The Biostar Tforce 770 am2+ board is availabe at Newegg for 82$ + 7$ shipping.
Damn, with the $99.99 Athlon64 5000+ BE, I am mighty tempted......
...must be strong hold out for B3 Phenom and hopefully DFI LanParty DK based on 770 or 790 non-fx :)
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The Biostar Tforce 770 am2+ board is availabe at Newegg for 82$ + 7$ shipping.
Damn, with the $99.99 Athlon64 5000+ BE, I am mighty tempted......
...must be strong hold out for B3 Phenom and hopefully DFI LanParty DK based on 770 or 790 non-fx :)
Ever heard about remembering the link ? :P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138102
Bumparoo
anybody buy this board and try it yet? I just ordered one to play with the 5000+ BE until I get a dual socket system going... will make a nice PC for my old man when I'm done I think...
was just wondering what to expect from it... seems simple with basic features yet has potential... anyone have one?
Thanks
UnG
Just ordered Tseries770 with a 9600Black (($311.Total no Tax for me:D )).My Pops ordered it and is shipping it to me Via free FedX...I just couldnt wait anymore.... My 6000+ @3.5ghz is a nice Gaming rig . I needed something different ,so this will be my "Im gonna learn how to tweak a Phemon plat form!"... This will hold me over till the good stuff starts rolling out and @stock the Phenom was a good buy by all means . Hopefully in Q2 we will see a good Nvchipset for SLI or even just Single card...
Clearly it was ($350.00 less Vs me going a Q6600)@$275.// MOBO$200. //1300Mhz+Ram $200.
I can run my 1066mhz ram just fine with the new AMD platform. If i had went Intel i would of needed ram to match the FSB@1333mhz for Optimal performance..I dint feel like spending that much for a( Quad upgrade) that will be run @ stock settings down the Road.This Phenom will be more than fast enuff when im done playing around with it..Im not worried about having the Highest Oc with aQuad..I like performance and Price to match:yepp: Also ,"I like a little Oc challenge",...I cant say that about the Intel..No fun in just slapping in aQ and saying i have a fast Quad:rofl:
"Intels are nice", but i like the Way apps/Games respond with a Oced AMD and XP64bit..I know you say its just me ,,friends have said ,"My PC Oced @3.5ghz seems to respond better than thier Oced Q'6600's@3.5ghz..Even while playing the same Games..Funny comparing aQ to a X2:ROTF:
Note: check Bioses on thier site..new one is out i believe....I should have mine this weekend..
I Also just downloaded the manual....This baby has some overclock features...Even full control of Vdimm and Vcore And NB/HTvolts...memory settings.....For a Small package this thing has a decent Bios..It even has a Built in memory tester..Full manual OverClock capability....From the Seeing the Settings in manual i cant wait to get a hold of this thing...
Even has a built in reset /Reboot buttons with dual LED Function//Power on and fault indicators..Shows if its memory or VGA or Mobo that is affecting a boot with the LED's on or off..Both on = Normal ..
I don't have the 770 (yet), but I do have a Biostar Tforce 4u 939 at work. I bought it refurbished from Newegg and built a linux box for use at work out of my own pocket. I test my codes on it and then take them over to the workstations. I used to also have a Tforce 6100-939 board.
Both of them were just as good at overclocking as the DFI in my signature. They both will (would) do 300 MHz FSB easily. I think the Biostar Tforce boards are diamonds in the rough. Sometimes it will take a couple of bios revisions before Biostar gets everything right. I hope this 770 turns out to be another gem. If so, I may have to upgrade my work machine.:up:
M3A, asus's 770 board is 85+ shipping at mwave though :/
I don't like Asus AT ALL. There are more choices out there and not to be rude, but I was asking about the Biostar for less money.
Polygon over at Rebels Haven has a Tforce 770 and Phenom. See this link
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;f=53;t=000487
I haven't even had time to read it myself.....:D
Polygon is a straight shooter... He will do a good job of testing the board...:up:
I bought my Tforce 939-6100 based on his reviews... wish I had kept it.:(
Agreed... biostar seem to have best bios team for overclocker... watching how the bios option arrangement and special add-on like memtest86 embended inside the bios... make you wonder who is the guy behind that bios.. :worship:
Price is good.. and i should said it is best bang for the buck! :up:
Polygon is very good in bios modding as well. Prepare some nasty bios mod from him. He should have no problem modding the bios... :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by trueblue
EDIT : Polygon picture
http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770M2011108-1.jpg
GRAB IT FAST! :worship:
i had a T-Force 6100-939, it reminded me alot of the DFI nF4 Ultra-D i also had. seeing this board just makes me want to get it since its soo cheap and because the i know the potential is there.
i really miss having a AMD system, i just might try this out.
It looks like Polygon has been busy: look here
Yep, it looks like some real BIOS pros are going to help us wring an awful lot out of a 78 DOLLAR MOTHERBOARD. I mean really, what can you get for 78 bucks that you argue and debate over for the next few months and then resell for most of what you paid. I'm looking forward to it. Cheap chips and cheap motherboards make for super ghetto mods with no worry for Ugly.
cheap stuffs + great overclock = l337!
Rebels Haven posted this screen shot in the discussion thread for the board, but is saying something about the title not coming out correctly:
http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2modbios-2.jpg
Edit: Their site is really slow for some reason.
gOtVoltage Have u already got your TA770 ? Interesting how it clocks with K8 and Phenom =)
Rebels Haven has several screenies posted like these in their TA770 discussion thread:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...tis/B06nba.jpg
http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2+011908-4.jpg
Also looks like the Boss is working on this:
http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2modbios-3.jpg
told ya.. lucky you.. hehe
edit, im an idiot :)
btw when will Biostar come with a 790FX board?
Probably when SB700 is out, just like Foxconn will…
Im working with about four different bioses...So far Biostar dosnt let the BE run unlocked even when the NPT FID is implimented..I cant change the multis with moded Bios but it shows all of them up to 4900mhz..Its like i own a regular 9600...Ive hit 2.53ghz already but dint take the Screenine..
Ive been Swaping Bioses starting with the stock one which wouldnt go 1mhz over200fsb:shakes: Progress is good..But My multi's wont work untill Biostar Gives us a bios with working FID's period..
@Polygons Bios Mods ,can easily get 2.4- 2.5 stable..I havnt had time to test all that much. Ive Only had the borad since last night..Tomorrow i will be swaping bioses all day.So maybe ill have better results.
Ive Also tested AOD 2.14beta on this mobo and its seems buggy with any bios. AOD BSOD's while any attemp to raise clocks or Vcore in AOD .Also AOD cant read numerous sensors on the Mobo. Bios related not CPU.
After playing for a few hours $@@!~!#@ at settings..i believe it comes down to crappy Bioses from vendors...The memory is always 400mhz unless the FSB is raised..HT defaults to 200mhz with NB @1800mhz..This Ts770mobo has lots of potential .We just need a good bios.. My K9N-neo-F runs better with a K9N-SLI Platinum Bios...It even clocked my first 5600+ to 3.3ghz..Go figure. Now the poor K9 runs my LE@3.3ghz:D Maybe a different Bios from a 790X may work who knows..i dont have spare Bios to try:D
A happy thought . The Ts770 Booted first try and runs @ specs with 15c idle @2.4ghz X4. Im Using the most recent AMD CnQ driver along with AMD virtualization enabled in the Bios .This way i can use AOD overdrive to view temps and cores and also use the stress test which works..I am NOT overclocking using AOD...... I will only OC in the BIOS.......Plus i just wanted to see if AOD worked anyhow..:D
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...B06biosMod.jpg
All Bioses the ram set @ 400mhz even when i set it manualy to 400/533/667/800/1066..Biose would keep it set to 400/divider or 800mhz total..In this case it was @ 840mhz overall.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u.../memoryB21.jpg
Mod B06bios gets FSB up to 230 before it gives problems..This was @210fsb with 420mhz ram.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...400B21bios.jpg
I hope Biostar starts kicking us some good bioses...@Polygon also has a Moded Bios with TLB switch for this mobo now:up:
anway, can i ask.. what current bios u use?? seem like bios in their website got too many bugs...
can share the link to the bios that you used??
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;f=53;t=000463Quote:
Originally Posted by xixo_12
Read everything.
Note :some Bioses can be buggy...
Ive tried each one listed and Was able too boot no matter what..You must have a Phenom with any of these bioses to be Stable/Boot properly...Biostar needs to come out with a functioning NPTFID// CPU-Nb vcontrol or a Memory controler Volt adjustment...With these options the chip will do better..
Ive Also found there is no way to really up the Volts of the memory controler in any of these bioses..Including Stock. By just only raising the Vcore ,its just not enuff and only adds heat in the Kitchen.There needs to be an adjustment for the memory controler Volts to be stable while overclocking...Phenom acts simalar to Ocing a 6400+ or 6000+, needs Volts for memory controler! HT and memory setting are a whole new ball game..I can not use any of the memory dividers although ive set each one manually it defaults to 400mhz!
The Mod Bios A78XAB21.A7X is pretty good and the B06.nba/ZXX bios pretty decent..
I also Used the Flash tool that is built into the mobo..Works to flash 100%! Or you can use a bootdisk and use AWDFlash. Make shure the Board is not Overclocked while flashing!
The Bioses are in link at the top:up:
@Polygon is working extremly hard , many late nights ! He's The Bios king with this Ts770 that all i know!. Thank him for the Bioses not me:yepp:
I just got my board, going to try it with a 5000 BE. So we can see how it does for the price it was....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
300fsb easy..with a 5000+BE,Polygon tested this before running Phenom..It wasnt his max either!
I'll start benching Friday, I dug up an old Powerstream 620 to use with it but my eyes need more daylight to work with when it come to plugging things into motherboards. I did put together the basic package... teaser pic :) I'll post a new thread with the build process, I'm still waiting for the 3850 so I'll start with a PCI basic card and do CPU only. All costs in this will probably make an excellent budget gaming system. If only I played games ... lol
Nice...X2's do good with em..i cant wait for Biostar to get a More optimal bios with memory settings that work with Phenom.Also the Multiplyer function Dosnt work With Phenom at the moment..All my over clocks are just on FSB and HTsettings.
This is funny , Did i set a Ts770 FSB record, Also note the uber Low Multi:rofl:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...a/safemode.jpg
nice setup Ugly n Grey...
but u change the chipset cooler??
Yeah, I'm sure the passive cooler is fine for a stock box but I hope toQuote:
Originally Posted by xixo_12
a) push this as hard as I can
b) I wanted to lower the height of the chipset cooler, the stock passive was just too high.
It's just a cheap LED solid copper cooler but it removes a point of air turbulence coming into the Ultra and stops (I think) the chipset heat sink from picking up some thermals from the video card.... I admit, I didn't even test the passive cooler, just changed it before I even fired up the board.
Edit: gOtVoltage that is a super low multi... wtf.... hehehehe
Polygon just posted a new bios over at rebelshaven, apparently this one allows for multiplier adjustment.
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=10
wow..updated.. i hope it can work well at am2 proc.. wanna oc my am2 proc..
The updated Mod Bios should work Just Fine on a X2:up: Im testing it as im typing ..
Heres a stock bech on 9600BE... CPU score is lot faster than my 6000+@3.5ghz which only did 2700+ for CPU Score:yepp: Seems that my GTS is held back..This dosnt happen with X2 Cpu's.I believe its because the Bios cant properly optimize memory and HT while running a X4, thus it also affects Videocard performance. Using a X2 you wont see this type of problem..Ive read where Bad Bios was crippling the M2N32deluxe and Videocard performance with Phenom,,((Kazgirl)) has updated from a buggy Bios with M2N32deluxe .The new one she is using also doubled her 3Dmark06 and overall performance basicaly..Shes now @11500+ on the M2N32deluxe...This leads me to say that if a AM2 can get a boost ,the Ts770 is in dire need of a well writen bios..So far i can run 230fsb with stock multi..
http://forums.amd.com/forum/messagev...&enterthread=y
Ts770 a Wolf in Sheeps skin.
Below is the First Bench Run @2300mhz and all stock settings//800mhz memory 5-5-5-18 2T ,,Running Newest Modded Bios from Polygon @ Rebelshaven. He's really on top of things for this Mobo:up:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...00gts512st.jpg
wow.. more bios from polygon. great. way to go..
By the way Polygons newest Bios works better than any of the BIOSTAR bioses..
Biostar has also removed the 116.BST from thier site! It did not work properly,,..NPT FID was suppose to be adjustable and was not for the 9600BE or 5000+BE from Biostar.
I believe the Mod from Polygon has fixed this for the 5000+BE...It is not yet fixed for the 9600BE though..
Rebels have this listed as an alpha release meaning it may be a little buggy still. Their download page is here.....
This is what was added:
http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2modbios-4.jpg
Also with newest Bios....NPT FID does not work on PhenomBE yet so this is with the FSB Only...
I have time to test Bios but no time to bench..Once i get what i feel is a decent 100% Oc ill start with some Prime SuPi and 3Dmark06...Im just working on what bios functions do what ,,Its getting realy interesting now!
The NPT Fid option had to be set Above 2900mhz to get 2760mhz..Although the Fid dosnt work for 9600BE , it affected the actual Mhz @boot up. Also the Screens below were with CnQ OFF! I Can run with it on ,but wanted to see what would happen with the Startup Voltage when set to off..I found it very interesting! 2760mhz Screens are below. no Bsod's no reboots, just crazy!
If i did not adjust (NPT FID) in this way it would show 1600mhz @boot or even some random overclock ..(Most interesting AMD i have Ever OverClocked)..Tweaking a X2 on the ts770 will be pure pleasure compared to playing with this thing.
All My Oveclocks are only able to run with memory @400mhz, Cant change divider it defaults to 400mhz..Only way to raise is by FSB overclock.
240fsb x 2 = Memory @440mhz x2 = 880mhz real clocks 5-5-5-18- 2T for now.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...a/HPIM0685.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...off2760mhz.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...Uzconfused.jpg
bro, can show some oc using phenom or X2??
waiting for Ugly n Grey setup
I'm trying now with the stock BIOS so I understand for myself what difference are before I use a mod BIOS.
At stock volts with only a multi change on the stock BIOS I'm 3.3 Ghz prime stable so far. Cooling is the Ultra seen in the pic above, temps hovering at 33-34c when loaded.... (is that normal btw ?) ambient is about 22c.
Im currently trying the Mod Bioses for stability and to see what options really function and what dosnt under a Phenom 9600BE only at this time..Quote:
Originally Posted by xixo_12
The X2BE 5000+ and 6400+will overclock with 300+ FSB and the 5000+BE can use the Unlocked Multis' from wha tive already seen. I havnt had time to test my 6000+@3.5ghz or have access to a Nice 6400+ for max clocks on my 770 yet! Regular X2's work fine as well as my LE 1620..:yepp:
Im patiently awaiting more Bios tweaks for optimization on the Phenom, ill swap chips and Retest all settings with my 6000+ once the Phenom has working NPT FID..and a few more tweaks.
So if anyone else has a X2 on this mobo with the Mod Bios,, let us know how its functioning.
Currently ((Polygon)) is working with the Phenom tweaks in particular.
for the moment, i didnt try the mod bios, will try after get back my PSU from RMA, before this using the bios from biostar website n have difficulties in oc, the multiplier auto change.. so the clock speed will reduce n cant get any stabiliy there.. so sad, but will try later with this mod bios.. i want my psu faster:D
The Biostar Bioses are auto defaulting...The MOD Bioses YOU should RUN WITH PHENOM the stock bios will be fine for X2.Quote:
Originally Posted by xixo_12
Also Make shure DUAL CORE OPTIMIZATION DRIVER is UNINSTALLED from system before you INSTALL AMD CnQ driver!
I had installed the Phenom driver and removed the dual core driver after , Its a big mistake! Simple to overl@@k.
It gave the TA770 and Phenom a 3000 piont performance hit in 3Dmark06 @ stock clocks @2300mhz with my GTS512mb.
((((This will only happen with a Phenom installed , it does not affect any X2!))))
I am still below what a 2200mhz Phenom should bench with simalar card due to the TLBpatch. this causes a 20/30% performance loss with my GTS512mb.
Tommorow i will install a 3870 and rerun my benches for a chipset to videocard comparison.
Proggress is very good with the TA770:up: Even though i still have the TLB performance hit and a fully un optimized Bios! this is with the Biostar 116.BST recalled driver. I now need to bench the Newest Mod driver with the changes i have done and see how this affects my Oc!
1st bench run @ 2300mhz Phenom and GTS512
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...00gts512st.jpg
(Same settings 2300mhz )
After finding and full removing Dual Core Optimization Driver.
ADD/Remove programs only removed it from the list and did not install it! Most likely because i had installed the (AMD phenom driver) before i uninstalled the (Dual Core Driver):yepp:
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...NewRun9000.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Temps seem about Right ,,Its very low TDP:up: My LE1620 @3.3ghz on water is just below That and barely makes 24c fully loaded at 21c ambiant:ROTF:
You are only 2c higher than the 10c Delta ambiant differance which is good if i remember correctly.
Told you guys the TA770 is very X2 Oc friendly..Im Not trying to be smart ,its just worth every penny!
I have to agree, in terms of the ability to OC my BE 5000+ the board is absolutely nuts for the price. I've switched to the current BIOS posted on the BIOSTAR website and that fixed the problem I was having generating high FSB's.
I'm currently sitting at +.050 voltage increase (1.425) at 3.25Ghz~ pushing the RAM . The sticks are a cheap set of OCZ's but I've managed to tweak some more performance out of them with tighter timings..... so basically I'm testing FSB at the moment. sitting at 250FSB and ram at 464~ 4 4 4 12 2T with the 13x multi
I had to push some more volts to stabilize the FSB increase, I may have a chip that's a little weak in the memory controller area. Temps are barely affected by the volt change (3c ~) and I'm increasing FSB 5Mhz at a time.
What I absolutely hate so far, is that everytime you enter the BIOS it drops the CPU multi by .5 .... how frigging annoying....
that why hate for.. why when restart it will drop .5.. no stability in bios.. hope they will fix faster..
I have the cheap DDR2 RAM running stable at 535 (1070 DDR 2 effective 5,5,5 15) with the proc running at 3210MHz. There is definitely more in the FSB of this RAM and this board. Once I hit a point I think is good I will try and tighten up the RAM again though for 40 bucks worth of RAM (total 2x1Gig) I'm not sure I'd be radically disappointed if it stopped there.
Downside: high FSB on my chip requires .05 additional volts in order to keep the RAM stable. Not that it's a bad thing, I have tons of cooling headroom.
Prognosis: BIOS needs work, but I have no fear BIOSTAR will fix it and guys like Polygon will mod it to make it even better, so there's a good future with this board. It sure is clocking the x2 nicely.
luckily we have polygon, so many thanx. if not maybe is the time to say gudbye to this mobo
looks like polygon managed to control nptfid of core0 in his latest mod. gotvoltage has you test it? wow.. would be great if we can have independent multiplier control for phenom..
I just picked up the board as well. Great bang for the buck, but the BIOS is definitely buggy. I'm using an X2.
So far, I've noticed the following:
- CPU multi decreases by 1/2 every time you enter the BIOS.
- CPU multiplier can increase regardless of what is set in the BIOS. Forcing the Vid to something other than 'Auto' seemed to correct this. I set 8x, and can get 10x once booted.
- HT Multi (1000/800/600 etc) reverts to 'Auto' after reboot, or entering the bios. This one is causing me headaches at high HTT, I think.
I'm also getting no-post after reboots. I have a feeling this has to do with the HT muliplier/frequency failing to 'stick' in the BIOS. On a positive note, I am able to get into windows at 350MHz :) I think that once these kinks are worked out, the board will be a great, stable overclocker--especially for X2s.
before this i'm using ta690g.. i have the feeling that this mobo will have same capabilities as much as ta690g.. so i just straight away to buy it eventhough the bios is still buggy..
ta690g is a very good mobo to overclock .. n it seem applies to this mobo.. but need to wait the bios first..
u can still oc your rig but will face some trouble...
New bios for Biostar TA770 :up:
125.BST
Date : 28/1/2008
Download Link:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/upload/Bios/A78XA125.BST
Thanks for the post TICTAC, I was just thinking I might shelve this board for a while, I hope this fixes the issues :)
Going to try it out tonight as well, thanks for the link :)
I've tried the new BIOS and it fixes most issues I was having with the multi's changing on the fly etc...... I'm not entirely sure but I think offhand it's affected my ability to get the RAM up higher. Now why would that be? not that it matters, lower with tight timings is fine for me. I will fool around with it more and post results.
Is NPT the memory controller on the cpu?
NPT FID is the multiplier for procs, NPT VID is the base voltage for the proc.
will post OC later
Edit: progress halted, fried PSU (probably from sitting around for two years in teh freezing cold) :( . New one coming Thursday.
I flashed to the 125 bios without issue, going to push the HTT again and see what has changed. I'll post back soon.
UPDATE: I can confirm a few bug fixes, including the CPU multiplier dropping and the HTT multiplier/frequency not sticking in the BIOS. I'm very happy to see this, I'll post back with some results. I've got a 6000+ in the board now.
Thx, searched the AMD BKD Guid for NPT and it was only mentioned in relation to the memory controller. So you are in a similar situation than I am with the M3A, waiting for proper phenom vcore settings. ;) First bios had deactivated cpu multi and non working prozessor voltage field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Great board for X2s. No trouble getting to 350MHz HTT with my 6000+. Can't seem to break this limit at default chipset voltage. I up'ed it a bit, but didn't seem to make a difference. 350MHz still great though. Solid as a rock and no reboot issues like before either. Definitely work flashing to this BIOS rev.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=304703
No need for me to run these high HTTs with a 6000+ and 5000BE :) But always like to see where the ceiling is.
Also i just finished testing The latest mod Bios Core 0 indeed works..Polygon is really on to something :up: Biostar couldnt evn make it work for the 9600BE.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
I am patiently toying with the TA770..It by far will be one of the Best budget boards with Fully controlable Bios for X2 and Phenom once these Bioses get better.
Oems should make a rule not to release any MOBO untill all the Functions they claim work actually work...
I like messing with the TA770 .Still beats spending $270+ for a FX..I only use One Card and will never Xfire or SLI..The 780//790x and FX share simalar problems with Bioses ..Just some Oems are faster at making them better than others:yepp:
It pays to give things a chance...
I never read a book with out looking inside ,,There fore ,, One shall not judge by the Cover:yepp:
Thanks for BIOSTAR linky TicTac
Note: 125.BST Biostar dosnt have NPT Fid for 9600BE..Works stable a stock settings with DDR1066 @533mhz,,Make shure you set HTwidth to 16x and HT freqency to 2.6mhz for best overall performance with stock settings:up:
P.S. LemonLime,, Nice budget X2 mobo Ehhh,,Clocks like a charm with X2.
gotvoltage.. can you run 2.6ghz ht link stable with this board?
So far i can with stock settings 125.BST 1066mhz
The newest Mod NB 2600mhz and HT 2400mhz and 1066mhz memory...
Will run some prime after one more Bios...
Ive done countless Back to back runs with 3Dmark06 and Tons of SuPi runs with out any problems...Ive just been putting it off because im swapping Bios every 10minutes:ROTF: A working NPT Fid Bios will be Icing on the Cake..Seeing running the 9600BE the NPT is borked. Polygon is on a Bios roll Today:up:
Update New Mod Bios XXX Priming @2600mhz NB and 2400mhz HT with 1066mhz memory setting,,pretty dang smooth even while playing music and Surfing Forums!
Just need to get the Width IN/OUT set to 16x and a Working NPT Fid with this Bios,, then the real fun will start:D
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...00NB2400HT.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...linkspeeds.jpg
Here is a small update on TA770//9600BE @ stock Settings. GTS512 stock settings.
Default Bios 125.BST was used..
So far
Deafault@ 2300mhz and HT Auto settings Bios.
3Dmark06 = 6200+
HTlink/Width 16x and HT set to 2.6.
3Dmark06 = 9000+
HTlink/Width 16x and HT set to 2.6,,AOD Disable TLB/RED Option Button
3Dmark06 = 10800+
Progress ,, Testing new Mod TS6 for results..So far Link width or Pci-E still limits to 6200+ in 3Dmark06..Regardless of running 2.4ghz or 2.5ghz..New Modbios tweaks are helping to Oc higher but keep the Pci-E limited some how..will know more later..
The Goal now is to improve the ModBios over the 125.BST ,while Overclocking!..Eventually the ModBios will be able to get 2.5ghz or more..with out the wierd Pci-E//Ht problem...Then we should get 13000+ or better with a stock GTS512!
very cool, thanks for the update
gotvoltage.. wait.. aint that gts pcie 1.0 gen card, while amd 770 is pcie gen2!
Cant get my 3870x2 to post with the TA770
using two 6pin connectors and themaltake Silent 750psu..
I know its not PSU....Runs two GTS//GTX//3870 just fine...
The GTS512 ran good..
Removed it and the Drivers,,Drivercleaner ,,
Cleared CMOS and Pulled Battery
Installed New 3870x2 (with both connectors)
No LED's are lit on VideoCard(Normal)
If i disconnect any of the Two Pci-e connectos then i will get the waring LED's on the VideoCard(Normal)
It just wont Post period,,Blackscreen and then the Normal post single beep....Like the Monitor is off,,Cant get into bios..Dosnt initialize the Monitor!
I also tried a spare X1550XT and X1650XT,,both work with out any drivers !!!!
I hope this isnt a deadcard:(
P.S. GTS512 was fully uninstalled using DriverCleaner and i have Not Installed any ATI drivers yet...The 3870x2 just wont intialize the monitor!
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3...2292hs8.th.jpg
result with ta770 latest official bios
wow, look at that voltage... suicide shot xixo ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Nice Oc ,, now thats Extreme Volt clocking hehee:D
L,ightning E,dition 1620:yepp:
that one is symptom of lazy overclocking.. juz wanna try tis 45w and thermaltake bigtyphon VX.. and there is the result.. i decided to stop push at 3550mhz and just playing the voltage.. so fun when it can feed until 1.7v.. n there is room to push the vcore.. later i will include how far it can go with that voltage..
just wanna try the latest bios.. and i feel it still buggy..:down:
Overclock LE1620
the link to oc..look at post #1136
Why do you say that? I haven't had any problem with it using a x2 ... zero. Latest BIOS fixed the basic problems I was having, only thing that changed for the worse is voltage settings for the RAM are off. I'm just curious to see what's up.
UnG
Biostar TA770 review
Phenom 9600 at 2.93GHz
Link:
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl...2071945/6.html
haha.. i found, when i set to 285mhz , it will drop at 282.. wondering why..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
but if compare to previous bios, this bios fixed major problem.. so :clap: to biostar staff
Yeah I've seen the rounding it does on the FSB. It seems to me that it "rounds off" the clocks to what it can handle for divisors and even though the options are there for 1Mhz increments, it's more like increments of whatever works with the divisors. Weird, but doable. I notice there's less of that with the half multi's.
hope polygon upgrade it..:ROTF:
Hey UnG, i have a quick questionQuote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
last time i had an AMD was back in 939times, so with your current OC with the 5000BE, how would you compare that with intel?
that combo you have with the TA770 & 5000BE looks too good to pass up
It's a little less snappy than an Opty 939 at those frequencies. But... board features have improved, it's way cooler than any opty I ever had as measured from anywhere using a real thermal probe and it was less than 200 bucks for processor and board shipped.... In terms of performance over all the unit feels really good and I'm quite pleased with the memory bandwidth (11G/s). The PWM area on the board is not cooled with anything , but with the unit folding full blast it doesn't really get hot - you can stick your fingers on the PWM area and leave them there... big diff from my DFI NF4 days. I teamed it up with a 3870 and the performance is very nice. It's like a budget gaming rig that actually delivers. The 3870 cost as much as the CPU/BOARD/RAM put together. In terms of vs C2D you need about 300-400 Mhz over a C2D to put up similiar performance. So it's a fair match with guys running up to around 3Ghz C2D's. As far as what to choose, I've been able to run Pi at 3.5Ghz and could probably stabilize it, but I want the higher FSBs and lower temps so stopped at 3250MHz for 24/7. (all on air mind you and software monitor never reads over 40c in the case)
I've heard KTE grumbling about 770 based boards, but real world testing isn't backing up his data for me. It's cool, it's stable and it was as cheap as a lady of the night having a Sunday sale.
This whole scenario might be entirely different with a Phenom, but Phenom isn't value for money in my opinion. If I was buying a quad it would be Intel, hands down.
Ugly n Grey: There is no real world data with Phenom+Biostar TA770 A2+ apart from Polygon that I know, if you know of any then please point me to it -> I've not seen one user bench 2.65-3GHz Phenom on a 770 board for prolonged periods like 790FX users have, nor have I seen them get it stable, nor any folding on it and run it for over a week or two, nor any 8hr +2.5G priming without problems on air cooling. Sparky I advised against using a 9600 BE with 770 boards when you have better options, was hoping for +2.7G oc's and that's exactly why I advised that. We only have all this data for 790FX and Phenom so far. Without this I can only say what I'm advised to. Stock all or stock volts, things should be fine on any AM2+ board out there with Phenoms including 100-300MHz oc's on near stock volts.
This is an oddity with Phenom on any board, not just specific with this board. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by review
Does it not say in my post this might be different with Phenom? In fact it does, I'm not picking on you, just saying that in my experience this board offers good value for the money coupled with a cheap x2 AM2. In my case, it's a 5000+ BE . My board is folding and 24hr prime stable and for what I paid it's fun value.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I say again, I don't think Phenom is value for money with any board, not just this one.
To your point, it's not just Polygon testing the board, it's basically everyone in that thread on Rebels. In my point of view the fact is running a high voltage OC on a Phenom with any board is a waste of time with air cooling especially given the current results. Too many misses and not enough hits.
However, to each their own.
I like your posts KTE, you're knowledgeable and well read on the topics. But I'd rather blow up a low cost piece of hardware by pushing it too hard then have smooth sailing on a higher priced product. There's a certain fun value in seeing how far anything will run past spec.
NB Speed @ 4.6GHz
Biostar TA770
Tuned by Polygon :up:
http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2+020808-1.jpg
Polygon is kicken out some nice bioses,, Gets better by the day! Now i can run 5600NB and 1800HT :D Priceless...
Makes the whole system respond better period. Amazing
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...0htcpu2300.jpg
Not that i don't believe Polygon managed to make this happen,but >5Ghz on the NB/L3 sounds pretty unrealistic?Maybe the CPuz is just reading these values while in reality nothing changes?
gOtVoltage can you run some Everest cache benchmarks and CPUz latency tool?This would clearly show a large improvement in bandwidth and latency of the L3 cache,if true taht is.
Thanks and i hope for the best :)( ie. it's true and you run your NB at 5.6GHz :D)
Phenom NB World Record! :worship: :pimp:Quote:
Originally Posted by gOtVoltage
Damn this is all so exciting :D.Seems liek it really does have a positive effects,at least in SPi it does ! :D
Keep us updated tictac(as you see new info from gOtVoltage or Polygon)
It does work,, trial edtion of Everest ultimate..you can still see it improved the MB/s,, Latency.Even though the latency xxx,,When it comes to MB/s Lower is better in all scores... NB helps with almost everything..The lower the score the faster the system will be...
Remeber this is CPU@2300mhz and only Raising the NB:yepp: Even more so the NB will help the chip become faster with every 100mhz Core raise. Its noticable speed increase,, It all adds up in the End.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u.../NB2800mhz.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u.../NB5600mhz.jpg
Ive also been playing around with my little ATIx2...ill talk about this another day..
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...0mhz3870x2.jpg
My 9500 is totally maxed out in this screenie:
http://www.lejabeach.com/pics4/TF770A2+020908-3.JPG
Wow,,So i gotta up the anti and start Overclocking this thing real soon...
this will get intersting...1.5volts+ here i come:ROTF:
Working out a few 3870x2 bugs then ill start crankin up the CPU..
Ill have some good 8500 real soon to push with too.. Imaxed my Crucial Ballistix at about 1100mhz with 1066/divider(Rev 2.3)! Darn heatsinks suck on them.
Now Can you go more if you lower th NB a little?
P.S. Amazing work Bro!:yepp:
UPDATE : New Bioses with up to 6200mhz NB!!!!
The Mod Bioses Are Phenom Only with TLB disabled and will run Ganged and Unganged even at 1066mhz..
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=40
This is real and Polygon is up to 6300mhz+ on NB.......
My 9600BE @2300mhz NB6200mhz HT1800mhz
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...66_6200mhz.jpg
9600 Black Edition at 6.2GHz NB Speed... :woot:
you gotta be kidding :up:
Haha LOL! :D
Run some bandwidth/32M benches please. You should crack 18k Sandra with those MHz damn easily.
If the Northbridge can clock up to 6200Mhz... what's holding the core frequency back?
I thought that too much frequency at the northbridge was the problem, and thats why we were using dividers... but now I don't get it... even 3Ghz core clock is hard to get working.
No. The problem is the Phenom chip itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andi64
Im new to using Sandra Sisoft..But i believe this is good my 2300mhz 9600BE .If im reading correct it outperforms the 9700.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...23006200nb.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...66_6200mhz.jpg
9600BE @2300 6200mhzNB 1800mhzHT 1066mhz/memory. No TLB Fix enabled
MOD Bios 6200mhzNB . using the Default 11.5 core multi 11.5 x 200fsb
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...effincency.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...softcpurun.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...tcpumemLAT.jpg
Any Sandra memory bandwidth numbers gOtVoltage?
How much volts did you require to oc NB?
I dont know how to run 32m Sandra with this but look at these..Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...idthsisoft.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...formancebw.jpg
CPU is @ 1.3volts and its stable at 1.29v volts . Which is only two steps up from stock..HT volts are 1.3v and NB/SB is 1.19v
This is so much faster already and Biostar Bioses arent even close to running everything at full speed , The Mod bioses are night and day over stock and are still limeted because they dont run at full speed either...
Polygon is running a 9500 @ 2553mhz with 6300mhz NB...
Something is seriously wrong with that NB reading in CPUZ! In reality NB doesn't work on 6+ GHz, and Sandra memBW test is showing that!
Here is Sandra 2008 SP1 memBW score on Phenom 9700 @ default freq.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6...1024hi8.th.jpg
Well, compare those with Sami who ran a ~2.3GHz NB vs. ~2.5GHz NB to show it's effects on Sandra bandwidth to us with loose standard timings (no tweaks at all). My tests gave the same results on two 9600 BE's.
Which version of Sandra are you using?
I wish I could get hold of this board around here to check out. :(
Stock Phenom 9600 BE DDR2-800 Sandra 32b is like so: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=926
HERE is Sandra 2008 SP1 memBW score on Phenom 9600BE@ default with 6200mhzNB XPx64bit....it scores roughly 500points more than the 9700@2400mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
HIHGER is BETTER.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u.../6200nbamd.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...wrunsisoft.jpg
No CPU-Z isnt broke and yes Phenom will run @6200mhz NB .I suppose SuPi and AOD and Coretemp and My bios and Sandra is broke...Everything is noticably faster..Even 3Dmark06 picked up over 200points from stock NB2600mhz to 6200mhz NB.
SuperPi even scores Lower several seconds lower going from 2600mhz to 6200mhz @CPU default 2300mhz and 1800mhzHT.
RebelsHaven" Polygon" and others are doing what im showing you.
http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=40
KTE thanks for the Link that just reashured me heheee..This is fricken so good for Phenom...I cant wait for a real good Bios for Polygon to get his hands on...
wow.. wonder how it will perform at full potential. tighter timing higher clock. congrats for WR :worship:
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Changed the Mutli to 12x instead of 11.5..everthing else the same shaved off 1 more second! Lots of potential..
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...a/24006200.jpg
My Xp x64bit Phenom Driver and CnQ seems to be the culprit to locking my system with FSB overclocking..When i set the FSB and Extra Volts in Bios the CnQ and or Phenom Driver locks at windows sign in..Also Vcore its always 1.25v in AOD even when CPU-Z reads higher set Vcore. Lastly if i disable CnQ i can boot up into Windows with out safe mode BIOS set to 250x 11.5 = 2875mhz...but it will only be half speed in windows:mad:
So i may need to buy another Os..i may even hold out a few more weeks and see if another Biostar Bios gets released,,.the next one is suppose to have lots of fixes.
ok run with cnq off. make a cpuz dump and send it to make. maybe we can find way to solve your half speed issue..