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ASUS First 965C2 Motherboard P5B-E FSB 500
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Nice results :woot:
Will be cheap too! :banana:
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looks like just the plain p5b :)
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that vdimm is to low
fsb is really good
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What kind of changes are we going to see with the C2 stepping of the 965? I've heard of "issues" with the C1 stepping, but in plain terms, what is really wrong with it?
Just curious, no big deal.
Shawn
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Originally Posted by |SiLA|
looks like just the plain p5b :)
Many difference are between P5B and P5B-E , such as VIA® VT6307 1394a， ICH8-R，Attansic® L1 PCI-E Gigabit LAN controller and Audio.
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so it's a vanilla P5B with different LAN chipset plus VIA firewire?
wonder if it still dislikes overclocked 4M cpus :) P5B vanilla does.
nice preview though.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
Many difference are between P5N and P5B-E , such as VIA® VT6307 1394a， ICH8-R，Attansic® L1 PCI-E Gigabit LAN controller and Audio.
oops i didnt read the details
just checked the pics..bios setups and the easy way to reach 500fsb 32mb stable :woot:
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Originally Posted by shawn1998
What kind of changes are we going to see with the C2 stepping of the 965? I've heard of "issues" with the C1 stepping, but in plain terms, what is really wrong with it?
Just curious, no big deal.
Shawn
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/P5B-E/965C2.JPG
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Thanks. The second one seems pretty significant to me, although I must say that I really don't have any issues with the P965 chipset that's on my current DS3 motherboard. If it's broke, though, fixing it is good!
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Andre thanks for the update, what kind of clock gen chip does it use ? Mind take a macro snapshot on it ?
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Originally Posted by shawn1998
Thanks. The second one seems pretty significant to me, although I must say that I really don't have any issues with the P965 chipset that's on my current DS3 motherboard. If it's broke, though, fixing it is good!
What sort of O/C you getting from the DS3 ? The cpu is the one in your signature ?
Cheers, :)
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@AndreYang,
Can you get this 500mhz FSB or close to with 4mb cache C2D chips on 965P C2 ?
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when will this board be available?
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Nice preview Andre :toast:
Does it have the same performance drop as P5B Deluxe over 400 FSB?
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Originally Posted by IluvIntel
@AndreYang,
Can you get this 500mhz FSB or close to with 4mb cache C2D chips on 965P C2 ?
E6600 Retail Box
FSB 400
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/P5B-E/P5BE-6600-1.JPG
FSB 500
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/P5B-E/P5BE-6600-2.JPG
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Originally Posted by bing
Andre thanks for the update, what kind of clock gen chip does it use ? Mind take a macro snapshot on it ?
Clockgen didn't support P5B-E yet. Clock gen chip is ICS X98HH837.
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Any ideas on European release date???
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nice E6600.. :)
can you elaborate on voltages.. and also week maybe?
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Originally Posted by caater
nice E6600.. :)
can you elaborate on voltages.. and also week maybe?
E6600 batch L624A764
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looks like things are standing to look good for the Allendale/Conroe boards. Great job.
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Is 965 really faster than 975 clock-for-clock, or is it just me? :eek: Most peoples' 965 times seem very slow, how are you getting yours so fast?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1156634558
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Originally Posted by Gautam
holy crap 13m @ 3.6ghz ? jesus thats 2minutes faster than me and i have the exact same settings and speeds and ram speeds on my DS3 and 6600
no way not on a 965 that cant be. thats insane.
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Normally I beat most people on 965 easy, but look above at Andre, he's got me by 4 seconds somehow. :eek:
Andre, can you tell us what tRD you're running? I'm thinking the additional control over the secondary timings that the P5B allows might be the key...
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High 13m I can understand because I did it (9x400 2:3 5-5-5) on a P5B Dlx, but I don't get these ~13m 10s...even at 9x400 2:3 4-4-4 it's still not even close, so 1:1 4-4-4 is a mile slower. If it could hold the 333 strap and clock up to 400 from there, it probably would, but it starts crapping out around 360-370FSB so it's either gotta be 2:3 or boot at 400FSB, which is definitely looser on the NB.
Andre, how come all your Graphics come up as 1x AGP in CPU-Z? I've been seeing that on your screenies for a week or so now and I was wondering what was up? Thanks for showing the C2...I'll be real curious how high it clocks :)
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Lets see if you can still do it 1:1 4-4-4. ;) It's MUCH harder. Don't forget, I can pull 13:4x at 3-3-3 1:1...if I was able to use the updividers, then yes, I think I could pull 13:05-13:10...but this is on 975 of course. Once again try 1:1 4-4-4 yourself for a direct comparison, and you should understand my confusion. 13:5x 1:1 4-4-4 makes sense for 13:0x at 2:3 4-4-4. BIG gap in those two dividers.
Also, it seems like maybe the 965 loses its edge at high FSB?
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
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Damn.. the P5B is already phased out.. P5B-s is exactly the same board, but this time they have made the Raid correctly..
Replacing a board in less than 6 weeks. I think it's a first.
grr....
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How long before C2 stepping boards start to make it to retail?
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
ASUS P5B-E will use New 965C2 and the price will be between DS3 and S3.
Can i ask you to take a screen shot of the Intel RAID bios?...has it been updated at all?
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Originally Posted by boostedevo
High 13m I can understand because I did it (9x400 2:3 5-5-5) on a P5B Dlx, but I don't get these ~13m 10s...even at 9x400 2:3 4-4-4 it's still not even close, so 1:1 4-4-4 is a mile slower. If it could hold the 333 strap and clock up to 400 from there, it probably would, but it starts crapping out around 360-370FSB so it's either gotta be 2:3 or boot at 400FSB, which is definitely looser on the NB.
Andre, how come all your Graphics come up as 1x AGP in CPU-Z? I've been seeing that on your screenies for a week or so now and I was wondering what was up? Thanks for showing the C2...I'll be real curious how high it clocks :)
AGP 1X because I Use PCI VGA Card to test CPU and mobo.
The memory voltage is only 2.1V. I cannot be oc so higher. I must wait ASUS to get me new bios.
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Originally Posted by Gautam
I don't think 965 chip is slower than 975X.
I use win2003 sever, so Super PI is faster than winxp.
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I'm using Windows 2003 Server (Enterprise Edition) as well. If I don't change memory timings using Memset, I score about 14:10 at these clocks, whereas you hit 13:54. 965 looks a lot faster to me, unless Asus gives more memory options for 975 in the future.
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Originally Posted by Gautam
I'm using Windows 2003 Server (Enterprise Edition) as well. If I don't change memory timings using Memset, I score about 14:10 at these clocks, whereas you hit 13:54. 965 looks a lot faster to me, unless Asus gives more memory options for 975 in the future.
I already tested 975X 3.6G now. I will post speed later. It's still faster than 965chip.
I didn't change memory timings using Memset on 965 chip because Memset always cannot support 965chip. I always use BIOS to tweak memory timming for my 965 mobo.
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Andre is there any speed difference between thce c1 and c2
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
I already tested 975X 3.6G now. I will post speed later. It's still faster than 965chip.
Looking forward to this result. Thanks.
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If SuperPi is your thing, then 975X is the way to go. If overclocking RAM or the FSB is your thing, 965 is probably a better choice. On my P5B Dlx, I've managed to run my Corsairs at 600MHz with 4-4-3 timings. Not many unmodded 975X boards can do that.
I don't run 3DMark anymore, but I do run Cinebench. Rendering performance with 965 chipset seems as good, if not a little better than 975X, clock for clock.
These are just my findings. YMMV.
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SuperPi is never my thing, no matter how hard I try. :( :p: As for the 600MHz 4-4-3, I don't think ANY 975X can do that, 965 4-4-4, but tRP 3 seems like a first. :up:
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A couple of other people have done DDR2-1200 @ 4-4-3. You definitely need good sticks.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
I already tested 975X 3.6G now. I will post speed later. It's still faster than 965chip.
I didn't change memory timings using Memset on 965 chip because Memset always cannot support 965chip. I always use BIOS to tweak memory timming for my 965 mobo.
memset supports 965 100% and has for god way over a month now.
Felix has posted another beta the other day
try it andre.
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975X is still faster than 965 chip.
I use 975X to test Conroe 3.6G again.
3.6G DDR2 800 4-4-4-4
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/975X-3600-1.JPG
3.6G DDR2 800 3-3-3-4
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/975X-3600-2.JPG
3.6G DDR2 1000 4-4-3-4
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/975X-3600-3.JPG
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Originally Posted by Lestat
memset supports 965 100% and has for god way over a month now.
Felix has posted another beta the other day
try it andre.
It has many bugs. If you use 965 memset, you will see CPUZ memory is error.
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Originally Posted by Millyons
Andre is there any speed difference between thce c1 and c2
It's the same speed.
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Originally Posted by cliffy
Any ideas on European release date???
same question... :p:
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Originally Posted by Ronnie
same question... :p:
It will be available after 3 weeks.
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what about US release any chance they have a timeframe for us?
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In my limited testing, I found that out of 4 SuperPi runs on both platforms the P5W beat the P5B D by just a bit. Like an average of 4-5 seconds on 8M Pi runs. Same clocks, timings, everything.
Maybe the C2 stepping will improve that.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
I don't get it, it says it's been fixed already on C1?
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Thanks very much for the tests as always. :)
I feel much more in line now.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
http://mysite.verizon.net/gautamb/36031.JPG
Still strange why my 4-4-4 result is slow. :shrug:
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
It has many bugs. If you use 965 memset, you will see CPUZ memory is error.
andre NO man i thought you of all people knew this.
Felix said over a month how to make it work properly.
and it works 100% for me everytime.
when you use Memset DO NOT HIT EXIT!!! YOU MUST HIT THE X BUTTON IN THE UPPER CORNER.
i cant believe you missed that he said this like a dozen times already. and i been telling people the same things.
now use memset silly ;) :P
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Originally Posted by Lestat
andre NO man i thought you of all people knew this.
Felix said over a month how to make it work properly.
and it works 100% for me everytime.
when you use Memset DO NOT HIT EXIT!!! YOU MUST HIT THE X BUTTON IN THE UPPER CORNER.
i cant believe you missed that he said this like a dozen times already. and i been telling people the same things.
now use memset silly ;) :P
If you didn't EXIT, you would lose some super pi speed. Many people doesn't like that, especially super pi limit overclock.
I try to tweak 965 memset, it doesn't help speed much. So I never use memset on 965chip. I still can do super pi faster than some people score.:)
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
If you didn't EXIT, you would lose some super pi speed. Many people doesn't like that, especially super pi limit overclock.
I try to tweak 965 memset, it doesn't help speed much. So I never use memset on 965chip. I still can do super pi faster than some people score.:)
what ? lose super pi speed where did you hear that ? and what .05 seconds ? come on.. O_o
you are exiting the program when you hit X but its not letting the bug happen.
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Originally Posted by Lestat
what ? lose super pi speed where did you hear that ? and what .05 seconds ? come on.. O_o
you are exiting the program when you hit X but its not letting the bug happen.
I try it later. Thanks Lestat.:toast:
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Is there no MCH voltage control on this board? How can you get 500FSB with no VMCH?
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
I try it later. Thanks Lestat.:toast:
i tested 1m pi just real quick to see about your theory of losing time.
and for 1m pi i didnt lose anything.
i tested no memset
memset open
then memset close by hitting X
no loss or gain of speed.
i didnt test 32m as i didnt feel like waiting around for each test to run lol.
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Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Is there no MCH voltage control on this board? How can you get 500FSB with no VMCH?
good question.
if the bios programmers did their job correctly(i aint saying the didn't) they would have the bios auto adjust the vmch according to fsb speed/bus speed.
that is what auto is suppose to do but it never ever is programmed to be that way. someday maybe a programmer will actually get the balls to make "auto" mean what it is supposed to mean. "auto" the user doesnt ahve to adjust anything.
either way good eye there. i didnt even notice he didnt show a vmch in the bios.
andre is that right the bios doesnt have a vMCH setting ? if no,, then wow! that makes 500 even better if it can to that with auto, or low volts.
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Seem like this board is the same price with DS3 but overclock better little bit. The max for DS3 around 485-490 for E6300.
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Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Is there no MCH voltage control on this board? How can you get 500FSB with no VMCH?
BIOS has no VMCH setting.
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do you have a timeframe on this board for the states?
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Yeah, I might use this for the wife's C2D build instead of the P5B D - It's got the Intel Matrix controller. When will we see it?
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Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Yeah, I might use this for the wife's C2D build instead of the P5B D - It's got the Intel Matrix controller. When will we see it?
its both hardware and software.
here is intels list of mobos that support/use matrix raid :
975x
G965
P965
Q965
Q963
all pulled from here
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/express_flyer.htm
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It's just another crappy board from Asus ~~ Cheap components.. and yet selling at freaking high price??
Be serious man~~ Who wants this crap piece of board with such a low cost components?? Not to say all-solid capacitors which DS3 has.. And PCB Made In China?? This makes me laugh ~~ Is Asus mis-treating their workers like Foxconn??
Poor Andre~~ having such fun with such a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty board
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i was going to get a p5b dlx but this thing looks like a real monster, get a soldering iron on it and we can have some fun.
;)
Thanks again andre for a good preview.
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Andre, will there be a P5B-E Deluxe edition as well?
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@Andre
Any news about a new bios from ASUS,
maybe with VMCH settings and higher Vdimm ?
BR
Gary G.
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yup.. additional VDIMM is going to be goo with this board.. :) nice clocks btw.. :woot:
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its out:). Here on back order.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
ASUS P5B-E will use New 965C2 and the price will be between DS3 and S3.
The first BIOS Memory Voltage is only 2.1V and cannot add any MCH voltage. I will ask ASUS to get new BIOS before the mobo is available on the market.
So I only test FSB 500 DDR2 100 5-5-5-15 2.1V
Nice 500 FSB and this will be a cheap board. LOL, I knew they were going to do this......where was this board back in July? (Back then the only cheap board was DS3)
I can tell this will be a good one. Hopefully on par with P5B deluxe without all the fluff.
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My next systems board, with a e6330,2gig ram. 4x250.10 in matrix raid 0+5.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by Bromptoners
It's just another crappy board from Asus ~~ Cheap components.. and yet selling at freaking high price??
Be serious man~~ Who wants this crap piece of board with such a low cost components?? Not to say all-solid capacitors which DS3 has.. And PCB Made In China?? This makes me laugh ~~ Is Asus mis-treating their workers like Foxconn??
Poor Andre~~ having such fun with such a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty board
Be greatful sir , there is no need for calling it what you did.
Remember this is going to be a cheap board and that is very good for people who overrclock. Overclocking boards are usually very expensive and it will help you get the max of your cpu.
Also its a revised chipset and it has more to offer it needs to mature, just like every chipset.
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Originally Posted by nooh
Be greatful sir , there is no need for calling it what you did.
Remember this is going to be a cheap board and that is very good for people who overrclock. Overclocking boards are usually very expensive and it will help you get the max of your cpu.
Also its a revised chipset and it has more to offer it needs to mature, just like every chipset.
why would he be greatful? he was the first to hit 600fsb.
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Originally Posted by vintage_guitar
why would he be greatful? he was the first to hit 600fsb.
ego breaks a man, theres no need for it.
This guy is showing you future products and yes he has a right to a opinion but :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty isnt one.
PS do you think he hit 600fsb the first day it came out , very unlikely.
Also its people like Andre Yang that make this joint what it is , being rude is never a good thing
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he also tested other c2 boards, which i believe earns him the right to state his opinion on this board, don't you?
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opinions - that can mean anything people want it to be.
All i am saying is there are good ways to say the same thing , there is no need for it.
Like if i want a apple , i can say "excuse me sir can I have a apple please?" or I can say " hey dumbf**K give me that apple right now or I whoop your A*s"
That is all I am saying.
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Nice work Andre . Thanks for taking the time.
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Originally Posted by Phosphate
Nice 500 FSB and this will be a cheap board. LOL, I knew they were going to do this......where was this board back in July? (Back then the only cheap board was DS3)
I can tell this will be a good one. Hopefully on par with P5B deluxe without all the fluff.
First Version 1.01G is Memory 2.1V Version.
Second Version 1.02G is Memory 2.4V Version.
1.01G will be available in the market next week, but 1.02G need to wait until October.
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Ask your lady friend at Asus to trade me a 1.02G version for this C1 P5B lol! I'll keep her at stock until Thanks in advance Andre!
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Retail 1.01G Board - Retail 0402 Bios - C2 Stepping - Also have another retail board that is a C1 Stepping. I understand as of today the next board revision will actually be in November and might have another product designation. Current vDIMM limit of 2.1V is a real drawback for extended overclocking, however the board is very solid so far.
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/2...7x501sptt1.png
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unless you use raid, it's not worthy to change from a p5b to a p5b-e.
i guess vmods are equal to p5b , cause vcore & vdimm regulators seem to be the same.
for those talking nonsense about this board. i'm very happy with my p5b, i had a p5wdh and i didn't OC nothing compared to the p5b.
this board makes 500 fsb look so easy.
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2662/500wa9.jpg
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Originally Posted by Merkor
Andre, will there be a P5B-E Deluxe edition as well?
Wondering if there will be one of these as well. Need the Wifi.
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unless you use raid, it's not worthy to change from a p5b to a p5b-e
Also fix the double reboot on restart and on cold boot
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Originally Posted by Doumz
Also fix the double reboot on restart and on cold boot
Still does it when overclocking.
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Originally Posted by bingo13
Retail 1.01G Board - Retail 0402 Bios - C2 Stepping - Also have another retail board that is a C1 Stepping. I understand as of today the next board revision will actually be in November and might have another product designation. Current vDIMM limit of 2.1V is a real drawback for extended overclocking, however the board is very solid so far.
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/2...7x501sptt1.png
that's a bit misleading running separate SPI runs and placing them next to eachother as if you ran them simulataneously :p:
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Originally Posted by dinos22
that's a bit misleading running separate SPI runs and placing them next to eachother as if you ran them simulataneously :p:
LOLOL :D
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Ordered one from Ncix,however they are on special order
Wonder how much time till they got some instock to ship it to me
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
ASUS P5B-E will use New 965C2 and the price will be between DS3 and S3.
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Originally Posted by serious1
its out:).
Here on back order.
Hmmm.... IIRC it was listed at $130 a few days ago. Now its $160... Hope it drops back to $130 when it retails
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I knew they jammed the price up. Take a look:
Sept 14 $129
Yesterday $160
Sept 20 $180!
:eek: So much for being a budget board priced between a S3 and DS3!
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I'll drop back as soon it becomes available in quantities..
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I still want the P5B Dlx mainly cause it's got black PCB, no more yellowish mobo for me :)
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Originally Posted by dinos22
that's a bit misleading running separate SPI runs and placing them next to eachother as if you ran them simulataneously :p:
Sorry about that, honest mistake, linked to the wrong image, always run 32M about a dozen times before doing the dual runs to dial the system in. I take screenshots to see where I was at, when you are an old fart it helps. :p:
I hope this meets with your approval now. :D
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3...15sp32dgl4.png
p.s. Will post up my original 7x501 Dual 32M run once I find it.
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Well this board is in stock and shipping for $169+! :(
So much for a nice cheap board. P5B D it is.
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Originally Posted by Brahmzy
Well this board is in stock and shipping for $169+! :(
So much for a nice cheap board. P5B D it is.
That is way above the Asus MSRP, but it seems most places are charging in that range at this time. The board was designed be right under the DS3 in pricing.
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Originally Posted by Rudyn
I still want the P5B Dlx mainly cause it's got black PCB, no more yellowish mobo for me :)
Yellowish mobo... :nono:
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great comparo,yet you should include the deluxe in it too.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
First Version 1.01G is Memory 2.1V Version.
Second Version 1.02G is Memory 2.4V Version.
1.01G will be available in the market next week, but 1.02G need to wait until October.
Actually, my 1.02G board will do 2.45V. ;)
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so this board is in every way better than the ds3 if the price drops right?
ive been waiting for something new to drop .
had my eye on the ds3 but i was sure something better was gonna come out.
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Originally Posted by AndreYang
First Version 1.01G is Memory 2.1V Version.
Second Version 1.02G is Memory 2.4V Version.
1.01G will be available in the market next week, but 1.02G need to wait until October.
Pardon my lack of knowledge on Asus versioning, but that's board revision not bios version, correct? Assuming yes, If I end up with a 1.01G (just ordered today from zipzoomfly) will I be able to get up to 2.4 with a BIOS update or is the hardware different? Any chance for a VMCH adjustment in a newer BIOS rev?
