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HKPolice

01-01-2006, 05:02 PM

Too bad they're still using the aging Netburst architecture for the northbridge.... 1333Mhz = 10.6GB/s max theoretical bandwidth between the CPU and chipset. Actual throughput will probably be more like 8GB/s.

Out of that 8GB/s, about 4GB/s is used for PCIe communications in a SLI setup, which leaves a meager 4GB/s for memory bandwidth. Dual channel DDR2 will be able to provide 10.8GB/s of bandwidth EASILY, with 2xPC5400 Micron D9 sticks at 3-2-2 timings.

The only hope is that if one is able to overclock the FSB from 1333Mhz to 2Ghz, which would boost bandwidth from 10.6GB/s to 16GB/s. I highly doubt the northbridge will be able to do that though. There's just too many connections going to it: The CPU, PCIe, memory, AND southbridge.

grimREEFER

01-01-2006, 05:12 PM

the conroe xe at stock is equal to an amd x2 @ about 3.6ghz lol
thats total pwnage
but the cache should be 2mb on all models as someone said before, so dont get ur hopes up for those clock speeds.

grimREEFER

01-01-2006, 05:15 PM

AkXb70

01-01-2006, 05:16 PM

the conroe xe at stock is equal to an amd x2 @ about 3.6ghz lol
thats total pwnage
but the cache should be 2mb on all models as someone said before, so dont get ur hopes up for those clock speeds.
i dont know why you would say that...conroe has yet to be benched. performance can only be guessed atm

Cybercat

01-01-2006, 05:18 PM

northbridge isnt used for pci express communications....and there is no sli on intel setups(lol, unless u use the crappy nvidia chipsets which are totally gay)
wow, you're so knowledgeable!

HKPolice

01-01-2006, 05:21 PM

northbridge isnt used for pci express communications....and there is no sli on intel setups(lol, unless u use the crappy nvidia chipsets which are totally gay)

HAHAAHAHAHA :lol:

Please die.

ingentingmendeg

01-01-2006, 05:46 PM

*drools over conroe XE* 4MB L2 Cache!!! holy mother

nn_step

01-01-2006, 05:52 PM

northbridge isnt used for pci express communications....and there is no sli on intel setups(lol, unless u use the crappy nvidia chipsets which are totally gay)
Please let Evolution kill you :slap:

AkXb70

01-01-2006, 05:52 PM

*drools over conroe XE* 4MB L2 Cache!!! holy mother
all conroe's were supposed to be 4MB L2 (with some 2MB units thrown in)...which is another reason i question this...

Pinnacle

01-01-2006, 06:24 PM

read my post

no:slap:

AkXb70

01-01-2006, 06:27 PM

no:slap:
smart....:rolleyes:

EDIT: actually though, initial P8 chips werent supposed to have HT, although ALL later iterations will (aka MMX)

3NZ0

01-01-2006, 06:35 PM

northbridge isnt used for pci express communications....and there is no sli on intel setups(lol, unless u use the crappy nvidia chipsets which are totally gay)

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/5584/975xdiagram6yg.gif (http://imageshack.us)

erm.....:stick:

[XC] leviathan18

01-01-2006, 07:14 PM

really impresive lets see benchmark to see if they are clock for clock faster than AMD A64

AkXb70

01-01-2006, 09:04 PM

really impresive lets see benchmark to see if they are clock for clock faster than AMD A64
thatl probably be a few months down the road...although my guess is theyll be at least as fast as yonah (due to the very small increase in pipeline length and the tweaked execution engine)

my hopes though are for something thatl smash yonah clock for clock (but..thats hopes...)

HKPolice

01-01-2006, 09:20 PM

If it's rated for upto 3.2Ghz STOCK, then I'm sure even the lower binned chips can OC to at least 3.6Ghz on good air (assuming FSB doesn't become a limiting factor). Even if that's equal to ~3.4Ghz A64 in performance, I don't see how AMD's dual core 90nm process can even come close on air.

Don't get you hopes up though, AMD is going 65nm by end of 2006. Assuming some delays, Q1 2007 at the latest.

[XC] leviathan18

01-01-2006, 09:30 PM

that if they are as fast as A64 clock for clock if the cache is slower and they have longer pipelines it wont be as fast as yonah or A64 perhaps it will be fast but not that fast im guessing 15~20 more than actual AMD offers until AMD gets the 65nm (or 64nm) down the road DDRII and the new process for the silicon

perkam

01-01-2006, 09:41 PM

coldpower27

01-01-2006, 10:57 PM

I think this thread is getting a little gooeey...i've stuck it so that everyone can see :)

WHOA !!! No HT On Conroe's ??? No conroe for me...i'm gonna settle down with a nice presler/cedar mill chip...or if they drop in price enough, a cheap 6xx pressy.

Perkam

Why do you even need it the only comparable chip is Presler Extreme Edition available for 999US bascially shutting out the bulk of people.

Allendale is already better then the Single Core Cedar Mill with Hyper Threading as it is a Dual Core processor with 2MB of cache.

Conroe and Conroe XE will have 4MB LV2 cache and 1066FSB and 1333FSB respectively. Conroe XE is doubtful to be slower then Presler XE in anything short of really heavy multitasking, though I believe the clockspeed should be enough to compensate for Conroe.

BitpowerPM

01-02-2006, 03:49 AM

Conroe needs no HT to perform as well in Multi-Tasking than an actual Presler EE. ;)

Compare:
Conroe: 14-stage efficient pipeline; Netburst: 31-stage pipeline (Prescott and later)
Conroe: 4-issue out-of-order execution unit; Netburst: only 3-issue out-of-order
Conroe: 4 MB shared cache; Netburst: max 2x2 MB (which is slightly worse than a shared cache)

Conroe(Merom) also will have improvements in Branch Prediction, Target look-a-side Buffers, FP&SSE executions, Direct L1 to L1 Link, L2 bandwidth optimizations and a new chipset.

Netburst needed HT because of the long (inefficient) pipeline, Conroe would not really perform much besser with HT.

Nosfer@tu

01-02-2006, 04:26 AM

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/5584/975xdiagram6yg.gif (http://imageshack.us)

erm.....:stick:

So Is HKpolice wrong?

HKPolice

01-02-2006, 07:10 AM

So Is HKpolice wrong?

That's with 1066Mhz FSB which is 8.5GB/s max theoretical bandwidth.

Current SLI setups don't show much of a improvement going from 8x PCIe (2GB/s each = 4GB/s total) to 16x PCIe (8GB/s total). So I assumed that the PCIe load on the i965 chipset would max out at around 4GB/s

Cooper

01-02-2006, 07:47 AM

OH MY GOD - NO HT :p:
Actually NetBurst while working could have some blocks unused(even 100MHz FSB CPUs has those). That`s why Intel made HT to use`em (that also explains why with HT on some apps run slower than w/o it). Conroe won`t have such blocks - so no HT for it ;)

Arkangyl

01-03-2006, 12:40 PM

hokay, so an i975 motherboard can cover everything but Conroe XE. I can live with that.

When they list the chipset bit though, I'm assuming that i975 can cover anything that needs i965, i955, i925 etc... If not then that's just retarded

perkam

01-03-2006, 12:44 PM

Why is everyone worried so much about chipsets ? Third party chipsets like ATI's RC600 series and others should also be supporting Conroe architecture....and that'll be more of the one chipset for all Intel processors kind of solution.

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4766/atiintelrdma1ll.jpg

More Info here: http://www.hardwaregate.com/intro.php?id=363 ... where it actually predicted the x600 coming as an onboard vid solution in July 2005...a story confirmed by The Inq on 29th of December: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28610 .

Though push those release dates at least 6 months ahead as it seems ATI's working to get the RD580 AMD Chipset out right after the R580 launch.

Perkam

Frodin

01-03-2006, 03:28 PM

I've never had an Intel rig, so I'm really looking forward to what Conroe can offer. My Venice 3000+ really stinks at multi- tasking (even overclocked), and I find the X2s a little expensive. But I fear Conroe cpus will be expensive too, are there any hints whatsoever about pricing? And will Presler and Cedar Mill co- exist along with Conroe, or will they be fased out?

BitpowerPM

01-03-2006, 04:41 PM

I think Presler and Cedar Mill will fase out, because no one wants longer a Netburst CPU when Conroe is avaible. :D :banana:

DilTech

01-04-2006, 11:49 AM

I'd definitely say this is fake... If they got presler's info wrong they more than likely have conroe wrong too.

tHe_jOkeR

01-09-2006, 04:28 PM

dubious roadmap in my opinion:stick:

Thorry

01-09-2006, 05:17 PM

Dudes:

Intel admitted themselves: HT sucks ass.
Experts have been saying for years (before HT was available) that HT even at optimal performance would only be a 25% increase in speed.
Intel hasn't come close to optimal, even with software compiled to perform best under HT the speed increase is only about 10-15%.

Also HT was needed to prevent pipeline stalls inherent to the netburst architecture. If one would implement HT on a short pipeline architecture the speed increase would be close to 0% and the netto speed change may even be negative.

In real life HT gives almost no speed increase (more a feeling then a measurable increase) and at dual core systems this feeling is also gone (a dual core system responds so fast to user input the feeling is fast no matter what conditions).

HT was more a futile attempt to solve some of the problems inherent to the netburst architecture and was used by the (very good) marketing department of Intel to praise their CPUs.

Conroe will kick ass, no other Intel CPU before it will come close to the performance.

As for the roadmap: Time will tell all you need to know.

grimREEFER

01-09-2006, 05:46 PM

HAHAAHAHAHA :lol:

Please die.
argh, i misread ur post and i mixed up some :banana::banana::banana::banana: lol.....because i misread ur post lol.:slap:

Pinnacle

01-09-2006, 08:48 PM

Intel said HT sucks ass, hey?? Intel said that??

can you link me

3NZ0

01-10-2006, 12:16 PM

So Is HKpolice wrong?

well it looks like the pci-e connection goes to the nothbridge, doesnt it?

on topic: HT =:slapass:

thanks for the info on HT, Thorry.

Thorry

01-10-2006, 02:52 PM

Intel said HT sucks ass, hey?? Intel said that??

can you link me

Offcourse they didn't shout it from the roofs, but various sources have stated this is the idea about HT and Intel has admitted it to be less then a full succes.

Some links (if you Google I'm sure there will be a lot more about HT)

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39237341,00.htm
http://arstechnica.com/paedia/h/hyperthreading/hyperthreading-1.html
http://blogs.msdn.com/slavao/archive/2005/11/12/492119.aspx
http://www.2cpu.com/articles/43_3.html
http://www.dotnet247.com/247reference/msgs/56/284993.aspx

Pinnacle

01-10-2006, 08:23 PM

Offcourse they didn't shout it from the roofs

Obviously:rolleyes:

I just wanted an intel paper that said, hyperthreading has no advantages

If it was so bad, as you say, why then is it on the 955 EE?

Resent benchmarks showed that their WAS an improvement with it enabled, and it did come close to matching the 4800+

nn_step

01-10-2006, 08:32 PM

Actually Hyperthreading is just the Begining.. Thread Level Parallelization is the next Big thing..

Thorry

01-11-2006, 04:07 PM

Obviously:rolleyes:

I just wanted an intel paper that said, hyperthreading has no advantages

If it was so bad, as you say, why then is it on the 955 EE?

Resent benchmarks showed that their WAS an improvement with it enabled, and it did come close to matching the 4800+

Marketing.... The EE is not that much faster but way more expensive, they throw everything they have onto that just so they can say it's uber.

I can also make a benchmark showing my new blabla feature increases total system performance 50%.

Real life improvement 0, even Microsoft says: Please turn of HT, it slows down your sh*t.

HT is a lame attempt, parallelization however is the future. Just take a look at cell processors, that's the way to go.

Pinnacle

01-11-2006, 05:52 PM

Marketing.... The EE is not that much faster but way more expensive, they throw everything they have onto that just so they can say it's uber.

I can also make a benchmark showing my new blabla feature increases total system performance 50%.

Real life improvement 0, even Microsoft says: Please turn of HT, it slows down your sh*t.

HT is a lame attempt, parallelization however is the future. Just take a look at cell processors, that's the way to go.

HT still has some performance increase.

Parallelization is, nobody is arguing that.

nn_step

01-11-2006, 08:30 PM

But Parallelization will not Hit the Mainstream for atleast another Year.. So until then It IS not a benefit but It is a Future Proof technology that has yet to prove it's worth

Cooper

01-17-2006, 06:09 AM

Some fresh info to you guys :)

Since Intel is sending out Conroe XEs at 3.33GHz to friends and people buried in NDAs until you can't find any trace of their existence, around the end of this month, we think things are in great shape.

The Inq (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29031)

perkam

01-17-2006, 06:10 AM

If Conroe is based on Yonah architecture...3.33ghz should be nuts :slobber:

Perkam

onewingedangel

01-17-2006, 06:30 AM

considering the increased pipeline and higher latency cache compared to dotan, but countered by a four issue wide core with various architectural improvements and a faster front side bus, I believe this would beat even a 3.4ghz a64, which is the max we'd be able to see on a select bin part, even if the tweaks amd and ibm are making to the 90nm process yield a 10% increase in clockspeed. However I find it a little hard to believe that such a chip will be with us anytime soon, after all how much extra headroom is there to compete with the amd 65nm move? My bet is that the initial highest speed will be closer to 3ghz, increasing to 3.33ghz when amd shifts to 65nm, and can offer a competing product. Wonder what the TDp of a 3.33ghz part will be - have they achieved that speed by being more liberal with power and heat requirements? thats an overclockers job!

Sentential

01-17-2006, 08:34 AM

Hmmm if thats true this will certianly give AMD a run for its money, thats for sure. However I worry about the FSB speeds of these chips. AMD will have them beat on the FSB/HTT end of the equation but if they are really 3ghz capable chips AMD might have a seirous problem with the top end

Carfax

01-17-2006, 10:04 AM

According to Charlie Demerjian of the Inq (one of their more reliable reporters), Intel already has Conroe working at speeds of up to 3.33ghz!

Thats amazing if true, because if Intel releases Conroe/Merom on schedule, the fastest chip AMD will have will be 2.8ghz (I think). The 3.0ghz X2s will probably make their debut towards the end of the year.

Can you imagine a 3.33ghz Conroe? That would be akin to having a 4.3ghz K8, if the rumours of the 30% higher IPC prove to be true (in some benchmarks I'm sure)..

I doubt they'll release at so high a clockspeed though, because that would be overkill!

Also, it looks like the XE models will be working with 1333 FSB and the mainstream parts will have 1066..

It's been so long since I've upgraded, I may just blow my entire tax return on a Conroe setup :D

Source (http://theinquirer.net/?article=29031)

Thorry

01-17-2006, 10:16 AM

I doubt they'll release at so high a clockspeed though, because that would be overkill!

WTH are you doing at XS? :slapass: :D

Intel is going to kick *ss with this CPU, but just wait what AMD comes up with.

Carfax

01-17-2006, 10:24 AM

WTH are you doing at XS? :slapass: :D

Intel is going to kick *ss with this CPU, but just wait what AMD comes up with.

What I meant was, that Intel probably won't want to ramp clockspeeds that fast, because AMD is already at a disadvantage by using 90nm process and they don't NEED to introduce a chip at that speed to whoop their ass..

Then again, the XE is in a class by itself, so perhaps they will introduce it at 3.33ghz. The XE chip will be competing directly with AMD's FX part, which should be 3ghz or so.

The mainstream parts will probably start at 2.6ghz, and top out at 3ghz though most likely..

nn_step

01-17-2006, 12:22 PM

The Chips are going to get slower and Slower and we are going to see more and More Cores and Less 4ghz overclocks

kiwi

01-17-2006, 01:46 PM

Wow :slobber:

WTH are you doing at XS? :slapass: :D

lol?

perkam

01-17-2006, 01:49 PM

We have a thread for the Conroe...in which this is old news ;)

--Threads Merged--

Check the first post in this thread ;)

Perkam

Revv23

01-17-2006, 05:39 PM

ive seen this coming for over a year now... amd bumps clocks every few months to keep us happy, but nothing real significant, intel is going to come out with something great, theyll up the volts and max out thier cpu's, then everyone will :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: about how hot amd's run.

sounds kinda like what happened to intel eh?

DilTech

01-19-2006, 01:03 PM

Eh, AMD has their new silicon method and 65nm coming next year... They won't have heat problems or power issues, that's for sure.

Next summer is going to be a definite fight on the CPU front!

nn_step

01-19-2006, 01:12 PM

I wonder if the new Desire of Amd and Intel For multible cores will Cause a Rebirth to Risc

Pinnacle

01-19-2006, 01:15 PM

I wonder if the new Desire of Amd and Intel For multible cores will Cause a Rebirth to Risc

ya, good question

saaya

01-19-2006, 01:18 PM

According to Charlie Demerjian of the Inq (one of their more reliable reporters), Intel already has Conroe working at speeds of up to 3.33ghz!not only intel :D
and there are conroe samples running that speed for months already :D

Cooper

01-19-2006, 01:27 PM

saaya knows something we don`t
Share some plz :)

saaya

01-19-2006, 01:37 PM

all i can say is that conroe will be DAMN fast... sorry :(

nn_step

01-19-2006, 01:44 PM

all i can say is that conroe will be DAMN fast... sorry :(
Please for the love of God tell me they aren't still trying too keep the Clock speed high..
I would prefer if they dropped the speed and did more for every Clock

Cooper

01-19-2006, 01:57 PM

saaya will they be i975X compatible ? Or yr birdy uses different type chipset ?

Thorry

01-21-2006, 06:22 PM

Please for the love of God tell me they aren't still trying too keep the Clock speed high..
I would prefer if they dropped the speed and did more for every Clock

Why do you care?

Yes the netburst architecture could only work on very high clockspeeds (Prescott should have been 5-6 ghz) and yes that didn't work for various reasons. But a new architecture could not have these problems.

What if the next generation CPUs run at 25 Ghz and still only be twice as fast as the current architecture, why do you care?

Failing of high clockspeeds on netburst architecture is a seperate issue from high clockspeeds. Actually in a FSB environment higher clockspeeds mean more bandwidth which is good.

There are only two problems with higher clockspeeds:
- High clockspeed circuits put out more EMI
- High clockspeed circuits are more vunerable to EMI

That's why clockspeeds need to be kept lower instead of higher, however a compromise needs to be found where that compromise lays nobody really knows. As circuits get smaller and smaller more parallization is possible which leaves more bandwidth at the same clockspeeds. On the other side smaller circuits can be switched faster which means higher clockspeeds.

People should know by now clockspeed says absolutely nothing...

coldpower27

01-21-2006, 09:29 PM

Here is my take on the roadmap:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42636&stc=1&d=1137907655

I am hopeful this is correct, would be nice as Allendale can target some of the lower price points.

Cooper

01-26-2006, 08:08 AM

New info from HKEPC.com (http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D543996&prev=/language_tools)

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments_dir/ext_jpg/conroe-1_6KyIDq6NYhZF.jpg
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachments_dir/ext_jpg/conroe-2_ckSmaqSIsB9r.jpg

So Conroe should still be sitting on LGA775 - that`s good. Today you can buy mobo and 6xx/9xx and then upgrade to Conroe. I guess this year Intel is on "small investments upgrade" road :D
Hopefully those rumors with i975 rev.2 won`t come true or at least current i975 mobos will support Conroe without any issues.

UPDATE

http://resources.vr-zone.com/newspics/Jan06/27/Conroe-2.jpg

Check out the differences in the capacitors at the back of the CPUs. However, no 975X boards out there are able to run Conroe at the moment. Not even a BIOS update. Gotta wait for a new PCB revision.

I guess Asetek will make it possible to run Conroe on curent i975x based mobos with simple BIOS update :D...I hope few of brand makers will make it.

I`m just really curious what kinda mobos are used by people confirming 3.3GHz spec :rolleyes:

Cooper

02-01-2006, 05:06 AM

New info on Conroe and i975x compatability

Mobos for Conroe chips will have different VRM (voltage regulator module). Of course they will be compatible with curent cpus. Hopefully some hardware mods will allow todays i975 mobos to run Conroe.

Source (http://www.overclockers.ru/hardnews/21292.shtml) - russian website

maratus

02-06-2006, 04:09 AM

Big disappointment :(

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29504

I think I'll go with Presler untill 3.33Ghz Conroe appears....

onewingedangel

02-06-2006, 05:54 AM

not really look at the xeon linup - they have their xx60 chip listed as 3ghz, which would indicate headroom above 3ghz. Maybe the e9 series will scale to 2.7 on launch with a 3ghz ee with decent speedbumps to follow. After all this architecture will have to last intel a good while yet, and the e9 series classification may not last too long (move to a higher fsb?). This news is not dissapointing, instead its rather good news, and indicates good overclocking headroom on these chips as well.

Sentential

02-06-2006, 06:20 AM

Big disappointment :(

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29504

I think I'll go with Presler untill 3.33Ghz Conroe appears....
Thats more in line of what I have heard/expected. Numerous sources have told me that Conroe has a top end problem similar to Presler and Winchester. Its a great cool running CPU but most have issues past 2.6ghz and a rare few could scrape 3.

Frankly this is far more optomistic than I thought it would be. I wholly expected the top end Conroe chip to be 2.33ghz and not 2.6

Cybercat

02-06-2006, 08:48 AM

2.6GHz will definitely challenge Intel's architecture efficiency against AMD. AMD might have theirs at 2.8GHz by then.

onewingedangel

02-06-2006, 09:13 AM

4 issue wide core vs 3 though, should counter the imc nicely.

Cybercat

02-06-2006, 09:23 AM

That, and the ridiculous amount of L2 cache.

coldpower27

02-06-2006, 05:45 PM

2.67GHZ/1066FSB/4MB @ 530US doesn't sound too bad though.

Also with the 3GHZ/1333FSB/4MB available on the server side for 850US, we could easily have an EE for 999US of this same chip but on the desktop.

It would be interesting to see what AMD Athlon FX Dual Core is like by then 2.8GHZ with DDR2, how competitive to say for certain however is hard to say.

WoD

02-11-2006, 01:19 PM

News - Conroe, Woodcrest, Merom

Maybe these are some interessting infos...

http://pics.computerbase.de/news/13053/1.gif

http://pics.computerbase.de/news/13053/2.gif

//Edit

http://img15.imagevenue.com/loc4/th_038db_Unbenannt.JPG (http://img15.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc4&image=038db_Unbenannt.JPG)

http://img145.imagevenue.com/loc113/th_eb7bf_Unbenannt2.JPG (http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc113&image=eb7bf_Unbenannt2.JPG)

http://img144.imagevenue.com/loc31/th_8ae85_Unbenannt3.JPG (http://img144.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc31&image=8ae85_Unbenannt3.JPG)

Source (http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/prozessoren/intel/2006/februar/neues_conroe_merom_woodcrest/) computerbase.de (GER)

perkam

02-11-2006, 02:02 PM

Wow...the revolution cometh...

Perkam

Cooper

02-11-2006, 02:24 PM

Looks like E6600 gonna be very popular among Intel users. Hopefully those will be [/]mostly[/i] high OCable.
Also Very good prices

Cybercat

02-11-2006, 10:16 PM

$1300??? They can forget that.

Cooper

02-12-2006, 01:48 AM

Where did you saw that price ?
E6600 only 315$

leejsmith

02-12-2006, 02:21 AM

if you look on the left of the roadmaps they give estimated full system prices not cpu prices.
shame there is no socket / chipset information that would be usefull.

$1300??? They can forget that.

krille

02-12-2006, 03:12 AM

WoD > Welcome to XS! :toast:
I see no Woodcrest info though?

Will there be no extra incentive except clockspeed to go EE?

Looks like E6600 gonna be very popular among Intel users. Hopefully those will be [/]mostly[/i] high OCable.
Also Very good prices
Since E6600 will be fairly cheap and lowest bin, it shouldn't OC the most, but maybe good enough?

So, on a side note, if you assemble a $1500 system, Intel thinks at least $900 should go into the Intel CPU... RIGHT.

WoD

02-12-2006, 04:14 AM

Oh sorry, I forgot Woodcrest... i'm gonna fix it... ^^

Cybercat

02-12-2006, 09:54 AM

if you look on the left of the roadmaps they give estimated full system prices not cpu prices.
oh, didn't see that.

Cooper

02-12-2006, 10:25 AM

Since E6600 will be fairly cheap and lowest bin, it shouldn't OC the most, but maybe good enough?

I mean it`s gonna be like 2.4C Northy ;)

Sentential

02-13-2006, 04:57 PM

Those numbers look more in line of what Ive heard. Frankly I still think 2.66 is high for Conroe, most of what I know tells me that it will cap off at 2.33 not 66

vapb400

02-13-2006, 06:03 PM

Intel has a new revision of their D975XBX desktop board currently under sampling that will support the upcoming Conroe processors. The current D975XBX boards out in the market with revision -202 will not be able to support Conroe even with a BIOS update. The new revision D975XBX rev. -301 board will do just fine with changes to the certain motherboard components.

From VR-Zone (http://vr-zone.com)

Hope that comes soon

krille

02-13-2006, 06:40 PM

I mean it`s gonna be like 2.4C Northy ;):slobber:

As for EE, it should be ~3 Ghz (since highest clocked Woodcrest is 3 Ghz). Which should go up against 2.8 Ghz FX-62. Intel may have a winner there, we shall see.

vapb400

02-13-2006, 07:50 PM

DeltZ

02-14-2006, 02:41 AM

i guess intel will have successfully made transition to pentium netburst to M tech with conroe.. Still can play "More MHZ the better" game.

edit: Also...Since the core seems to vary from quite low clock speeds to high (EE). What do we reckon the max OC is gonna be on these things? will it go beyond 5 ghz? I apologise if i'm a little behind :/

onewingedangel

02-14-2006, 05:22 AM

If you think of the lower clocked chips as being like the low voltage xeons that were clocked at half the speed of the normal chips, intel categorising the chips into different market segments isn't a new phenomena. However when you consider the chips design it will not clock anything like a netburst chip does under extreme cooling. The extreme cooling helps the long netburst pipeline achieve its potential, wheras conroe eliminates the problems of leakage and as such their should be much less wasted potential.

ewitte

02-14-2006, 07:05 AM

I'm having visions of 4.2Ghz+ Conroe under phase change :slobber:

d@rkn1ko

02-14-2006, 08:06 AM

you will need very good board for to go over 400 mhz fsb :slobber:

Sentential

02-14-2006, 11:58 AM

I'm thinking that XE would be 3.33. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Intel always releases the desktop higher clocked chips before the server chips. I say we'll see 2.66 and 3.33 at launch and upto 3.0GHz on the server side, then a couple months later we will get the 2.93GHz desktop and a 3.33GHz server.

Thats what seems logical to me.
Thats not gonna happen. Word on the street was that intel was petrified about how badly Conroe and Yonah was scaling, almost to the point that they thought of canning it and moving to plan C.

This timeline is easily followable and you can see where I am getting these facts from. The inital samples wouldnt do over 2ghz hence the 1.8 samples. The newer batches just as Presler was about to be released were doing rougly over 2.6 and now its sitting just below 3ghz. 3.3XE is simply not going to happen at all unless Intel can pull a major rabbit out of the hat.

From what I hear now the problem is semi-fixed but it will take atleast .45nm before we will start seeing over 3 on air. They are still suffering the same leakage issues since they still using "dumb" silicon compared to what AMD is using currentally

maratus

02-14-2006, 12:20 PM

you will need very good board for to go over 400 mhz fsb :slobber:
Hope Conroe XE will have unlock multi...

vapb400

02-14-2006, 05:03 PM

Thats not gonna happen. Word on the street was that intel was petrified about how badly Conroe and Yonah was scaling, almost to the point that they thought of canning it and moving to plan C.

This timeline is easily followable and you can see where I am getting these facts from. The inital samples wouldnt do over 2ghz hence the 1.8 samples. The newer batches just as Presler was about to be released were doing rougly over 2.6 and now its sitting just below 3ghz. 3.3XE is simply not going to happen at all unless Intel can pull a major rabbit out of the hat.

From what I hear now the problem is semi-fixed but it will take atleast .45nm before we will start seeing over 3 on air. They are still suffering the same leakage issues since they still using "dumb" silicon compared to what AMD is using currentally
Hmm didn't realize that. The easy clocking of Yonah to 2.7+ in a crappy (?) motherboard with a crappy heatsink is a positive though.

We are still looking at a Q3/Julyish release?

Sentential

02-14-2006, 05:24 PM

Hmm didn't realize that. The easy clocking of Yonah to 2.7+ in a crappy (?) motherboard with a crappy heatsink is a positive though.

We are still looking at a Q3/Julyish release?
Yes I agree completely. What Im getting at is that a 3.3 is not going to happen with the way Intel bins their chips. However Id say it might with *our* cooling. 2.66 I still think is optomistic based on what Ive personally heard of conroe. Sure they will clock that high but I really doubt that Intel can bin it stock that high. I think 2.33 is far more likely

Granted Socket AM2 might do the same as well...

Clearly Intel has CPU power on its side (and nothing in terms of bandwidth) and AM2 will have little CPU power but an incredible amounts of bandwith

d@rkn1ko

02-14-2006, 09:47 PM

Hope Conroe XE will have unlock multi...
normaly yes :banana: but 1000$
I like E6400 315$ :D

Pinnacle

02-14-2006, 10:10 PM

Clearly Intel has CPU power on its side (and nothing in terms of bandwidth) and AM2 will have little CPU power but an incredible amounts of bandwith

Now, how can we have both?

krille

02-15-2006, 01:15 AM

normaly yes :banana: but 1000$
I like E6400 315$ :DThat's why there should be the usual extra incentive... more cache... l3 cache... higher fsb... w/e

Cooper

02-15-2006, 08:25 AM

Several internal memos and roadmaps from Intel confirmed what many of us already suspected: Intel's Conroe (and Merom) will feature SSE4. The next generation SSE instructions were listed as part of the the platforms "Significant Video Enhancements" built into the upcoming Intel platforms.

Source (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=788)

WoD

02-16-2006, 07:31 AM

The new Intel D975XBX rev. -301 will support Conroe. Does anybody know, if you can buy the board somewhere?
Because I really need a new computer. With the new Intel board I could now buy a Pentium D and then upgrade with a Conroe.

Edit - Source: http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3220

Cooper

02-16-2006, 08:13 AM

with changes to the certain motherboard components.

It will have new VRM (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1264615&postcount=72). Maybe curent i975x mobos will be able to support Conroe with hardmod.

leejsmith

02-16-2006, 08:23 AM

both intel (especialy) and asus would know conroe will need a new vrm at time of making the i975x boards so why not include them from the start.
it will be one a day disposable boards/chip sets next.
a modular vrm would be good like on some ibm servers i used to build. when you installed a 2nd slot 1 p3 you had to install a new vrm for it too.

d@rkn1ko

02-16-2006, 12:14 PM

money :D

vapb400

02-16-2006, 02:37 PM

Any word on whether or not the XE will have unlocked multi? If it doesnt, most of us would probably be just as well off or better (if it only makes it to 3.0GHz), in buying the 2.66, simply because of the higher multiplier.

perkam

02-17-2006, 08:22 PM

Conroe Chipset Info: http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=554771

Perkam

Cooper

02-18-2006, 01:29 AM

Incredible feature for on-board grafics. Interesting how fast will it perform.

agenda2005

02-23-2006, 11:13 PM

Now, how can we have both?

CSI on Conroe! Memory controller, PCI-E all on the CPU by 2008. FB-DIMM and mutiplexed DDR2-1066 (Bi-direction 533MHz) and by the time AMD tries to close the gap that Conroe will create this Q3/Q4, CSI will kill such an attempt. Never mess up with a giant, you will pay a big price.
One Golf peep made a careless coment and was smiling at his chances of beating the number one Golfer in the world (Tiger Woods) in the ongoing Wolrd golf Championship. He was literaiy humiliated as Tiger Wood handed his ass to him by winning all the holes, except the last with a 9 & 8.
AMD pissed off Intel with the challenge they called for last year and they will most likely get it soon. Intel have lots of engineers and smart ones for that matter. Wake up a sleeping Giant, you lite up a fire under yourself.

Pinnacle

02-23-2006, 11:37 PM

CSI on Conroe! Memory controller, PCI-E all on the CPU by 2008. FB-DIMM and mutiplexed DDR2-1066 (Bi-direction 533MHz) Dunno where your getting this from?

One Golf peep made a careless coment and was smiling at his chances of beating the number one Golfer in the world (Tiger Woods) in the ongoing Wolrd golf Championship. He was literaiy humiliated as Tiger Wood handed his ass to him by winning all the holes, except the last with a 9 & 8.
Yes, his name was Stephen Ames.

AMD pissed off Intel with the challenge they called for last year and they will most likely get it soon. Intel have lots of engineers and smart ones for that matter. Wake up a sleeping Giant, you lite up a fire under yourself.[/

:stick:

perkam

02-26-2006, 07:18 PM

I'm letting this go due to lack of concrete information.

Perkam

krille

02-26-2006, 09:02 PM

I'm letting this go due to lack of concrete information.

PerkamThis means from now on New Conroe Info should be posted in New Conroe Threads? :p:

A little odd to "let this go" some 115 posts later... very well lol.

perkam

02-26-2006, 09:31 PM

This means from now on New Conroe Info should be posted in New Conroe Threads? :p:

A little odd to "let this go" some 115 posts later... very well lol. You're right...but its also because the latest roadmaps show Conroe closer to q4 06. So yea, we'll take each bit of news as it comes along :)

Not to mention that we have a steady balance of ATI and Nvidia threads sticked. SO if i were to keep this stickied, I would have had to sticky comprehensive AM2 thread as well to balance it out ;)

Perkam

nn_step

02-26-2006, 09:36 PM

One word DDR3...
:p:

Serge84

03-11-2006, 08:51 PM

northbridge isnt used for pci express communications....and there is no sli on intel setups(lol, unless u use the crappy nvidia chipsets which are totally gay)

Don't hold your breath... no wait please do so we can see something happen. :rolleyes: Prob a ATI fan.

perkam

03-11-2006, 09:15 PM

What !!! Stop bringing old threads to life !!!

Zombie Thread !!! :eek:

Perkam

nn_step

03-11-2006, 09:18 PM

What !!! Stop bringing old threads to life !!!

Zombie Thread !!! :eek:

Perkam
Everyone Grab a shotgun and lets see if we can finally kill this thread :p:

darkhelmet

03-12-2006, 09:43 AM

SO when Is Intel going to do something intelligent and Make One CHIPSET that WILL beable to use ALL 775 CPUs?

one chipset to rule them all...

but yes i agree.....a different chipset for every time they make a new proc is pretty weak