Yes as you read......I think that there are BAD NEWS.... :(
i680 and i780 will NOT support retail Yorkfield as I informed.... :(
I hope they find a solution but I realy doupt about that..... :(
NVIDIA doesn't give licence for the SLI to INTEL, so INTEL is "playing tricks" with them with the new CPUs.... :(
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Haha, battle of the giants.
Tho I bet the 45nm issue on nVidia is something else. nVidia and chipset quality is not something that can be used in a positive sentense.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Looks like ati will be the way to go.
Thanks for the info :clap:
PS: love ur work :up:
Doh, means I'll have to fork out to replace my i650 board...
lol so intel plays the same game as nvidia now?
It will be interesting to see what turns out to be the cause of the incompatibility. could you explain the problems? what kind of issues are there?
lol, more like giant vs. mouse. It just so happens that nvidia is the dominant force in the graphics industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Is that official, or "not-official, but probably true" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Lol Nice one by Intel :D I hope nVidia fuys will finally use their brains and let Intel use SLI...
Curious as well.... how does Intel prevent theirs CPU to work on a certain chipset?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
is this related to this news topic?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=165674
These threads should be combined:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=165674
They dont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotrsama
There was a nVidia chipset that couldnt handle quadcores aswell if I dont remember wrongly.
Anyway, I bet nVidia just took the shortroute. Now people also got a reason to upgrade to i790...
Is this tested with the Asus i680 non reference board aswell?
OMG bad news.... but... mmm meybe i780 support 45nm... it no?
I believe that people is working on 780's bios to support it and have a good performance and a good reading of multi
It will be interesting to see how this turns out. I'm done with Nvidia Motherboards, have been for awhile now and this doesn't help.
Not really. Intel's imbedded graphics takes up more of the graphics market than Nvidia. While Nvidia DOES carry the performance crown, and has for quite some time, Intel still has most of the graphics industry. Something like ~60% isn't it? I can't remember the exact number, 60% could be far off, I just remember they have more of the market than Nvidia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicksterr
I almost bought a 680i chipset to do 8800GT SLI... Guess I made the good choice going with a X38 :D
Oh fudgecakes. I just ordered 2 new GFX cards for SLI to pair with my Yorkie!
Its very roughly 40/30/30 between Intel, nVidia and AMD in the GFX.Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx]Baleful
I wasn´t expecting this :confused:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...029062106.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
:)
They could have not give all the specifications. But as yorkfield has supposed to work with a bunch of old intel chipset:Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotrsama
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3138
"Elsewhere in the land of Intel chipsets, we have several manufacturers that will offer a combination of Wolfdale and/or Yorkfield compatibility on their 945GC-based motherboards. While this chipset does not specifically support 1333FSB operations, a couple of manufacturers have worked their BIOS magic to provide support. We might even see support on the venerable 975X chipset as ASUS is in the process of validation testing for their workstation boards. Even though the P965 chipset does not officially support the 45nm processor families, we have MSI offering BIOS support for two of their boards. We also expect to see "unofficial" support on the latest performance oriented P965 boards from ASUS and Gigabyte if stability problems when overclocking can be overcome. We will be testing a couple of their boards next week to see how well they work."
I think it's a bit unfair to say it's Intel Fault. :shrug:
But I don't know if hipro is just disappointed or if he has some "real" informations. The word "retail" look like there was something new between es and retail?
So much for all the supports 45nm CPU claims from the likes of Asus/Gigabyte, they all claimed it would work on i650/i680 boards with a bios update, surely they would have closely examined all the compatibility issues before adding such claims?
Perhaps intel forced board makers to drop adding bios support for the new Intel CPU's, or else suffer the consequence of non delivery of their chipsets?
I think both parties just shot themselves in the foot.
If you look at Steam survey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=165628
Multi-GPU Systems (100 of 19219 Total Users (0.52% of Total)
and consider that mean something,
or consider sli support with vista
...
you see that it's far to be clear that Intel shot in their foot if they don't have sli (intel or nvidia chipset)
:shrug:
It's a pee peeing contest. Tit for tat.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Is there any official announcement? I recall Asus would give a bios update to support Penryn and that was very official. Are you sure about it Hipro5 or it is just a rumor or a misunderstanding? Intel would not screw Asus like this and Asus would not screw its customers after once announced it a month ago.
Metroid.
Hilbert @ Guru3D said he got a beta bios for his 680i so he could do SLI for his QX9650 review...
Slow your roll guys, the beta bios does exist.
??? To go where...Quote:
Originally Posted by n3wbi3
They products are so good lately:rolleyes:
Here's to you daamit, for the brigher future::toast2:
We got no more...
It's a sad state of affairs for those of us that have 680i boards if this turns out to be deliberate. But, with that said, it would be a wake-up call long overdue nVidia. SLi being restricted to a sub-performing chipset for the only purpose of being able to sell that chipset has been bulls**t since day one.
Oh yes, they would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metroid
I'm confused. Kingpin showed results 2 weeks ago using a Yorkfield and 680i board with cards in SLI. Scroll down to post #96 here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=159081&page=4
Why is this all of a sudden news that it can't be done, when it has already been shown that it works? :confused:
45nm works on 680i (offcourse), but i dont know how well.
Asus websie is down, but here a copy from what's listed on the asus website.
45nm support:
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-29...ards-list.html
I guess 45nm Yorkie/wolfie isn't officially supported on nVidia chipsets, but you still could run 45nm on ur Nforce if you're mobo brand gives the bios support.
If its stable i dont know :P
???Quote:
Originally Posted by BND|MOD
yorkfield = 45nmQuote:
It's time to FORGET working a Yorkfield on a i680/i780 chipset...
btw: bad news for nvidia if true
regards
So what people I am sure we will find a solution! After all this is xtreme Systemes and why not turn our 680i boards into extreme waste of money!
I really don't mind at all.. if they don't deliver proper solutions I will not pay them. Simple.
First off, it's not official.....I'm not either Intel or NVIDIA.... :D
Things ARE compicated.....
PART of bios of i680 is given BY NVIDIA to Motherboard manufactures.....
So they ADD this part with their part and they have a full bios (in simple words)......
Now.....EITHER NVIDIA wants to SELL their new upcoming i790 chipsets and they say that it's Intel's fault of not providing them the full info of the York, OR Intel really doesn't provide full info(data) to them......
BUT.....If it is so, then WHY it works on i790 chipset IF NVIDIA doesn't have the full code from Intel?....
I think that NVIDIA wants to SELL NEW chipsets and in my oppinion that's why...... ;)
EDIT: Do you think that I don't want to work my York with my Striker and SLI?..... :D I'm anxius to do so but..... :(
We are talking about RETAIL Yorkfields..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scimitar
Also the DFI is not a normal 680i board.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
SLI and xfire are something a lot of people talk about, but very very few actually do. SLI as a marketing gimmick sold many many more 680's then ever actually got used for SLI. It's for that reason that (up until now at least) it has made more sense for Nv to keep SLI on it's own chipsets since Nv has made a lot more money on the extra chipsets sold than it would have made selling more GPUs by allowing SLI on Intel chipsets.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
Don't expect that to change until or if multi-GPU set ups become more common, or Intel starts seriously screwing with Nv in retaliation.
But with the striker you don't really know if the mobos don't boot due to Not supporting the CPU or just because the mobos refuse to boot... :ROTF: (Troll off)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Considering there are not a lot of difference between 680i and 780i, maybe it'll be possible to get some bios modded for 680i mobos.
Their chipsets are good, and just because ATI isn't on top doesn't mean they aren't worth anything. Especially if you can get a HD3870 while the 8800GT is practically non-existent ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by XS Janus
Well I'm so :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing sick of :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty 680i boards that Nvidia just shot themselves in the foot with me. Instead of me buying their chipset, they just lost money on not only their motherboard, but another 8800gtx I would have bought too.
Guess I have to stick to single cards for now because I will never buy another one of their chipsets again.
My next board will certainly not be a nvidia board if this turns out to be true on either Intel or AMD platforms.
SLI really doesn't mean jack for 99% of people.
So silly, no need for this
just for future reference,can someone please send me a beta bios for the striker extreme I spent 350 bucks on this board.If I can't run a new intel I might aswell not buy a new intel chip.There is no reason for me to buy a new board what so ever.
This is soo frustrating
and LONGTERM stability? a bench session is one thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
...but i thought Intel wanted thier yorkie back from you?:rofl:
P35s are good, right. glad i replaced my 650i ;)
As I said in another thread about this same issue, Intel just needed to remind Nvidia who the real boss is. As an enthusiast, I hate to see it come to this (if indeed this is deliberate on Intel's part; which I believe it is), but Nvidia needs to stop being greedy and show some gratitude to Intel for making Nvidia what it is today. Obviously, I'm on Intel's side on this - as every true enthusiast should. Nvidia gets to taste a little bit of its own medicine.
On another note, we're all to blame for this. I'm scared of how a crazed overclocking-inclined few have driven manufacturers to milk the market like nobody's business. Yes, there are advantages to having people like us push components like no test lab would and have the results to show for it.
But what is scary is when you have overclocking gurus working in partnership with manufacturers and enlightening them about the little bonuses which were always there for the serious overclocker. The result? Manufacturers are now putting components under the microscope, cherry-picking, and re-badging the same components or their slightly modified derivatives for twice the amount. Nowadays, there are extreme versions of processors mostly because they're unlocked, something which could easily enabled on non-extreme cpus without extra cost. There are also "KO" editions of GPUs, etc, etc. This sh*t must stop! I'm done.
assuming this is true.....
this is nVidia's fault, amd's fault, intel's fault, and our fault....
AMD aquires ATI, and is able to mass produce better chipsets for their cpu's
Intel has always made the better chipsets for it's cpu's, and AMD knows it will make more money by letting Intel run Xfire on their chipsets than they would by forcing Intel users to use their chipsets. nVidia gambled, and lost, they didn't think Intel would play hardball.
We're to blame for mingling with chipset makers, we should have kept our mingling with the 3rd party mobo manufacturers. We need nVidia/Via/SiS/etc.. to be competitive in the 3rd party chipsets, less we want to pay more for AMD chipsets (can't imagine paying more for Intel chipsets).
Now, what would be funny is if nVidia allows Xfire and AMD allows SLi :rofl:
all nvidia has to do is take the damn money from intel and let us use SLi on intel chipsets!!!!!!!!!!!
I can see this happening with Intel being big boss here, but I would also like to see the anti-trust lawsuit that's going to arise from this. :D NV has been slaughtering Intel's chipset business all of last year with the King of GPU with G80 forcing highend PCs to be G80s + 680i, practically whipping out Intel's chipset business in high-end OEM and SI SKU. If this is really true, then this is the biggest backhand b**ch slap Intel laid down.
SLI, CF, whatever, majority of the people won't buy into it. They buy in SLI and CF chipset for "future" upgrades, but honestly, I don't see too many people buying a 2nd card to complete their multi-GPU.
ATI and AMD have joined up, Intel is beating AMD and nVidia is crushing ATI. i dont know why they just dont join up and create a larger force to compete with.
my thoughts are they dont want to share the profits of the Geforces 8 and the penryns~
Nvidia:
if(chipset != "Nvidia")
print "Fark Off!";
BSOD();
Intel:
if(chipset == "Nvidia")
print "Fark Off";
BSOD();
Not much differences between the companies after all ;)
The question is who need who more. I'm going to say Nvidia needs retail Yorkfield to work on their boards, more than Intel needs SLI on the X#8 chipset.
Asus answer:
you can boot the system up
you can overclock
but you won't be impressed
interesting
are there any class actions against nvidia? it seems like everyone complains about how horrid their chipsets are.
also, how hard is it to hack nvidia's drivers?
cant we all just get along! =D
bad news i guess, i loved the nvidia chipsets up until the 680i board i had, terrible. i skipped on 5 series, nforce 4 was the last decent chipsets. I still have a socket A, asus Nf2 that is still chugging along with a mild oc since 2003. Sucker wont die, so much dust in the case, chip idles at 55c lol..still goin
funny thing about 750i, in this months pc gamer(crysis) ibuypower has a 3 page spread with rigs, all of them have 750i boards, and states in the add, fully supports upcoming penryn. badddd
but Wolfdales will work on 680i and 780i? or does it mean 45 nm in general?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
F**K YOU NvIDIA.
SERVES YOU RIGHT YOU MANIPULATIVE MONOPOLIZING C**K SUCKING LITTLE...
this just made me smile.
it also makes me happy that I didn't shell out for an nForce board.
and also makes HP seems smarter.
I don't have a problem with nvidia doing this at all....
Showing intel that they aren't king over all is probably a good thing for them, a little reminder that they can't do anything they want whenever they want ;) Shows too, because intel is getting all fussy about it. I think nvidia is smart not to take the payoff, knowing how intel has worked in the past, well, there is probably some fine print somewhere that would try and lock nvidia into some crazy exclusive deal or hurt them long-term or something....
The third dog is the overall winner in this situation, mark my works.
Uhm...why are everyone talking Intel vs nVidia? Is this dumb and dumber thread?
This is a plain simple issue that its all nVidias fault. They either :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up with too much SLI/Enhanced stuff that messed up something. Or nVidia simply just hopes to go for a supersale on i780/i790.
Else its simply a matter of no good retail BIOS with yorkfield support yet.
:D Haha - God bless X38.............;)
if this was on purpose, hopefully Nvidia will pull back from SLI support on intels chipsets. other wise there going to lose some money.
but then again good news for ATi
very dissapointing
LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.
Nice assuming, if this was the case, Intel wouldn't have allowed them to use the QX6850, either. I just got my QX9650, running BFG 680i, it works. LOL.
Screen shots will be posted as well as pics of the CPU.
780i delayed and barely working with Yorkie. Not really surprised . ;)
//Andreas
I can tell you right now that every partner using the reference 680i and 780i has
the bios that supports yorkfield....BUT! you can't overclock it. When you even try to up the FSB by 1 to 334 you'll get a nice dash dash after the reboot. THis is why the 780i was delayed.
The 780i is crap! LOL! it was funny cuz the first samples that nvidia gave had out defective middle PCI-E slots and when we tried to run 3-way SLI it worked for a couple runs in 3Dmark and then POOF! the slot died and no video. LOL! it's fixed now but I thought i'd share that story.
Well, lets see this thing overclocked. Good to hear it's moving in the right direction. (reminds me of unnamed chipset with conroe and Kensfield dupport) I assume it'll be working by the launch of the rest of the cpu's.Quote:
Originally Posted by varrius
This is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: ...
yay
i'll be happy with my intel board
Mine overclocks =) I didn't raise the FSB, though, that's what unlocked multiplier is for. You don't have one, that's why you're upset. It runs, it works, it also works while I have SLi. =) Beat that X38 boards. IF YOU CAN GET A LICENSE. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9
Also, it would be illegal for intel to keep information undisclosed based on the contract agreement of the LGA775 use on the Nvidia boards. When a chipset is made to be used on a motherboard, a license and agreement are written, the agreement must contain information guaranteeing support for all CPUs of that socket type. Otherwise, NVIDIA will sue the pants off of intel for breach of contract. Nvidia would also counter and make all of the nvidia cards disabled on an intel chipset when they are loaded in, it would not allow the board to detect it. That would destroy the gaming market for intel.
If that's your idea of performance overclocking you should be happy with the combination.Quote:
Originally Posted by varrius
So what's nVidia gonna do? Sue themselves? They made the chipset. And if you read what HP stated there are certain configurations where the combination appears to be stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by varrius
I bet you the FSB will raise just as well. At any rate, when the G0 stepping Core2Duos released, they were not highly overclockable on the 680i's, a P31 BIOS update solved this problem. The processor released TWO days ago, it's POSTING, EVGA is even released beta BIOSs FOR it via e-mail, should you request it. They will release an update, it will increase its overclockability, everything in computing has problems when it launches, it's not PERFECT. MMORPGs, Chipsets, GPUs, everything. The processor uses the SAME architecture at a smaller-than-before 45nm. What would make it SO hard to operate? You guys make it like we're trying to force a socket 771 processor to post. Nice try, this is the SAME thing that happens when ANY new processor comes out. Just like when Core2Duo first released, just like when the Quads FIRST debuted, there is no conspiracy, its going to work flawlessly, just like every other 775 chip with some "conspiracy". Also, if you guys would stop reading reviews of crap on the "inquirer", you'd know a thing about what is going on. Firstly, an NVIDIA rep confirmed that "tri-SLi" is not even in the works and was considered a fake. The pictures of it, there being few, were doctored. The point of the additional PCI-E 16x slot is to utilize newer sound cards, newer physx cards, etc. Nvidia confirmed if they EVER use more than two cards, it'll be in the form of a GX2 model, like the 7950GX2, which would only use two PCI-e slots. Lastly, the damn processor just came out, why do I want to SUPER_GOD_OVERCLOCK it? I want to burn it in, let it break-in, then, by the time I do any serious overclocking, there will be a further BIOS update. CONSPIRACY OOOOO. Conspiracys DO NOT supercede Federal Law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Nvidia DID NOT make the QX9650, they would sue intel for denying contracted information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Break-in. So the Penryns are to be treated like a new pair of shoes?Quote:
Originally Posted by varrius
Proof they have not disclose information? Without proof, it would be very difficult to show that for one time, crappy chipset are not due to nvidia :DQuote:
Originally Posted by varrius
Qx9650 is working just fine with EVGA 680i SLI and BIOS P31, wich is out for some time now. The only problem is that with EIST deactivated you can't set multi, it will stay locked at 6X; new BIOS will probably fix this also.
I think nVidia got what they deserved.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
" I want to burn it in, let it break-in, then, by the time I do any serious overclocking, there will be a further BIOS update. CONSPIRACY OOOOO. Conspiracys DO NOT supercede Federal Law."
Notice how I said BURN in before that, then, to make somewhat of an attack, you CUT it off like a communist? Any overclocker knows how to "burn-in" a cpu, especially if it cost $1300.
varrius
Lets see if Admin agrees with your posts.
I'm not sure about the admins, but this moderator DEFINITELY doesn't agree with his post Praz.
People, there's NO need for that kind of an attitude towards anyone, especially towards someone who's help this very community/forum as hipro.
Gentleman:
Let's always try to remember that this is a public forum where we all are guests.
Let's try to behave as we would as a guest in some one else's home.
Agreed, as long as they don't behave like Rick James as a guest in eddy/charlie murphy's home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Keep your feet of the couch guys. :rofl:
DilTech, your fast. Thanks for removing the quote from my post also.
No problem. I don't play these types of games with people. It's one thing to disagree, I disagree half the time with people, but there's no reason to outburst how he did. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
Either way, lets get back on topic guys. :up:
Just my thoughts:
I've been here 2 years. One of the great assets of this forum is Hipro.
He brings info to us in easy to understand plain english. Ok, so with a Greek accent!:rofl:
My point is that he is a great teacher and I think many miss this.
He tells you what he sees whether it's good or bad.
He isn't just some guy that comes and says "Hey I broke all the world records" but will take the time to show you how it is done.
You just got to respect a guy like that and if you disagree with something he says, voice it as a polite question.
He is truly one of the people here that is worthy of respect from all of us
Point is, his statements are being refuted in this very thread! The chip does work on the 680ichipset and I won't be surprised when OCing works!Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
ok, then you come out with a little tact and do it like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio
Hey George? I have xxx chipset and I got xxx cpu to work in it and here's a SS of it. Maybe I have a different revision than you do?
There are many ways to do things.
Like dear old Dad once said to me after I told a teacher to FO:
"There's a million ways to say it and only one involves using the words."
Tact and courtesy go a long way in this world.;)
Then the guy could've just merely stated that he got it to work in a nice manner. He didn't need to explode at hipro as he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio
Anyway, enough about it. Back to the topic guys. :up:
I don't believe it's an issue if the combination will work here or there. But can all users reasonably expect the chipset/processor to function in a manner and at the performance levels we run these boards at. Even HP has stated there are certain configurations where this combination appears too have no stability issues.
Intel is probably pissed at nVidia. Who was that crazy CEO guy from nVidia who said they would pwn Intel on the GPU market but also on the CPU market within a few years :ROTF:
Still i dont believe this won't be a problem in the future. You're talking about an unfinished product, and when it gets released they can run 45nm stable. There will be always nutcases buying these boards. :shrug:
lol hipro :banana::banana::banana::banana: stirring hahahaha
i got some photos which i can't post unfortunately but i don't think it's all doom and gloom....gotta go through them all tonight just to double check it all....there is certainly one chipset i remember running a gaming rig with the Yorks :)...just gotta look at the other photos heh :D
i've been slack i gotta slap my yorkfield after i flash to latest XFX 680i biosQuote:
Originally Posted by Micutzu
they should all share the reference bioses :) heh
Agreed, but "It's time to FORGET working a Yorkfield on a i680/i780 chipset" is hardly a harmless statement. Tact indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Either way, it looks like support for the Yorkfield on 680i boards is already starting to surface. To tell the truth, I'll be happy with a Q6600 when prices drop, but I can't imagine nVidia letting Yorkfield go unaddresses or Intel stopping them from fixing the issue. To suggest otherwise is silly, IMO.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138Quote:
The situation with the NVIDIA designed chipsets for the Intel market is a little different. The 680i SLI, 680i LT SLI, GeForce 7150, and GeForce 7100 chipsets officially support Wolfdale and Yorkfield. The 650i SLI and GeForce 7050 chipsets will support these processors, but it seems as if that will be a supplier to supplier decision at this time. Of note, we have several 680i SLI motherboards that are currently undergoing qualification testing at this time, not for lack of chipset support, but for board designs. The reference board A1/T1 designs from EVGA will only require a BIOS update to work as an example, while motherboards from Gigabyte, ECS, abit, Biostar, and Foxconn are questionable at this point. We will have an update on these particular motherboards shortly; in the meantime, it appears the revised 680i boards from NVIDIA's launch partners along with boards from ASUS, MSI, and DFI should be fine with nothing more than a BIOS update.
Sorry XS, until I hear otherwise I gotta trust anand.
Okay...enough of this speculation. I'm sitting on my shiny new QX9650 right now. I'll be popping this bad boy under the waterblock on my evga 680i in an hour. I'm running a full tilt rig with SLI and all the amenities. We'll see where we go....
I'll be back.........
But my friend it is a totally honest statement if that is what you had seen in testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio
If later a different bios or revision makes it possible that then becomes added info.
It doesn't change the tone one uses to someone who works hard to bring us the info in the first place.
That should hold for George or anyone else.
Good manners are always in style to anyone.
The old line of: "It's not what you say but how you say it holds true here."
For example, had I found info contrary to what George had posted I would have PM'd him this info out of respect.
Let him then examine it and make his own conclusions.
ES or retail?Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
hes had 45nm processors way before everyone and is an Electrical engineer so i would guess he knows allot more about this issue than most and i doubt he would say that without having some basis to back it up. Also you have to take into account English is not his first language so he may not mean to make a statement heated.Quote:
Originally Posted by iadstudio