Mastakilla
02-22-2006, 12:27 PM
A lil word in advance
Hi mr Gskill-Technician-man + others...
I have my DFI NF4 Ultra-D mobo for a lil over a year now and had quite some probs with it allready...
first i had a Winchester 3200+ that hardly could do 2400mhz...
i also had 2x 512MB Corsair PC4400C25 RAM which actually clocked pretty good (300mhz wasnt really a problem)
in the very beginning this ran all fine, but after awhile i started getting VERY random bluescreens
this was not at all related to stressing or overclocking the pc, i could prime, occt, memtest, game, 3dmark for days... and underclocking or absurd low memory timings or ANY other setting i tried (and trust me, i tried), didnt help...
at that time i was allready planning to upgrade my :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty winchester to a 3200+ venice, so i just let the random bluescreen be in the hope the venice would fix all...
but when i got the venice i noticed something very strange:
regardless of the random bluescreens (which werent fixed by the venice i discovered awhile later :( (sometimes it takes days/weeks for the bluescreen to come, sometimes i had more then 1 / day)), i noticed that both the venice AND the winchester werent stable (occt stable fe) at stock speed :?
i had to increase the FSB above +-210mhz to get stability back
so i started thinking it was the dfi mobo was broke, i contacted dfi and my shop, and eventually i went back to the shop to test the mobo...
they told me there, they have had more problems with DFI + corsair combinations, and they wanted to try some of their ocz mem first...
so they tried it, and yes, stability returned at stock speed.....
so i couldnt rma the mobo
then i tried rma-ing the corsair memory
i posted http://www.houseofhelp.com/v2/showthread.php?p=221488&posted=1 for the ramguy, and he told me to try a new bios and his settings first
i had tried REALLY every possible setting with loose memory timings (2.5 and 3) since i know that RAM doesnt really enjoy cas 2 normally
but the ramguy told me to try some cas 2 settings, and by miracle, these solved the instability at stock speed...
so i couldnt rma the corsair ram either
then came a period it ran quite ok (sometimes that random bluescreen) so i just let it be
then i decided to go for some extreme fun ;)
i bought nice watercooling stuff, i removed the heatspreader of my venice, i replaced the stock heatsink on my dfi mobo and after ALOT of :banana::banana::banana::banana:ting around i got it all installed very nicely (it was my first watercooling ;))
atm my cpu becomes 30°C max, my hds are all cooled by the stacker, my pwm ic becomes 34°C max, my chipset becomes 32°C max etc
EVERYTHING is cooled VERY well atm
so i hoped the random bluescreens to dissapear completely finally (allthough i actually knew it wasnt really temperature related)
but they didnt,
they came back even more frequently
but this time they werent as random as they used to be...
often it had to do with network activity (http.sys bluescreens) but still they also happened quite random sometimes
so i became really pissed at the corsair ram, and decided to buy something else...
tze problems and questions
i bought 2x 1GB gskill zx, even though i had read the latest batch of sticks werent so good anymore (but the price was ok, and i didnt really need it to run at 270mhz... 250mhz or even perhaps 240mhz would make me happy enough allready)
but the nightmare wasnt over yet, the bluescreens didnt dissapear
so i went looking the internet once more...
after alot of searching around, i recently disabled the SSDP Discovery Service which is rumoured to have something to do with those http.sys bluescreens, and since then (a couple of days ago) i didnt have any bluescreens anymore...
so i hope that problem is solved now...
now all above is actually off topic information, but i thought it might be usefull for the problem i wanted to get solved in here...
when i got the new gskill ram, i first chked if it was stable at stock settings, and that it was...
so then i tried seeing how far it could go... so i downclocked my cpu from 300x9mhz (rockstable with the corsair, except for those random bluescreens ;)) to 10x 200mhz, and started increasing the fsb step by step
with stock settings (cas 2) i could get till +-210mhz (no miracle, no disaster)
then with cas 2.5 3 2 5 i could get till 235mhz...
with this i mean, it started booting windows
when i lowered the fsb to 230mhz i could boot and run occt for 1 min max
i increased to cas 3 4 4 8 and tried again, but nothing changed
so i began trying other memory settings...
after 2 hours of trying the most common settings i decided to look for a more stable speed, i found out that 225mhz with loose timings could occt for 37mins
so i decreased to 220mhz and went to bed
next morning i see occt has failed after 8 hours (which i consider pretty stable)
in the evening, i went looking for speed very close to being very unstable (this allows for precise trial and erroring the settings)
i found out that 229mhz would fail occt after 3, max 4 mins
so if a setting increased that time to 4+ min i knew it was better, and if it became below 3 min i knew it was worse
it has never occt'ed longer then 4 min... only lower or no booting
i tried for about 8 hours of trial and erroring settings
first i searched for optimal settings for memory settings that are known to 'make a difference', for those settings i tried all posibilitys
then with these setup as good as possible, i went trial and erroring the more uncommon settings, i also tried all 'sane' combinations with those
after i setup the more uncommon settings too, i went trial and erroring the more common settins once more...
still i couldnt get more then 229mhz... :(
i also tried alot of different voltages for cpu and ram
and multiplier 9 instead of 10
nothing helpes
it really would supprise if there would exist a possible way of setting it up more stable that havent tried...
220mhz is the maximum speed i could get it stable enough
now my questions:
1) heeeeeeeeeeeeeelp ;) give me the miracle settings that can get me to 240mhz at least :)
2) it seems like there is a brick wall somewhere, but i dont know where... is it POSSIBLE that this is a limit of the memory of itself?
it clearly doesnt matter at all what memory settings i use, as long as they are a bit reasonable for such a low speed
3) if it isnt possible that this is a limit of the memory, then where lies the damn brick wall somewhere?
4) if its the a limit of the memory, is it possible then to get switched somehow? i know its stable at its rated speed, but there might be something like consumer appreciation that u might wanne pay attention too ;)
after my 'bad' luck with my winchester (2400mhz max with stock cooler) and my venice (2560hmz max with stock cooler, 2700mhz max with watercooling) i didnt expect too much from the gskill ram i think
but i think that 220mhz max for this mem is even alot below my worst expectations
i really hope someone somehow can help me out, because since i have my new pc ive been spending non stop with hardly any improvememt :(
greetings,
Mastakilla
edit:
i forgot to mention that i also tried each stick in all 4 slots alone, but this didnt help anything either, with a single stick the results were exactly the same...
edit2:
i also forgot to test the memory dividers ;) but i just did now, and that also doesnt help anything :(
the only thing i can now still think of tryin is another bios...
which one do u advice?
Hi mr Gskill-Technician-man + others...
I have my DFI NF4 Ultra-D mobo for a lil over a year now and had quite some probs with it allready...
first i had a Winchester 3200+ that hardly could do 2400mhz...
i also had 2x 512MB Corsair PC4400C25 RAM which actually clocked pretty good (300mhz wasnt really a problem)
in the very beginning this ran all fine, but after awhile i started getting VERY random bluescreens
this was not at all related to stressing or overclocking the pc, i could prime, occt, memtest, game, 3dmark for days... and underclocking or absurd low memory timings or ANY other setting i tried (and trust me, i tried), didnt help...
at that time i was allready planning to upgrade my :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty winchester to a 3200+ venice, so i just let the random bluescreen be in the hope the venice would fix all...
but when i got the venice i noticed something very strange:
regardless of the random bluescreens (which werent fixed by the venice i discovered awhile later :( (sometimes it takes days/weeks for the bluescreen to come, sometimes i had more then 1 / day)), i noticed that both the venice AND the winchester werent stable (occt stable fe) at stock speed :?
i had to increase the FSB above +-210mhz to get stability back
so i started thinking it was the dfi mobo was broke, i contacted dfi and my shop, and eventually i went back to the shop to test the mobo...
they told me there, they have had more problems with DFI + corsair combinations, and they wanted to try some of their ocz mem first...
so they tried it, and yes, stability returned at stock speed.....
so i couldnt rma the mobo
then i tried rma-ing the corsair memory
i posted http://www.houseofhelp.com/v2/showthread.php?p=221488&posted=1 for the ramguy, and he told me to try a new bios and his settings first
i had tried REALLY every possible setting with loose memory timings (2.5 and 3) since i know that RAM doesnt really enjoy cas 2 normally
but the ramguy told me to try some cas 2 settings, and by miracle, these solved the instability at stock speed...
so i couldnt rma the corsair ram either
then came a period it ran quite ok (sometimes that random bluescreen) so i just let it be
then i decided to go for some extreme fun ;)
i bought nice watercooling stuff, i removed the heatspreader of my venice, i replaced the stock heatsink on my dfi mobo and after ALOT of :banana::banana::banana::banana:ting around i got it all installed very nicely (it was my first watercooling ;))
atm my cpu becomes 30°C max, my hds are all cooled by the stacker, my pwm ic becomes 34°C max, my chipset becomes 32°C max etc
EVERYTHING is cooled VERY well atm
so i hoped the random bluescreens to dissapear completely finally (allthough i actually knew it wasnt really temperature related)
but they didnt,
they came back even more frequently
but this time they werent as random as they used to be...
often it had to do with network activity (http.sys bluescreens) but still they also happened quite random sometimes
so i became really pissed at the corsair ram, and decided to buy something else...
tze problems and questions
i bought 2x 1GB gskill zx, even though i had read the latest batch of sticks werent so good anymore (but the price was ok, and i didnt really need it to run at 270mhz... 250mhz or even perhaps 240mhz would make me happy enough allready)
but the nightmare wasnt over yet, the bluescreens didnt dissapear
so i went looking the internet once more...
after alot of searching around, i recently disabled the SSDP Discovery Service which is rumoured to have something to do with those http.sys bluescreens, and since then (a couple of days ago) i didnt have any bluescreens anymore...
so i hope that problem is solved now...
now all above is actually off topic information, but i thought it might be usefull for the problem i wanted to get solved in here...
when i got the new gskill ram, i first chked if it was stable at stock settings, and that it was...
so then i tried seeing how far it could go... so i downclocked my cpu from 300x9mhz (rockstable with the corsair, except for those random bluescreens ;)) to 10x 200mhz, and started increasing the fsb step by step
with stock settings (cas 2) i could get till +-210mhz (no miracle, no disaster)
then with cas 2.5 3 2 5 i could get till 235mhz...
with this i mean, it started booting windows
when i lowered the fsb to 230mhz i could boot and run occt for 1 min max
i increased to cas 3 4 4 8 and tried again, but nothing changed
so i began trying other memory settings...
after 2 hours of trying the most common settings i decided to look for a more stable speed, i found out that 225mhz with loose timings could occt for 37mins
so i decreased to 220mhz and went to bed
next morning i see occt has failed after 8 hours (which i consider pretty stable)
in the evening, i went looking for speed very close to being very unstable (this allows for precise trial and erroring the settings)
i found out that 229mhz would fail occt after 3, max 4 mins
so if a setting increased that time to 4+ min i knew it was better, and if it became below 3 min i knew it was worse
it has never occt'ed longer then 4 min... only lower or no booting
i tried for about 8 hours of trial and erroring settings
first i searched for optimal settings for memory settings that are known to 'make a difference', for those settings i tried all posibilitys
then with these setup as good as possible, i went trial and erroring the more uncommon settings, i also tried all 'sane' combinations with those
after i setup the more uncommon settings too, i went trial and erroring the more common settins once more...
still i couldnt get more then 229mhz... :(
i also tried alot of different voltages for cpu and ram
and multiplier 9 instead of 10
nothing helpes
it really would supprise if there would exist a possible way of setting it up more stable that havent tried...
220mhz is the maximum speed i could get it stable enough
now my questions:
1) heeeeeeeeeeeeeelp ;) give me the miracle settings that can get me to 240mhz at least :)
2) it seems like there is a brick wall somewhere, but i dont know where... is it POSSIBLE that this is a limit of the memory of itself?
it clearly doesnt matter at all what memory settings i use, as long as they are a bit reasonable for such a low speed
3) if it isnt possible that this is a limit of the memory, then where lies the damn brick wall somewhere?
4) if its the a limit of the memory, is it possible then to get switched somehow? i know its stable at its rated speed, but there might be something like consumer appreciation that u might wanne pay attention too ;)
after my 'bad' luck with my winchester (2400mhz max with stock cooler) and my venice (2560hmz max with stock cooler, 2700mhz max with watercooling) i didnt expect too much from the gskill ram i think
but i think that 220mhz max for this mem is even alot below my worst expectations
i really hope someone somehow can help me out, because since i have my new pc ive been spending non stop with hardly any improvememt :(
greetings,
Mastakilla
edit:
i forgot to mention that i also tried each stick in all 4 slots alone, but this didnt help anything either, with a single stick the results were exactly the same...
edit2:
i also forgot to test the memory dividers ;) but i just did now, and that also doesnt help anything :(
the only thing i can now still think of tryin is another bios...
which one do u advice?