Fast Civic and fast RSX-S videos, as well as fast Subaru.

[ToxicBug]

256whp N/A b18c1 EG and 252whp N/A DC5 videos

This is insane:

http://users.electrocity.ca/dru/t-blizzard/t-blizzard_EG.mpg

This K24A2 DC5 is sick too, a guy from montreal btw:

http://media.putfile.com/ttt54

Frankenstein 2.2T Subaru Outback Sport 0-200km/h:

http://media.putfile.com/subaru_0-200kmh

[gkiing]

By frankenstein do you mean mix n match head/block/cams/pistons etc?
I've often been able to do that without problems

[ToxicBug]

By frankenstein do you mean mix n match head/block/cams/pistons etc?
I've often been able to do that without problems
I don't really know any details on the Subaru.

[Soulburner]

Wow, 256whp :eek2:

Don't go too fast now :stick:

:D

[ToxicBug]

256whp from a 1.8L N/A...

[SquireSCA]

256whp from a 1.8L N/A...

In a car that weighs 3000 pounds or more with fuel and driver, easily.

3000/256= 11.72 pounds per HP, if not higher

Not very impressive.

My F4i is 100HP, 620 pounds with fuel, oil and myself:

620/100= 6.2 pounds per HP.

I am thinking that the car would need at least 550HP just to be in the running, not to mention some way of putting that much power to the ground.

They may be quick for econoboxes, but ricers just never impressed me all that much. Lot's of noise and bling, and not much else.

[mikenam]

are u comparing a bike w/ a car?

[SquireSCA]

Yes, but I am also pointing out that 256HP is nothing to be excited about. Go buy a new Nissan Altima and you get that much power out of a mid-level sedan. Also, you could hear that Acura hopping and losing tracking in the first two gears, which means the acceleration is not even as good as it could be.

[Soulburner]

Well he's right, it's a poor car to choose to work on and put money into trying to make it fast. 256hp is respectable though, I guess.

[bullet2urbrain]

well if all they can afford is a civic.. then so be it...they put in the time and money to do what they wanted... and as long as they are happy then so be it... why shoot them down... especially if they arent around to defend their rides.

my car puts down 220whp... and i'd venture to say soulburner you'd be surprised at how quick it is....not FAST ...but QUICK

[SquireSCA]

well if all they can afford is a civic.. then so be it...they put in the time and money to do what they wanted... and as long as they are happy then so be it... why shoot them down... especially if they arent around to defend their rides.

my car puts down 220whp... and i'd venture to say soulburner you'd be surprised at how quick it is....not FAST ...but QUICK

I think that it is more of a case of fast cars becoming so prevalent and easy to buy, that when someone goes to such lengths and expense on a Civic, it is overshadowed by someone just buying a Neon SR/T or something...

Fast cars are a dime a dozen, so the bar has been raised on what is "impressive" to many people, that's all.

[bullet2urbrain]

i'd be willing to bet (and i hate "bench/paper" racing) that the civic would beat an SRT-4. Stock SRT 4 vs. that civic.....

i still think a chromed out Big Block Chevy is impressive.... but yet i drive a "modified" 4 cylinder everyday.. and everyday i set out not to be the fastest or the most stylish but to do something that makes me happy and is off the beaten path..

your right they could have taken their 5k or whatever in mods and bought an SRT-4 and put 800 dollars worth of mods in that and had a faster car...but hopefully it makes them happy driving their civic.. and im sure a 256 whp Civic surprises some people.

[SquireSCA]

i'd be willing to bet (and i hate "bench/paper" racing) that the civic would beat an SRT-4. Stock SRT 4 vs. that civic.....

i still think a chromed out Big Block Chevy is impressive.... but yet i drive a "modified" 4 cylinder everyday.. and everyday i set out not to be the fastest or the most stylish but to do something that makes me happy and is off the beaten path..

your right they could have taken their 5k or whatever in mods and bought an SRT-4 and put 800 dollars worth of mods in that and had a faster car...but hopefully it makes them happy driving their civic.. and im sure a 256 whp Civic surprises some people.

I guess you are probably right. Call me biased, but I am used to doing 0-60mph in 3 seconds.

In 1st gear no less. ;-)

[ToxicBug]

Well its not really fair to compare a turbocharged car (SRT4) with a N/A car like that Civic. There are a lot of turbo Civics and Integras that make 500+ whp (street) and 650+ whp (drag) from their 1.6 and 1.8L engines, but making 256whp from a N/A 1.8L is very impressive. That car runs low 12's. Btw, for people who are saying that some people chose to modify a Civic because they don't have money, the engine in that civic has at least $20K USD of mods in it, getting 256whp from a N/A 1.8L is not easy or cheap, but anything can be done with enough money

[SquireSCA]

Well its not really fair to compare a turbocharged car (SRT4) with a N/A car like that Civic. There are a lot of turbo Civics and Integras that make 500+ whp (street) and 650+ whp (drag) from their 1.6 and 1.8L engines, but making 256whp from a N/A 1.8L is very impressive. That car runs low 12's. Btw, for people who are saying that some people chose to modify a Civic because they don't have money, the engine in that civic has at least $20K USD of mods in it, getting 256whp from a N/A 1.8L is not easy or cheap, but anything can be done with enough money

OK, my point is "why would you"?

Take a $15k car and drop at least $20k in engine and transmission mods into it? You are still stuck with a Honda Civic. It's like taking a $100 CPU and spending $800 on cooling and mods to get it to perform as fast as the $850 CPU. If you are gonna spend the cash, why not just get the $850 CPU?

Personally, I would rather take that $35k and go buy a new G35 Coupe and have a nicer car, more HP, better options inside and a warranty.

But as the other guy said, to each his own.

[pissboy]

3000/256= 11.72 pounds per HP, if not higher

Not very impressive.

My F4i is 100HP, 620 pounds with fuel, oil and myself:

620/100= 6.2 pounds per HP.

This isnt a ricer, but wanted to point it out. :)

http://www.arielatom.com 1203lbs/300bhp= 4lb/HP with driver ;)

(456KG)1003.2lbs + 200lb driver = 1203.2lbs, 300bhp with the supercharged honda 2L option, 0-60 in 2.88s
Of course, optional components will vary the weight.. ie aerofoils vs no aerofoils, etc.

obligatory top gear video link -
http://www.openwheelers.com.au/videos/Top_Gear_Ariel_Atom_2_Full_segment.mpg

[ToxicBug]

Yep, the ariel beat everything on their track except for an Enzo, that inlcudes the Carrera GT, Mercedes SLR, etc. The engine is a supercharged K20A2 (Acura RSX-S) to be more precise. It costs something like $45K USD btw.

[SquireSCA]

This isnt a ricer, but wanted to point it out. :)

http://www.arielatom.com 1203lbs/300bhp= 4lb/HP with driver ;)

(456KG)1003.2lbs + 200lb driver = 1203.2lbs, 300bhp with the supercharged honda 2L option, 0-60 in 2.88s
Of course, optional components will vary the weight.. ie aerofoils vs no aerofoils, etc.

obligatory top gear video link -
http://www.openwheelers.com.au/videos/Top_Gear_Ariel_Atom_2_Full_segment.mpg

That is a cool car. Well, more like a supercharged go-cart really...

[Cossey]

Yep, the ariel beat everything on their track except for an Enzo, that inlcudes the Carrera GT, Mercedes SLR, etc. The engine is a supercharged K20A2 (Acura RSX-S) to be more precise. It costs something like $45K USD btw.
the 300 bhp one is nearer $55k

they are great toys but you have to be a little bit mad to buy one (having said that i know someone who drives a 275bhp one to work each day)

[MaxxxRacer]

who in their right mind would drive one of those to work.. it prolly cant take daily roads very well at all..

Im sure on the track it would be fun as hell to play with, and a fun weekend car to drive around the hills, but as a daily driver this car makes the lotus elise look like a lincoln town car.

[Soulburner]

Why drive a Go-Kart to work? :confused:

[Cossey]

time mostly, he either has an 1hr 30min highly congested motorway trip into work each morning (and even worse coming home at night) or the alternative is to go the cross country route which is small twisty roads but the y have a speed limit of 60mph. his logic is if he takes his normal car it will take him 1hr30min to get to work and the same back if he goes cross country and around the same if he goes by motorway but if he drives his atom across country it takes him less than an hour.

he just weras motorbike waterproofs and a helmet so it only takes a couple of minutes to get changed at each end and this way he gets to see his kids during the week rather than coming home after theyve gone to bed.

[Soulburner]

And how does it save time to drive that thing instead of a car...you are still bound to the street like everyone else? :confused:

[Cossey]

And how does it save time to drive that thing instead of a car...you are still bound to the street like everyone else? :confused:
country roads in the uk normally are classified as national speed limit which is 60mph. most cars would not be able to do 60 safely on them (these are small single lane with lots of corners) on these roads driving skill and vehicle dynamics determine how fast you can go. an atom can go at a fairly constant 60 but a normal car would be able to go at 60 on the straight bits but would have to slow down to 30-40 on the corners.

this is the big difference between us and european/uk roads. :p:

[SewerSide]

OK, my point is "why would you"?

Take a $15k car and drop at least $20k in engine and transmission mods into it? You are still stuck with a Honda Civic. It's like taking a $100 CPU and spending $800 on cooling and mods to get it to perform as fast as the $850 CPU. If you are gonna spend the cash, why not just get the $850 CPU?

Personally, I would rather take that $35k and go buy a new G35 Coupe and have a nicer car, more HP, better options inside and a warranty.

But as the other guy said, to each his own.

For that exact reason, why buy it fast when you can work on your car and make it as fast if not faster than anything else stock?
I dont know about you but tuning your ride yourself and getting it faster than stock cars is what street performance cars are about.

Sure we could all drive Ferrari's and be super fast, but then Ferrari's wouldnt be considered cool cause everyone would have one.
There are many differant types of people in the world, to match that, many differant types of cars are needed.
Of those people, some of them like taking slow cars and making them go fast, just like overclockers.
At the end of the day, it isnt about how much you spent on it to make it that fast, or how much it cost stock, its about how much FUN and ENJOYMENT you have while doing it.

[ChongL]

Yes, but I am also pointing out that 256HP is nothing to be excited about. Go buy a new Nissan Altima and you get that much power out of a mid-level sedan. Also, you could hear that Acura hopping and losing tracking in the first two gears, which means the acceleration is not even as good as it could be.

The altima also has TWICE the displacement and is a V6. If you don't think 256WHP N/A from an I4 is impressive, I think you should reconsider... :slap:

[SewerSide]

I think he misread wHP for BHP, because Altima's dont come 256wHP stock.

[SquireSCA]

It is impressive in much the same way that it would be impressive to get 15HP from a leaf-blower.

I am much more impressed that an R6 motor cranks out 133HP from 599cc and a 17,500rpm redline without flying apart.

I guess it is kinda cool, but these days, a "sports" car with less than 300HP is not very impressive. I know that the Civic is not a sports car, but the owner obviously wants it to be.

[SewerSide]

What about 350+ HP from a 1300cc N/A Rotary engine? ;)

[ToxicBug]

It is impressive in much the same way that it would be impressive to get 15HP from a leaf-blower.

I am much more impressed that an R6 motor cranks out 133HP from 599cc and a 17,500rpm redline without flying apart.

I guess it is kinda cool, but these days, a "sports" car with less than 300HP is not very impressive. I know that the Civic is not a sports car, but the owner obviously wants it to be.
Actually that civic has about 300hp, no way to know how much it is exactly, but 256whp is equal to roughly 300hp at the crank.

[ToxicBug]

What about 350+ HP from a 1300cc N/A Rotary engine? ;)
LOL rotary engines don't count, plus the RX-7 ones are very unreliable...

[SquireSCA]

Actually that civic has about 300hp, no way to know how much it is exactly, but 256whp is equal to roughly 300hp at the crank.

True, but it cost him over $20k, and at the end of the day, he still has an econobox Civic.

He could have just gotten an Acura TL or G35 and had a card about as fast, but a hell of a lot nicer.

I am not saying that Civics cannot made to be fast, I am saying that it takes so much money and effort that it is not worth it IMHO. Sort of like taking a turd and having it plated with 24k gold. It's still a turd underneath.

[Soulburner]

I am not saying that Civics cannot made to be fast, I am saying that it takes so much money and effort that it is not worth it IMHO. Sort of like taking a turd and having it plated with 24k gold. It's still a turd underneath.
:rofl: :spill:

[ToxicBug]

True, but it cost him over $20k, and at the end of the day, he still has an econobox Civic.

He could have just gotten an Acura TL or G35 and had a card about as fast, but a hell of a lot nicer.

I am not saying that Civics cannot made to be fast, I am saying that it takes so much money and effort that it is not worth it IMHO. Sort of like taking a turd and having it plated with 24k gold. It's still a turd underneath.
His car is faster than an NSX on a 1/4 mile, why are you talking about a TL or a G35?

[Ampz]

256whp :slobber:

[SquireSCA]

His car is faster than an NSX on a 1/4 mile, why are you talking about a TL or a G35?

Because it is still a Honda Civic.

You can make a Yugo fast if you dump 25 grand into it, but at the end of the day you still have a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing Yugo. :-)

[Jamo]

thats a fast civic, to beat a 300zx like that and has some expensive parts on it but thats why i love jap cars, you can get so much for them even if the parts are slightly on the expensive side, i'd much rather have a civic than a G35 or similar - wolf in sheeps clothing anyone? btw there are alot faster civics out there pushing 400bhp+

[ToxicBug]

btw there are alot faster civics out there pushing 400bhp+
Those are turbocharged, this one is N/A.

[Soulburner]

I can make 400hp to the wheels for about 1000 bucks...how much does it cost to get a Civic to that point?

[Jamo]

I can make 400hp to the wheels for about 1000 bucks...how much does it cost to get a Civic to that point?

on what car? and i take it thats charged one way or the other

BTW: the fastest honda is Jason Hunt, Worlds Fastest Street Legal FWD Honda: 9.87 @ 148 MPH

[[XC] leviathan18]

it hink ppl make faster their honda cuz they love mechanics i know if you buy a 17k car and the spend 20k in engine sounds crazy you didnt go and bought a 350z or evo VIII with 37k well i think he likes to mod his cars

in some way is like us we buy a 3000 and oc it up to 3ghz with phase you spent 170$ on cpu and like 600 on phase why you didnt go with fx57 cuz we love to OC :D

[bullet2urbrain]

it hink ppl make faster their honda cuz they love mechanics i know if you buy a 17k car and the spend 20k in engine sounds crazy you didnt go and bought a 350z or evo VIII with 37k well i think he likes to mod his cars

in some way is like us we buy a 3000 and oc it up to 3ghz with phase you spent 170$ on cpu and like 600 on phase why you didnt go with fx57 cuz we love to OC :D
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well said... altho if you know where to get an FX57 for 770 let me know ;)

[an0nym0us]

Yes, but I am also pointing out that 256HP is nothing to be excited about. Go buy a new Nissan Altima and you get that much power out of a mid-level sedan. Also, you could hear that Acura hopping and losing tracking in the first two gears, which means the acceleration is not even as good as it could be.
actually guys, this is WHEEL horsepower. that's different from the inflated numbers that the manufacturers give you in the "car" magazine. go get a turbo & high performance mag. btw the t-blizzard video doesn't really have a 265hp vehicle in it. there's no way in hell that a motor with that compression ratio would yield those numbers. if you want to see a real all motor honda check out any of the inline racing videos (houston) and we'll show you how texas boys do it. 11.7's with a broken axle, 11 flat in a daily driven all motor full interior hatch, the list goes on.

[an0nym0us]

True, but it cost him over $20k, and at the end of the day, he still has an econobox Civic.

He could have just gotten an Acura TL or G35 and had a card about as fast, but a hell of a lot nicer.

I am not saying that Civics cannot made to be fast, I am saying that it takes so much money and effort that it is not worth it IMHO. Sort of like taking a turd and having it plated with 24k gold. It's still a turd underneath.
rofl, the miseducation of computer nerds when it comes to automobiles is staggering. a REAL 220 WHEEL HORSEPOWER civic can run high 11 second 1/4 miles. i'd like to see your G35/350Z/TL/** do that.

[an0nym0us]

I can make 400hp to the wheels for about 1000 bucks...how much does it cost to get a Civic to that point?
the point is... i don't need 400whp to get the times you do with the same power. i need about 190 to the wheels, want to test my theory? you spray to acheive 400whp and i'll spray to achieve 190-200 and we'll see who comes out on top. there are more factors than sheer horsepower & weight when it comes to real racing. i'd like to see your dated trans-am body outrun an N/A 200whp civic in a straight line, much less around the curves.

[SquireSCA]

rofl, the miseducation of computer nerds when it comes to automobiles is staggering. a REAL 220 WHEEL HORSEPOWER civic can run high 11 second 1/4 miles. i'd like to see your G35/350Z/TL/** do that.

Even if the tin can Civic is marginally faster at that HP, it is still a little iece of sht Civic, while the 350Z/G35 is a really nice ride.

One has style, one says RICER and WANNABE all over it.

[[XC] leviathan18]

Even if the tin can Civic is marginally faster at that HP, it is still a little iece of sht Civic, while the 350Z/G35 is a really nice ride.

One has style, one says RICER and WANNABE all over it.


yeah you will have you 350z and some guy with a vic will leave you in the dust that is just :stick:

[Soulburner]

the point is... i don't need 400whp to get the times you do with the same power. i need about 190 to the wheels, want to test my theory? you spray to acheive 400whp and i'll spray to achieve 190-200 and we'll see who comes out on top. there are more factors than sheer horsepower & weight when it comes to real racing. i'd like to see your dated trans-am body outrun an N/A 200whp civic in a straight line, much less around the curves.
Sad thing is I don't even need to spray to make 400...I don't even have nitrous on my car. It's rather effortless, really.

My car is down for the winter but I can tell you 400 to the wheels is all my "dated body" car needs to run in the 11s. There is a lot more to going fast than just horsepower, as you said yourself...and yeah, it can handle too.

[SquireSCA]

yeah you will have you 350z and some guy with a vic will leave you in the dust that is just :stick:

Amd my F4i will rip a the Civic as if it was standing still, so what's your point? I could strap a 180HP inline4 to a gocart and beat any car on the road, but who cares?

It is still an econobox. It is still a crappy little Civic. Well, they are not crap, they are solid little cars and reliable and all that, but they are entry level cars. Even if you staple lots of plastic to it and add some HP and make it fairly quick, you still have to drive down the road in it and be seen. When the ricer drives by, people laugh. When the G35 coupe or 350Z drives by, people look and say that that is one slick car.

And whatever you do to the the Civic's motor, you can do to the others.

I just think that if you are going to spend the money, why not just get the better car? Why take a Civic and dump 15 grand into it in an effort t make it as fast as the nicer car already is?

And if you want speed, just get a bike. For 9 grand you can have 0-60mph in under 3 seconds. Beat that in a Civic.

[an0nym0us]

Amd my F4i will rip a the Civic as if it was standing still, so what's your point? I could strap a 180HP inline4 to a gocart and beat any car on the road, but who cares?

It is still an econobox. It is still a crappy little Civic. Well, they are not crap, they are solid little cars and reliable and all that, but they are entry level cars. Even if you staple lots of plastic to it and add some HP and make it fairly quick, you still have to drive down the road in it and be seen. When the ricer drives by, people laugh. When the G35 coupe or 350Z drives by, people look and say that that is one slick car.

And whatever you do to the the Civic's motor, you can do to the others.

I just think that if you are going to spend the money, why not just get the better car? Why take a Civic and dump 15 grand into it in an effort t make it as fast as the nicer car already is?

And if you want speed, just get a bike. For 9 grand you can have 0-60mph in under 3 seconds. Beat that in a Civic.

oh.. you were finished... well allow me to retort.

who says you need to dump 15 grand into any civic motor to make it quick? i can build a SOLID 11 second civic (including the price of the car) for around 8 grand. chassis can be either EG (92-95 civic) EK/J/M (96-00 civic) or DC (94-01 integra) and all of them can pretty much be had for about the same price. now you can go jack off to the piss poor VQ35DE in the 350Z/G35 or you could try an RB/SR swap in order to make a quick car out of one of those boats. by the way don't even get me started on how poor those POSs handle, did someone say Toyota X-runner?

i've had experience with building muscle cars, imports and even quick trucks. i mean it really is just a pissing contest, just look at Parish's 10 second Chevy Silverado. the point is, some people actually like running these cars. who are you to tell them that their car is crap? case in point, i have a buddy that's a plastic surgeon.. he's got a :banana::banana::banana::banana:load of cars that are plenty fast (murcielagp, hennessey venom 1000R, Ford GT, twin-turbo NSX,) how come he's so interested in building a project integra and a project 240sx? they're "ricer" cars aren't they?

by the way you're comparing a honda civic to an F4i? you might as well toss a concorde and a cessna in the same comparison. any your comment about a pricier car being faster already? ha! check out the specs on the 350 and the G35 for your post again buddy.

[SquireSCA]

Again, you can make a gocart quick, it does not mean that I would ant to drive around in one. Ricers can be quick, but 90% of the ones you see on the road would get beaten by a stock Altima or V6 camry.

Occasionally one will actually be fast, but it's still a Civic, and that was my point. You could make a Yugo fast, but I would not drive it.

If I want speed, I jump on the bike.

[an0nym0us]

Again, you can make a gocart quick, it does not mean that I would ant to drive around in one. Ricers can be quick, but 90% of the ones you see on the road would get beaten by a stock Altima or V6 camry.

Occasionally one will actually be fast, but it's still a Civic, and that was my point. You could make a Yugo fast, but I would not drive it.

If I want speed, I jump on the bike.
again, you're totally missing the point of my post as you keep referring to your F4i, who gives a damn about your motorcycle? i used to own a 929RR, a 600RR and an R1, but i didn't try to run anything but bikes on those. i bet a navy pilot could walk up to me and ask me to run his tomcat, and i bet i'd lose on any of those bikes. who cares about what your bike can do? we're talking about CARS. i mean is it that hard to comprehend? i don't know what your native tongue is so i'll spell it out for you. voiture, auto, αυτοκίνητο, 車, 차, carro, автомобиль & coche.

[ToxicBug]

SquireSCA please stop posting, you are a moron.

[[XC] leviathan18]

lol dont get rude....

what we mean is ok you can spend 35k in a 350z and somebody buy and used civic plus 3k and you can the civic pushing 200hp to the wheels with a t3/t4 garrett @ 7~8 psi if you put more psi and change some internals you can have 220 230 whp that is a lot for a civic and if you further develop a stage II or stage III you will see how a civic leaves you eating dust... and perhaps he spent less than you and he goes faster....

if i buy a 350z and a civic beats me i will go to the delear and :stick: the car in his bottom

[SquireSCA]

lol dont get rude....

what we mean is ok you can spend 35k in a 350z and somebody buy and used civic plus 3k and you can the civic pushing 200hp to the wheels with a t3/t4 garrett @ 7~8 psi if you put more psi and change some internals you can have 220 230 whp that is a lot for a civic and if you further develop a stage II or stage III you will see how a civic leaves you eating dust... and perhaps he spent less than you and he goes faster....

if i buy a 350z and a civic beats me i will go to the delear and :stick: the car in his bottom

Well, I guess that to me a car is about more than speed. A piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana: can be made to go fast, but all you have is a fast piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana:. Does that make sense?

[[XC] leviathan18]

yeah i know...


here in venezuela is a old fiat tucan (stupid little car) and that thing has turbo nos and dont know what else it goes really fast but is crap of car i know but is fun to see how ppl with expensive cars lags behind him

[SquireSCA]

I guess that my biggest issue with ricers is that they are usually trying to take a Civic and make it something that it is not. When you buy a 2Ghz chip and overclock it, it is pretty much the same as a faster chip. A 2.8Ghz Athlon64 is the same as another, the difference is what settings it took to get it there.

But with a ricer, it just seems that other than a few exceptions, the owner wanted a sports car but couldn't afford it and so got the Civic and stapled plastic to it, added a big ghey wing and struts around like he has a new Porsche, and that stupid movei "Fast and the Furious" helped make that stupid trend even more trendy.

Now everyone thinks that they have a badass import, and 95% of them that I see make lots of noise and want to race and when it comes time, they do 0-60 in like 8 seconds. A stock buick Regal GS tears them a new one.

Yes, we can all say that we know some guy that actually has a fast one that is tastefully done, but they are few and far between. Most of them just look and sound totally gay and don't have what it takes under the hood.

I believe that with vehicles, buy the right car for the intended purpose. Don't buy a giant SUV and then lower it to the ground. GAY!

Don't buy a Civic and try to make it into a Porsche, cause it isn't. GAY!

I love coming up to a light and having some dork in a ricer want to race me. I get it all the time. I take off and back down and hold it at 45mph in first gear till they catch up and then hit the gas, and watch the front end come up as I leave them behind a second time. Why ricers seem to want to race against bikes I do not know.

And before anyone mentions that "well a car will take a bike in the turns", I read a magazine article a few months back where they put a modified 568HP Skyline GT-R AWD against a stock ZX6R, at the drag strip and also on the track.

The little 600 beat that car in both cases.

My point is that when I want to go fast, I buy the proper tool for the job. I don't one thing and then try to pretend it is something else.

[an0nym0us]

I guess that my biggest issue with ricers is that they are usually trying to take a Civic and make it something that it is not. When you buy a 2Ghz chip and overclock it, it is pretty much the same as a faster chip. A 2.8Ghz Athlon64 is the same as another, the difference is what settings it took to get it there.

But with a ricer, it just seems that other than a few exceptions, the owner wanted a sports car but couldn't afford it and so got the Civic and stapled plastic to it, added a big ghey wing and struts around like he has a new Porsche, and that stupid movei "Fast and the Furious" helped make that stupid trend even more trendy.

Now everyone thinks that they have a badass import, and 95% of them that I see make lots of noise and want to race and when it comes time, they do 0-60 in like 8 seconds. A stock buick Regal GS tears them a new one.

Yes, we can all say that we know some guy that actually has a fast one that is tastefully done, but they are few and far between. Most of them just look and sound totally gay and don't have what it takes under the hood.

I believe that with vehicles, buy the right car for the intended purpose. Don't buy a giant SUV and then lower it to the ground. GAY!

Don't buy a Civic and try to make it into a Porsche, cause it isn't. GAY!

I love coming up to a light and having some dork in a ricer want to race me. I get it all the time. I take off and back down and hold it at 45mph in first gear till they catch up and then hit the gas, and watch the front end come up as I leave them behind a second time. Why ricers seem to want to race against bikes I do not know.

And before anyone mentions that "well a car will take a bike in the turns", I read a magazine article a few months back where they put a modified 568HP Skyline GT-R AWD against a stock ZX6R, at the drag strip and also on the track.

The little 600 beat that car in both cases.

My point is that when I want to go fast, I buy the proper tool for the job. I don't one thing and then try to pretend it is something else.
and i love pulling up to lights next to guys with your mindset. also, to add to your bike vs car argument, the hennessey venom was beat by some run of the mill bike back in the day in car & driver. that just shows that you're comparing apples to oranges man. who the hell cares if your bike is quicker than a car? it's a purpose built machine with race inspired parts in it. now don't get me wrong i'd love a C6 ZO6, Porsche GT2, etc etc. but i can't see a college student like me actually buying one of those. i don't know what silver spoon feeds you but i'm broke and i stick to what i know. next time you get a chance to drop a transmission outside in the dorm parking lot with no lifts or power tools, let me know. us IMPORT guys despise ricer homos, but the ones like me do it for the love of the sport. i'm hoping for a K-series swapped car pretty soon here that will pull 1g< on the skid pad and be able to run a solid 12 all motor. (this has been done with INTERNALLY STOCK honda motors)

[SquireSCA]

Well, the ricers, who make up the overwhelming majority of your "sport" give you few guys a bad rep. The problem is that so many of them just look so damned ghey. Hispanic guys with the asian letters all over the car, as if they actually knew what they meant.

I have seen a few Accords that were fast and were tastefully done. That's my biggest issue with them. The average ricer wants the car to look like an exotic sports car, but does not have the money, creativity or talent to pull it off. So they put a big wing ont he back, which does NOTHING for a front wheel drive car. That car will never go fast enough to get any benefit from that wing, and if they did, the wing is just attached to the trunk lid with 6 sheet metal screws, so any decent down force would just crush that aluminum can trunk lid.

Also, can't one just get a Dodge Neon that has 230HP out of the box?

I hate what "2F2F" has done to the car industry, just as what the movie "Biker Boys" did to the bike world. Bunch of posers chroming out their frames and extending swingarms and all sorts of flashy bling crap and that bike will never once see a track or dragstrip.

I can admire a nice import that is properly done, but the fact of the matter is that those tyoes are so few and far between that you rarely remember seeing one.

[an0nym0us]

point taken, but prodrive, cwest and mugen produce spoilers that provide stability over 55mph (this is why older porsche's spoilers rise at 55mph) all of these spoilers are wind tunnel tested. i can agree that huge aggressive body kits are retarded looking and park bench aluminum spoilers are stupid as well.

[SquireSCA]

point taken, but prodrive, cwest and mugen produce spoilers that provide stability over 55mph (this is why older porsche's spoilers rise at 55mph) all of these spoilers are wind tunnel tested. i can agree that huge aggressive body kits are retarded looking and park bench aluminum spoilers are stupid as well.

But the Porsche is RWD, not front. And again, if that wing were to actually push down with enough force to make a real difference, it would be bending the trunk lid.

Maybe it is just that I am in my early 30's, and so the G35 Coupe or 350Z just appeals to me more. They are certainly fast and fun to drive, yet they are classy and stylish and all that as well.

But the ricer thing is just so irritating. People trying to pose and pretend that they are something that they are not. I laugh when I see them, just as I would when I see a lowered SUV or a 1984 Oldsmobile with 24" spinners.

Gay x 2.

[[XC] leviathan18]

you bash ricers that is ok.... is stupid to buy body kits wings and neons if you dont start with the most important part of the car the engine... with a d17 vtec the one used in the civic 2005 ex 125hp stock you can buy a turbo kit and make that engine 200whp with manual transmission 200whp for a civic is nice.

now if you add that to a k20z3 the engine used by the civic si 200hp stock i think you can make near 275whp.

and then you can buy body kits neons and wing and have your import tunning car

[SquireSCA]

What happens when I add a turbo to a 350Z?

I have seen some fairly cheap mods that get the Z up to 400HP real quick.

[[XC] leviathan18]

yeah you can add a turbo to the 350z but you need more money to buy a 350z+turbo than civic+turbo as i said is like a venice 3000 with phase change and fx57 with phase change some can afford the venice others the fx57