View Full Version : AMD AM2: More than just a Memory Change
onethreehill
02-05-2006, 11:20 PM
Whenever the launch happens, those moving to AM2 will at a minimum need a new processor for a new Socket 940, new DDR2 memory to replace existing DDR memory for Athlon 64, and a new or revised heatsink/fan cooling solution.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2688
Magnj
02-05-2006, 11:24 PM
sucks that HSF's wont be backward compatable. new mobo,cpu,memory and HSF. Only things your gonna be able to salvage is Video and HD's :(
STEvil
02-05-2006, 11:44 PM
a drill and drillbit will fix the heatsink incompatabilities.
I would really really like it if the manu's would pick a single heatsink attachment method and stick with it.. all this changing is crap.
No problem with the HS, the big manufacturers will make brackets for it to make the old heatsinks fit anyway.
ex2cib
02-06-2006, 12:42 AM
BT should work, might just need a different piece on the bottom with holes in a different location, or like stevil said, a drillbit
HKPolice
02-06-2006, 12:54 AM
Lies! All lies! AM2 will use DDR3!!!!!
thephenom
02-06-2006, 12:55 AM
Lies! All lies! AM2 will use DDR3!!!!!
You forgot the " " if you plan to quote nn_step. lol
mursaat
02-06-2006, 03:27 AM
Strange move to change the HSF cage. While it has 4 bolts (which is good for heavy HSFs), it has only 1 lug-clip (which is bad as it will allow for bad seating when the mobo is vertical). Just my opinion, but time will tell. I use BT, so I think TT will make a new (cheap!, or free :D) plate.
zir_blazer
02-06-2006, 03:41 AM
When I readed "More than just a Memory Change" I was expecting something interesing, not just an Heatsink mounting mechanism change. The only thing that seems certainly about Socket M2 besides DDR-II support is the inclusion of Pacifica and Presidio.
By the way, why a lot of people wants to wait for Socket M2 to upgrade they computers? Do someone forget that things recently released cost a whole bunch and if AMD did what it did with Socket 939, it will release the most expensive Processors first and we can wait as long as 6 months more to get the lower end models? Or is everyone specting that AMD releases a Socket M2 Sempron at launch day that kills Socket 939 sales?
Starscream
02-06-2006, 03:53 AM
that the new socket AM2 will have 4 mounting holes isnt new news.
you could also see it on the pics of the MSI board.
i wonder why now they go back to 4 holes cause socket A used to have 4 then they went to 2 holes with 754 and 939 and now back to 4.
krille
02-06-2006, 04:02 AM
I am more concerned with when. If it indeed is July, then I'd rather wait for Conroe and see what beats and just settle for an FX-60 atm.
Btw, new heatsink mounting is more than welcome (now we just need Intel and AMD to use the same four hole mounting system), it'll probably help a lot with naked cores cracking without the IHS.
Lies! All lies! AM2 will use DDR3!!!!!lol?
I agree though there is a certain tendency of AM2 being DDR2, still will be interesting to hear nn_step's response.
dave_graham
02-06-2006, 04:12 AM
nothing was said in that article that wasn't already known...*sigh*
dave
Hicks
02-06-2006, 05:12 AM
Wow, how uninteresting and what a let down.
BSill
02-06-2006, 05:26 AM
Any information on what manufactures will be making boards for the release of the new m2 socket? And the chipsets with these boards.
Perhaps the new SLI chipset
RD580 delayed to all hell?
Starscream
02-06-2006, 05:58 AM
Any information on what manufactures will be making boards for the release of the new m2 socket? And the chipsets with these boards.
Perhaps the new SLI chipset
RD580 delayed to all hell?
i thought i read somewere that Nforce4 will also b able to b used on Am2.
cause mem controller is in the CPU there wont have to b made any real changes to the chipset.
i take it all big boys will want to have a board at launch so they wotn miss out on any sales.
BSill
02-06-2006, 06:05 AM
IMO I think "the big boys" are not so much concerned with the price. The only thing that really gets on my nerves is the wait. (cough ATI cough) and how things get delayed...and delayed........and delayed.
For example, I wouldnt want to guess how many people are upset that the RD580 board got pushed back. For gaming use and benchmark purposes. All the hype and now they just shrug their shoulders and roll their eyes saying "oh, sorry." - at least update us, they cannot even provide that
it is just a pain in the butt when you trying to put a new rig together and benchmark, when the two most hyped pieces of hardware release months apart from each other. Its more so anoying than the dent it puts in our pockets.
largon
02-06-2006, 06:18 AM
i thought i read somewere that Nforce4 will also b able to b used on Am2.M2 source clock is 333MHz that's 66% increase clock increase compared to current 200MHz. This means even if nF4 would work with M2, the speed bump would decrease chip yield -> using nF4 would be more expensive.
Sentential
02-06-2006, 06:22 AM
M2 source clock is 333MHz that's 66% increase clock increase compared to current 200MHz. This means even if nF4 would work with M2, the speed bump would decrease chip yield -> using nF4 would be more expensive.
Exactally. Perhaps the semprons will have 200 base HTT but the upper end and X2s definatly will have atleast 266 and most will have 333 (if not all depending on how the final spec comes out)
onewingedangel
02-06-2006, 06:47 AM
hopefully heatsink manufacturers will start using a metal backplate with bolts coming through the four mounting holes, and attach the heatsink with nuts from the front. Excellent mounting pressure, solid hold for even the heaviest heatsinks and ease of mounting waterblocks as well. Why bother with the stock retention mechanism when its so much easier to come up with better ones, and all it involves in changing one is undoing a few screws.
dave_graham
02-06-2006, 07:01 AM
predictions on the DDR2 memory speed it'll be shipping with?
dave
nn_step
02-06-2006, 09:57 AM
That BETTER NOT FREAKING MEAN THAT IT IS GOING TO DUMP OUT AS MUCH HEAT AS I THINK IT MEANS
(AMD WE DON"T WANT A FREAKING PRESCOTT FROM YOU)
ex2cib
02-06-2006, 10:54 AM
That BETTER NOT FREAKING MEAN THAT IT IS GOING TO DUMP OUT AS MUCH HEAT AS I THINK IT MEANS
(AMD WE DON"T WANT A FREAKING PRESCOTT FROM YOU)
maybe they want to come out with their own retail big typhoon look-a-like cooler, and dont want to hear about it bending the motherboard:D
Otaking71
02-06-2006, 11:21 AM
shot in the dark..but could amd be pulling a slot a/slot 1 here?...it looks like the screw spacing is similar to the s478 bracket
nn_step
02-06-2006, 11:56 AM
Actually it is kind of similiar but different from the 775
http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/casecooler/p4775.gif
775
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/amd/am2/3new-cage_lrg.jpg
M2
Pinnacle
02-06-2006, 04:00 PM
(AMD WE DON"T WANT A FREAKING PRESCOTT FROM YOU)
Prescotts arent that hot, ppl just need to give it up already. I never had any heat issues with any of my prescotts even at 4 gigs and air cooling.
If the new Amd is gonna be as hot as the prescott, I got no problem with that whatsoever.
[XC] moddolicous
02-06-2006, 04:07 PM
Prescotts arent that hot, ppl just need to give it up already. I never had any heat issues with any of my prescotts even at 4 gigs and air cooling.
If the new Amd is gonna be as hot as the prescott, I got no problem with that whatsoever.
The early prescotts (like when they first came out) were very hot. They used to get into the 50c idle.
nn_step
02-06-2006, 05:17 PM
and 70C load.. and had a habit of frying if you push them just a bit too hard
Pinnacle
02-06-2006, 05:36 PM
The early prescotts (like when they first came out) were very hot. They used to get into the 50c idle.
I still have my socket 478 DO and E0 prescotts, they are both around 41C idle and never above 56C during full load @ 3.67ghz for the D0 and 4.05ghz for the E0. Dunno, maybe I got some decent chips from a good batch :cool:
nn_step
02-06-2006, 05:41 PM
I still have my socket 478 DO and E0 prescotts, they are both around 41C idle and never above 56C during full load @ 3.67ghz for the D0 and 4.05ghz for the E0. Dunno, maybe I got some decent chips from a good batch :cool:
Must of had good luck Because my D0 went to 70C load with just 3.7Ghz
Revv23
02-06-2006, 08:04 PM
my asrock motherboard had 478 and amd mounting clips, and it came with a 478 retention bracket, with lugs for amd on it.
odd way of doing it, but i dont understrand why theyve got to be so bad about it, i doubt they are going to stop people from switching brands just because they need to buy a new hsf, as it is you need new memory\cpu\mobo anyways.
am2 guys, not intel skt478 :stick:
so, bets on teething problems?
i would like to buy a new pc sometime soon and i dont want to end up with a load of buggy expensive hardware, if am2 can be released without any hardware bugs (in the cpu's or mobo's) or poor fabbing on the first batch i would be very happy.
the new hsf mounting design is a welcome, 4 holes for waterblock screws is much safer and stronger than 2.
nn_step
02-06-2006, 10:17 PM
am2 guys, not intel skt478 :stick:
so, bets on teething problems?
i would like to buy a new pc sometime soon and i dont want to end up with a load of buggy expensive hardware, if am2 can be released without any hardware bugs (in the cpu's or mobo's) or poor fabbing on the first batch i would be very happy.
the new hsf mounting design is a welcome, 4 holes for waterblock screws is much safer and stronger than 2.
I am willing to bet you if it is released in the next 5-6 months there will be atleast a handful of Problems.. if not going the way of 754..
after that My bet is that it is a flawless launch
Hope AM2 cpus can work @-90C:)
Revv23
02-06-2006, 11:27 PM
the new hsf mounting design is a welcome, 4 holes for waterblock screws is much safer and stronger than 2.
well there arent really problems with the 2 screw system, and thats two less screws...
largon
02-06-2006, 11:33 PM
I think this AM2 is something the Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28367) made up.
Curiously, every pic (http://fr.news.yahoo.com/050506/308/4eb2c2.html) of the M2 socket (http://blog.chinabyte.com/245/mollyes/56745.shtml) clearly shows that the socket itself is labeled "Socket M2 (http://ibest.forumpcs.com.br/noticia.php?b=113359)" not AM2. :fact:
nn_step
02-06-2006, 11:37 PM
anyone else notice that only the Inquirer is saying that M2 is coming out soon..;)
well there arent really problems with the 2 screw system, and thats two less screws...
a friend of mine was using a tdx in his watercooling setup, one side of the bracket snapped when he tried to apply pressure to the cpu it also damaged some of the traces around the mounting hole.
since then ive been a bit :stick: (worried) about the design, but meh, its worked for me so far. *touches nearest block of wood*
Revv23
02-07-2006, 08:44 AM
a friend of mine was using a tdx in his watercooling setup, one side of the bracket snapped when he tried to apply pressure to the cpu it also damaged some of the traces around the mounting hole.
since then ive been a bit :stick: (worried) about the design, but meh, its worked for me so far. *touches nearest block of wood*
ahh i see... i blame DD, those plastic covers are crap.