 and not buy the g80 gtx. Once the r600 arrived and flopped I've been waiting for the 'next big card' ever since.

Still waiting, still sick of the mediocre gpu's available.

/moaning

pointless....

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

That would be me, 2 9800x2's just ordered:D We'll see come tomorrow.

andyc

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sickkkkk.........:up: enjoy man!!!!!! hopefully nVidia can deliver a good driver for QUAD SLi

Interesting observation of the GX2 from the TPU review

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Please note that the core clock of both GPUs is dependent on the PCI-Express clock signal, just like on the GeForce 9600 GT. Please read our article here for additional details.

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Are there any reviews of a single 9800GX2 vs. a pair of 3870X2's in Crossfire?

The only merit to this product in my opinion, is if it beats a pair of 3870X2's on an Intel Motherboard.

If I consider switching over to an Intel Mobo, I'd like to know the best graphics performance I can get.

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Interesting observation of the GX2 from the TPU review


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hmmm very intresting
98gtx as well maybe:confused: ??

Well, at least my 8800 GTX has provided great bang for the buck, especially since I got it when they were first available. This is kinda disappointing.

While the GX2 can beat it, that's only in games that support or scale well with SLI. Many of the games I play do not, so it would actually be a step down for me.

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Originally Posted by seamumc

Well, at least my 8800 GTX has provided great bang for the buck, especially since I got it when they were first available. This is kinda disappointing.

While the GX2 can beat it, that's only in games that support or scale well with SLI. Many of the games I play do not, so it would actually be a step down for me.

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If you've got a gtx or ultra, there's no real reason to upgrade yet.

Same goes for g92 cards.

MAYBE worth it for a g80 GTS user, as long as you can sell your old card. The upgrade from 320 to 512 gts was very noticeable for me.

its basically like going form a geforce 7800gtx 512 to a 7900gtx right?

i know people keep calling it on card but its technically not?

In Heroes - the Difference between the 8800GTS anfd the 9800GTX is almost 10 FPS -shouldn't be that kind of difference and this is with buggy drivrs !!

any news here?
price tag? reviews? release date?

$350 on zipzoomfly.

Since no one else has posted it here:

*dead link*

I just picked up a G92 8800GTS considering how cheap they can be had now. The $100 premium for the number 9 in the front and an X in the back isn't worth it, imo (well, that and faster memory). Hopefully the cores on the GTX cards scale that high, but I'll believe it when I see it on every card and not just a select pre-production model.

*edit: Crap, they removed it from the site. It was up, boooo. I'll upload it and link to it in a sec...*
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...49363322B88145