Final clarification regarding Conroe MB support

[freecableguy]

Still much speculation and rumor running around regarding Conroe support for current 975x motherboards. Let me take a moment to clear the air for all, once and final. Listen up! ;)

1) Boards based on the 975X chipset, available for sale right now, are NOT Conroe compatable, nor will they be with just a BIOS update. The reason why is that the current boards all have a PWM buck controller that does not support VRM revision 11. At the very least a small revision to the board will need to be made along with a new BIOS. End of story.

2) 965X boards, available for sale soon, will all be Conroe compatable. These are being designed to support Conroe from release. They will most likely arrive in market before comparable 975X boards and well before Conroe is available to the public.

3) If you plan on running Conroe later this summer. DO NOT buy a 975X board now with the hope that a BIOS will be made that makes your Conroe drop-in compatable. Now, if you are buying a 975X board for other reasons, knock yourself out.

I am providing this information to the public so that you don't all buy boards and 2-3 months from now cry your eyes out when you find that you need to buy yet another board.

Let the rumors stop! :fact:

-FCG

[death metal]

Crystal Clear

[Kesnel]

Thanks for the clarification, just want I've been looking for amidst all the rumours that have been circulating recently. :)

[FischOderAal]

yeah ^^

you've written "965X boards, available for sale soon". but when goddamit!

I NEED SUCH A BOARD *cry*

I've done intensive google search and found nothing about the release dates of e.g. the Asus P5B or Albatron PXP965 (i'm really interested in them ^^).

[TyCanadian]

Thanks a lot FCG, I for one appreciate this concise summary of all the garbled and sometimes conflicting information floating around.

I don't expect anyone to know for certain, but is there any indication of specific dates the 965X boards might show up in stores? I'm buying a new PC soon and I'd love to have Conroe support, but I can't wait too long.

Thanks again for the clarity!

[Pokyoky]

While this is crystal clear i am a little slow and need some clarification
Are you saying that the revision 304 board will not support conroe?
Or are we still unclarified on that?

[Eliminator1]

thnx 4 the info... very important...

[SluRRR]

FCG

The ONLY reason I would buy the rev 304 D975XBX is for Conroe. Should I hold off?

[ivo0613]

Sorry for a dumb question. :D Do 965X boards support PD920/930?
thanks!

[FischOderAal]

Sorry for a dumb question. :D Do 965X boards support PD920/930?
thanks!

sure they will. why should they bring out a board which only supports Conroe before the Conroe is released ;)

[Burner27]

While this is crystal clear i am a little slow and need some clarification
Are you saying that the revision 304 board will not support conroe?
Or are we still unclarified on that?


I would like to know this too since I have been put on a list in another thread to purchase a rev 304 board.

[irev210]

I would like to know this too since I have been put on a list in another thread to purchase a rev 304 board.


it should, intel docs say that the rev304 makes the changes to support conroe.

[JimboJoe43]

it should, intel docs say that the rev304 makes the changes to support conroe.

It actually says "support for future architecture" nothing is ever mentioned about conroe. There was some thought in the other thread that this could just mean support for the forthcoming 965EE as this processor is now supported on this motherboard via the new bios update (618).

I think the point of this thread is to stop the speculation and to serve as a warning for would be conroe buyers that rev304 does not support conroe.

I am looking forward to purchasing a conroe as well but it looks like we need to wait for the 965 boards or updated 975's.

[EraserFlying]

So, 975 has overall higher performece than 965? because 975 is a bigger number than 965? and How about the 985? much better than 965? what is the difference between the 965 and 985, thanks

[JimboJoe43]

This is great :D

One person tries to end rumours about conroe's working on the latest intel board and another person starts rumours about 985 chipsets.

http://www.intel.com/cd/pvp/bc06/asmo-na/eng/develop/index.htm

If you go look at the plan for the upcoming conroe support it shows "965X Express" and "975X Express" chipsets. Nothing about 985, thus I would not worry about any 985 phantom chipsets just yet.

[freecableguy]

965 (mainstream/budget) and 975 (performance) both will support Conroe. The limitation has nothing to do with the BIOS or the chipset, rather the motherboard manufacture's adherance to VRM 11 standards as required by Core Duo desktop models in the LGA775 package.

985 is only a rumor at this point, as well as being logical speculation as the next number in the progression....

[Thorburn]

The 304 revision board does support Conroe. The revisions are specifically for this purpose.


It actually says "support for future architecture" nothing is ever mentioned about conroe. There was some thought in the other thread that this could just mean support for the forthcoming 965EE as this processor is now supported on this motherboard via the new bios update (618).

The 965XE isn't a 'future architecture'. What do you think they are talking about here?

[dpa]

is there a difference between 965 and 975?

[Thorburn]

is there a difference between 965 and 975?
The 965 is a replacement for the 945 chipset.
It features an updated integrated graphics core along with support for iAMT and in Q965 guise fits into the updated Stable Image Platform for the coming year.

Although I don't know any details I'm assuming the relationship will be similar to that of 945 and 955, 975 will feature extra memory pipelining for improved performance and there won't be an 'Extreme' Intel 965 board so on the Intel boards at least no overclocking.

[freecableguy]

Further clarification:

Intel D975XBX (revision 304 and greater) motherboard with latest BIOS ("0618"/1009) supports Conroe:

http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/FCGconroe.png

Timings at stock 533FSB (4-4-4-12) with 1.9v VDDR2. No optimizations. Actual vcore is about 1.175v. So far I have gotten a little lower to 19.028 sec SPI 1M.


EDIT: Let me change one thing that I said in the first post. ;) The Intel Bad Axe board is the only 975X board that has a compatable buck controller. :)

-FCG

[Durzel]

LOL, lets see everyone jump back in on Sneakys thread.

I think I should get priority on a board given I stayed to the end. ;)

[WildEye]

Ok now i'm tempted to get this board... But I have doubts about warranty etc. Think i'll wait until it shows up way up north. At least i know which board to get for my next machine :)

EDIT: but then the price is really nice :) *sigh* what to do...

[Cooper]

FCG how`s that hardmod coming along ? Or it`s just not worth it to loose warranty?

[jmax_oc]

FCG, can you confirm that P5WDG2-WS would be not compatible with Merom although I make a bios update ?

Thanks

[nn_step]

Gotta love Intel... Compatability between boards and CPUs take all the time and energy you have to completely keep track of it...

[freecableguy]

Progress....

http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/18.469.png

[freecableguy]

FCG, can you confirm that P5WDG2-WS would be not compatible with Merom although I make a bios update ?

Thanks

Merom is not the right socket for that board.... :rolleyes:

[georgesod]

Progress....

http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/18.469.png

Ok i bet you can do more. Let's see 3000 for start :p:

[proth]

EDIT: Let me change one thing that I said in the first post. ;) The Intel Bad Axe board is the only 975X board that has a compatable buck controller. :)

-FCG

You might want to add "IMO" to your statements....

Correction #1, but who's counting :fact:

[adeoliver]

@ FCG!!

On another forum this guy has some questions, Im just going to post a quote of what he says. This is simply a quote from his post. Maybe you can explain to him in detail. :D


Ok, where is this guy getting his enlightenment from?

The whole VRM is as much a rumor as everything else. Can you provide me a link to Intel saying that their is a VRM problem? If you think about it logically, you would realize that Conroe uses more than 1.1V, which is the lowest that the P5WD2-E offers. Also, desktop motherboard that support the Core Duo have the 975X, the same one that is on the Conroe. If they support Core Duo, they support Conroe. Also, ASUS did not include its famous 8-phase voltage regulator, but rather a weaker 4-phase one. No won really understood why, but it seems to fit Conroe specs.

[Sneaky]

FCG... what revision board is that? is that your modded 302?

[Rovtar]

Further clarification:

Intel D975XBX (revision 304 and greater) motherboard with latest BIOS ("0618"/1009) supports Conroe:

http://members.cox.net/kjboughton/FCGconroe.png

Timings at stock 533FSB (4-4-4-12) with 1.9v VDDR2. No optimizations. Actual vcore is about 1.175v. So far I have gotten a little lower to 19.028 sec SPI 1M.


EDIT: Let me change one thing that I said in the first post. ;) The Intel Bad Axe board is the only 975X board that has a compatable buck controller. :)

-FCG

is this mobo comp. with crossfire/sli?

[jmax_oc]

Merom is not the right socket for that board.... :rolleyes:
I would say conroe
Is the Work Station compliant with conroe .

[FischOderAal]

is this mobo comp. with crossfire/sli?

CF, no SLI support ;)

[Waus-mod]

fcg... how does the board clock in youre expirience? like what brand can you compare it?

[jmax_oc]

Read his first post, no.
I read his post but I found every where a different version : yes for the WS motherboard :)

[Salvador]

I need one of those boards, and a Conroe, if someone want's to sell it and ship to Norway to me :P

[WildEye]

Salvador,

Checkout Sneaky's thread about the badaxe groupbuy.

I'm on the list. Maybe we can get up to 40 :woot:

[Salvador]

Yeah, but I wont bother to buy the board unless I get a Conroe :(

[vengance_01]

I was like number 4 hehe. I be using a nice 805 for the time being.

[Sneaky]

check out this thread for anyone interested in a conroe supporting mobo:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96513


i will ship worldwide as long as the buyer pays for shipping

[Salvador]

:idea:
check out this thread for anyone interested in a conroe supporting mobo:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96513


i will ship worldwide as long as the buyer pays for shipping

Nice, u also got a Conroe to go to that, that you'll ship aswell? ;) hehe

[dpa]

Is it very odd that people is a little bit frustrated..?

@ FCG: What mobo do you use now?

Does it clock good?

[IntelInside]

@ FCG!!
On another forum this guy has some questions, Im just going to post a quote of what he says. This is simply a quote from his post. Maybe you can explain to him in detail. :D

That guy doesn't have a clue.

VRM = Voltage Regulator Module.
VRD = Voltage Regulator-Down.

VRD 10.1 (http://developer.intel.com/design/Pentium4/guides/302356.htm) = old specification used for Pentium D. Covers the voltage range from 0.8375 to 1.6000V in 12.5mV steps.
VRD 11 = latest (yet unpublished) specification which prescribes use of VRM capable of chagning voltages in 6.25mV steps -- required for Conroe. It is not about the range, just about the step size.

[IluvIntel]

That guy doesn't have a clue.

VRM = Voltage Regulator Module.
VRD = Voltage Regulator-Down.

VRD 10.1 (http://developer.intel.com/design/Pentium4/guides/302356.htm) = old specification used for Pentium D. Covers the voltage range from 0.8375 to 1.6000V in 12.5mV steps.
VRD 11 = latest (yet unpublished) specification which prescribes use of VRM capable of chagning voltages in 6.25mV steps -- required for Conroe. It is not about the range, just about the step size.

So with VRD 11, what will be the total Vcore range from lowest to highest ?
Is it the same as older VRD 10.1 ?

[TL1000S]

That guy doesn't have a clue.
<snip>
OK.. maybe he doesn't "have a clue"..
Could you explain why changing the regulator "step" from 12.5mV to 6.25mV makes a Conroe work in a given MB/Bios combo.. and not work when using VDR 10.1?
For those of us that only care about maximum clock/performance we want the VCore to stay *stable* at the highest VCore the MB/CPU can handle (with a given cooling solution).
That's why the "guru's" do voltmods on the board to "overrule" such "functionality" (regulate VCore up/down during load/idle)....

[Rovtar]

This mobo is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing expensive

[EmineM]

Can one use the Merom on the Aopen i975Xa-YDG board?

[cirthix]

Can one use the Merom on the Aopen i975Xa-YDG board?

1: not the place to ask this question
2: yes, use the latest bios

[NiCKE^]

That guy doesn't have a clue.

VRM = Voltage Regulator Module.
VRD = Voltage Regulator-Down.

VRD 10.1 (http://developer.intel.com/design/Pentium4/guides/302356.htm) = old specification used for Pentium D. Covers the voltage range from 0.8375 to 1.6000V in 12.5mV steps.
VRD 11 = latest (yet unpublished) specification which prescribes use of VRM capable of chagning voltages in 6.25mV steps -- required for Conroe. It is not about the range, just about the step size.
So then if it's possible to mod a 10.1 to use 6.25mV it would work?

[Mats]

FCG

The ONLY reason I would buy the rev 304 D975XBX is for Conroe. Should I hold off?
LOL! Are you serious? :slap: The answer is of course YES, until you can find a CPU. Why would you otherwise buy it, considering your ONLY reason? I'd like to hear that...

[VictorWang]

hey FCG , how can you pull up the fsb on this Intel Mobo @.@
that's amazing !

[Eastcoasthandle]

I don't mean any harm but the term PWM buck controller sound straight up made up! I am not saying that FCG made it up however, in all fairness this term does not come off as professional and it doesn't sound like something an electrician/engineer would use. Just my 2 coppers worth...that's all!

[bobov]

hey FCG , how can you pull up the fsb on this Intel Mobo @.@
that's amazing !

Using Intel Developers ToolKit.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1401040&postcount=11

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1402994&postcount=44

[SluRRR]

LOL! Are you serious? :slap: The answer is of course YES, until you can find a CPU. Why would you otherwise buy it, considering your ONLY reason? I'd like to hear that...

The answer to your question is as obvious as your intent. There is little reason to buy one of these boards until we see the Conroe compatible rev. Of course I am not yet able to buy a Conroe processor. Is there really a need to state the obvious?

[Mats]

The answer to your question is as obvious as your intent. There is little reason to buy one of these boards until we see the Conroe compatible rev. Of course I am not yet able to buy a Conroe processor. Is there really a need to state the obvious?
Well I'd have understood your post if you're going to use the mobo with a PD or so while you're waiting for Conroe, but now you only have one reason for buying it (Conroe).

I have also bought a mobo long before I could buy the CPU. What did I get from doing it? Nothing. By the time I bought the CPU there was another mobo I wanted instead. On the other hand, I didn't really think it would take that long for me to buy the CPU, but I suddently had to use the money for other things.

[VictorWang]

Using Intel Developers ToolKit.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1401040&postcount=11

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1402994&postcount=44


great, I'll try when I got the mobo

[freecableguy]

mods (eric?), pls sticky this thread

[JoeBar]

mods (eric?), pls sticky this thread
Agree! :up:
OMG that was quick... :)

[Sumanji]

Hi,

Just wondering if we could add a section in here that addresses Merom compatibility with current mobile chipsets and sockets. I know not much is known right now but it would be nice if we could get all the facts in one place...

Thanks,

Suman

[d1c1ple]

Any word on whether Nvidia SLI-X16 powered systems will support Conroe? Asus P5N32-SLI? Or the newer Nvidia stuff thats coming soon I'm assuming will?

[The Stilt]

It seems that Asus is ready to release the new revisions of P5WD2 Premium, P5WD2-E Premium and P5WDG2-WS motherboards.

The most latest bios for P5WD2 Premium (v. 0709) was originally release in January 2006. Now Asus has released a bios that has the same version number (v. 0709), but it is dated to April 2006.

The re-released bios file contains support for Ax & Bx stepping Conroe processors ;)

Thou, that doesn´t help too much if you have 1.01 or 1.02 rev. P5WD series motherboard...

Some heavy modifications are needed to make rev. 1.02 P5WD2 board even feed correct voltages for the cpu.
Making the other things work is completely a different story.

Rev. 1.03 boards should have a new pwm buck controllers that supports VRM11 standard.

[ScottFern]

Is there any clear winner so far in the contender list of MoBos that support Conroe?

[WoD]

no ;)

[mike]

It seems that Asus is ready to release the new revisions of P5WD2 Premium, P5WD2-E Premium and P5WDG2-WS motherboards.

The most latest bios for P5WD2 Premium (v. 0709) was originally release in January 2006. Now Asus has released a bios that has the same version number (v. 0709), but it is dated to April 2006.

The re-released bios file contains support for Ax & Bx stepping Conroe processors ;)

Thou, that doesn´t help too much if you have 1.01 or 1.02 rev. P5WD series motherboard...

Some heavy modifications are needed to make rev. 1.02 P5WD2 board even feed correct voltages for the cpu.
Making the other things work is completely a different story.

Rev. 1.03 boards should have a new pwm buck controllers that supports VRM11 standard.


Are any Asus Rev 1.03 board shipping yet?

[freecableguy]

Are any Asus Rev 1.03 board shipping yet?

i have seen none so far, I think they are going to be labeled "1.03G" though. current revision is 1.02G.

[adamant415]

FCG do you know if the Foxconn 975X7AA supports conroe? It just popped up on Newegg. I searched around on google but couldn't find any info regarding conroe support.

[The Doc]

This may be a dumb question, but what about Foxconn's 975X7AA motherboard ? Core Duo 2 support ?

[The Doc]

FCG do you know if the Foxconn 975X7AA supports conroe? It just popped up on Newegg. I searched around on google but couldn't find any info regarding conroe support.

Hey, sorry I didn't see your post ahead of time. I'm in the same boat that you are. I've been waiting for the Foxconn 975X7AA board for awhile, yet I''m holding off to find out if the board officially supports Core Duo 2 processors. I hit google to find out too, yet I had no luck either.

[epox4life]

all this is, is a waiting game.

[nn_step]

all this is, is a waiting game.
of course.. Intel's Motto is now..
"We have Products that will completely rape the competition, it just isn't for sale yet because we don't think now is a good time"
[/joking]
But honestly I would love to see one COMPLETE set of benchmarks including gaming performance..

[tdenton1138]

This may be a dumb question, but what about Foxconn's 975X7AA motherboard ? Core Duo 2 support ?

These reviews don't talk about Conroe and only a 1066 fsb:

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/foxconn_975X7AA/
http://www.hardwarelogic.com/news/129/ARTICLE/1171/2006-04-26.html
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2006/foxconn/975x7aa-8ekrs2/g1.htm

[The Doc]

These reviews don't talk about Conroe and only a 1066 fsb:

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/foxconn_975X7AA/
http://www.hardwarelogic.com/news/129/ARTICLE/1171/2006-04-26.html
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2006/foxconn/975x7aa-8ekrs2/g1.htm

I hope you realize that most of the Core Duo 2 chips have a rated FSB of 1066 as only the XE has a rated FSB of 1333.

[tdenton1138]

I do know that only the XE is 1333 native, but for oc'ing, it would be nice if the board supported 1333. Also, since it doesn't speak of Core Duo 2 working on these boards anyway, I think its a moot point.

[-Sweeper_]

What about the revised 975X Motherboards??
Will they be better than the 965P based Mobos??

[crackhead2k]

FSB 1333?! Damn!? My Corsair 8500 only does 1068 Max!?!? :(
I wish I can get my hands on one of the those chips!
If you have one sell it on ebay so I can buy it!
Money for you CPU for me no loss ;)
I guess I still have to wait for a mobo still for this one!

So what is it now 5 more months till release? (May 12 06<-Post)

[Achill3uS]

So then if it's possible to mod a 10.1 to use 6.25mV it would work?

no answer? :slap:

[Tasselhof]

crackhead2k, dont worry about FSB1333, at 1:1 multiplier its just ddr2-666 :)
2x multiply for ram, 4x for system bus

[Botijo]

Take a look to ASrock 775Twins Revision 2, cheap board that suports Conroe too. ;)

[freecableguy]

You might want to add "IMO" to your statements....

Correction #1, but who's counting :fact:

Not a correction, I'll give you the info when I'm ready to....

[nutcase]

I don't mean any harm but the term PWM buck controller sound straight up made up! I am not saying that FCG made it up however, in all fairness this term does not come off as professional and it doesn't sound like something an electrician/engineer would use. Just my 2 coppers worth...that's all!

it is real and it is a term for a specific type of PWM Controller.

the attached link is for the ADP3181 Buck controller and it is used on the Asus P5WD2 premium Motherboards:

http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,,766_820_ADP3181%2C00.html

[LyP0]

im about to buy an asus P5WDG2-WS to play with a old celeron i've got, but i want to upgrade to conroe asap. Will this motherboard support this processor ? i've scearched the asus site but it keeps giving me a 404 eror.
If this motherboard supports this is there a specific code i should look for or revision ?
anyone ??...

[JoeBar]

No. We're still waiting for a new revision that will support conroe.

[LyP0]

when wil this new revision be released, i am not asking for a specific day but in how many weeks or months

[Metroid]

Testing the super pi on my system between 1 M got 43 seconds very bad, so the conroe is double faster than my PC very impress...



OS: Win XP SP2
CPU: Pentium 4 550 3.4 GHz 775LGA
Fan: CNPS9500-AT
Mobo: MS-7046 FSB 200 x 17
Memory: 2560MB DDR2 CLS 3.0
Graphics: Geforce XFX 7900 GT 520/1500
Drive: 84.56 WQ
PSU: Tagan TG530-U15 530W ATX2.01 Easycon SLi
Sound: Intel High Definition 7.1
Drive: Pioneer DVR-108
Network: 802.11g wireless

[freecableguy]

Testing the super pi on my system between 1 M got 43 seconds very bad, so the conroe is double faster than my PC very impress...



OS: Win XP SP2
CPU: Pentium 4 550 3.4 GHz 775LGA
Fan: CNPS9500-AT
Mobo: MS-7046 FSB 200 x 17
Memory: 2560MB DDR2 CLS 3.0
Graphics: Geforce XFX 7900 GT 520/1500
Drive: 84.56 WQ
PSU: Tagan TG530-U15 530W ATX2.01 Easycon SLi
Sound: Intel High Definition 7.1
Drive: Pioneer DVR-108
Network: 802.11g wireless

actually, Conroe is more than TRIPLE faster than your system at 43sec

[LUCI5R]

Ave,

Don't know if this the right place. Was going to start a new thread, then i saw this pile-up and thought maybe this is a better place.

I've been waiting for almost a month now, ready to build a new rig, all of the other components decided & ready to purchase... but i'm just waiting for a Motherboard that suits my needs. Which is basically,

- Core 2 Duo Ready
- Crossfire Ready

Thus far i haven't spotted a single motherboard in the market that is ready for both these features. Anyone heard of any motherboards out in the market or releasing soon which support these two features?

I will be building my rig based on the Intel D 930 chip (I won't be purchasing a Core 2 Duo immideately, i'll wait for prices to go down)... but i don't want to replace my motherboard 6 months from now when i decide to get a Core 2 Duo, which is why i want a compatible motherboard now.

Rest of my system looks like this:

- Intel® Pentium® Processor 930 3.0GHz, 800MHz FSB, Socket 775, 2x2MB Cache, Dual Core Retail
- Sunbeamtech SUNNU550-US-BK Nuuo 550 Watt Power Supply (Black) Retail
- G.SKILL 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail
- Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 300GB 3.5 SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
- GIGABYTE Radeon X1300 GV-RX13256DP-RH Video Card - Retail
- ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler - Retail
- ARCTIC SILVER Ceramique Thermal Compound - Retail
- Pioneer 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Read Black ATAPI Model DVR-111D

Just waiting for a Core 2 Duo/Crossfire ready motherboard.

Mickey

[ludeboy12]

wait i thought asus was coming out with a P5B and P5B deluxe for conroe support.

now they're also doing a revision to the P5WDG2 board.

[LUCI5R]

wait i thought asus was coming out with a P5B and P5B deluxe for conroe support.

now they're also doing a revision to the P5WDG2 board.

Ave,

I've read about the P5B & P5B Deluxe Motherboards at the CEBIT 2006. In fact the P5B Deluxe has absolutely everything i could need in a motherboard and more! Anyone know when it's supposed to be due out? Prices?
I'm definately waiting to hear more on that board.

Haven't heard anything about the P5WDG2 Board, but i definately can't afford a $300+ motherboard.

Thanks,
Mickey

[ozz]

quick question, just to confirm what i've read so far; will the new conroe ready motherboards support the current duo processors ie the 9XXs?

[NinjaZX6R]

wait i thought asus was coming out with a P5B and P5B deluxe for conroe support.

now they're also doing a revision to the P5WDG2 board.

I was under the impression that it was going to have a 965x chipset, so it should be cheaper than the p5wd2e. It's all guessing it this point though. I hate it :(

-Collin-

[Metroid]

actually, Conroe is more than TRIPLE faster than your system at 43sec


Seeing all the tests you have done. I must say more than 3, I should say 4 times faster.

It will be a great launch day July 23.

Intel said Conroe will be 40% faster than the Pentium D, I disagree if they speak about performance. It must be a overall. Performance is greater than 70%.

Upgrading my computer in July will be a great advancement 4 times or be 400% faster....Not bad.:D

Thanks for sharing with us..

[NinjaZX6R]

Seeing all the tests you have done. I must say more than 3, I should say 4 times faster.

It will be a great launch day July 23.

Intel said Conroe will be 40% faster than the Pentium D, I disagree if they speak about performance. It must be a overall. Performance is greater than 70%.

Upgrading my computer in July will be a great advancement 4 times or be 400% faster....Not bad.:D

Thanks for sharing with us..

Performance is greater than 70%? Are we just talking pi here?

[Metroid]

Performance is greater than 70%? Are we just talking pi here?


I'm just saying performance overall is greater than 70%. Intel says is just 40%.

[Mad'n'OCed]

Gotta love Intel... Compatability between boards and CPUs take all the time and energy you have to completely keep track of it... that's right ... the only bad thing here i that Mobos manufacturers are a bit too far behind the new CPU ... normally there was a different situation ... the Mobo manufacturer has been jumpin out faster with a support for a forecoming CPU ... am i wrong?

[ls7corvete]

Your all listening to a guy who misspelled intel in his system specs.

[vapb400]

Your all listening to a guy who misspelled intel in his system specs.
because a simple misspelling makes all this information void. Great logic.

*edit*
i dont see a misspelling?

[Remorfer]

Well,

it sure would be nice to see that percentage backed up by some real life figures :)
If you look at the figures posted by anandtech and the firing squad boys, I don't see 70 % for the moment.... And I don't superpi for a living nor for fun :)
It's faster, that's for sure, but it depends on the application, as always....
Hell, the current P4's are faster in some areas, so I sincerely hope the new gen cpu's are faster.
If so, I'll most certainly get one for my audio workstation :)

Greetz,

Remorfer

[CompGeek]

Your all listening to a guy who misspelled intel in his system specs.
and you just misspelled "your" so you're a noob.

[Anemone]

I've seen some tests that begin to show that one of the weaknesses of Conroe is multitasking. It appeared that both the P4 and the A64 did better generally than Conroe. Now that's not going to break the deal for me, nor for most here, but it will be interesting to see if more testing bears it out as true or not.

Food for thought :)

[Sumanji]

I've seen some tests that begin to show that one of the weaknesses of Conroe is multitasking. It appeared that both the P4 and the A64 did better generally than Conroe.

Dual core pwned by older single cores in multi-tasking?! :stick:

[Anjelous]

I'm just having a hard ass time finding a board for my conroes, i just wish they would release them already, not to mention if anyone knows any boards that will for sure be kentsfeild compatable i am very interested in that as well, i would like to just buy one board for conroe and kentsfield.

[Ldawg]

I'm just having a hard ass time finding a board for my conroes, i just wish they would release them already, not to mention if anyone knows any boards that will for sure be kentsfeild compatable i am very interested in that as well, i would like to just buy one board for conroe and kentsfield.

im pretty sure FCG posted that intels 975x badaxe will support kentsfield, rev 304 that is...

[Anjelous]

im pretty sure FCG posted that intels 975x badaxe will support kentsfield, rev 304 that is...

Hmmm i must look into this a little more, if that is the case then i will only need to buy one board, and its already been released....then i can get quad core goodness started adn post some benches for you guys.

[Anemone]

Mmm quad core goodness in a matter of months :)

[beast-usa]

I'm just having a hard ass time finding a board for my conroes, i just wish they would release them already, not to mention if anyone knows any boards that will for sure be kentsfeild compatable i am very interested in that as well, i would like to just buy one board for conroe and kentsfield.


I have the D975Bx ver 304.

I need to find a conroe :confused: :(

And 2 EVGA 7950GX2's on their way.

[Anjelous]

Mmm quad core goodness in a matter of months :)

Hehe Maybe for you, if i can get a board, it will be quad core goodness in a matter of weeks/days.

[Nosfer@tu]

Would be cool with an excel spreed sheet of all mobos that support conroe :)

[LUCI5R]

Would be cool with an excel spreed sheet of all mobos that support conroe :)

I Second that! The sheet could have seperate columns for features (eg:- Sata, PCI-E, Max Memory Supported, Chipset etcetera) and Prices. Hmm, i could work on creating such a sheet, but would need help in filing it in with values and Specs that i miss.

Mickey

[Pedop]

Does any1 know if the ASUS P5WD2-e Premium rev.2 will support conroe, or only rev.3 will support?
tkx:)

[Nosfer@tu]

Hehe Maybe for you, if i can get a board, it will be quad core goodness in a matter of weeks/days.

Quard core is at the VERY erliest Q1 2007 but more likly in Q2, motherboard manufactores have them allready thoug :)
TO the best of my knowlige!

[Nosfer@tu]

Boards marked with BOLD support conroe.

Intel D975XBX (revision 304 and greater) motherboard with latest BIOS ("0618"/1009)

Foxconn 975X7AA
ASUS P5B & P5B Deluxe
P5WD2-WS/P/E Rev. 1.03 boards should have a new pwm buck controllers that supports VRM11 standard.
ASrock 775Twins Revision 2
DFI Infinity 975X
P5W DH Deluxe

What about
MSI 975X Platinum ??
Gigabyte GA-G1975X ??
ABIT A8WD ??
ABIT Fatal1ty FP-A9D??
ABIT AW9D ??
Albatron PX975X ??
ECS PF24 ??

[LUCI5R]

Would be cool with an excel spreed sheet of all mobos that support conroe :)

I've started the Spreadsheet and put it up in "The Motherboards Spreadsheet Project" thread here. Hope people get interested and help it grow.

Mickey

[Nosfer@tu]

I've started the Spreadsheet and put it up in "The Motherboards Spreadsheet Project" thread here. Hope people get interested and help it grow.

Mickey

Accualy. All I want to know is what board has most modding potensial, Vdrop and so on.

And what has max fsb.

I will cope with the fact that it only has 2 x Sata or 1 IDE :)

[TEDY]

I have the D975Bx ver 304.

I need to find a conroe :confused: :(

And 2 EVGA 7950GX2's on their way.

you robbed a bank ? :woot:

[robbysca76]

Any news about DFI Lanparty 975? ;)

[Tutto]

I have a 6600 on the way and was getting ready to order a Foxconn 975X7AA but on NewEgg I read this: "Revision AA does not support Conroe. Revision 975X7AB is on the way, and will offer more overclocking options (Memory Divider Options) I should have the CPU by Wednesday and want to make sure the mobo I get is compatible.

[MTP69]

Hi guys !

I dont know if this is obsolete info to you, but anyway
here it goes:
I have an Bad Axe ver 302 with ADP 3189 buck controller on it.
I checked its specs and finded out that it does support VR11.

http://search.analog.com/search/defa...+3189&local=en

FEATURES
Selectable 2-, 3-, 4-, or 5-phase operation at up to 1 MHz per phase
±7.7 mV worst-case differential sensing error over temperature
Logic-level PWM outputs for interface to external high power drivers
Active current balancing between all output phases
Built-in power-good/crowbar blanking supports on-the-fly VID code changes
Digitally programmable 0.5 V to 1.6 V output supports both VR10.x and VR11 specifications
Programmable short-circuit protection with programmable latch-off delay
APPLICATIONS
Desktop PC power supplies for
Next generation Intel® processors
VRM modules

So is there any chance at all, that Conroe support will come
with Bios update ???
Or is it just those resistors and capacitors which will do the trick ?
Because i thought that D975XBX was originally designed for Conroe.
Wasnt Conroes "nickname" Bad Axe at in some early design stage ?
( The register 2004 or 2005 if i remember ).
I hate to buy a new mobo twice a year, cause they cost ~250€ +
shipping here in Finland.

- MTP69 -

[Mr.X]

Ave,

Don't know if this the right place. Was going to start a new thread, then i saw this pile-up and thought maybe this is a better place.

I've been waiting for almost a month now, ready to build a new rig, all of the other components decided & ready to purchase... but i'm just waiting for a Motherboard that suits my needs. Which is basically,

- Core 2 Duo Ready
- Crossfire Ready

Thus far i haven't spotted a single motherboard in the market that is ready for both these features. Anyone heard of any motherboards out in the market or releasing soon which support these two features?

I will be building my rig based on the Intel D 930 chip (I won't be purchasing a Core 2 Duo immideately, i'll wait for prices to go down)... but i don't want to replace my motherboard 6 months from now when i decide to get a Core 2 Duo, which is why i want a compatible motherboard now.

Rest of my system looks like this:

- Intel® Pentium® Processor 930 3.0GHz, 800MHz FSB, Socket 775, 2x2MB Cache, Dual Core Retail
- Sunbeamtech SUNNU550-US-BK Nuuo 550 Watt Power Supply (Black) Retail
- G.SKILL 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail
- Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 300GB 3.5 SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
- GIGABYTE Radeon X1300 GV-RX13256DP-RH Video Card - Retail
- ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler - Retail
- ARCTIC SILVER Ceramique Thermal Compound - Retail
- Pioneer 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Read Black ATAPI Model DVR-111D

Just waiting for a Core 2 Duo/Crossfire ready motherboard.

Mickey


I'm in a similar situation as you. I'll be getting conroe at the end of the year and I'm waiting for a Core 2 Duo/Sli ready Mobo.
Until i get conroe i'll probably get a Pentium D 805 and overclock the hell out of it but as you, I first need a MoBo that supports conroe.

[The Stilt]

I got this aswer from Asus, when I requested a Core 2 supporting bios for my reworked P5WD2-E board:

"After checked with our RD, due to the normal life circle of our product, P5WD2-E Premium doesn’t support Conroe before PCB 1.03G rev.

So even you change the VRM, due to the circuit limitation, the 1.02G rev motherboard still will not work with Conroe CPU."

[Athens[2004]]

So it seems that asus will never provide a conroe beta bios for p5wd2-e even for testing with modded boards :) . So Roger after all ,,, conroe & p5wd2-e = no go ?

[^don.k's^]

Before PCB 1.03G rev seems that p5wd2-e+conroe wont work. Clear as water...


@ The Stilt: how did you rework your P5WD2-E ?? Im curious :p:

[The Stilt]

Before PCB 1.03G rev seems that p5wd2-e+conroe wont work. Clear as water...


@ The Stilt: how did you rework your P5WD2-E ?? Im curious :p:

- Certain pin of PWM Buck Controller lifted
- Lifted pin connected to certain voltage
- Certain voltage connected to certain pin of the socket
- Certain pin removed from the socket
- Few added resistors that connect certain traces

That was pretty much it.
Before the rework diagnostic card gave only two slashes (which pretty much means nogo). After the mod it just hangs because of some bios issue.

I am pretty sure that it would work with proper bios and according to certain mb engineer it also would ;)

[Para]

Mmmmyeah. Proper application of certain soldering iron. :)

I'd love some info, to start working on the AW8D engineering sample we've got...

[freecableguy]

- Certain pin of PWM Buck Controller lifted easy :D
- Lifted pin connected to certain voltage - I know which one...
- Certain voltage connected to certain pin of the socket yep, found it
- Certain pin removed from the socket ???
- Few added resistors that connect certain traces found these too...

That was pretty much it.
Before the rework diagnostic card gave only two slashes (which pretty much means nogo). After the mod it just hangs because of some bios issue.

I am pretty sure that it would work with proper bios and according to certain mb engineer it also would ;)


So close... ;)
Need that BIOS though...

[icesalmon]

revision 304 of the d975XBX ( bad axe) supports crossfire or sli as well as conroe to my knowledge.

I have a Pentium D 930 and I am just trying to find some info on the best bios to oc this chip, right now the default bios doesn't have jack for options. besides just the burn in 1 percent at a time intervals.

*EDIT : evidentally you can use sli, but its not officially supported? sound accurate ?

[Azh_fx]

for now it should only work with the sli hacked drivers.

[supa-fly]

Still much speculation and rumor running around regarding Conroe support for current 975x motherboards. Let me take a moment to clear the air for all, once and final. Listen up! ;)

1) Boards based on the 975X chipset, available for sale right now, are NOT Conroe compatable, nor will they be with just a BIOS update. The reason why is that the current boards all have a PWM buck controller that does not support VRM revision 11. At the very least a small revision to the board will need to be made along with a new BIOS. End of story.

2) 965X boards, available for sale soon, will all be Conroe compatable. These are being designed to support Conroe from release. They will most likely arrive in market before comparable 975X boards and well before Conroe is available to the public.

3) If you plan on running Conroe later this summer. DO NOT buy a 975X board now with the hope that a BIOS will be made that makes your Conroe drop-in compatable. Now, if you are buying a 975X board for other reasons, knock yourself out.

I am providing this information to the public so that you don't all buy boards and 2-3 months from now cry your eyes out when you find that you need to buy yet another board.

Let the rumors stop! :fact:

-FCG

If you take a look at this link...
http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d975xbx/index.htm
You might think that what you have mentioned is not true, but
this does however confuse me about what you have said and
what is written on Intel's website. This has really got me or am
I reading it all wrong???